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[Caddius]

Yeah I see you're using the elven calendar.  I tend to use the Chantry one as it breaks things up a bit and I find referencing ages to be a bit easier for myself.  And it was the first one I was introduced to in DAO.

 

So he has pretty much only been asleep since the time of Andraste.

Yeah I got sick of having to convert everything into the Andrastian calendar and back. Elven glory for the win! 

The Mythal=Andraste and Solas=Shartan theory can still work. Whose to say he wasn't using the Orb to cause the great destruction Cathaire was talking about? He probably took a nap after handling the gods, and then woke up sporadically and did stuff and then had to sleep some more. Or we could just be theorizing over a throwaway line where a dev didn't feel like writing out the specific number of years, and 'a thousand' just sounded cool.

EDIT: Can you guys test this to see if it's public? I've heard varying reports on whether or not people can hop on our wiki. 

http://virdirthan.wi...rdized Timeline

[flabbadence]

Yeah he called Halamshiral (which had been the capital of the Elven Dales) a fumbling attempt to recreate Arlathan.  But then if you take him to Elgar'nan's Bastion in the Emerald Graves he'll say, My people built a life here .. it must have been something to see.  And there's just this sense of wonder and regret in his voice.  Our boy Solas has such conflicting feelings about modern elves.  Even the elves of the Elven Dales weren't "ancient elves" to him even if they're really old by current standards.  I mean, that was what?  700 years ago or so?  The Exalted March against the Dales was in the Glory Age I think.

 

I'm pretty sure there were already ancient elven ruins in the Dales, even before the Dalish reclaimed them. So Din'an Hanin where you find the emerald knights may very well have been standing there since Arlathan.

[Elessara]

Yeah I got sick of having to convert everything into the Andrastian calendar and back. Elven glory for the win! 

The Mythal=Andraste and Solas=Shartan theory can still work. Whose to say he wasn't using the Orb to cause the great destruction Cathaire was talking about? He probably took a nap after handling the gods, and then woke up sporadically and did stuff and then had to sleep some more. Or we could just be theorizing over a throwaway line where a dev didn't feel like writing out the specific number of years, and 'a thousand' just sounded cool.

 

They should never just throw out info because it sounds cool.  I know they do sometimes but they shouldn't!  Fans comb through every scrap of information they can possibly find and have done so since computer games were created (probably).  Especially with games with such a long in game history.  And then they have to recon or come out and say well we didn't mean it that way.  

[vierrae]

Things got awesome in the Solas Chat today. So I made you all a Wolf Hunt DLC GIF.

Thanks to everyone who participated and cheered me on through to the morning light! HERE'S LOOKING AT YOU JADE AND RABBIT.

You can find it on my tumblr!

Also guys, totally want to know what your Lavellan's personal rant to him in this GIF would be. I NEED TO KNOW.

Now I'm dying of all these tender emotions. The feels 

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[Caddius]

I'm pretty sure there were already ancient elven ruins in the Dales, even before the Dalish reclaimed them. So Din'an Hanin where you find the emerald knights may very well have been standing there since Arlathan.

I'm not sure if I've found Elgar'nan's bastion. 

As for the Din'an Hanin, I think there's some evidence of there being multiple layers over centuries. Kind of like what the Codex entry about Skyhold talks about. So I'm guessing that the Dales were one of those isolated Elvhen colonies, and that that was one reason the elves were granted that as a territory. (That, and it wasn't prime real estate.)

[Illyria]

I just had an interesting banter between Viv and Solas.  She accuses him of 'enjoying seeing yourself as the villian.'  He replies that it's common amoung people who like to see how far they can be pushed.

[flabbadence]

They should never just throw out info because it sounds cool.  I know they do sometimes but they shouldn't!  Fans comb through every scrap of information they can possibly find and have done so since computer games were created (probably).  Especially with games with such a long in game history.  And then they have to recon or come out and say well we didn't mean it that way.  

 

I don't know, I agree they shouldn't, but I don't think it can be helped. It's primarily the writers who care about the lore, but it's not just writers who make the game. You have programmers, artists, QA testers, producers, and so on and so forth, and production's going to last for a few years at least. It's impossible to make sure there won't be mistakes made during that time, or little things placed where they shouldn't be, especially in such a big company.

[jellobell]

EDIT: Can you guys test this to see if it's public? I've heard varying reports on whether or not people can hop on our wiki. 

http://virdirthan.wi...rdized Timeline

Can't see it, unfortunately. It's asking me to sign in.

[Elessara]

I'm pretty sure there were already ancient elven ruins in the Dales, even before the Dalish reclaimed them. So Din'an Hanin where you find the emerald knights may very well have been standing there since Arlathan.

 

Possibly but we don't really have any ... hmmm ... proof(?)  that Din'an Hanin was an ancient elven ruin before they buried the Emerald Knights there.  Or, I don't recall seeing anything that would suggest that these ruins are older than the Elven Dales (which is already pretty old according to our standards).  Unless I'm missing something which is entirely possible.

[TanisLave]

Yeah I got sick of having to convert everything into the Andrastian calendar and back. Elven glory for the win! 

The Mythal=Andraste and Solas=Shartan theory can still work. Whose to say he wasn't using the Orb to cause the great destruction Cathaire was talking about? He probably took a nap after handling the gods, and then woke up sporadically and did stuff and then had to sleep some more. Or we could just be theorizing over a throwaway line where a dev didn't feel like writing out the specific number of years, and 'a thousand' just sounded cool.

EDIT: Can you guys test this to see if it's public? I've heard varying reports on whether or not people can hop on our wiki. 

http://virdirthan.wi...rdized Timeline

 

Link doesn't work for me! Ps. 

 

solasss. - from http://pictureamoebae.tumblr.com/

[LobselVith8]

I was just wondering, would you guys like the idea of solas giving the inquisitor te spirit of mythal?

 

You mean her divinity? My Lavellan would accept it. Solas and Revas can then embark on saving the People. With Cole, they're the three amigos.

[Colonelkillabee]

I just had an interesting banter between Viv and Solas.  She accuses him of 'enjoying seeing yourself as the villian.'  He replies that it's common amoung people who like to see how far they can be pushed.

I wonder if it also has to do with guilt and self loathing.

[almasy87]

Now I'm dying of all these tender emotions. The feels 

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Guys, I've got a question, dunno if it was discussed before. Do you think that the spirit of Wisdom knows about Solas/Fen'harel? Judging from the dialogue with Cole, it seems like the spirit knew that Solas was "special" but not exactly what he was.. Or am I wrong?

[Maria13]

I think that it could also mean that while both men betrayed those closest to them, ran away and changed their names, Solas did so because the other Elven Gods were out of control and causing harm to the People by their actions, whereas Blackwall did so for money and let his men take the fall for him.

 

Likewise, while Solas might not have come clean to anyone about who he is or what he did, he at least never pretended to be a good man like Blackwall had for so many years, since he never saw his past actions as being "good", just something that was necessary.

 

(Not to throw hate on Blackwall, since he did legitimately become a good man in the end, but his initial betrayal was far more self-serving than Solas')

 

Well yeah or the fact that Blackwall betrayed for money not due to principles... Solas is hot on principles, which somewhat contradicts his practical nature. 

 

As was said above, he is a well-rounded character.

[TanisLave]

Possibly but we don't really have any ... hmmm ... proof(?)  that Din'an Hanin was an ancient elven ruin before they buried the Emerald Knights there.  Or, I don't recall seeing anything that would suggest that these ruins are older than the Elven Dales (which is already pretty old according to our standards).  Unless I'm missing something which is entirely possible.

 

Could be like Skyhold, where the elves just re-built upon old Elvhen ruins?

[Elessara]

Link doesn't work for me! Ps. 

 

Link doesn't work for me either.

[Caddius]

Possibly but we don't really have any ... hmmm ... proof(?)  that Din'an Hanin was an ancient elven ruin before they buried the Emerald Knights there.  Or, I don't recall seeing anything that would suggest that these ruins are older than the Elven Dales (which is already pretty old according to our standards).  Unless I'm missing something which is entirely possible.

Many pages ago, Liz had an analysis showing the very varied architectural styles, art, and icons of worship. I'm not sure how to dig it up. The most startling thing was that it had the 'Thing in the Dark' statues, which seem to be representations of Dumat at some point.

I have no idea how to make the Vir'dir'than wiki public. I'm sending Madrar a PM to let my people go.

[Illyria]

 DO eet!

Guys, I've got a question, dunno if it was discussed before. Do you think that the spirit of Wisdom knows about Solas/Fen'harel? Judging from the dialogue with Cole, it seems like the spirit knew that Solas was "special" but not exactly what he was.. Or am I wrong?

 

The spirit speaks to him in elven and is one of his oldest friends, so it's very likely it knew who he was.

[Elessara]

I'm not sure if I've found Elgar'nan's bastion. 

As for the Din'an Hanin, I think there's some evidence of there being multiple layers over centuries. Kind of like what the Codex entry about Skyhold talks about. So I'm guessing that the Dales were one of those isolated Elvhen colonies, and that that was one reason the elves were granted that as a territory. (That, and it wasn't prime real estate.)

 

Din'an Hanin is in the Elgar'nan's Bastion area of the Emerald Graves.  So if you've been to Din'an Hanin then you've been to Elgar'nan's Bastion.  When Solas says that about his people building a life there, it's one of those random area comments you get from companions occasionally.

[LobselVith8]

I wonder if Morrigan leaves the Eluvian.  I would want her to.  I mean she can't very well cart that thing around hiking through the mountains, unless she's get "hermione's magical bottomless bag" or something.

 

I imagine that it already served it's purpose, since part of Morrigan's goal was apparently the Well of Sorrows. Regardless, I'm keeping it.

[Elessara]

You mean her divinity? My Lavellan would accept it. Solas and Revas can then embark on saving the People. With Cole, they're the three amigos.

 

And Cole even has the hat for it!

[flabbadence]

I'm not sure if I've found Elgar'nan's bastion. 

As for the Din'an Hanin, I think there's some evidence of there being multiple layers over centuries. Kind of like what the Codex entry about Skyhold talks about. So I'm guessing that the Dales were one of those isolated Elvhen colonies, and that that was one reason the elves were granted that as a territory. (That, and it wasn't prime real estate.)

 

Did a bit of searching and apparently Elgar'nan's Bastion = Din'an Hanin.

 

 

So Din'an Hanin must have been what it was called while it was still under Elvhenan, then it was renamed Elgar'nan's Bastion when the Dalish reclaimed it, possibly because they don't remember the original name.

 

Edit: 

[jellobell]

I just had an interesting banter between Viv and Solas.  She accuses him of 'enjoying seeing yourself as the villian.'  He replies that it's common amoung people who like to see how far they can be pushed.

Oh! That's a good one. I think it's in reference to supporting the mages.

 

Here's the full banter:

 

[Maria13]

Good point.

 

I also hated Loghain and, to be honest, this was only because straight from the beginning he was swagging on my Warden, then he betrayed her and Alistair and then had several attempts to kill them and ruin their idealistic plans. Solas never did this.

 

Maybe it's simple as that, but even if Loghain/Solas comparison is convincing, I don't look at them the same way, maybe because Loghain was always in my PT on the other side of the barricade, while Solas was my team mate.

 

The ruthless Solas part is convincing though, I also see him as a person who can rationalize everything (besides his feelings to Lavellen ) and being able to take tough decisions, despite his overall fluffiness. I heard a saying that too much mercy leads to too much cruelty and I think Solas is a kind of person who would acknowledge that as well. All I see in him is that most of his actions are driven by his sense of responsibility for him and "the People", whatever his long term plans are. Imho even overresponsibility, as I tend to ask myself: do really the modern Thedas "People" need the Dread Wolf so much? I think their future is Sera and Briala.

 

I just never warmed to the guy, people said read "The Stolen Throne" well I read the stolen throne and still loathed him... Probably because the game never goes out of its way to render him sympathetically, he comes over as a SOB and a cold SOB at that...

 

All this stuff:

 

A wolf: intelligent and practical but could be seen as a monster.

A healer with bloody hands

Too much mercy, leads to too much cruelty...

An efficient machivellian...

 

All Solas. All awesome.

[Elessara]

Did a bit of searching and apparently Elgar'nan's Bastion = Din'an Hanin.

 

 

So Din'an Hanin must have been what it was called while it was still under Elvhenan, then it was renamed Elgar'nan's Bastion when the Dalish reclaimed it, possibly because they don't remember the original name.

 

Taven calls it Din'an Hanin so they must have figured it out as some point - if that was even the original Elvhen name.