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Isn't that a line you only get if you have some disapproval with him?  I never got that line on my one human.  My one lonely human.  The only non-elf out of n playthroughs (where n is a value between 5 and 10).

Neither have I. I was really surprised to see that actually when someone posted it here. But I don't think Solas lies about much, even if he's angered. If anything, people are most truthful when they're angry. It may be a good idea to get low dispositions with characters to get the full picture.



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Still catching up, so I'm sorry if this has already been pointed out, but it needs to be said.

 

Back on the topic of Solas having duality; there was a snippet of conversation with Cassandra where she is asking him if he had encountered Templars before as an apostate and he says that his only experience of them was as an "infant" (I think I got this word right).   In other words before he came into his powers and therefore they did not present a problem.    Now I may have misheard but there are occasions when he says stuff that sounds like he experienced life as an ordinary elf at one time, so unless he is outright lying in order to make his cover story more convincing, I keep coming back to the idea that he was "possessed" by Fen'Harel, but in the same way that Anders or Wynne or even Flemeth was.

 

Now the Dalish may have got their history and legends of the gods a bit wonky but there is an element of truth in them as well.    They have a belief that Fen'Harel stalks the Fade looking to capture souls (or something like that).    If you remove the hostile element to this belief then you are left with Fen'Harel walking the Fade looking for souls to interact with.      Solas was definitely a dreamer and such people are very attractive to all spirits, but particularly a powerful Fade spirit like Fen'Harel.    Also it may be that Fen'Harel himself was a material being originally but may be had to surrender that material existence in order to imprison his fellow gods.    So unlike Mythal he wasn't murdered but he did effectively die in the material world, voluntarily giving up his existence there.

 

Of course it could be that Solas is simply Fen'Harel under another name but somehow it doesn't feel right to me.

 

You probably misheard. This is the banter Solas and Cass have regarding Solas's encounters with templars:

  • Solas: Your abilities are remarkable, Seeker. It is fascinating to see how you and the templars negate magic.
  • Cassandra: Have you never encountered templars before?
  • Solas: Only at a distance. I am an apostate, after all.
  • Cassandra: And they never caught you even once?
  • Solas: I am a very careful apostate.

http://dragonage.wik.../Solas/Dialogue



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Neither have I. I was really surprised to see that actually when someone posted it here. But I don't think Solas lies about much, even if he's angered. If anything, people are most truthful when they're angry. It may be a good idea to get low dispositions with characters to get the full picture.

 

But but ... I want people to LIKE me!  *sniffles*



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Completely no, but I do think he's more used to dealing with spirits than he is people. If he has to ask me if the mark changed me to get that all humans aren't rigid in their thinking processes, then clearly his experience is rather limited. Especially with the comment that he "read that humans were borish and thugs". It really makes it come off as if he's had very little experience with people.

I agree. I can't take Varric and Solas in a party together, it's just human bashing for the most part.. I love Solas but it was just too much for me.


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I agree. I can't take Varric and Solas in a party together, it's just human bashing for the most part.. I love Solas but it was just too much for me.

 

I only really recall that one convo where they were bashing humans though.  And I took that more as busting on Cassandra than anything.  They can still have that convo without her there but it really falls flat.



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Hmm, he's not really entirely wrong in this assessment, though, is he? There are many who would say it takes an exceptional person to see beyond their own thought processes. And, I mean, at one point he was among normal people. Ancient elves, at least. It's been a long time, though.

 

I always saw Solas as more incredibly cynical than fully ignorant. He's certainly prejudiced, though, but I think it's going a little far to say that he has a tiny amount of understanding of real people. He seems to appreciate individuals quite a lot.

Well, prejudice is ignorant, no? :P

 

Maybe I should stay away from that word, as it usually carries a negative connotation that blurs my meaning. I don't think Solas is just completely clueless when it comes to others. He's just like that quirky doctor that's more used to seeing people under the knife than anything else. He has knowledge about people that normal people don't have, but in his far seeing lense, he misses things that are closer to him. Get my meaning?

 

He's like Cohle on True Detective, lol. Every now and then his less intelligent partner has to put him in his place and let him know he's missed a few things in his cynical outlook of the world. Though that might be a bad example since they're both very damaged individuals.

 

Actually... no I take it back, that works very well for Solas and Varric.



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Welp, I'm starting Varric's personal quest, and since I'm stubborn and refuse to remove Solas or Cole... I have me (Rogue), Varric (Rogue), Cole (Rogue), Bianca (Rogue)... Poor Solas. T_T

 

Maybe I should swap him for Sera!


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Hmm, he's not really entirely wrong in this assessment, though, is he? There are many who would say it takes an exceptional person to see beyond their own thought processes. And, I mean, at one point he was among normal people. Ancient elves, at least. It's been a long time, though.

 

I always saw Solas as more incredibly cynical than fully ignorant. He's certainly prejudiced, though, but I think it's going a little far to say that he has a tiny amount of understanding of real people. He seems to appreciate individuals quite a lot.

Agreed. He tends to forget that while he may be right that doesn't mean someone else is wrong.  Like in this case:  Varric's opinion does have merit.  I don't think this has anything to do about being ignorant of real people. He's incredibly astute and thoughtful.  He's just pretty set on how he feels/believes and I think it's hard for him to shake the "I know a ton of stuff so my judgement is probably correct". 


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Welp, I'm starting Varric's personal quest, and since I'm stubborn and refuse to remove Solas or Cole... I have me (Rogue), Varric (Rogue), Cole (Rogue), Bianca (Rogue)... Poor Solas. T_T

 

Maybe I should swap him for Sera!

 

On a positive note ... things should die pretty quickly!



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I agree. I can't take Varric and Solas in a party together, it's just human bashing for the most part.. I love Solas but it was just too much for me.

 

Love Varric and Solas but yes I can't stand the human bashing that I have to listen too....as Cassandra likes to put it *Disgusted noise*

 

 

EDIT: Solas pic everyone

 

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Agreed. He tends to forget that while he may be right that doesn't mean someone else is wrong.  Like in this case:  Varric's opinion does have merit.  I don't think this has anything to do about being ignorant of real people. He's incredibly astute and thoughtful.  He's just pretty set on how he feels/believes and I think it's hard for him to shake the "I know a ton of stuff so my judgement is probably correct". 

What's ironic is Solas and I are very alike, lol.

 

In that we hold on to what we think is right.


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Well, prejudice is ignorant, no? :P

 

Maybe I should stay away from that word, as it usually carries a negative connotation that blurs my meaning. I don't think Solas is just completely clueless when it comes to others. He's just like that quirky doctor that's more used to seeing people under the knife than anything else. He has knowledge about people that normal people don't have, but in his far seeing lense, he misses things that are closer to him. Get my meaning?

 

He's like Cohle on True Detective, lol. Every now and then his less intelligent partner has to put him in his place and let him know he's missed a few things in his cynical outlook of the world. Though that might be a bad example since they're both very damaged individuals.

 

Actually... no I take it back, that works very well for Solas and Varric.

 

I actually think it's kind of the opposite! He gets blinders on when it comes to the big picture and has a flawed view in generalities, but smaller people in smaller scales earn his attention and respect much more easily. He just needs more experiences with that kind of thing.



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Love Varric and Solas but yes I can't stand the human bashing that I have to listen too....as Cassandra likes to put it *Disgusted noise*

I quite enjoy the human snarking and fermented fruit juice...


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On a positive note ... things should die pretty quickly!

 

Kill them before they kill me! I like it!



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I actually think it's kind of the opposite! He gets blinders on when it comes to the big picture and has a flawed view in generalities, but smaller people in smaller scales earn his attention and respect much more easily. He just needs more experiences with that kind of thing.

:lol: Well, that actually works really well with my analogy. If I'm looking at things through a sniper's scope, my vision is tunneled and I can miss the big picture. Which is why snipers don't run around staring into their lense.

 

Either way, Solas is missing a few key things when it comes to people. And if spirits are people too, this is rather important. Both of them are missing the fact that he is really neither human or spirit. But the difference is he's in the mortal plane with mortals.



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What's ironic is Solas and I are very alike, lol.

 

In that we hold on to what we think is right.

 

You?  Stubborn?  *looks at your signature*  Naw, not you.  Impossible!



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You?  Stubborn?  *looks at your signature*  Naw, not you.  Impossible!

:P Lol it doesn't lie, no doubt about it.

 

Then again, would a stubborn person really acknowledge they're stubborn? ;) I like to think of it as me being sure of my stances.



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I quite enjoy the human snarking and fermented fruit juice...

 

lol

 

Well some people are fine with that some aren't.  :D



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I agree. I can't take Varric and Solas in a party together, it's just human bashing for the most part.. I love Solas but it was just too much for me.

Oh. I didn't think it was that bad. To be fair - the dwarves and elves are kind of treated like garbage by the humans.  I love Varric/Solas in a party together. They both have incredibly different views on what it means to live and how to deal with the past.  Through all of it I felt Solas really respected Varric.  And vice versa.  I love listening to Solas bond with people though so I may have been willing to forgive the bashing.

 

Solas' banters with Varric and Cassandra:  Maybe I'm over-interpreting it but I think we're supposed to see that even in the tiniest way, Solas was changed by these relationships -- especially if romanced. I don't think he even realizes how hard it may be down the line if he has to confront them especially Cassandra.  I really hope the writers do right by touching on Solas' friendship with Cassandra.  I love those two as friends. 


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What's ironic is Solas and I are very alike, lol.

 

In that we hold on to what we think is right.

 

I believe they call that being stubborn. ;)

 

Someone beat me to it, haha!

 

Umm.. uh... have a meme!

 

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Like this, right?


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I believe they call that being stubborn. ;)

I find that to be one of Solas' best traits :P And mine, lol.


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  • Cole: Do you write to reach across? To hear the song that was sundered?
  • Varric: I'm... not sure what that even means, Kid, but probably?

Varric is wonderful. And it seems like Cole and other spirits are well aware of what went down with the Song.

Solas also has some dialogue that suggests the Creators being spirits that became more mortal like with time. Where Cole almost gets it, but then apologizes for hearing him wrong. Hmm.

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  • Cole: Do you feel spirits when you cast a spell?
  • Cole: Bits of them push through with your magic, tiny, a wisp of a wisp, free before falling back. They pool around you, water in a cup, defined, deafened, hearing only your song.
  • Cole: They want to skate, scintillate on skin. You made them them. Their maker.
  • Vivienne: Now. I need. A bath.

Both The Calling and especially Last Flight when describing mages at work mention spirits whispering around the spells, demons tempting them in small ways, but Dorian and Vivienne seem surprised by the idea. Also the Three Cups Theory. I feel like Sister Squish and Madrar are poor starved pit-fighting dogs, and it's the Solas Thread's job to throw them hapless bystanders.  :P  :D

 

Oh is that so, Caddius?! 

(Thank you  :P )

Well, I may have an offering for you! 

Familiar-sounding elements from H.P. Lovecraft's 'Under the Pyramids': 

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Ideas of possible interest: 

> belief of three parts to a person: the body, the soul, and the ka (life-force) 

> "composite mummies"  - the living dead, heads replace with those of animals, to "imitate the gods". Supporting pyramid-orientated Qunari originating as "unnatural" experiments?

> deep underground, centre-of-the-Earth style, is a black pit where a very old god lives. 

> "colossi" worship this god

> also the source of a "song"

> "nether abyss" is where only ka and the soulless can go and return unscathed 

> the living dead (the ka) are awaiting the day Osiris returns to restore ka and soul, and lead them to a "glorious rebirth"


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I didn't take pictures at my sex toy party but I wanted to tell you all it was fabulous. I got a this heart shaped gel massager thing and I'm gonna pretend Solas is using a spell to warm his hands when he givea me a massagw. hehhhhehehe

Also I drank.

All this talk of Cole made me forget to do this:

 

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Solas' banters with Varric and Cassandra:  Maybe I'm over-interpreting it but I think we're supposed to see that even in the tiniest way, Solas was changed by these relationships -- especially if romanced. I don't think he even realizes how hard it may be down the line if he has to confront them especially Cassandra.  I really hope the writers do right by touching on Solas' friendship with Cassandra.  I love those two as friends. 

A Cole/Solas confrontation might kill my heart.

 

Edit: And by "might," I mean "definitely." 


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