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[Janic99]

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[Colonelkillabee]

 

Again sorry if this was discussed from every angle and I'm repeating someone else's arguments, but:

 

I think Cory uses some different type of Blight. Don't know how to explain it well (will you help me with a chart, Avejajed ?) but I'll try: I think there are 2 types of Blight and the difference is on their point of initial reference which results in their impact.

 

1) Coming straight from the corrupted Old Gods. We know little of it's origins, but this is the one tainting people into darkspawn, is carried by red lyrium, has it's own eternal "song" etc. Let's say a mystical disease, spreading (coming back to my analogy) like a mold/fungus, with Archdemon being the heart/soul/brain of all affected creatures. Let's call it Big Blight.

 

2) The one which Corypheus is using which in raw material is the same, but referencing to a different source which is Corypheus and his magic. I think Cory could somehow extrapolate some of the initial "Blight's mold" (like a researcher trying to neutralize a poison with another poison, if you understand my comparison) and create a mini-blight of his own. This is why he has power of changing bodies, he's able to produce a "song" the Grey Wardens hear, but the difference with the Big Blight is that he's being this mini-blight "archdemon". Cory's mini-blight though (as he's not a god) has limited influence, thus his dragon is a "tainted dragon" and not the freaking Archdemon, he's not commanding darkspawn, but needs to seek other allies or servants etc.

 

Does this make sense?

 

 

 

I do think that there are different rules applied to the taint, depending on the source. Coryflora obviously got some really good **** directly from the black city. Like real good Pineapple Express/Ivory ****.

 

While the old gods usually have to suffice with a more watered down version of it. Less potent, some dog hair's mixed in, maybe a little grass, you know what I'm talking about, lol.

 

And then there's red lyrium, and I don't know what the **** this stuff is but I'm pretty sure it's not all what it claims to be. 0/10 will not mess with again.

 

I had fun with this analogy, lolol.

[RoyalRel]

OK so here's a question, which of these doll heads do you think most resembles the shape of Solas' head?

 

http://shop.fashiond..._1061_1180_1194

 

I would say this one, as far as facial structure goes. The nose is a little off , but not very noticeable.

[Pinax]

What happens?

So, I was noticing in Here Lies the Abyss that Corypheus extends the orb out towards the Divine, and then it starts to suck out her life essence or whatever. I hope that's not how it was originally used, like maybe how Fen'Harel got his power in the first place.

Look at the spoiler section of my post

 

Re. the 2nd part: I think (HOPE) not too. I think Cory's ritual was some blood magic and Solas says he does not practice such magic (in Cole's "bind me" mission), even if he has nothing against it.

[MaidenM]

Is the drawing chat on tonight?

[Rabbitonfire]

Is the drawing chat on tonight?

Yep! starts at 4pm EST, and expected to last all night 

[hellozombie]

Just popping in to post a new solas x lavellan song...popped up in my shuffle today and I was like whooo and there go my tears. About halfway through it really kicks in for a nice feely beat.

 

Lyrics:

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Let me down gently

That's what I think I need

But when you let me down gently

It still feels hard, hard

 

Turn me into someone good

That's what I really need

Tell me that I'm someone good

So we're not so far apart, apart

I hope it doesn't seem like I'm young, foolish and green

Let me in for a minute

You're not my life but I want you in it

 

Set me up slowly

That's what you do to me

Oh you set me up slowly 

Now I can't come down, down

 

Let you down gently

That's what I think you need

But when I let you down you're empty

And you try to hide your frowns, frowns

I hope it doesn't seem like I'm young, foolish and green

Let me in for a minute

You're not my life but I want you in it

 

And I hope it's sinking in 

That behind your perfect skin

There's a part of you that's free

And I know that there's a place for me

 

Let me down gently

That's what I think I need

But when you let me down gently

It still feels hard, hard

Turn me into someone good

That's what I really need

Tell me that I'm someone good

So we're not so far apart, apart

 

I hope it doesn't seem like I'm young foolish and green

Let me in for a minute

You're not my life but I want you in it

 

And I hope it's sinking in

That behind your perfect skin

There's a part of you that's free

And I know that there's a place for me

 

I've been following along the thread these past weeks but I've banned myself from playing the game until at least the first DLC...I didn't want to burn myself out and it was getting close...it's really hard to not play it, but I've been filling the void with Sunset Overdrive (yes my character looks like my Lavellan, I mean, what, IF YOU GIVE ME ELF EARS I WILL USE THEM) and smutty fanfiction. just can't handle that sucking feeling of needing closure on this story, it pulls on my heart and it hurts man, so I'm staying away for now. I got that closure with the Cullenmance and as a result I never think on that playthrough, but Solas man, stupid jerk eggface still killin' me. But man I hope this thread lives forever because it's super awesome just to read along even if I never have anything of substance to contribute.

[Solas]

Yep! starts at 4pm EST, and expected to last all night 

begins nine pm my time then if my calculations are correct. I'll try drop in

 

also lol I always enjoy the reactions it garners whenever I change the thread title

[Pinax]

I am not sure I understand....

So, first I'll say what I think/know and then try to word my questions:

 

An archdemon is a dragon that harbors the sould of an old god. The dragon can die, the soul does not. If the dragon is slain, the soul will hop to another body. However, for the OGS soul to be able to "live" inside a vessel (dragon or whatever) that body needs to be tainted by the Blight. I assume they use dragons because they are strong and stuff.

I very much compare this to Lord Voldemort's approach (only without the Blight).

 

The OGS emits the Song - for reasons unknown, but I strongly assume it means to call all its "slaves" to assemble. At least that's why I think it is called "The Calling". Gather my workers around me to assemble and army or something along these lines.

 

That corrupted dragon of Corypheus is a tainted dragon but it does not carry an OGS. Corypheus himself is a powerful magister, who happens to also be tainted. He does not seem to respond to the Calling like the dumber foot soldiers do, maybe because he is very powerful himself and his inner defenses work better. But, still, he is also corrupted, only he still managed to keep more of his original self. Therefore he does what a good Darkspawn does only he is not aware of this himself and believes he is actually doing all of this of his own accord. And so his own plans are mixed/interwoven with whatever the Calling does to tainted creatures. Since he cannot control Darkspawn, due to only being one of them (as you mentioned), he must find other ways of getting his army together.

 

So... this is what I think... somehow, I have not actually thought all of it through in detail.

 

Now, what exactly do you mean when you say that there's two Blights? That Corypheus created a sort of branch? A copycat of the Blight? I am not sure what to think of that because he seemed honestly not to understand what he actually is (when Hawke met him in DA2). He still thought himself the powerful magister. I assume he is not aware that he is tainted.

 

I appreciate it's frustrating trying to built up some sense and theory based on scratches dropped off to players in codex entries, conversations, banter talks in DA games, but I'm trying. The 2nd frustration is my feeling that BW does not take their own lores so seriously, given how easily they shape shift their stories in their games (ME as a big example and I'm not going further into the topic).

 

Anyway, I am trying to get some sense from Cory's words that "blight is just a tool" and he literally uses it as such, but definitely is not able to "unlock" it's full potential. Maybe the difference is on the OGS... But generally this is why I think that Cory has it's own version of the blight, being different than the Archdemon's one.

 

What I don't understand though is that... Blight starts when the darkspawn find an OG and taint him, this is how it becomes the archdemon, but what drives the darkspawn to search for OG? Because they need someone to unify them to bring the destruction to the world...? But they seem already quite unified in their quest to find the OG. Because they need a powerful ally/leader? But then... what for? To make the OG rule the world for them?

 

This all makes me think that the blight has some purpose of it's own, that in fact it's much more than "just a tool" to command darkspawn and corrupt the world, but something... like it's own entity and only fools, like Cory, decide to play with it for their own reasons?

 

I think the DA world is driven by some dichotomy which is represented best by lyrium-red lyrium opposition, and blight is a part of this dichotomy. Let me review/re-read what I can find on the blight's origins, re-think it (probably draw a chart ) and maybe come up with some more developed theory.

[Colonelkillabee]

 

This all makes me think that the blight has some purpose of it's own, that in fact it's much more than "just a tool" to command darkspawn and corrupt the world, but something... like it's own entity and only fools, like Cory, decide to play with it for their own reasons?

Yep, I agree. It has its own consciousness. I think it's a hivemind that the old gods were apart of. Or are.

 

Corypheus wanted to serve the gods "in the flesh" right? Wish granted.

[Siha]

I appreciate it's frustrating trying to built up some sense and theory based on scratches dropped off to players in codex entries, conversations, banter talks in DA games, but I'm trying. The 2nd frustration is my feeling that BW does not take their own lores so seriously, given how easily they shape shift their stories in their games (ME as a big example and I'm not going further into the topic).

 

Anyway, I am trying to get some sense from Cory's words that "blight is just a tool" and he literally uses it as such, but definitely is not able to "unlock" it's full potential. Maybe the difference is on the OGS... But generally this is why I think that Cory has it's own version of the blight, being different than the Archdemon's one.

 

What I don't understand though is that... Blight starts when the darkspawn find an OG and taint him, this is how it becomes the archdemon, but what drives the darkspawn to search for OG? Because they need someone to unify them to bring the destruction to the world...? But they seem already quite unified in their quest to find the OG. Because they need a powerful ally/leader? But then... what for? To make the OG rule the world for them?

 

This all makes me think that the blight has some purpose of it's own, that in fact it's much more than "just a tool" to command darkspawn and corrupt the world, but something... like it's own entity and only fools, like Cory, decide to play with it for their own reasons?

 

I think the DA world is driven by some dichotomy which is represented best by lyrium-red lyrium opposition, and blight is a part of this dichotomy. Let me review/re-read what I can find on the blight's origins, re-think it (probably draw a chart ) and maybe come up with some more developed theory.

I absolutely agree about the inconsistency. Hence I do not cling to every single sentence ever said, because BW often just changes lore and I understand that. Sometimes something does not work out (anymore) and so you drop it. As a long time comic book fan I have seen it all come and go.

 

I think something can be "a tool" without having created it yourself. I see, let's say, racism and understand that I can use the people's fear of strangers to make them follow me. Maybe I don't even believe that any race is worth less than another. But if I hunger for power and I understand how much power you can get by feeding off the fear of others, how you can use it to make them follow your orders, than I might use rasist theories and terminology to achieve my goals. So I think it is possible to use the Blight as a tool (knowing it makes Darkspawn unite) without being able to create the taint.

 

My asusmption is that the OGS emits the Song, which attracts Darkspawn, i.e., makes them look for the OG in the first place. I assume the OGS can sing even without having found its vessel (a tainted dragon) already. I am not sure the Darkspawn themselves taint the OGS in the first place. But even if so, it might take only one Darkspawn to do that and once the soul is tainted, the others follow the Calling (Song). Or the OGS sings either way, tainted or not, and the Darkspawn are attracted to this Song and find it this way. Maybe the nature of the Song changes once the OGS is corrupted by the taint, I am not sure but it's possible.

 

I do not assume the Darkspawn have a motive. They are pretty much mindless cattle. They remind me of insects that gather to swarms but the internal motivation does not go beyond just doing that. Like a force of nature. Maybe an intrinsic desire for strength in numbers. Or they are just driven by the Song and cannot but obey.

 

I assume, as you do, that the Blight is something of its own and is connected to the Song, uses it. The Darkspawn just follow the Song, assemble, build the army needed to---- this we don't know yet.

And Corypheus is very arrogant, he is not aware of what he really is, he sees himself in a much better position. I suppose he is also (partially?) controlled by the Blight but does not understand that. He realizes how the Blight has power and thinks he can use that power to achieve his goals, without being aware that the Blight is stronger than him.

 

Anyway, I don't know either, it's just the theory I base my POW on.

[Colonelkillabee]

If the old gods want to be tainted and wish to fully unlock what is in the black city, then Corypheus is doing exactly what they originally intended when whispering to the magisters. So I bet he is indeed effected by the blight on some level. His control is different though. Reminds me of indoctrination. His grip is not as tight so that he can serve better. He's more intelligent, more useful.

[dragondreamer]

 

Again sorry if this was discussed from every angle and I'm repeating someone else's arguments, but:

 

I think Cory uses some different type of Blight. Don't know how to explain it well (will you help me with a chart, Avejajed ?) but I'll try: I think there are 2 types of Blight and the difference is on their point of initial reference which results in their impact.

 

1) Coming straight from the corrupted Old Gods. We know little of it's origins, but this is the one tainting people into darkspawn, is carried by red lyrium, has it's own eternal "song" etc. Let's say a mystical disease, spreading (coming back to my analogy) like a mold/fungus, with Archdemon being the heart/soul/brain of all affected creatures. Let's call it Big Blight.

 

2) The one which Corypheus is using which in raw material is the same, but referencing to a different source which is Corypheus and his magic. I think Cory could somehow extrapolate some of the initial "Blight's mold" (like a researcher trying to neutralize a poison with another poison, if you understand my comparison) and create a mini-blight of his own. This is why he has power of changing bodies, he's able to produce a "song" the Grey Wardens hear, but the difference with the Big Blight is that he's being this mini-blight "archdemon". Cory's mini-blight though (as he's not a god) has limited influence, thus his dragon is a "tainted dragon" and not the freaking Archdemon, he's not commanding darkspawn, but needs to seek other allies or servants etc.

 

Does this make sense?

 

 

 

Yes, though there's codex evidence that he could control darkspawn.  I don't really see it as a different Blight exactly as much as different vectors.  I think whatever Corypheus was exposed to in the Black City more or less made him something like a mini-Archdemon.  (He wanted to be like a god, well, careful what you wish for...although I believe he's still serving the Old Gods whether he knows it or not.)  But there's still some odd things going on there, even if you were to consider Corypheus' Blight to be something different, considering that Grey Wardens' taint comes from darkspawn and Archdemon blood. 

 

At this point, I'm just kinda going with the idea that he's probably using blood magic through his Blight connection to prey on Grey Wardens.  Mage Wardens may be extra susceptible due to their link to the Fade.  Using a demon army may be preferable to him, because despite the fact that he's terrible, I believe he really thinks that his becoming a god is the best thing for Thedas.  And in his view, a demon army is something he can reasonably negotiate, but an army of darkspawn, even under his control will still be destructive and taint everything.  Of course, spreading red lyrium does the same thing, but maybe he doesn't realize or is willingly blind to the dangers because the Red Templars are still mostly intelligent and he may see them as a lesser evil.

 

But I think his ability to move into other bodies and self regenerate was disabled once his dragon was killed? That was the whole idea behind killing the dragon which was the One Ring ( ), after all?

 

Apparently...?  I've only done one complete playthrough so far, and taking my time with my second, so I don't remember exactly.  The business with the dragon was fuzzy, I got the impression that there was simply a problem with fighting Corypheus *and* his dragon at once, so we needed a Team Inquisition dragon to even the playing field.  But you folks are saying it and the wiki is saying it, so I'll take your word for it.  If so, I don't quite know what to make of that, since that would make Corypheus decidedly different from an Archdemon as we know it.  It also brings up the question of when he acquired the dragon, since he was apparently very confused after he left the Black City until Hawke encountered him.  And if the dragon is responsible for his regeneration skill, he would have needed to have it prior to being freed from the prison in the Vimmarks.  Is there an explanation for why Cory needs the dragon to regenerate?  Does it have the horcrux thing going on?

[RoyalRel]

Finished a commission for resoan over at tumblr, huzzah!

 

 

This is actually done for a lovely fic of hers, called "The Storm", which you can read here.

 

Yay, one down, a gazillion more to go, lol. Also, my hands are killing me.

[Colonelkillabee]

Apparently...?  I've only done one complete playthrough so far, and taking my time with my second, so I don't remember exactly.  The business with the dragon was fuzzy, I got the impression that there was simply a problem with fighting Corypheus *and* his dragon at once, so we needed a Team Inquisition dragon to even the playing field.  But you folks are saying it and the wiki is saying it, so I'll take your word for it.  If so, I don't quite know what to make of that, since that would make Corypheus decidedly different from an Archdemon as we know it.  It also brings up the question of when he acquired the dragon, since he was apparently very confused after he left the Black City until Hawke encountered him.  And if the dragon is responsible for his regeneration skill, he would have needed to have it prior to being freed from the prison in the Vimmarks.  Is there an explanation for why Cory needs the dragon to regenerate?  Does it have the horcrux thing going on?

 

It sounded to me like him "giving of himself" to the dragon made the dragon his weakness, but that would be incredibly stupid of him, unless he just assumed no one could ever kill a red lyrium tainted dragon. Which to be fair... is a good assumption normally.

 

But what I think happened is that Corypheus could only jump bodies when a tainted being was in a certain range, and when he made this dragon his foci, it enhanced that ability and eliminated range all together.

[RoyalRel]

Yep! starts at 4pm EST, and expected to last all night 

 

Hmm, I think that's about 11 PM here. I'll be off in about an hour or so for a birthday party.

I should be able catch it since the event lasts all night, yay!

[Colonelkillabee]

It sounded to me like him "giving of himself" to the dragon made the dragon his weakness, but that would be incredibly stupid of him, unless he just assumed no one could ever kill a red lyrium tainted dragon. Which to be fair... is a good assumption normally.

 

But what I think happened is that Corypheus could only jump bodies when a tainted being was in a certain range, and when he made this dragon his foci, it enhanced that ability and eliminated range all together.

LOL now that I think about it, it's like the dragon is his cellphone tower, or satellite

[NightSymphony]

I think I shared this one before...but check out her other art.  She is awesome!!

 

http://olivegbg.devi...rt.com/gallery/

[Aetheria]

 

LOL now that I think about it, it's like the dragon is his cellphone tower, or satellite 

 

*Morrigan takes down dragon*

 

Inquisitor: How many bars do you have NOW, Cory? Huh? Huh?

 

Corypheus: Dammit! I should have battled somewhere with better reception!

[Colonelkillabee]

 

 

 

*Morrigan takes down dragon*

 

Inquisitor: How many bars do you have NOW, Cory? Huh? Huh?

 

Corypheus: Dammit! I should have battled somewhere with better reception!

 

 

ROFL! So that's why we shoot him up in the sky. Quizzy is so nice.

 

Inquisitor: Maybe if you try... up there! *sends to fade in pieces*

[Siha]

Alright, so the following is not related to a previous discussion, it's just a thought.

I know, many people think Solas is just a pseudonym for Fen'Harel in his original form. I still think Solas might be the elf (body) that took in Fen'Harel's soul. So, please just take this as a basis and follow me from there.

 

I wonder what happens to the original soul of a person if that person is "infiltrated" by a god's soul. When Morrigan learns of Flemeth's means of extending her lifespan she sees it like giving up everything she is, like her soul was killed and Flemeth would take over her body. However, when we hear Flemeth speak it seems more like both souls would merge. Flemeth always points out how she is "also an old woman", what pain she had to endure, "Someday, someone will summarise the terrible events of your life so quickly" and so on. It's not like she dismissed Flemeth's personal past, so Flemeth (the woman) still seems to be there, a real part of her, not just Mythal in Flemeth's body.

In such a case I assume that the body's original soul will also influence the god's soul, maybe add other motives and morals to the god's point of view. Might that not explain some of Solas' actions and his hesitation? Maybe that the part of Solas' original soul allows to fall in love and wish to help the people etc., while the part of Fen'Harel's soul is all focused on achieving his goals, making his plan work by all means necessary? Like Solas smoothing Fen'Harel and Fen'Harel strengthening Solas? Maybe these two confronting parts of the new "merged soul" are in a conflict with each other, at least sometimes, resulting in his a bit inconsistent behaviour?

[Dr. Doctor]

Doing the demon wolves quest in the Hinterlands got me this:

Solas: The Breach may have driven them mad... or perhaps a demon took command of the pack.

Cole: Do you know a lot about wolves?

Solas: I know that they are intelligent, practical creatures that small-minded fools think of as terrible beasts.

Walked past a big neon sign there.

[Siha]

Doing the demon wolves quest in the Hinterlands got me this:


Walked past a big neon sign there.

Don't be too harsh on yourself. In retrospect we're always smarter. If I said that dragons are no mindless beasts, would you understand that I'm a dragon? I can assure you, at least most other people don't.

[drake2511]

Doing the demon wolves quest in the Hinterlands got me this:


Walked past a big neon sign there.

 

Solas, your dread-wolf is showing.

[drake2511]

The sad moment when you write some sweet-sad Solas smutt but it's not in english so you can't share your filthy mind.

Also, this.

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Paint is your friend.