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Or the highest, most nasal, "I will not suffer a rival, even an unwitting one! SNEEEE"

Seriously, his fake archdemon dragon was more terrifying that he was. And that thing didn't even HAVE lines.

I was so disappointed that the freaking ARCHDEMON got glossed over. Lol, it's just his healbot nothin' to it. Like, where are his armies of darkspawn on top of his archdemon???


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Solas art time. :)

 

This is so pretty!

 

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Source: http://da-vhenan.tum...-elves-in-their

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Solas and Agent 47. xD

 

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I love back to the future starring me and Dorian x100000

 
Lavellan: Wait a minute, Dorian. What are you talking about? What happens to us in the future? Do we become assholes or something?
Dorian: No, no, no, no, no, Inquisitor, both you and Solas turn out fine. It's your kids, something has got to be done about your kids!
 
Is there anyone at all opposed to this DLC?
 
 
Also if anyone wants to draw Dorian in Doc's Back To The Future Part II getup that would be magnificent. Lizasaurus, I know how fast you can make good work happen.
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I was so disappointed that the freaking ARCHDEMON got glossed over. Lol, it's just his healbot nothin' to it. Like, where are his armies of darkspawn on top of his archdemon???

 

It was just a blighted dragon, not an actual archdemon.  But I do wonder why he didn't use darkspawn...  Why bother with all the demony stuff when he could command darkspawn?



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It was just a blighted dragon, not an actual archdemon.  But I do wonder why he didn't use darkspawn...  Why bother with all the demony stuff when he could command darkspawn?

 

...darkspawn aren't as pretty?  :P


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...darkspawn aren't as pretty?  :P

 

It crossed my mind, it did. :lol:



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****** poor motivations for reasons that were not explained.

Because....

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NOW I'm going to have to watch Shakespeare in Love again... Dangit, guys!

1. I love that movie :D

 

2. It looks like things are starting to come full circle in Thedas. Red lyrim is blighted, and spreading. Some zany **** is going down in Weisshaupt. The HoF is off doing their warden-y thing. Everything seems to be moving west (towards Weisshaupt?). Blighted magisters have been popping up like weeds this age. I really hope that the focus is moving back towards wardens/blight, because although the mage/templar dilemma IS important, it's not a potential world-ending apocalypse just waiting to happen. 

 

A lot of the decisions you make have super far reaching consequences for the rest of thedas, but whether or not to banish the grey wardens is the one that feels the most dire to me. Especially now that we know that red lyrium is blighted. 



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I sure do!

I have heard it is frowned upon in some circles, which I simply cannot understand. How else can you understand things if not studying them? If in art school you have models who pose for artists, the same process happens when referencing.

I encourage using references, be it for a pose, or for a color palette, or a background, if you are in doubt.

Eventually things will become easier because you start understanding how things work together and muscle memory comes into play. 

Anatomy study I found is particularly helpful and warm-up sessions before taking on a larger piece. But each person has their own work-flow, so you just gotta do what works best for you.

 

Lol, long rant. I get excited talking about painting and stuff.

 

SHORT ANSWER:  I DOOOOOOOOOO

 

 

YES, SO MUCH THIS.

How in the hell and why would it be considered cheating? Art in so many forms has been all about observing the outside world and the artists view of it...BY OBSERVING. I cannot, for the life of me, understand those who say referencing is something wrong. The idea in your head must be anchored (heh, anchored pfft. Solas, where are you for this discussion? :D) to a real life subject, so it is recognizable for the viewer (I hope I'm making myself understood here, maybe it doesn't translate all that well into english).

So naturally we turn to references (be it a picture or a model) to put that idea to paper.

And also yes, it does make you a better artist because you grow from it. Just as much as you do from practicing every day and studying color theory , or anatomy, etc. It is all connected.

You might have also heard that most, if not all known artists use references. It is a natural thing.

 

 

Never feel bad about using art reference! In college, we actually had to include references in our final design packets. Not including them was bad. Sometimes I would draw things without a reference, and need to find a reference just to make it into the design packet. 

 

There are some people who can just draw completely from memory. That is a unique talent. Expecting everyone to be able to do that is like asking why people need glasses to drive when their eyes work just fine.

 

I always shoot reference of hands. Damn things. 

 

I've read once, that an artist is capable of drawing from imagination only if his visual library is emormously rich. Takes years and years of study and practice.

Did someone say Abelas to the rescue? :D

 

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Oh my, I love you! Gonna erect a shrine for you, right next to Liz's  :wub:

 

And here's a little something. It's just a feature study, aiming for that kicked puppy look Solas displays during his last romance cutscene.

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http://vierrae.devia...-Look-510718006


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And here's a little something. It's just a feature study, aiming for that kicked puppy look Solas displays during his last romance cutscene.

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http://vierrae.devia...-Look-510718006

 

Noooo, I am helpless in the face of the kicked puppy look.  My Lavellan has more self-respect than I do when it comes to Solas.  He could look at me like that after torching an orphanage, and I'd be like, "Yeah, those orphans had it coming.  Time for Fade-tongue!"



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It was just a blighted dragon, not an actual archdemon.  But I do wonder why he didn't use darkspawn...  Why bother with all the demony stuff when he could command darkspawn?

 

That thought struck me, too. Is it actually confirmed that he *can* command darkspawn? Or is he like a... I dunno, reverse archdemon that way? Archdemons can hear Wardens but can't control them, despite taint. Cory can maybe sense darkspawn (I still maintain that this is why Felix's caravan was "passing thru" an area that ended up with them being attacked and him tainted) but not directly control them? Maybe only archdemons are that powerful. A darkspawn army certainly would have been useful to him if he *was* able to have one.



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That thought struck me, too. Is it actually confirmed that he *can* command darkspawn? Or is he like a... I dunno, reverse archdemon that way? Archdemons can hear Wardens but can't control them, despite taint. Cory can maybe sense darkspawn (I still maintain that this is why Felix's caravan was "passing thru" an area that ended up with them being attacked and him tainted) but not directly control them? Maybe only archdemons are that powerful. A darkspawn army certainly would have been useful to him if he *was* able to have one.

 

I recall there was a codex, from Legacy, I think, about Grey Warden reports from the First Blight of talking mage darkspawn that could command other darkspawn.  The assumption is that they were magisters like Corypheus.  The imprisonment of Corypheus himself resulted from the effort of the Grey Wardens to capture and study one of those darkspawn.  The weird thing about Corypheus is that he can regenerate by bodyjumping into a Grey Warden, which an Archdemon can't do.  They can regenerate from a darkspawn, but if they attempt to jump into a Grey Warden they'll have their soul obliterated and fail.  That's the whole reason only a Grey Warden can kill an Archdemon.  Corypheus in comparison should be almost unkillable.  (I'm still not certain if Quizzy actually killed him or simply banished him into the Fade.)

 

edit: Found it.

 

http://dragonage.wik..._to_the_Wardens

 

All we hear is that this is one of the great Grey Warden secrets. "It must be protected at all costs." As usual, we're most concerned with deceiving our own people. But why hide that the Deep Roads were shaped not only by the dwarves but also by us?

 

I found records dating back to 1004 TE, the wake of the First Blight. Early Wardens discovered that some darkspawn could think and speak and commanded portions of the horde even after the Archdemon's death. A few could wield magic with the skill of a Tevinter magister, and the Wardens greatly feared them.

 

It was here, in the Vimmark Mountains, that Warden Sashamiri set her trap to capture and study the greatest of these creatures, the one whom they called Corypheus.

 

—From Janeka's research notes

 



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(I'm still not certain if Quizzy actually killed him or simply banished him into the Fade.)

 

Ever since I've finished the game and seen the end of Corypheus, I've been half afraid that the Inquisitor, in a moment of snarky Take That! dailogue, actually gave Corypheus exactly what he wanted. He's in the Fade now, physically. Albeit, it is likely in very small pieces, but still.

 

What if the process didn't kill him?

 

Even better, what if you left a Warden in the Fade to fight the Nightmare? And the "will likely die" bit turns out to not have been likely enough. Cory now has a ready, physical host in the Fade.

 

Maybe this isn't the last we've seen of him.


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I recall there was a codex, from Legacy, I think, about Grey Warden reports from the First Blight of talking mage darkspawn that could command other darkspawn.  The assumption is that they were magisters like Corypheus.  The imprisonment of Corypheus himself resulted from the effort of the Grey Wardens to capture and study one of those darkspawn.  The weird thing about Corypheus is that he can regenerate by bodyjumping into a Grey Warden, which an Archdemon can't do.  They can regenerate from a darkspawn, but if they attempt to jump into a Grey Warden they'll have their soul obliterated and fail.  That's the whole reason only a Grey Warden can kill an Archdemon.  Corypheus in comparison should be almost unkillable.  (I'm still not certain if Quizzy actually killed him or simply banished him into the Fade.)

 

edit: Found it.

 

http://dragonage.wik..._to_the_Wardens

 

Maybe it's because the magisters were human once and still have traces of that, so Grey Wardens don't reject their souls outright the way they do Archdemons'?


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Ever since I've finished the game and seen the end of Corypheus, I've been half afraid that the Inquisitor, in a moment of snarky Take That! dailogue, actually gave Corypheus exactly what he wanted. He's in the Fade now, physically. Albeit, it is likely in very small pieces, but still.

 

What if the process didn't kill him?

 

I dunno.  If he's in tiny little pieces but still conscious and unable to do anything about it, I'd be happy with that as a karmic ending.  You wanted immortality, you wanted to be physically in the Fade.  HAVE FUN, SUCKER.



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Ever since I've finished the game and seen the end of Corypheus, I've been half afraid that the Inquisitor, in a moment of snarky Take That! dailogue, actually gave Corypheus exactly what he wanted. He's in the Fade now, physically. Albeit, it is likely in very small pieces, but still.

 

What if the process didn't kill him?

 

Even better, what if you left a Warden in the Fade to fight the Nightmare? And the "will likely die" bit turns out to not have been likely enough. Cory now has a ready, physical host in the Fade.

 

Maybe this isn't the last we've seen of him.

 

Yeah, I dunno.  Maybe being ripped to bits in the Fade means he can't regenerate because there isn't a host.  But it's probably along the lines of "dead until the writers decide they want to do something with him again". :P



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Maybe it's because the magisters were human once and still have traces of that, so Grey Wardens don't reject their souls outright the way they do Archdemons'?

 

Maybe...  Another thing it reminds me of, is the thing about how possession can never be forced on the unwilling.  If the Joining could be seen as a form of willingly sharing of a collective soulbond...  I...  Still not sure what to think.  The magisters are probably more like the Grey Wardens in theory, but the Wardens still drink Archdemon blood in the Joining.  *holds head* 



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Maybe...  Another thing it reminds me of, is the thing about how possession can never be forced on the unwilling.  If the Joining could be seen as a form of willingly sharing of a collective soulbond...  I...  Still not sure what to think.  The magisters are probably more like the Grey Wardens in theory, but the Wardens still drink Archdemon blood in the Joining.  *holds head* 

Maybe the taint takes "willingness" part and decides for itself? Like "sure, Cory, go ahead with that posession thing"



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You know, random thought: I wonder how Solas and Dagna would get along? I don't know why, but I think it would be adorable. Or maybe she'd figure him out and he'd avoid her. XD



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Maybe the taint takes "willingness" part and decides for itself? Like "sure, Cory, go ahead with that posession thing"

 

The only thing that trips me up is that it doesn't work for the Archdemons the same way when it comes to Grey Wardens.  There is the difference that Corypheus can control the minds of Grey Wardens (or at least the mages), and that likely plays a big role.  He does keep mage Wardens around him at all times for obvious reasons.  Hmm...  Okay, so maybe the difference there is that the Archdemon can't potentially control a Grey Warden's mind until their taint becomes ghoul levels, while Cory doesn't have to wait that long.  I wonder if the answer is as simple as blood magic.  Might also explain why he has such a demon preference.  Blood magic is also the general explanation for how Kieran and the Old God soul were co-existing.



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You know, random thought: I wonder how Solas and Dagna would get along? I don't know why, but I think it would be adorable. Or maybe she'd figure him out and he'd avoid her. XD

 

If there was a time when dwarves could use magic, and Solas remembers, I bet he'd get a kick out of her.


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You know, random thought: I wonder how Solas and Dagna would get along? I don't know why, but I think it would be adorable. Or maybe she'd figure him out and he'd avoid her. XD

 

It's actually one of my headcanons for my Lavellan that Skyhold has an Arcane club consisting of the Inquisitor, Solas, Dagna, Dorian, Cole, (anybody else welcome, but mostly people are too terrified or awed to attend) who meet up every week in that creepy basement library just to geek out over magic.


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The only thing that trips me up is that it doesn't work for the Archdemons the same way when it comes to Grey Wardens.  There is the difference that Corypheus can control the minds of Grey Wardens (or at least the mages), and that likely plays a big role.  He does keep mage Wardens around him at all times for obvious reasons.  Hmm...  Okay, so maybe the difference there is that the Archdemon can't potentially control a Grey Warden's mind until their taint becomes ghoul levels, while Cory doesn't have to wait that long.  I wonder if the answer is as simple as blood magic.  Might also explain why he has such a demon preference.  Blood magic is also the general explanation for how Kieran and the Old God soul were co-existing.

 

But isn't the Joining also blood magic?

 

GAH i dunno



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But isn't the Joining also blood magic?

 

GAH i dunno

 

It might be all wrapped up in the technicalities of blood magic.  But I dunno either. :lol:



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Unrelated question; when you're first talking to Solas as an elf and you both get a bit defensive about Elven culture, you have the option to say something along the lines of "if my people have wronged you I would correct that" or something to that effect, but you say something in Elven first. Do we know what it translates to?

I've looked at the Wiki and it doesn't seem to mention that phrase at all.


Also he kind of corrects the Herald's pronunciation.