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[Illyria]

Haha! Please inform us if you ever find out.

 

What I'm curious about is does Cullen say anything about a female mage Warden who romanced Leliana? Just wondering how interesting the situation would be knowing that the woman he was obsessed with back in DAO is now the lover of his fellow advisor.

 

I've imported a fem!Surana/Leliana for my Trevalyan/Cullen playthrough (there's no way I could use a Lavellan.  That would be way too werid).  I'll let you know when I find out.  I did use my Leliana romance worldstate for my first playthough but that was when banter and advisor banter was still buggy so I didn't hear anything (which is a shame because I used that worldstate because I wanted to hear Cullen's reaction).

 

EDIT:

 

Now I really want to restart my Coulsand playthrough.  She was such a fun character.  I love it when you come up with the perfect plan for a character and the character just goes 'nope' and does the opposite.

[Maria13]

Oh, I think we can handle Darth Solas.
 
He says this very thing explicitly at one point. I can't remember the exact dialogue, but it's with the Inquisitor, talking about keeping your end goal in mind and not getting distracted by half measures.
 
 

 

Cool. 

 

I think he says it himself best when he is describing wolves to Cole. Wolves, he says, are practical intelligent creatures who those who do not understand them have turned into terrible monsters.

[Colonelkillabee]

Well there's nothing wrong with ruthlessness in politics per se, it's just that this doesn't seem to gel very well with the fluffy side of Solas. And there is a fluffy side to Solas.

 

Ask around, I hated, Loghain. Could never find it in me to hate Solas.

 

There is a saying that goes desperate circumstances call for desperate measures. Replace the Orlesian empire with the gods and you begin to see that the process you have described above is pretty much is the same. And Solas seems to be well on his way to giving up the love of his life...

Of course it doesn't fit with his fluffy side, it never does around loved ones. He's not a one dimensional character. There's no real confliction.

 

I think I'm opposite in that people see me as this tough manly man and don't realize I have a fluffy side, lol. Solas always had this atmosphere about him from my perspective. His confidence he carries is one born from conflict.

[Pinax]

(...)

 

Solas definitely was playing it safe especially after what occurred with Wisdom. But I doubt it's just because of that, just another deciding factor. He does know what he's talking about, and it is a risk to make Cole more human, because what if, like Anders, it twists something inside him and he turns into a demon again?

 

Varric doesn't know anything about "weird ****". He sees Cole suffering...like Anders did...and wants to bring forth the human side.

 

 

Actually what I found interesting with Cole is that his story suggests a demon may become a spirit again, if it regains it's true purpose. I am referencing here Cole's story when he was originally discovered by the templars, Rhys and Evangeline.

 

Did anyone else also understood his story this way?

 

http://dragonage.wik...aff_of_the_Void

"The inscription is old Tevinter Imperium: "There is strength in absence. Absence of weakness, and of limitation. Absence of caution, and of mercy. The Void has always been within."

Side-note, I'm reminded of the Void in Wheel of Time. Namely, a technique for maintaining serenity in dangerous situations like deadly combat or being a character in Wheel of Time. Specifically, the character picturing a fire in a Void, and feeding all of the fears and worries into the fire, until there's nothing left but the Void and icy calm.

Main-note, what the devil is the Void? It's obviously important. It's apparently the source of the Blight. It may have been home to the Forgotten Ones. I'd like to send a firmly worded letter to the writers. 

 

You know what's funny? I actually just realized that I didn't notice a difference between the Void and the Fade during my DA:O playthrough: I was playing in my native language (Polish) and both words were translated the same way. So just until now the Void and the Fade have been the same things to me. But it's obvious now that these are different places.

 

Now I re-read the description of Anvil of the Void mission and the Fade description on DA wiki and these are the speculations I came up with:

 

- the existing (real) world is Fade+Thedas, separated by the Veil. One is reflection of another and both are shaped by each other (Fade is shaped from dreams, nightmares and all kinds of emotions of Thedas; many spirits/demons are attracted to Thedas and can change it by their actions, for example by possessing a mage). So they are like 2 sides of the same coin or maybe a better comparison: an object and it's mirror reflection. Relation between Fade and Thedas: reciprocity.

 

- the real world is placed in the Void which is a non-world (I'll explain this soon), however it seems there is some connection between the Void and the blood. Caridin creates golems in his Anvil of the Void by using blood magic and not by binding spirits into golems, so it seems the Void has possibility to create/transform but only the material beings and not spirits?

Relation between Void and real world: opposition.

 

Why do I speculate the Void is a non-world? Again by reading the legend of Mythal as Great Protector codex entry, particularly this part:

 

And that night, when the sun had gone to sleep, Mythal gathered the glowing earth around his bed, and formed it into a sphere to be placed in the sky, a pale reflection of the sun's true glory.

 

I envision the "sphere placed in the sky" as the real world (Fade+Thedas) while the sky here is the Void. I just don't understand if it's the sky which is "a pale reflection of the sun's true glory"? Does this means again that everything potentially destructive in the world of Thedas comes from the Sun, in opposition to the Earth?

 

If it makes you feel better, I sometimes feel that way too when I hear people discuss popular choices - choosing Cousland origin, marry King Alistair, Lavellan being a mage in most Solavellan fanfics, etc.

 

Almost everyone I know IRL who's played DAO has chosen to play a Cousland (male or female, it doesn't matter) for their first PT so it gets rather lonely sometimes being the only one who's played the Mahariel PT. (You'd think with so many origins, people would choose something else other than the Human Noble origin.)

 

I had just 1 Cousland, only because of curiosity, hunger of royal power and possibility of making Alistair happy at the same time (still dumping him with Zevran though ). But my real babies are Mrs Mahariels in few playthroughs, including the very first DA:O one!
 

[Colonelkillabee]

So I felt we didn't expand the on the broodmother reproductive process yesterday so I create an artistic rendering of the mating ritual. I based it on toads.
 
nsfw

Spoiler

 
drew on chat.

 
Oh... my... god...

*sighs* I opened up my Lavellan save today, and I have to say that I wish there would be some DLC soon that gives us a lot of cinematics. And a lot of Solas as well. Halinia Lavellan still hardened after Solas left her, but looking as stunning as ever!

Spoiler

Thank god for the eyecandy to wash my brain, lol. Fine ass elf.

[Caddius]

Well there's nothing wrong with ruthlessness in politics per se, it's just that this doesn't seem to gel very well with the fluffy side of Solas. And there is a fluffy side to Solas.

 

Ask around, I hated, Loghain. Could never find it in me to hate Solas.

 

There is a saying that goes desperate circumstances call for desperate measures. Replace the Orlesian empire with the gods and you begin to see that the process you have described above is pretty much is the same. And Solas seems to be well on his way to giving up the love of his life...

I think the ruthlessness perfectly matches Solas's fluffy personality, to be honest. As he says, 'the healer has the bloodiest hands'. As a good man, he's willing to make himself miserable in pursuit of a high and noble goal. I wonder if one of the reasons that you hate Loghain but like Solas is that Solas's goals (appear) to be more wide-reaching? That is, they're more palatable goals to most people. As much as I love Loghain, he does everything for his country, often putting his countrymen off. He shrugs off selling the Alienage elves into slavery, despite slavering at the mouth about how Ferelden was 'enslaved for a century!' And if ever there was a man who resembled the petty and cruel Orlesian occupiers, it's Arl Howe. So Loghain is patriotism turned on its head, a rebel trying to get things back to how they were, to keep foreign influence out. He's become embittered by how the nobility has treated him and how life in general has treated him, and the paranoia and military instinct and dislike of Cailan led him to make a single decision at Ostagar that kicked off a chain reaction of events where he sees the Renegade response as the only option truly available to him. And it's only at the Landsmeet that he realizes just how far and how fast he's fallen.

Solas isn't so much an attempt to put things back to how they were, but to how they should be. Idealism, again. Free-will, all races accepted, mages not held under the Templar yoke, the common people not fearing magic, but instead respecting the wonders it can create. A world with an understanding of spirits that never binds them in blood rituals. A world where the People can stand proudly. I'd guess that he's been working toward this goal for a long time, and that everything backfired beforehand. If he held back before, I doubt he'll repeat the mistake. Last time he shared power, he was betrayed. Now he's the seeming lone survivor of the Creators, and the only one who can do it. 

At least, that's my guess. I'm sleepy and rambling more than usual.

[Maria13]

Of course it doesn't fit with his fluffy side, it never does around loved ones. He's not a one dimensional character. There's no real confliction.

 

I think I'm opposite in that people see me as this tough manly man and don't realize I have a fluffy side, lol. Solas always had this atmosphere about him from my perspective. His confidence he carries is one born from conflict.

 

This thread is full of awesome and awesome people... And yes, in his convos with Blackwell he states very clearly that he has experience with war and killing people.

[Addai]

Well I can't get mods to work but I'm still gonna start Origins anyway. Too bad so sad pretty hairstyles

Really? Are you using DA Modder? If you're loading more than one chargen mod, you also need a Chargen morph compiler program to make them play together. There's one on Nexus.
 

Friends don't let friends run around fussing over Orlesian Nobles Remember that, when it comes to Cole, people.

Yeah, that's the worst. It still makes him happy, though, and both he and the Inquisitor have seen enough death and actual suffering.

[Colonelkillabee]

Lol, aww! Thank you, I'm quite surprised Conan isn't here making a comment about Halinia vs.his IQ.

What you mean looks wise? Lol I know I'm the baddest ****** around this thread Baddest bitches don't need to talk about how pretty they are, they just know they the best I am Queen Bee, lol.

[Illyria]

Really? Are you using DA Modder? If you're loading more than one chargen mod, you also need a Chargen morph compiler program to make them play together. There's one on Nexus.
 

 

It's also easy enough to do that by hand if the chargen compiler doesn't work.

[Colonelkillabee]

This thread is full of awesome and awesome people... And yes, in his convos with Blackwell he states very clearly that he has experience with war and killing people.

 
Lol thank you, and I agree, this thread's the best corner of the forums. Good people all around.
 
And speaking of Blackwall, there's a good point for team optimism. When Blackwall's secret comes out, remember what Solas says?
 
"I was wrong, you and I are nothing alike at all."
 
Thank God. Or, Fen'harel, amiright?

Yeah, that's the worst. It still makes him happy, though, and both he and the Inquisitor have seen enough death and actual suffering.

Indeed, and like I said earlier after you left, I was using hyperbole when I said I couldn't see the appeal at all. I brought the orlesian thing up though since I knew you didn't like that Hehe.

[Caddius]

Actually what I found interesting with Cole is that his story suggests a demon may become a spirit again, if it regains it's true purpose. I am referencing here Cole's story when he was originally discovered by the templars, Rhys and Evangeline.

 

Did anyone else also understood his story this way?

 

 

You know what's funny? I actually just realized that I didn't notice a difference between the Void and the Fade during my DA:O playthrough: I was playing in my native language (Polish) and both words were translated the same way. So just until now the Void and the Fade have been the same things to me. But it's obvious now that these are different places.

 

Now I re-read the description of Anvil of the Void mission and the Fade description on DA wiki and these are the speculations I came up with:

 

- the existing (real) world is Fade+Thedas, separated by the Veil. One is reflection of another and both are shaped by each other (Fade is shaped from dreams, nightmares and all kinds of emotions of Thedas; many spirits/demons are attracted to Thedas and can change it by their actions, for example by possessing a mage). So they are like 2 sides of the same coin or maybe a better comparison: an object and it's mirror reflection. Relation between Fade and Thedas: reciprocity.

 

- the real world is placed in the Void which is a non-world (I'll explain this soon), however it seems there is some connection between the Void and the blood. Caridin creates golems in his Anvil of the Void by using blood magic and not by binding spirits into golems, so it seems the Void has possibility to create/transform but only the material beings and not spirits?

Relation between Void and real world: opposition.

 

Why do I speculate the Void is a non-world? Again by reading the legend of Mythal as Great Protector codex entry, particularly this part:

 

And that night, when the sun had gone to sleep, Mythal gathered the glowing earth around his bed, and formed it into a sphere to be placed in the sky, a pale reflection of the sun's true glory.

 

I envision the "sphere placed in the sky" as the real world (Fade+Thedas) while the sky here is the Void. I just don't understand if it's the sky which is "a pale reflection of the sun's true glory"? Does this means again that everything potentially destructive in the world of Thedas comes from the Sun, in opposition to the Earth?

 

 

I had just 1 Cousland, only because of curiosity, hunger of royal power and possibility of making Alistair happy at the same time (still dumping him with Zevran though ). But my real babies are Mrs Mahariels in few playthroughs, including the very first DA:O one!
 

I have this bizarre fixation with the Polish language for being completely incomprehensible to me besides the odd word I've learned from The Witcher.  It just sounds so interesting. And the pronunciation guides for English-speakers are a hoot.

'Pravda' is a Polish word, right? It means something like 'Okay,' Or 'Alright, I'll slay the draug for you'? 

Anyways, ignoring my general fascination with all things Slavic, I think the specific line about the 'pale reflection of the sun's glory' sounds a lot like your typical description of the moon. It could certainly be what you say, and I like your ideas. I'm just too tired to really add to them at the moment. 

 

Colonel: I think you and I have the opposite in personality.   My friends have said that I would look intimidating, with the beard and height and furry brows and all, if I was silent. Because, "Well, you kinda sound like a gay British schoolboy."

When I asked my SO about that, she protested, "You sound more Canadian than anything! Those jerks!" 

And generally speaking, I get sick to my stomach whenever animals are hurt, I've cried at documentaries of genocides and racial and religious oppression, (and the Library of Alexandria burning down.) and I'm much more inclined to sit around and read and play games than do any physical activity, much less 'sport'. And I am entirely too polite for my own good most of the time. I've never been able to turn down a telemarketer without wishing them a happy day, or chatting with the Mormon missionaries at my door about mutual friends and how their passports are coming along.

The 'debate' portion of our old Government and History classes introduced them all to a very different side of me. If I raised my head from my map sketches at someone's comment on a hot topic and raised a hand, everyone got really nervous. 

So, along with other reasons, I saw many similarities between Solas and I, especially when I contrasted his gentle view on spirits and his very critical, hot-blooded arguments about the Qun. (It's not narcissistic, romancing the characater that I most identify with, if I also romance Dorian and Cassandra almost as much, is it?  )

All of this information was for the benefit of our forum creeper, Flabbadence, of course.

[Pinax]

(...)
But that can work both ways. Lavellan has the opportunity to become more spirit-like due to the mark.

 

Good point.

 

I think the ruthlessness perfectly matches Solas's fluffy personality, to be honest. As he says, 'the healer has the bloodiest hands'. As a good man, he's willing to make himself miserable in pursuit of a high and noble goal. I wonder if one of the reasons that you hate Loghain but like Solas is that Solas's goals (appear) to be more wide-reaching? That is, they're more palatable goals to most people. As much as I love Loghain, he does everything for his country, often putting his countrymen off. He shrugs off selling the Alienage elves into slavery, despite slavering at the mouth about how Ferelden was 'enslaved for a century!' And if ever there was a man who resembled the petty and cruel Orlesian occupiers, it's Arl Howe. So Loghain is patriotism turned on its head, a rebel trying to get things back to how they were, to keep foreign influence out. He's become embittered by how the nobility has treated him and how life in general has treated him, and the paranoia and military instinct and dislike of Cailan led him to make a single decision at Ostagar that kicked off a chain reaction of events where he sees the Renegade response as the only option truly available to him. And it's only at the Landsmeet that he realizes just how far and how fast he's fallen.

Solas isn't so much an attempt to put things back to how they were, but to how they should be. Idealism, again. Free-will, all races accepted, mages not held under the Templar yoke, the common people not fearing magic, but instead respecting the wonders it can create. A world with an understanding of spirits that never binds them in blood rituals. A world where the People can stand proudly. I'd guess that he's been working toward this goal for a long time, and that everything backfired beforehand. If he held back before, I doubt he'll repeat the mistake. Last time he shared power, he was betrayed. Now he's the seeming lone survivor of the Creators, and the only one who can do it. 

At least, that's my guess. I'm sleepy and rambling more than usual.

I also hated Loghain and, to be honest, this was only because straight from the beginning he was swagging on my Warden, then he betrayed her and Alistair and then had several attempts to kill them and ruin their idealistic plans. Solas never did this.

 

Maybe it's simple as that, but even if Loghain/Solas comparison is convincing, I don't look at them the same way, maybe because Loghain was always in my PT on the other side of the barricade, while Solas was my team mate.

 

The ruthless Solas part is convincing though, I also see him as a person who can rationalize everything (besides his feelings to Lavellen ) and being able to take tough decisions, despite his overall fluffiness. I heard a saying that too much mercy leads to too much cruelty and I think Solas is a kind of person who would acknowledge that as well. All I see in him is that most of his actions are driven by his sense of responsibility for him and "the People", whatever his long term plans are. Imho even overresponsibility, as I tend to ask myself: do really the modern Thedas "People" need the Dread Wolf so much? I think their future is Sera and Briala.

[Siha]

Well there's nothing wrong with ruthlessness in politics per se, it's just that this doesn't seem to gel very well with the fluffy side of Solas. And there is a fluffy side to Solas.

 

Which is..? I doubt "fluffy" is the word I'd use to describe anything about him.

 

I think I'm opposite in that people see me as this tough manly man and don't realize I have a fluffy side, lol.

 

Really? You don't need to worry about that here. You hide your tough manliness really well under all your lol in this thread.

 

Actually what I found interesting with Cole is that his story suggests a demon may become a spirit again, if it regains it's true purpose. I am referencing here Cole's story when he was originally discovered by the templars, Rhys and Evangeline.

 

This is an interesting thought. But if it's true I wonder why Solas did not try to help his friend? Could she not have been "transformed back" into her previous self in that case?

[Siha]

I have this bizarre fixation with the Polish language for being completely incomprehensible to me besides the odd word I've learned from The Witcher.  It just sounds so interesting. And the pronunciation guides for English-speakers are a hoot.

'Pravda' is a Polish word, right? It means something like 'Okay,' Or 'Alright, I'll slay the draug for you'? 

 

Nope, sorry. Pravda is the truth (see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda).

(The paper is Russian, but Russian and Polish both have "prawda/pravda", same meaning.)

[Maria13]

 
Lol thank you, and I agree, this thread's the best corner of the forums. Good people all around.
 
And speaking of Blackwall, there's a good point for team optimism. When Blackwall's secret comes out, remember what Solas says?
 
"I was wrong, you and I are nothing alike at all."
 
Thank God. Or, Fen'harel, amiright?

 

 

It's very much what he means by that, of course, if he means he would never let anyone take a fall for him yes, if it means he would allow someone to take a fall for him in order to achieve his objective, then no. 

 

He could also mean that he would never pretend to be anything other than what he actually is... Solas bends the truth but he never outright lies...

 

As usual with Solas, it all depends on interpretation and context and we are only seeing a tiny portion of the mosaic.

Modifié par Maria13, 01 février 2015 - 01:41 .

[Elista]

 Why do I speculate the Void is a non-world? Again by reading the legend of Mythal as Great Protector codex entry, particularly this part:
 
And that night, when the sun had gone to sleep, Mythal gathered the glowing earth around his bed, and formed it into a sphere to be placed in the sky, a pale reflection of the sun's true glory.
 
I envision the "sphere placed in the sky" as the real world (Fade+Thedas) while the sky here is the Void. I just don't understand if it's the sky which is "a pale reflection of the sun's true glory"? Does this means again that everything potentially destructive in the world of Thedas comes from the Sun, in opposition to the Earth?

I thought the sphere was the moon ?

[Caddius]

Nope, sorry. Pravda is the truth (see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda).

(The paper is Russian, but Russian and Polish both have "prawda/pravda", same meaning.)

Well, I--I-

Close enough!

[Colonelkillabee]

 

 

Really? You don't need to worry about that here. You hide your tough manliness really well under all your lol in this thread.

 

 

Oh yea, I'm the kind of guy that's fixing cars, doing handiman work, keeping knives sharpened, that kind of thing. I used to hunt when I was younger and help grandpa skin and gut pigs and chicken. I'm six foot four, played football in school.

 

BUT, I write poetry, now I write smut, lol, I make songs, do Origami, and read things probably not expected of me. Or did, I don't read as much anymore. Besides fanfiction stuff, and now dragon age stuff. I don't hide it though, people just don't usually ask, so I don't tell. Oh, and I love singing.

[Siha]

Well, I--I-

Close enough!

 

Truth!

 

[Pinax]

I have this bizarre fixation with the Polish language for being completely incomprehensible to me besides the odd word I've learned from The Witcher.  It just sounds so interesting. And the pronunciation guides for English-speakers are a hoot.

'Pravda' is a Polish word, right? It means something like 'Okay,' Or 'Alright, I'll slay the draug for you'? 

Anyways, ignoring my general fascination with all things Slavic, I think the specific line about the 'pale reflection of the sun's glory' sounds a lot like your typical description of the moon. It could certainly be what you say, and I like your ideas. I'm just too tired to really add to them at the moment. 

(....)

Hahaha, didn't think of anything as simple as the moon, silly me! Ok, I need to erase this from my theory, however I tend to think there is something about the sky (the big breach threatening the world is actually made in the sky, after all, right? I hope not just to make it look fancier )

 

As for "pravda" (prawda, actually) - it's a Polish word, indeed and litterally it means "truth", but, yeah, you can use it also as sign of agreement, also for slaying draugs or any other monster/demonic creatures with your silver sword Any time you'll feel the bizarre fixation on Polish, I'm happy to help, hehe.

[Siha]

Oh yea, I'm the kind of guy that's fixing cars, doing handiman work, keeping knives sharpened, that kind of thing. I used to hunt when I was younger and help grandpa skin and gut pigs and chicken. I'm six foot four, played football in school.

 

BUT, I write poetry, now I write smut, lol, I make songs, do Origami, and read things probably not expected of me. Or did, I don't read as much anymore. Besides fanfiction stuff, and now dragon age stuff. I don't hide it though, people just don't usually ask, so I don't tell. Oh, and I love singing.

 

You really don't have to defend yourself. You know, women love fluffy guys, just take look around here.

However, you could make a song for this thread, no? Solas Discussion Thread Theme song!

[Caddius]

Oh yea, I'm the kind of guy that's fixing cars, doing handiman work, keeping knives sharpened, that kind of thing. I used to hunt when I was younger and help grandpa skin and gut pigs and chicken. I'm six foot four, played football in school.

 

BUT, I write poetry, now I write smut, lol, I make songs, do Origami, and read things probably not expected of me. Or did, I don't read as much anymore. Besides fanfiction stuff, and now dragon age stuff. I don't hide it though, people just don't usually ask, so I don't tell. Oh, and I love singing.

http://tvtropes.org/...RealMenWearPink

http://tvtropes.org/.../CulturedBadass?

Siha, the Colonel has already made the rap anthem of the Solvaellan thread. 

[Siha]

As for "pravda" (prawda, actually) - it's a Polish word, indeed and litterally it means "truth", but, yeah, you can use it also as sign of agreement, also for slaying draugs or any other monster/demonic creatures with your silver sword Any time you'll feel the bizarre fixation on Polish, I'm happy to help, hehe.

 

You're Polish? In Poland? Can you please go to the CD Project studios and execute some fangirl behaviour for me? Nothing extraordinary, no worries, just camping outside, screaming, and annoying every person who enters or leaves with "Why did you delay the release?!" (In Polish of course... whatever that would be.)

[Colonelkillabee]

You really don't have to defend yourself. You know, women love fluffy guys, just take look around here.

However, you could make a song for this thread, no? Solas Discussion Thread Theme song!

 

http://tvtropes.org/...RealMenWearPink

http://tvtropes.org/.../CulturedBadass?

Siha, the Colonel has already made the rap anthem of the Solvaellan thread. 

I was just about to mention that Not a song song, but I think I prefer the rap over a poem or something

 

Oh, and I'd never be caught dead in pink unless it was to support breast cancer awareness But sure, close enough.