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[Eomie]

TinFoil hat time!

 

So, I was reading up on my norse mythos and I think the dwarves of Thedas's existence is similar to the ones of germanic myth. Her is a little clip from the wikia, because it is easier to copy paste then type up my own >.>

 

The Poetic Edda poem Völuspá details that the dwarfs were the product of the primordial blood of the being Brimir and the bones of Bláinn (generally considered to be different names for the primordial being Ymir). The Prose Edda, however, describes dwarfs as beings similar to maggots that festered in the flesh of Ymir before being gifted with reason by the gods. The Poetic Edda and Prose Edda contain over 100 dwarf names, while the Prose Edda gives the four dwarfs Norðri, Suðri, Austri and Vestri (Old Norse 'North, South, East, and West') a cosmological role – they hold up the sky.^[1]  

 

 

I think they were perhaps given the purpose of gatekeepers and throughout history have forgotten their purpose. An them having been a byproduct of something would explain Solas's reaction about Dwarves being the loped off arm of a hero.....

[flabbadence]

TinFoil hat time!

 

So, I was reading up on my norse mythos and I think the dwarves of Thedas's existence is similar to the ones of germanic myth. Her is a little clip from the wikia, because it is easier to copy paste then type up my own >.>

 

The Poetic Edda poem Völuspá details that the dwarfs were the product of the primordial blood of the being Brimir and the bones of Bláinn (generally considered to be different names for the primordial being Ymir). The Prose Edda, however, describes dwarfs as beings similar to maggots that festered in the flesh of Ymir before being gifted with reason by the gods. The Poetic Edda and Prose Edda contain over 100 dwarf names, while the Prose Edda gives the four dwarfs Norðri, Suðri, Austri and Vestri (Old Norse 'North, South, East, and West') a cosmological role – they hold up the sky.^[1]  

 

   

 

Oh wow. Could dwarves have had something to do with the Veil?

 

They're sundered from the Fade right? Cole says Varric brings him closer to here. And lyrium primarily grows underground, with red lyrium pushing up, strange since darkspawn are always pushing down. Wait wait... the possibilities...

[Elven_Glory]

Well, today was the last day I got to see my beloved boss. The day ended with me telling him he was "the Garrus to my Commander Shepherd." By which I mean the platonic version, not the romanced version because both my boss and I have SO's, so that would be awkward. At least now I can add him on facebook and have it not be weird. I really will miss working with him, though. And to make this relevant, my boss shaves his head, so he reminds me of Solas, but without the pointy ears or the grim and fatalistic demeanor.

[OxidantsHappen]

<snip>– they hold up the sky.^{[1]  <snip>}

 

No wonder the sky is falling in DA:I!  This is what happens when you designate the job of holding up the sky to the shortest race in Thedas.  

 

You have a great theory, I'm sorry I don't have anything meaningful to add, I just can't resist short jokes

[flabbadence]

Well, today was the last day I got to see my beloved boss. The day ended with me telling him he was "the Garrus to my Commander Shepherd." By which I mean the platonic version, not the romanced version because both my boss and I have SO's, so that would be awkward. At least now I can add him on facebook and have it not be weird. I really will miss working with him, though. And to make this relevant, my boss shaves his head, so he reminds me of Solas, but without the pointy ears or the grim and fatalistic demeanor.

 

Wow your boss (well, former boss) sounds awesome

 

[Sable Rhapsody]

So I did manage to finish the fluffy Solavellan smut despite feelz trying to stop me!  I am getting better at resisting the darker end of the Solavellan hellspiral! (NSFW, in case the kink meme link didn't make it obvious)

 

http://dragonage-kin...14209#t48514209

[flabbadence]

No wonder the sky is falling in DA:I!  This is what happens when you designate the job of holding up the sky to the shortest race in Thedas.  

 

You have a great theory, I'm sorry I don't have anything meaningful to add, I just can't resist short jokes

 

Out of likes 

[Eomie]

   

 

Oh wow. Could dwarves have had something to do with the Veil?

 

They're sundered from the Fade right? Cole says Varric brings him closer to here. And lyrium primarily grows underground, with red lyrium pushing up, strange since darkspawn are always pushing down. Wait wait... the possibilities...

I could get really complicated with this theory, and the parallels between the two mythos!

[HurricaneGinger]

The note also says "We'll have to find another Archdemon".

Which begs the question, what the hell were they doing? It doesn't sound like a Warden murder-pack to me, more like Wardens Screwing With Forces Beyond Their Ken.

 

>_< Yep, of course I forget the most vital thing in the note. XD

 

They're trying to go the easy route, I think, and stop the flow of a Blight before it even starts. It's honestly a bad idea, because then the Darkspawn would lack what has been keeping them off the surface in the first place. 

 

BTW did anyone leave the warden in the Fade and still keep the Grey Wardens around? What happens?

[flabbadence]

So I did manage to finish the fluffy Solavellan smut despite feelz trying to stop me!  I am getting better at resisting the darker end of the Solavellan hellspiral! (NSFW, in case the kink meme link didn't make it obvious)

 

http://dragonage-kin...14209#t48514209

 

*clicks link*

 

*reads*

 

*dies*

 

*resurrects self to read fic again*

 

ToP: NSFW Solas and Lavellan for that DAMN HOT FIC

Spoiler

http://alatuspictoma...stening-to-this

[Meer]

 

BTW did anyone leave the warden in the Fade and still keep the Grey Wardens around? What happens?

I have, once. A younger warden steps forward and mentions that with the senior warden gone, they are now without leadership. Hawke offers to go with them and still disappears in the Epilogue because that's how our heroes do apparently, haha. You do still get the Grey Warden war table missions if I'm not wrong, but I could very well be. The war table always throws me off for some reason.

[flabbadence]

I could get really complicated with this theory, and the parallels between the two mythos!

 

[Sable Rhapsody]

ToP: NSFW Solas and Lavellan for that DAMN HOT FIC

Spoiler

http://alatuspictoma...stening-to-this

 

*aggressively saves NSFW Solavellan art*

 

I should probably make a separate folder for this stuff at this rate.

[flabbadence]

*aggressively saves NSFW Solavellan art*

 

I should probably make a separate folder for this stuff at this rate.

 

Do share

 

Edit: BTW, have you written any other kinkmeme fills? Just curious, you know

[Eomie]

LoL! Okay you asked for it! :: Leaps down the rabbit hole ::

 

So, in Norse mythology the dwarves are pretty much a by product of the creations of the world. The Dwarves of DAI are also said to be the loped of arm of a hero. So, if they were similar to maggots until the gods gave them a purpose, perhaps the supposed 4 pillars of the world in DAI are dwarves of some kind?  We have the primordial thiag, which their could be more.There are hints here that dwarves once had magic. We also know that there are dwarven ruins even across the sea and possibly else where on the planet. Thedas is only a continent in the world after all. Another, thing is in Norse mythology dwarves are dark elves (they turn to stone when in the sun hits them as well), not the short stumpy tolkien dwarves that most people adopt. So, maybe when they were sundered they changed physically as well as losing their magic? ........:: Puts on tinfoil hat and hides in a corner before she sound crazier::

 

:: Crawls back ::

I also think the Dwarves of DAI are a 'by product' of what I do not think we know,  yet. I believe there are powerful cards that have yet to be played.

[flabbadence]

LoL! Okay you asked for it! :: Leaps down the rabbit hole ::

 

So, in Norse mythology the dwarves are pretty much a by product of the creations of the world. So, if they were similar to maggots until the gods gave them a purpose, perhaps the supposed 4 pillars of the world in DAI are dwarves of some kind? We have the primordial thiag, which their could be more.We also know that there are dwarven ruins even across the sea and possibly else where on the planet. Thedas is only a continent in the world after all. Another, thing is in Norse mythology dwarves are dark elves (they turn to stone when in the sun hits them), not the short stumpy tolkien dwarves that most people adopt. So, maybe when they were sundered they changed physically as well as losing their magic? ........:: Puts on tinfoil hat and hides in a corner before she sound crazier::

 

So basically, comparing DAI dwarves with Norse ones, they could either have been former elves given the task of holding up the Veil or maybe protecting the pillars of the world, or they could be a whole other hardly sentient species at first, like maggots blind to all but the will of the Stone, until the sundering happened which gave them sentience but cut them off from the Fade.

 

Yes, yes, I like this comparison. More Norse myths please!

 

 

Edit: Wait wait, that byproduct. If they were...

 

Could it be that there weren't supposed to be dwarves in the first place? Maybe, well I'm part of the team assuming Juno had something to do with the dwarves, maybe he only wanted to create the Stone, and dwarves just ended up latching onto the Stone's song. Or something. Yeah, we can't really know at the moment.

[flabbadence]

Honestly I think they had Flemeth take the Old God soul strictly to get it out of the picture.  Since not everyone did the Dark Ritual, there's this potentially huge world changing person out there carrying around an Old God soul but the devs can't do anything *really* important with it.  Kieran can't have a large impact on the storyline unless they really want to retcon things and *that* would cause an angry backlash.  I know they already reconned Leliana and Wynne but honestly their deaths weren't a major plot point and the Dark Ritual is.  To retcon that it always took place or that Morrigan always somehow got an OGB would anger a lot of people because it was a major choice that's now be completely taken out of their hands.

 

Here's something Gaider said about retconning and the Dark Ritual:

 

 

 

TUK: Slightly related to that, will we see...some of the big decisions from Origins and Awakenings are do you go through with the Dark Ritual so that Morrigan has a child with an Old God's soul, and the Architect, whether or not you kill him. Will those characters come back later on, or those decisions come back and be relevant in the third game?

DG: When you're talking about decisions that the fans expect to be treated as sacred, the big decisions are the ones that....the small ones, whether a character lives or dies, or smaller side plots and stuff, that seems less important overall, but for the big ones like the Dark Ritual I don't think we can not respect the Dark Ritual. It's going to be tricky, and I think the problem we encounter with some of the big decisions is the level of expectation. There are some people saying on the forums that they expect the Dark Ritual to be the focus of an entire game, like "Oh, I think I should be playing the Old God baby and everything should revolve around that." Again, with that we have to make a completely different game for the person who did the Dark Ritual or didn't do the Dark Ritual, and we can't do that. So it's a little bit of a Catch-22 in that sense, but I think what we can at least promise is that the big decisions should have a big impact on your game. And I think that ideally, at least in my view, if you made a decision, you should get content that is specific to that decision. So if you did the Dark Ritual, if and when we brought Morrigan back, you should get something extra for having done the Dark Ritual, for having imported it, and it affects your game in some important facet. It may not be as important as some people like, but it can be important, and provided we have the time to create the content...ideally there would be unique content, as much of it as possible for these variations. I'd like for somebody who's played a future game to come back and tell their friend "Oh yeah, this happened with Old God Baby and it was really cool," and they were like, "Wow, that didn't happen in my game!" I think that's the kind of talk we'd like to have. It's a challenge for the writing team, there was a point recently when we were sitting down and discussing plot, and I threw out "Okay, there's this big decision from Dragon Age Origins that we're going to have to deal with. Here's our current plot, here's what the decision was, so what do we do to respect that decision in this without making it balloon out of control" and there was silence. I think Cheryl eventually piped up, she said "Monkeys!" It's not as easy and there's a little bit of potential in the end that nobody's pleased. If you try to deal with it as best you can you end up not pleasing the people who want it to be huge, and not pleasing the people who begrudge the fact that this thing that they didn't do has any importance at all. So it's a bit of a challenge.

 

You can read the rest of the interview here: http://swooping-is-b...om/1286233.html

[Colonelkillabee]

So basically, comparing DAI dwarves with Norse ones, they could either have been former elves given the task of holding up the Veil or maybe protecting the pillars of the world, or they could be a whole other hardly sentient species at first, like maggots blind to all but the will of the Stone, until the sundering happened which gave them sentience but cut them off from the Fade.

 

Yes, yes, I like this comparison. More Norse myths please!

 

 

 

Edit: Wait wait, that byproduct. If they were...

 

Could it be that there weren't supposed to be dwarves in the first place? Maybe, well I'm part of the team assuming Juno had something to do with the dwarves, maybe he only wanted to create the Stone, and dwarves just ended up latching onto the Stone's song. Or something. Yeah, we can't really know at the moment.

 

Or, they were elves tasked with holding up the sky and this happened:

 

 

LOL, enter Dwarves.

[Elven_Glory]

Wow your boss (well, former boss) sounds awesome

He was. Well, he still is. 10/10. Would work for again.

[Caddius]

If anyone wants to join Vir'dirthan and add to it, the default login is Solavellan and the password is lavellan. If you want to join as a specific member, then PM me your e-mail and I'll send you an invite and/or a virus that makes Allan Schumacher's Solas art open up a tab every time you click your mouse.

If it does work, I'm must managing the fort while Madrar is still somewhat ill.

If it doesn't work, I asked her for help and I'm just following her advice and obviously it didn't work and just as obviously it's not my fault.

[flabbadence]

Or, they were elves tasked with holding up the sky and this happened:

 

 

LOL, enter Dwarves.

 

Oh em, they sure got the Fade squished out of them

[Colonelkillabee]

Oh em, they sure got the Fade squished out of them

Maybe it's because I should be asleep becuae it's 336 right now, but this makes a lot of sense to me right now I mean... I guess. Righ? I dunno, I'm going back to bed.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Caddius]

Oh em, they sure got the Fade squished out of them

The Titans held up the sky like Atlas, but when they were gone, the dwarves got squished and ran crying into the underground?

Sounds legit.

[flabbadence]

If anyone wants to join Vir'dirthan and add to it, the default login is Solavellan and the password is lavellan. If you want to join as a specific member, then PM me your e-mail and I'll send you an invite and/or a virus that makes Allan Schumacher's Solas art open up a tab every time you click your mouse.

If it does work, I'm must managing the fort while Madrar is still somewhat ill.

If it doesn't work, I asked her for help and I'm just following her advice and obviously it didn't work and just as obviously it's not my fault.

 

I don't think I have a theory to upload, but if you guys need someone to help with the layout, maybe make it easier for visitors to read, then I can help with that.