LOL. You drank? Couldn't tell... *holds back laughter*
You don't go to a sex toy party and stay sober!
This is the party I went to
and this is what I bought
https://www.pureroma...haped-Heat-Pack
and this is what I'm going to get when my good friend Chelsea has her party she booked March 7. lol.
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Friends don't let friends run around fussing over Orlesian Nobles 
Remember that, when it comes to Cole, people.
It's in the keep. Go to where the merchant is and there will be some stairs go up there and it should be there.
I hope that's the one you are talking about lol
Thank you!
He seems like a child to me, and very ignorant of his surroundings at times, even with his little reading ability. Even if he's somehow "technically" still a spirit, he's also still human. Hence hybrid, and he can be more human than spirit so the point is moot.
He came here on his own to help, so I'm obligated to help him better understand how to live here. Why have him floating around just waiting to be taken advantage of when he can be better guarded.
Goodnight
Agree to disagree, but I definitely agree human side is more palatable.
I've played out both scenarios for Cole.
Allowing him to "grow" as a human made me feel happy inside, because as I'm sure many people have said, it's like the story of Pinocchio. Now he gets to be a real boy, and evolve into something more. Sure, humans are flawed creatures, but there's a beauty in it that perhaps a spirit could never experience.
We know spirits embody purpose, and I feel they are confined within that role throughout their existence, which isn't necessarily bad, but there's no room for development, just... BEING. If they are perverted from that purpose, then bad things happen. Cole saw it with the Hunger demon, and his fears were valid ones. To be something more than just a spirit would allow change, even if it's just a "mental" thing.
That being said, I appreciated the spirit path with him just as much. He felt at peace, like the struggle he felt to figure out what or who he was was bearing down on his ability to follow the purpose of compassion. Now, he could truly, and simply, just BE.
Neither choice make him solidly either/or. He's unique, a hybrid as you said, and I think it's beautiful.
Catering to Cole's true nature is catering to a child's ignorance?
In our world, yes, it may as well be.
I just pat Cole on the head. He likes to help so I let him. I don't try to understand him, I just let him do him.
In our world, yes, it may as well be.
Solas would call your thinking very limited.
Thank you!
You are welcome,hope you find/found it. Sometimes they can be tricky to find.
I've played out both scenarios for Cole.
Allowing him to "grow" as a human made me feel happy inside, because as I'm sure many people have said, it's like the story of Pinocchio. Now he gets to be a real boy, and evolve into something more. Sure, humans are flawed creatures, but there's a beauty in it that perhaps a spirit could never experience.
We know spirits embody purpose, and I feel they are confined within that role throughout their existence, which isn't necessarily bad, but there's no room for development, just... BEING. If they are perverted from that purpose, then bad things happen. Cole saw it with the Hunger demon, and his fears were valid ones. To be something more than just a spirit would allow change, even if it's just a "mental" thing.
That being said, I appreciated the spirit path with him just as much. He felt at peace, like the struggle he felt to figure out what or who he was was bearing down on his ability to follow the purpose of compassion. Now, he could truly, and simply, just BE.
Neither choice make him solidly either/or. He's unique, a hybrid as you said, and I think it's beautiful.
Indeed, and I agree. Perhaps I shouldn't say I don't see the appeal at all in the spirit side. I do see the appeal... I just don't at all sign on with the idea because it seems much less idealistic to me to make someone more able to cope with their surroundings, and the human side is naturally more agreeable with this world.
Like I said, ignorance to me isn't bliss, not when the choice between that and knowledge is there. Others don't see it as him being ignorant, but I do. To this world as it is, and the people who inhabit it. Sure he gets special insight, but he still never really gains understanding that one achieves through shared experience.
Solas would call your thinking very limited.
And I'd call his the same I like Solas but for a guy that loves expanding knowledge, he obviously stopped when it came to the inhabitants of this world.
Oh lord, what did I start? xD
A nice conversation and a little debate We're not arguing or mad or anything.
Oh lord, what did I start? xD
You started an interesting discussion on the merits of making Cole more human or more spirit and the motivations of Varric and Solas for wanting one or the other. 
Indeed, and I agree. Perhaps I shouldn't say I don't see the appeal at all in the spirit side. I do see the appeal... I just don't at all sign on with the idea because it seems much less idealistic to me to make someone more able to cope with their surroundings, and the human side is naturally more agreeable with this world.
Like I said, ignorance to me isn't bliss, not when the choice between that and knowledge is there. Others don't see it as him being ignorant, but I do. To this world as it is, and the people who inhabit it. Sure he gets special insight, but he still never really gains understanding that one achieves through shared experience.
If I may suggest, and please feel free to tell me to shove off if you've already done this, but read Asunder. It's basically Cole's origin story, kind of, and it really gives a good perspective to his plight and his... awareness level.
Edited to add smiley faces and hearts because I love this thread.
A nice conversation and a little debate
Good good.
I get nervous with debates online, usually because they don't end up being debates. x)
No, he says "What will you do with the power of the Well once Corypheus is dead?" ... and all I can think is, dude I'm not going to do jack with it go ask Morrigan. What I actually says is ... "I'm going to make the world a better place with rainbows and kittens and unicorns - no, not the bog unicorn, that thing is creepy as ****"
Edit: I loaded a save where I didn't drink just to double check. Now I have to go through the whole scene where he dumps my char. Again. Space bar don't fail me!
I like to imagine that the bog unicorn ends up being really affectionate and wants to be loved on, but everyone's like "NOPE IT'S YOUR TURN".
I think it might be a little bit of both. I think Varric is partially right Cole came into this world to help people, but he also fashioned a human body that looked like the real Cole because he wanted to honor his memory, and symbolically help him live on by living in his stead. Like Solas says though, Cole is also a spirit.
In a way, they both focus too much on one side of Cole's nature and ignore the other, and the Inquisitor has no choice but to side with one and choose to encourage one side of Cole's nature and have him "forget" (or let go of) the other. I personaly feel like something is lost either way, and I feel like it's too bad we can't help Cole reconcile his human and spirit qualities.
Oh well, c'est lavie. Cole seems more content with himself either way, and just grateful for the help no matter what you do.
That's how I see it too. When it comes to the decision, it felt to me like Solas was playing it safe. He was scared of what could possibly happen to Cole if he tried to ignore his own nature and go more human (which is more poignant after he loses his spirit friend). By playing it safe, he is also ignoring a part of what Cole is and a trajectory Cole has been going on for a while now.
Varric, on the other hand, is potentially playing with fire with no real understanding of the possible consequences. He recognizes human potential in Cole and clings to it. He has no true knowledge of spirits and doesn't respect them as people the way Solas does.
All in all, Solas has better judgment in my opinion. Even if I ignore it in favor of making Cole more human, mostly for selfish reasons of wanting him to be my humany little bro. And because the human path is more interesting in terms of the lore.
Yep, I kind of hated going off on what Solas and Varric thought was best - but Cole was in great distress at that time and just wanted to kill the man. It was like a family intervention.
Solas definitely was playing it safe especially after what occurred with Wisdom. But I doubt it's just because of that, just another deciding factor. He does know what he's talking about, and it is a risk to make Cole more human, because what if, like Anders, it twists something inside him and he turns into a demon again?
Varric doesn't know anything about "weird ****". He sees Cole suffering...like Anders did...and wants to bring forth the human side.
Good good.
I get nervous with debates online, usually because they don't end up being debates. x)
So do I usually but the people in this thread are pretty chill.
And I'd call his the same
You seem to think that Solas is entirely ignorant about real people. I don't agree with that at all.
A nice conversation and a little debate
How do you know I'm not plotting your death over this argument at this very moment?
If I may suggest, and please feel free to tell me to shove off if you've already done this, but read Asunder. It's basically Cole's origin story, kind of, and it really gives a good perspective to his plight and his... awareness level.
Edited to add smiley faces and hearts because I love this thread.
I kind of spoiled myself on what happens in Asunder, but I do want to read it.
My only problem is my experience with novel adaptions of video games tend to be a bit... poor. Maybe I've just read the bad ones.
If I may suggest, and please feel free to tell me to shove off if you've already done this, but read Asunder. It's basically Cole's origin story, kind of, and it really gives a good perspective to his plight and his... awareness level.
Lol I won't tell you to shove off ever for that I haven't read the books so you have more knowledge than I do, which can be useful for the discussion. And I'd be glad if you shared it with me since I haven't read asunder, even if it means that I'm wrong in my assessment.
You seem to think that Solas is entirely ignorant about real people. I don't agree with that at all.
Completely no, but I do think he's more used to dealing with spirits than he is people. If he has to ask me if the mark changed me to get that all humans aren't rigid in their thinking processes, then clearly his experience is rather limited. Especially with the comment that he "read that humans were borish and thugs". It really makes it come off as if he's had very little experience with people.
You seem to think that Solas is entirely ignorant about real people. I don't agree with that at all.
How do you know I'm not plotting your death over this argument at this very moment?
o.O
I'll help!
*wanders over to Colonelkillabee* Hey, I think RynJ is plotting your death.
*heads back over to RynJ* Somehow he found out you're plotting his death, quick change your plans!
*sneaks over to Colonelkillabee* RynJ changed their plan!
*heads over to RynJ* I think he has a spy somewhere on the thread.
I could keep this up forever ...
Completely no, but I do think he's more used to dealing with spirits than he is people. If he has to ask me if the mark changed me to get that all humans aren't rigid in their thinking processes, then clearly his experience is rather limited. Especially with the comment that he "read that humans were borish and thugs". It really makes it come off as if he's had very little experience with people.
Isn't that a line you only get if you have some disapproval with him? I never got that line on my one human. My one lonely human. The only non-elf out of n playthroughs (where n is a value between 5 and 10).
I kind of spoiled myself on what happens in Asunder, but I do want to read it.
My only problem is my experience with novel adaptions of video games tend to be a bit... poor. Maybe I've just read the bad ones.
I liked Asunder, not a difficult read, either. I recommend it!
Lol I won't tell you to shove off ever for that
Haha, it's definitely useful for this conversation. You also see the underbelly of the mage/templar conflict, along with further character developments useful for game-play. Edit: Not so much gameplay maybe, but some of the "cameo's" you see in DAI felt random to me,until I read Asunder, so it helped with my understanding of their importance to the world I was bending over backwards to save... I really wish I'd had read it before DAI, but *shrug*, I only got so much time, yo.
I plan to read The Masked Empire next, it's been sitting on my desk, glaring at me for weeks now... 
Completely no, but I do think he's more used to dealing with spirits than he is people. If he has to ask me if the mark changed me to get that all humans aren't rigid in their thinking processes, then clearly his experience is rather limited. Especially with the comment that he "read that humans were borish and thugs". It really makes it come off as if he's had very little experience with people.
Hmm, he's not really entirely wrong in this assessment, though, is he? There are many who would say it takes an exceptional person to see beyond their own thought processes. And, I mean, at one point he was among normal people. Ancient elves, at least. It's been a long time, though.
I always saw Solas as more incredibly cynical than fully ignorant. He's certainly prejudiced, though, but I think it's going a little far to say that he has a tiny amount of understanding of real people. He seems to appreciate individuals quite a lot.
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