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[Sister Squish]

HOLD UP can we talk about this banter for a second?

 

Cole: They can only return to the Maker if they become real. Why can’t they be forgiven as they are?
Solas: People say they lack the ability to learn or grow.
Cole: Yes.
Solas: But the more contact you have with this world, the more ability you gain. 
Cole: Why would they want to prove the Maker wrong? He’s already far away. 
Solas: It isn’t about right and wrong. It’s about attention, when you think you have been forgotten. 
Cole: And rolling the ball so it goes in the hole.
Vivienne: You should not encourage that thing.
Cole: Solas isn’t a thing.
Vivienne: I was not talking about Solas.

 

Who are they talking about, do you think? At first I thought it was humans, because there's that real bit again and wanting to be forgiven by the Maker. But then Solas says "they" lack the ability to learn and grow, and doesn't that chime into spirits more? And what is this about "rolling the ball"?

 

It makes me think of playing Pool/Snooker. When somebody you are playing with gets frustrated, and instead of playing by the rules, walks over to the ball and rolls the ball into the hole themselves (cheating). "Lacking the ability to learn and grow" could apply to either spirits or the Old Gods? 

 

Now I re-read the description of Anvil of the Void mission and the Fade description on DA wiki and these are the speculations I came up with:

 

- the existing (real) world is Fade+Thedas, separated by the Veil. One is reflection of another and both are shaped by each other (Fade is shaped from dreams, nightmares and all kinds of emotions of Thedas; many spirits/demons are attracted to Thedas and can change it by their actions, for example by possessing a mage). So they are like 2 sides of the same coin or maybe a better comparison: an object and it's mirror reflection. Relation between Fade and Thedas: reciprocity.

 

- the real world is placed in the Void which is a non-world (I'll explain this soon), however it seems there is some connection between the Void and the blood. Caridin creates golems in his Anvil of the Void by using blood magic and not by binding spirits into golems, so it seems the Void has possibility to create/transform but only the material beings and not spirits?

Relation between Void and real world: opposition.

 

Why do I speculate the Void is a non-world? Again by reading the legend of Mythal as Great Protector codex entry, particularly this part:

 

And that night, when the sun had gone to sleep, Mythal gathered the glowing earth around his bed, and formed it into a sphere to be placed in the sky, a pale reflection of the sun's true glory.

 

I envision the "sphere placed in the sky" as the real world (Fade+Thedas) while the sky here is the Void. I just don't understand if it's the sky which is "a pale reflection of the sun's true glory"? Does this means again that everything potentially destructive in the world of Thedas comes from the Sun, in opposition to the Earth?

 

Ohhh this is awesome! 

Add on the idea of Sun as the source of ka, the "first children", he would be super pissed with Mythal creating the world of "second children" in union with the source of "fade". 

What a hussy! 

[Aravasia]

I took a quick look and the first off the bat that caught my eye is Andraste as an old god baby.

 

I agree and have said the same thing before, though I'm not entirely sure about Dumat=Mythal. I do know that for Morrigan to have learned this ritual though, someone would need to have performed it before, and the elves contributed knowledge to the grey warden ritual from what they had left from Ancient Arlathan... So Flemeth is the obvious one responsible for teaching Morrigan this ritual, which has interesting implications.

 

Also, Andraste's tale matches up well with Kieran. They both had "troubling dreams", but of course, Andraste was the one claiming it was the "Maker".

 

And the whispers and being spoken to, all that aligns with what Kieran said (am I spelling that boy's name right?) It aligns with what Corypheus said, it aligns with the whispers we hear after drinking the well, and it aligns with the whispers we hear in Origins when darkspawn suddenly pop up, not to mention grey wardens that said they heard this sort of thing too.

And of course, the biggest hint is the cult claiming Andraste was a high dragon... that can't be coincidence, or just some quirky Bioware thing. That'd be so lame if so. And it would explain Tevinter's claims that she was a mage. Beyond "Hurr durr we luv mages 5ever."

 

I completely forgot about that Cult worshipping Andraste as a high-dragon, that would definitely make more sense if the theory were true. I've also speculated before that Tevinter may have a more accurate version of both the Maker and Andraste. I am inclined to believe that she actually was a mage, especially if she was an Old God Baby. And what is that whisper?? The Calling? But one thing that sticks out is that the Old Gods apparently call out to the darkspawn even before they are tainted. This would suggest that it is not restricted to only being blighted in nature. 

[Colonelkillabee]

I completely forgot about that Cult worshipping Andraste as a high-dragon, that would definitely make more sense if the theory were true. I've also speculated before that Tevinter may have a more accurate version of both the Maker and Andraste. I am inclined to believe that she actually was a mage, especially if she was an Old God Baby. And what is that whisper?? The Calling? But one thing that sticks out is that the Old Gods apparently call out to the darkspawn even before they are tainted. This would suggest that it is not restricted to only being blighted in nature. 

Exactly, and I agree. With Mythal doing it to us, us hearing it with the darkspawn, and so on, even reading about the old gods doing this for the Tevinter Magisters, and of course Kieran, I think it's a safe assumption that Andraste had more going on than the Maker. And I'm fully on board with her being an old god baby. I'm not yet convinced she was flemeth, but I do agree there's some connection there.

[Aravasia]

Exactly, and I agree. With Mythal doing it to us, us hearing it with the darkspawn, and so on, even reading about the old gods doing this for the Tevinter Magisters, and of course Kieran, I think it's a safe assumption that Andraste had more going on than the Maker. And I'm fully on board with her being an old god baby. I'm not yet convinced she was flemeth, but I do agree there's some connection there.

And after playing DAI I think we all know how grand coincidences can end up making the populace think you had some divinely connection. (Well, I mean you kind of did, if you count Solas.. And Corypheus...and Mythal.) Well, anyway, they think you have the Maker's help. But then we, as the player, know just how much more complicated it is than that. I believe it's likely that Andraste's adventures were written as way too literally and simplified. I also don't believe that Andraste was Flemeth, I believe that the story about Flemeth being a mortal woman betrayed by her husband, Conobar, was true, and she states as much herself. I do believe there is a possibility that she is a descendant of Andraste though, having received the soul of Mythal after it left her previous ancestor. 

[Colonelkillabee]

And after playing DAI I think we all know how grand coincidences can end up making the populace think you had some divinely connection. (Well, I mean you kind of did, if you count Solas.. And Corypheus...and Mythal.) Well, anyway, they think you have the Maker's help. But then we, as the player, know just how much more complicated it is than that. I believe it's likely that Andraste's adventures were written as way too literally and simplified. I also don't believe that Andraste was Flemeth, I believe that the story about Flemeth being a mortal woman betrayed by her husband, Conobar, was true, and she states as much herself. I do believe there is a possibility that she is a descendant of Andraste though, having received the soul of Mythal after it left her previous ancestor. 

It is pretty "coincidental" that they were both said to have only daughters. Did it say what helped her give birth? Because the lore claims before that she couldn't have children.

 

Morrigan said she always wondered if she was her true biological daughter. That'd also support the idea, with Andraste not even being able to have kids.

 

Especially when they both only ever had daughters, as if picked.

[Sashimi_taco]

I love your videos!! Thought I disagree about something you said about Thane but! hahah opinions x3 

 

I hated him at first. He grew on me.

[Aravasia]

It is pretty "coincidental" that they were both said to have only daughters. Did it say what helped her give birth? Because the lore claims before that she couldn't have children.

 

Morrigan said she always wondered if she was her true biological daughter. That'd also support the idea, with Andraste not even being able to have kids.

 

Especially when they both only ever had daughters, as if picked.

 

Here is the Codex entry: http://dragonage.wik...ren_of_Andraste

 

It doesn't really go into why, just an "and out of the blue!" explanation. It does say that she had two daughters, one whom had a daughter of her own, but that had perished. And then another daughter whom ran away with a Tevinter mage (the little minx.) And of course...she had only daughters, whom also had only daughters. Hence why the bloodline was lost. We know that Flemeth has other daughters, such as Yavana, and unless she 'adopted' her as well (I can just imagine Flemeth going around kidnapping babies) then I am inclined to believe that they are of her blood. Plus, her and Morrigan just look so much alike, I would be surprised. How she had her, is another matter. Flemeth is pretty old. Maybe Morrigan's story about her shape-shifting and seducing men might be true. Another theory is that Maric is Morrigan's father, and that's what her and Maric were doing in the hut when they had their little 'discussion' in the Stolen Throne. Though, that puts a whole new twist on the Dark Ritual. I believe it's unlikely we will ever get a clear answer on Morrigan's father either way. But, I am inclined to believe that they are indeed blood related. Who knows, maybe Morrigan is even her granddaughter. 

[Sister Squish]

Possibly but we don't really have any ... hmmm ... proof(?)  that Din'an Hanin was an ancient elven ruin before they buried the Emerald Knights there.  Or, I don't recall seeing anything that would suggest that these ruins are older than the Elven Dales (which is already pretty old according to our standards).  Unless I'm missing something which is entirely possible.

 

Many pages ago, Liz had an analysis showing the very varied architectural styles, art, and icons of worship. I'm not sure how to dig it up. The most startling thing was that it had the 'Thing in the Dark' statues, which seem to be representations of Dumat at some point.

I have no idea how to make the Vir'dir'than wiki public. I'm sending Madrar a PM to let my people go.

 

Here you go.  #mordinscienceteam

[Colonelkillabee]

Eeewww, that would make Alistair and her siblings or at least related... Scandalous enough for me to believe it, lol. That would make it even worse for people that let Alistair do the ritual.

[flabbadence]

Hello I am back

 

Warning, this is really long. I figured I'd just cramp it all into a master post with different sections. This way you can skip the theories you are already familiar with/have no interest in. Though, they are all built upon each-other somewhat. I tried to form these on as much evidence as I could gather. Some of them are more loosely based, and this is all just speculation, but I am hoping you all may be able to add to or deduct them based on what you, yourselves, have found. 

 

First is about the possibility of Andraste having been an Old God Baby:

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Taken from The World of Thedas:

-203 Ancient: Coordinating a massive army from Thedas, the Grey Wardens defeat the Archdemon Dumat at the Battle of the Silent Plains, ending the First Blight.

-203 Ancient: The prophet Andraste is born in Ferelden.

 

It may just be a huge coincidence, but it does lead towards the possibility of Andraste being an Old God Baby. Then there is this codex detaling on how Andraste's bloodline consisted of only daughters. It is possible that the Old God soul has been passed on from daughter to daughter until reaching Flemeth.

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Whom now intends for the soul to be passed on to Morrigan, according to the mined developer notes.

Also, meaning that Mythal is Dumat. This is furthered with the Silentir astrarium:

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http://dragonage.wik...ation:_Silentir

 

Additionally, there is some similar iconography associated with the two figures:

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-notice the headpiece. Though, Meredith wears the same thing. I am guessing her motivation was to mirror Andraste, but why Flemeth wears it may just be another small, well tiny perhaps, hint of the relationship between the two. 

 

Then there's also this:

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Taken in the final battle from a user on Reddit: http://www.reddit.co...f_sacred_ashes/

 

Mythal's mosiac in the Temple of Sacred Ashes, as in, where Andraste's ashes were, and the only mosiac in the entire temple. I honestly can't think of a rational explanation to this, other than there being some type of relationship between the two. Another user in the previous thread speculated that it may have just been that the building was built upon old Elven ruins, without knowing their original foundations, but, combined with everything, I believe it makes a rather compelling case. 

 

The next one is Draconis, the 'unkown' eighth God. And also Solas centered for you ladies. 

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(I just copied and pasted this one, so the post is a bit out of context, but you get the general idea.)

 

More incoming, I loaded up my game and I think I found something(!!!) 

 

So, here I am, going back to the Draconis astrarium, and I finish with a pretty little symbol:

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And I thought, hey, I know that symbol! I am in the midst of my current DA2 playthrough, and that symbol is painted on every little nook and cranny of Kirkwall:

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So, I scour the wiki in a quest of answers. And I stumble upon this jewel in the entry for Kirkwall's symbol:

 

"This stylized knot work representation of a dragon evolved from a symbol of rebellion etched into countless walls during the time when Kirkwall was a center for the Tevinter slave trade. It was an image that catalyzed the slaves who overthrew the ruling magisters, and while the symbol has changed, its meaning has not: Kirkwall is a city unto itself, beholden to no one."

 

A dragon evolved from a symbol of rebellion. And the codex entry for Fen'Harel as the God of Rebellion in Mythal's Temple:

http://dragonage.wik...:_The_Rebel_God

 

Well, I can guess why he was struck from the records, the magisters and other gods must have hated him. 

That red symbol is painted over the standard Kirkwall symbol only in the lower parts of the city (Lowtown and Darktown.) Also, recall that Kirkwall had a slave rebellion before it officially became Kirkwall. I can just imagine the implications if slaves rose up in Fen'Harel's name, whether he was leading them or not. I believe that would be enough for them to strike him from record. Either way, I believe this may be more slight evidence towards the Old Gods being the Pantheon, and which God Draconis is. 

 

So, thoughts? Is it true? Am I mad crafting theorist going off of nothing? 

 

Annnnd here's where it just gets more into speculation with light evidence, but still possible. This is about the connection between Mythal and the Maker:

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Digging into Andraste's sermons, and I find these:

 

First is the codex entry for Here Lies the Abyss:

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http://dragonage.wik..._Lies_the_Abyss

I believed that this might be a possible reference to Well of Sorrows. Googling this, and I come upon an exerpt from The Calling: 

 

In it, Maric and Fiona stumble upon an underground lake, and Maric quotes the lines from Andraste's Sermons. Now, here is the good part:

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"Here lies the abyss, the well of all souls. From these emerald waters doth life begin anew." He raised an eyebrow when he saw she didn't recognize the quote. "It's from the Chant of Light."...

"Oh. It's where Andraste goes to speak to the Maker for the first time. It's where she convinces him to forgive mankind. It was supposed to be this beautiful temple deep under the earth surrounded by emerald waters."

Of course, Maric and Fiona are in the deep roads in this portion, so it is highly unlikely that they came upon the Temple itself, but rather just that this place reminded him of it. But, this does tell us that the Well of all Souls not only was a temple, but is where Andraste spoke to the Maker. Also, surrounded by emerald waters.

 

Here is concept art from Inquisition, depicting what I believe to be the Temple of Mythal: 

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This image shows part of the temple as being underground as well. Could it be that the Well of all Souls was the Well of Sorrows? And this is where Andraste apparently spoke to the Maker. So, possibly the maker actually was just some idea based off of Mythal. 

 

And more speculation, from the codex of Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts:

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http://dragonage.wik...d_Wicked_Hearts

The fact that the Maker refers to the Old Gods as his children is very important. We know that Mythal is the all-mother to the other Gods. This excerpt describes that, not only were the Old Gods the Maker's children, but were his first children. In all of the other sermons from the chantry, the Maker's first children are described as the fade spirits. This sermon, however, would indicate that the Old Gods were the first, or perhaps the spirits he first created just included the Old Gods. Either way, we know now that the Maker is the one who created them.

 

Based on the previous theory, this gets into some tantalizing speculation on the identity of Mythal's betrayer:

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Again from the Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts codex:

http://dragonage.wik...d_Wicked_Hearts
 

The First of My children, lost to night. Night? This could be a reference to Lusacan the God of Night. And, is apparently the last God expected to awaken. So, this may be a possible indication towards direct conflict between the Maker and Lusacan. Where the Maker some how lost the other Old Gods to Lusacan. 

 

Or, if you believe that the Maker may have been an ideal based off of Mythal, then there is also this codex, making the connection between Lusacan and Falon'Din:

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http://dragonage.wik...tion:_Tenebrium

By this, could Falon'Din have been the betrayer of Mythal? We know he amassed wars for adulation, until Mythal finally stopped him, by Solas's explanation in the Temple of Mythal:

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However, the word betrayal indicates that the attack was by someone unexpected. Who is extremely close to Falon'Din and would likely betray his mother for him? Dirthamen. 

 

If you are still reading this you are a trooper. Last part, I promise. Theory on which of the Elven Gods corresponds to each of the Old Gods. 

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Based on previous posts:

 

Dumat (Silence) - Mythal

Draconis (Rebellion) - Fen'Harel

Lusacan (Night) - Falon'Din 

Toth (Fire) - Sylaise. Both as gods of Fire.

 

Zazikel (Chaos) - Likely Elgar'nan, due to his rather vibrant nature. He was known to have had to been calmed by Mythal, and few would risk triggering his wrath due to the devastation it caused, so I believe that chaos fits well. This would also make him the second arch-demon to have arisen. 

 

Razikale (Mystery) - Andruil. I would have never made this connection myself, and had previously thought Dirthamen. But here is the codex entry for Razikale's constellation:

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http://dragonage.wik...llation:_Eluvia

Who else do we know to be a Goddess of Sacrifice? Solas's Temple of Mythal banter:

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Also, this constellation is represented by a woman, making it less likely to be one of the male Gods.

So, due to this association, I believe that Andruil is the most likely candidate. Also placing her as the sixth Old God, yet to be awakened.

 

Urthemiel (Beauty) - Ghilan'nain. Urthemiel's constellation also depicts a woman, described as 'The Maiden.'

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http://dragonage.wik...ion:_Bellitanus

It would then make sense that Urthemiel would correlate to a female Goddess. And, Ghilan'nain's codex entry makes a point of described her as beautiful:

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http://dragonage.wik...er_of_the_Halla

 

Andoral (Slaves) - It could be either June or Dirthamen. June's codex does not give much away(unsuprisingly, he is apprently the wild card.) But, you may perhaps  make a loose association with this in the entry:

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http://dragonage.wik...od_of_the_Craft

And the People were no longer cold and hungry. It sounds as though perhaps the elves were homeless, and June was able to provide for them (maybe by making them slaves?) It reminded me of the conversation with Dorian, where he relates the general attitude towards slavery as a good thing, or at least better than letting the poor starve and become homeless. A bit of a weak connection either way, but like I said, we just do not have enough information on June yet. 

 

So, who is the outlier? Dirthamen. And I believe that this has some reason to do with him being the betrayer of Mythal. I do not believe he is dead, as we know that Mythal has yet to fulfill her vengeance. But where he would be, or what he is up to, is unknown. 

 

And that's the end of it! So, thoughts? Is this all just wild speculation with not a hair of truth? I think that alone, the details are insignificant, but when put together make a slightly convincing possibility. But, is there anything that someone here has gathered that would support or contradict any of this?

 

Edit: I just saw the posts about spoiling it, is it okay as it is? I can always divide it up into different posts or remove some if it is causing problems on anyone's computer.

 

I think I've read most of these theories in some form before already (somewhere in this thread, the search button is your friend), so I'm just going to zero in a few new details here (mostly because my body needs to sleep soon)

 

Re: Draconis

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Holy **** there was an unknown eighth Old God? And going by what you said, it does make sense if this is Fen'Harel. I mean, you even see that dragon blood symbol in his rotunda (scroll in a bucket atop the scaffolding), and since he's a symbol of rebellion, then of course it would also make sense that he was stricken from the record.

 

There's another likely suspect though. Whoever's being referred to here:

This elven writing found in the Arbor Wilds is so old there seems to be no way to learn what it means.

 

There are whispers from the Well of Sorrows. It's impossible to understand the entire text, but certain parts suddenly reveal a shadow of their original meaning.

 

"His crime is high treason. He took on a form reserved for the gods and their chosen, and dared to fly in the shape of the divine. The sinner belongs to Dirthamen; he claims he took wings at the urging of Ghilan'nain, and begs protection from Mythal. She does not show him favor, and will let Elgar'nan judge him."

 

For one moment there is an image of a shifting, shadowy mass with blazing eyes, whose form may be one or many. Then it fades.

 

 

http://dragonage.wik...t_Elven_Writing

 

Some have theorized this is Fen'Harel as well, especially because of those many shifting eyes at the end. So this can also support your theory. Or there might be another dude who stole the form of gods (probably dragon form). Anyway, this Draconis constellation is really interesting. I wonder what this means for the Blights if Archdemons really are the Old Gods.

 

Re: Maker and the Old Gods

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Nice find about the Chant saying the Old Gods are actually the Maker's first children there, never noticed that. Though to be fair, it's the Chant, so this could just be Andrastian propaganda to try and demonize/subsume the Old Gods, the way Christianity has often done with "pagan" faiths. Calling the Old Gods the Maker's first children makes them inferior, which would then result in more followers for the Maker

 

But if we assume this to be true, then it's really interesting because as you said, all this time the ones who've been called the Maker's first children are the spirits of the Fade. And what if both these things are true? That would mean the Old Gods are spirits. And since I'm pretty much convinced by now that the Old Gods = Elven Pantheon, that would mean the Elven Gods too were spirits. Maybe not spirits the way Cole is, or Justice before he stepped through the Veil, or demons. But even Solas, when you press him about his belief in the elven gods, says, "Something existed to start the legends! If not gods, then mages, or spirits, or something we’ve never seen."

 

I think you'll enjoy madar's theory on the primordial entities for more of this.

 

Re: Mythal's betrayer

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Ok, I am now convinced Dirthamen really is the traitor. For more Dirthamen douchebaggery, check out lizasaurus's analysis of the Saga of Tyrdda Bright-Axe.

 

I need to bring Solas around to that temple again and pay more attention to what he says. And maybe bring Cole along.

 

Re: Old Gods ~ Elven Gods lineup

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There've been a lot of different lineups so far. I remember some people saying Razikale's probably Dirthamen, because him and Lucasan (Falon'Din) are the only two Old Gods left, and Dirthamen and Falon'Din do fit Mystery and Chaos, and it would be ultra cool to have a double blight in a future game. And that Dumat could also have been Elgar'nan, and Andoral = Andruil., leaving Fen'Harel (before this find about Draconis), Mythal, and Juno out.

 

Some have theorized that Juno's actually a dwarf. lizasaurus has a lot more on this, but basically, check his mural out. And we just really like the thought that Juno's probably Sandal now (because Sandal can dream, holy ****, and he most likely saw Flemeth, and dwarves supposedly can't dream). Anyway, again, check liz's stuff out.

 

Ok, really need to sleep now. Goodnight! 

[LobselVith8]

Oh! That's a good one. I think it's in reference to supporting the mages.

 

Here's the full banter:

 

 

Thank you for sharing, jellobell! Solas consistently handles himself well around Vivienne. You're awesome, Solas. 

[flabbadence]

Seeing that map of Thedas has made me realise that I haven't paid nearly enough attention to it before, because Antiva is so not where I thought it was. TO THE WORLD OF THEDAS! I think I need to go refill my brain with that book.

 

I'm forever disappointed that I totally mis-interpreted the Anderfels though. Something that was said about it in DAO (Digging through my memory I think it may have been Alistair talking about the harsh climate moulding the Wardens into a hardy group or something) made me think it was a bit like Beyond The Wall in GoT. Just harsh blizzard weather and a total polar wasteland making all the Anders people big burly bearded types. Then I bought The World of Thedas and realised they meant the opposite kind of harsh. Dust storms and hot hot summers! Whoo! It sounds dreadful   no wonder Hawke/Warden Friend goes missing up there.

 

I kinda liked it better when I thought Weisshaupt was some kind of Ice Fortress.

 

Read the Last Flight. You won't be disappointed in Weisshaupt after that (well ok, maybe you still will, but in a different sense)

 

(lmao wait, I will sleep soon, I promise)

[Aravasia]

 

Eeewww, that would make Alistair and her siblings or at least related...   Scandalous enough for me to believe it, lol. That would make it even worse for people that let Alistair do the ritual.

 

It reminds me of some apparent study where if siblings meet later in life then they become attracted to each-other. What does this have to do with the topic? Nothing. But I thought I'd just throw that out there.

 

They certainly bicker like siblings at least. I imagine if Morrigan ever found out that Maric was her father she would hate herself, he's just like Alistair. 

 

And you know, I always thought that Keiran looked too much like Alistair even if the warden preformed the Dark Ritual. Recessive genes at work...

[flabbadence]

 

 

 

 

It reminds me of some apparent study where if siblings meet later in life then they become attracted to each-other. What does this have to do with the topic? Nothing. But I thought I'd just throw that out there.

 

They certainly bicker like siblings at least. I imagine if Morrigan ever found out that Maric was her father she would hate herself, he's just like Alistair. 

 

And you know, I always thought that Keiran looked too much like Alistair even if the warden preformed the Dark Ritual. Recessive genes at work...

 

 

OK I should definitely have gone to bed before reading this conversation. *sigh* Alright that's it, goodnight

[Wedger]

 

 

 

 

It reminds me of some apparent study where if siblings meet later in life then they become attracted to each-other. What does this have to do with the topic? Nothing. But I thought I'd just throw that out there.

 

They certainly bicker like siblings at least. I imagine if Morrigan ever found out that Maric was her father she would hate herself, he's just like Alistair. 

 

And you know, I always thought that Keiran looked too much like Alistair even if the warden preformed the Dark Ritual. Recessive genes at work...

 

When I took Alistair to Adamant his last words were to Morrigan and not tHoF, his sweetie.  Kinda freaked me out.

[LobselVith8]

I think there's only one way for him not to turn into a mostly bad guy, and that's if you romanced him.

 

I don't necessarily think Solas will become a "bad guy". He cared about people in general, talking with Varric about why the durgen’len don't use their monopoly on lyrium to force the surface nations to help improve the lot of the dwarves, or his opposition to the Qun because of how it's restrictive to the freedom of the people who follow this system. He's secretive about his past and some of his motives, but I can't see him as a villain. I hope that my Lavellan won't have to oppose him, especially if he wants to help the People.

[coldwetn0se]

Since people are bringing up convos with Viv/Solas, I must say...I have found my new "crack". Solas+Viv+Sera, with my latest f!Lavellan (S&S). That is all.

Carry on.


*Note* Yes, I have waaay too many play throughs running at the same time. Want to see ALL the things!

[Maria13]

Eeewww, that would make Alistair and her siblings or at least related... Scandalous enough for me to believe it, lol. That would make it even worse for people that let Alistair do the ritual.

 

But of very pure bloodline.

[RynJ]

You know, I would actually hate if romancing Solas was the only way to keep him from becoming the bad guy.

 

I'm not sure why. I suppose I should find it romantic but I just really don't like the idea of that. 

[Colonelkillabee]

 

 

 

 

It reminds me of some apparent study where if siblings meet later in life then they become attracted to each-other. What does this have to do with the topic? Nothing. But I thought I'd just throw that out there.

 

They certainly bicker like siblings at least. I imagine if Morrigan ever found out that Maric was her father she would hate herself, he's just like Alistair. 

 

And you know, I always thought that Keiran looked too much like Alistair even if the warden preformed the Dark Ritual. Recessive genes at work...

 

LOL they really do bicker like siblings... and I heard about that too, from my father actually since I met my half sister when I was 11. Disturbing conversation. Give me some credit, pops. Jesus.

[coldwetn0se]

You know, I would actually hate if romancing Solas was the only way to keep him from becoming the bad guy.
 
I'm not sure why. I suppose I should find it romantic but I just really don't like the idea of that.

I agree with this. Admittedly, it also has to do with that selfish side of me, who adores my non-romancing PC's, who have truly befriended him. I would hate to think that that might not be considered. (not saying that it will be the case...of course. )

[Maria13]

I don't necessarily think Solas will become a "bad guy". He cared about people in general, talking with Varric about why the durgen’len don't use their monopoly on lyrium to force the surface nations to help improve the lot of the dwarves, or his opposition to the Qun because of how it's restrictive to the freedom of the people who follow this system. He's secretive about his past and some of his motives, but I can't see him as a villain. I hope that my Lavellan won't have to oppose him, especially if he wants to help the People.

 

Neither do I. I think that's what his romanced card tells us... Did I read somewhere that you can get that card even if you don't romance him but are on friendly terms??? Because that would proves the point even more, it is what happens if he can achieve some sort of balance within the present world-state...

[Colonelkillabee]

You know, I would actually hate if romancing Solas was the only way to keep him from becoming the bad guy.

 

I'm not sure why. I suppose I should find it romantic but I just really don't like the idea of that. 

I imagine there'd be a lot of slandering from the chuckleheads outside of the thread, laughing like hyenas about how they murdered that high and mighty elven "god" and put him in his place, and blah blah. Since everyone else would have to deal with him otherwise.

[Oswin]

Read the Last Flight. You won't be disappointed in Weisshaupt after that (well ok, maybe you still will, but in a different sense)

 

(lmao wait, I will sleep soon, I promise)

 

I should probably pick that up at some point. I was unsure about it because I'm often a bit 'meh' on Warden stories.

 

Eeewww, that would make Alistair and her siblings or at least related... Scandalous enough for me to believe it, lol. That would make it even worse for people that let Alistair do the ritual.

 

So thats why Keiran always sounds so slow when he talks.

 

ahaha...

 

I'll show myself out.

[Sable Rhapsody]

You know, I would actually hate if romancing Solas was the only way to keep him from becoming the bad guy.

 

I'm not sure why. I suppose I should find it romantic but I just really don't like the idea of that. 

 

Same here.  I really, really don't like the idea that romantic love is the only way to "save" someone.  And while it's not true of every BioWare LI, some of them do have an unfortunate habit of gating meaningful character growth behind the romance.  Jack and Thane in ME2 are the ones that immediately come to mind, though Jack's better about it in ME3, and IMO Blackwall's character comes through much more clearly on his romance path.