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[Elessara]

It could be a glitch, but I think the power conversation also works for the Inquisition.

I mean, it's an organization with heavy-hitting influence in the court of the Orlesian Empire, has possibly secured alliances with Archon Radonis of the Imperium as well as the Qun, has good relations with the royal family of Ferelden, merchant ties to Antiva and the Crows, its leader hails from the Free Marches, they've crisis-solved in all of the South, the Chantry stands only because the Inquisition saved them all, they have enough political clout to choose their own Divine...

As powerful as the Well's knowledge may be, every Inquisitor wields a terrifying amount of power, even without taking into account the possible uses of the Anchor.

The combination of this political power as well as the magical power represented by the Well probably played a role in the corruption of the Creators that Solas witnessed firsthand.

 

But Morrigan still has the power.  The Inquisitor, and by extension the Inquisition, does not.  She buggers off as she's prone to do and takes the power of the Well with her.  Even without previous knowledge of her behavior my Inquisitor never expected her to stay around after Corypheus was defeated as that's the sole reason she's there to begin with.

[BoscoBread]

I have no idea in regards to theory-crafting, but I would like to say that I particularly like headcannoning that if you make Cole more human, he eventually does need to eat and sleep and do all the rest, and that's why he hurts so much when he does become more human.

 

Did anyone make Cole more of a spirit? I hear he loses his emotions somewhat (at least speaks monotone) and I don't think I could stand that. Just hearing him be so excited when Corypheus tries to bind him and can't makes me too happy. x)

I made Cole more human.  I don't think there's a right/wrong answer in the game - it's up to the player to determine what feels right/wrong to them.  In my mage playthrough I made him more spirit and I dunno...it felt off to me. He's happy, certainly, but it felt off.  So in my Lavellan playthrough - she's a rogue - I just did what felt right and made him more human.  Regardless, he's a "person" either way.  You're just deciding to let him feel more complex emotions(including pain, sorrow, despair which is why he is more sad) or let him return to more like he was before.

 

I absolutely died of "cuteness" at the end party - if you take him to battle Corypheus - and he resists being "bound".  He's so proud of himself  talking about how he knew who he was.  I wanted to hug him.

[Addai]

Lol that's funny, I honestly thought it was Solas who didn't know what he was talking about in this instance because he didn't get Cole was more than a spirit.
 
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And lets be honest, Solas doesn't get people.

Varric makes a false statement about why Cole comes through (Cole himself says he comes through to help, not to be a person), then Varric says (on the spirit path) "he could have been a person" even though he is. Plus the scenes in Redcliffe play out, to me, with the spirit side being more authentic to who Cole is. More moving, too, incidentally.

Question. When you use your rift hand thingy to kill demons and people and suck their essence into the fade... you're obviously opening a rift... to the fade right? Sooo....

When we're physically in the fade and using this... where the hell does it go? Other parts of the fade?

I think you're just destroying them, sending them into the Void, like Solas does with Wisdom.

[Elven_Glory]

Found it! This is the awesome sauce fanfic I read last night about Lavallen finding Solas in the Fade after the last fight with corypheus.
 
https://www.fanficti...4/1/Lucid-Dream
 
It's really really well done.

I wish I didn't have to go to work soon, I want to read this. Of course, I want to do a lot of tbings that my job gets in the way of. It will have to wait until I get home.

[BoscoBread]

I wonder if Morrigan leaves the Eluvian.  I would want her to.  I mean she can't very well cart that thing around hiking through the mountains, unless she's get "hermione's magical bottomless bag" or something.

[Colonelkillabee]

I made Cole more human.  I don't think there's a right/wrong answer in the game - it's up to the player to determine what feels right/wrong to them.  In my mage playthrough I made him more spirit and I dunno...it felt off to me. He's happy, certainly, but it felt off.  So in my Lavellan playthrough - she's a rogue - I just did what felt right and made him more human.  Regardless, he's a "person" either way.  You're just deciding to let him feel more complex emotions(including pain, sorrow, despair which is why he is more sad) or let him return to more like he was before.

 

I absolutely died of "cuteness" at the end party - if you take him to battle Corypheus - and he resists being "bound".  He's so proud of himself  talking about how he knew who he was.  I wanted to hug him.

 

 

It all comes back to that same question we always ask. Is "Ignorance is bliss" your philosophy? Or would you rather Cole remember the Cole you met and understand the world that he wandered into better? Are you Cipher from the Matrix? Or are you Neo?

 

Do you choose the red pill or the blue pill?

 

I choose the red pill. Personally, I would never choose ignorant bliss over understanding.

[Caddius]

But Morrigan still has the power.  The Inquisitor, and by extension the Inquisition, does not.  She buggers off as she's prone to do and takes the power of the Well with her.  Even without previous knowledge of her behavior my Inquisitor never expected her to stay around after Corypheus was defeated as that's the sole reason she's there to begin with.

Yes but they don't need the Well's power for Solas to be concerned by what the Inquisitor is going to do with the power after Corypheus is defeated.

[RynJ]

Lol that's funny, I honestly thought it was Solas who didn't know what he was talking about in this instance because he didn't get Cole was more than a spirit.

 

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And lets be honest, Solas doesn't get people.

 

Is he, though? I always make Cole more human but there's something to be said about the dangers of rejecting one's own nature. I fully understood Solas being upset about it. He knows plenty of what he's talking about, Varric just goes for what he knows and is more comfortable with. As do most players. And like others have said, spirit Cole is STILL a person and a unique entity with his own personality. If you think like Solas, that is.

 

I'd actually think it was awesome if making Cole more human, which is easily the more palatable choice, had bigger consequences down the line than making him more spirit. That would probably be more realistic.

[BoscoBread]

I think it might be a little bit of both. I think Varric is partially right Cole came into this world to help people, but he also fashioned a human body that looked like the real Cole because he wanted to honor his memory, and symbolically help him live on by living in his stead. Like Solas says though, Cole is also a spirit.

In a way, they both focus too much on one side of Cole's nature and ignore the other, and the Inquisitor has no choice but to side with one and choose to encourage one side of Cole's nature and have him "forget" (or let go of) the other. I personaly feel like something is lost either way, and I feel like it's too bad we can't help Cole reconcile his human and spirit qualities.

Oh well, c'est lavie. Cole seems more content with himself either way, and just grateful for the help no matter what you do.

I agree but clarification - isn't the body the ACTUAL Cole's body.  We find out he possessed it after Cole died, like Justice possesses the dead Warden.

[Elessara]

Yes but they don't need the Well's power for Solas to be concerned by what the Inquisitor is going to do with the power after Corypheus is defeated.

 

But that's my point.  The Inquisitor doesn't have the power and therefore can't do anything with it.  Morrigan has it.

[Colonelkillabee]

Varric makes a false statement about why Cole comes through (Cole himself says he comes through to help, not to be a person), then Varric says (on the spirit path) "he could have been a person" even though he is. Plus the scenes in Redcliffe play out, to me, with the spirit side being more authentic to who Cole is. More moving, too, incidentally.

I think you're just destroying them, sending them into the Void, like Solas does with Wisdom.

Those comments are honestly inconsequential if you ask me. They both are ignorant to something. Solas to his human side, and people in general (you all know that lol, as this thread is a testament to) and Varric to his spirit side. Thing is, if he's a person no matter what, then Varric's advice applies no matter what as well, no?

 

Varric may have been wrong about why he came, but his outcome still helps with that goal regardless.

[RynJ]

It all comes back to that same question we always ask. Is "Ignorance is bliss" your philosophy? Or would you rather Cole remember the Cole you met and understand the world that he wandered into better? Are you Cipher from the Matrix? Or are you Neo?

 

Do you choose the red pill or the blue pill?

 

I choose the red pill. Personally, I would never choose ignorant bliss over understanding.

 

Is not thinking like a human being ignorant? An interesting question.

[Elessara]

I agree but clarification - isn't the body the ACTUAL Cole's body.  We find out he possessed it after Cole died, like Justice possesses the dead Warden.

 

I don't think it's Cole's actual body or it probably would have decayed like the dead Warden's did as the real Cole has been dead for quite some time.  I think our Cole simply made himself look like the real Cole.

[Addai]

I agree but clarification - isn't the body the ACTUAL Cole's body.  We find out he possessed it after Cole died, like Justice possesses the dead Warden.

No, they say several times that he never possessed a body. He just willed himself into the form of the dead Cole.

Like I said up above, some people just have natural reactions one way or another and it's hard to really explain why one feels more right than the other. Explaining it is like just trying to find justifications for something you feel at a gut level. It's a very well done quest. One of the most perplexing and satisfying. Cole's whole arc, really.

It all comes back to that same question we always ask. Is "Ignorance is bliss" your philosophy? Or would you rather Cole remember the Cole you met and understand the world that he wandered into better? Are you Cipher from the Matrix? Or are you Neo?

Do you choose the red pill or the blue pill?

I choose the red pill. Personally, I would never choose ignorant bliss over understanding.

But he does remember Cole. The writer clarified that it's not that he actually forgets, it's that he lets go of that trauma and it doesn't hold him like it had been. So there's no ignorance, it's just a different kind of acceptance of what happened.

[Elessara]

Varric makes a false statement about why Cole comes through (Cole himself says he comes through to help, not to be a person), then Varric says (on the spirit path) "he could have been a person" even though he is. Plus the scenes in Redcliffe play out, to me, with the spirit side being more authentic to who Cole is. More moving, too, incidentally.

I think you're just destroying them, sending them into the Void, like Solas does with Wisdom.

 

Solas says that when a spirit or demon dies their energy returns to the Fade.  So since you're killing demons in the Fade, the energy probably dissipates into the surrounding area.

[Colonelkillabee]

Is not thinking like a human being ignorant? An interesting question.

I'd say thinking that thinking like a human means ignorance is ignorant Solas is wise but he shows many times that he just doesn't get others a lot of the time. Not all the time though. His reflections on Cass were pretty insightful.

[Roxy]

 

And ugh, where is this tomb?! I've been through the whole area before and cleared out the mountain fortress, but I can't find the tomb entrance.

 

 

The Tomb? It's over where the Dragon is once you go to the rest of the tombs that one will be the last.... I think not sure but you have to kill the dragon to go there and the Dragon is level 20. 

[RynJ]

I'd say thinking that thinking like a human means ignorance is ignorant Solas is wise but he shows many times that he just doesn't get others a lot of the time. Not all the time though. His reflections on Cass were pretty insightful.

 

I was talking about Cole, not Solas.

[BoscoBread]

No, they say several times that he never possessed a body. He just willed himself into the form of the dead Cole.

Like I said up above, some people just have natural reactions one way or another and it's hard to really explain why one feels more right than the other. Explaining it is like just trying to find justifications for something you feel at a gut level. It's a very well done quest. One of the most perplexing and satisfying. Cole's whole arc, really.

Ok thanks, for the clarification. During that quest I thought he had said he did but I was apparently still confused. 

 

And yeah, it's a gut thing.  Good quest.  Love Cole.

[Elessara]

The Tomb? It's over where the Dragon is once you go to the rest of the tombs that one will be the last.... I think not sure but you have to kill the dragon to go there and the Dragon is level 20. 

 

You don't actually have to kill the dragon.  It's sleeping and you can go around it.

[Colonelkillabee]

I was talking about Cole, not Solas.

Either way Cole is ignorant to something. It's either going to be that he gets humanity better or he doesn't at all. And since he's chilling in the real world, he may as well get humanity.

 

Plus, I don't like having him rely on an amulet for safety.

[Colonelkillabee]

Also, I am NOT having Cole run around catering to orlesian Nobles. Not on your life.

[Addai]

I'd say thinking that thinking like a human means ignorance is ignorant Solas is wise but he shows many times that he just doesn't get others a lot of the time. Not all the time though. His reflections on Cass were pretty insightful.

I responded to this up above- it's not ignorance, and Solas never says that it is, not that I can recall anyway. In the case of Cole, I think there's nobody that understands him better than Solas does. That doesn't mean that Solas is right, since he has his own biases, but in terms of understanding, Solas is way ahead of Varric. Both of them want Cole to be one way or the other, both are kind of selfish in how they approach it.

The Tomb? It's over where the Dragon is once you go to the rest of the tombs that one will be the last.... I think not sure but you have to kill the dragon to go there and the Dragon is level 20.

I meant the one in the mountain fortress. I had to resort to YouTube. Ran right past it on my way up the mountain. *sigh*

[BoscoBread]

Is he, though? I always make Cole more human but there's something to be said about the dangers of rejecting one's own nature. I fully understood Solas being upset about it. He knows plenty of what he's talking about, Varric just goes for what he knows and is more comfortable with. As do most players. And like others have said, spirit Cole is STILL a person and a unique entity with his own personality. If you think like Solas, that is.

 

I'd actually think it was awesome if making Cole more human, which is easily the more palatable choice, had bigger consequences down the line than making him more spirit. That would probably be more realistic.

Yeah.  I was actually a bit troubled after I made him more human that he said he was angrier and wanted to kill people more. We shall see what BW does with it.