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[Colonelkillabee]

This has been bugging me as well. How can demons know about blood magic, if blood magic's supposed to be the mage drawing from their life force, not the Fade? Supposedly, Tevinters first learned about blood magic either through the Old God whispering in their dreams, or captured ancient elves. But if the Old Gods are from the Fade, then again, how can they know about blood magic? How can ancient elves know about blood magic, when it's so counterintuitive to what we know about ancient elven magic, which was as natural as breathing?

Well, even if they were once from the fade, they aren't now and are physically bound to this world. They demonstrate knowledge of the power of blood with the taint, a very physical magical force. And Dumat was said I'm guessing for quite a while now to have been inspired by the angel dumah who had connections to demons. Then we see corypheus controlling countless demons, a worshiper of Dumat. Can't really explain why they know, but it makes sense that they do.

 

Having the knowledge of something and being able to teach it doesn't mean you necessarily know it. The demons live in a place where dreams are free to observation. It would be rather strange to me if they didn't know.

 

Anyway, the only thing I can think of that would make blood magic counterintuitive to reaching the fade is that the wielder is focusing less on their connection to the fade for magic and more on the physical world. It's a mental issue, one I imagine some can either overcome or peek at in potential if they're amateurs.

[flabbadence]

Maybe one of the Creators/Forgotten Ones turned to Blood Magic as a way of gaining an edge on those higher up in the hierarchy?

But yeah. Demons teaching it is weird. Old Gods teaching it is weird.

 

That's what I'm thinking too, with the Taint and the Void tying into it somehow.

 

I am glad I am not the only one, but I will say this. I do not believe the veil is a physical thing. It is something of the mind, and I think is was created with the use of blood magic......So, maybe there could be a connection, but I doubt it. Also it very well could be that the ancient elves just stumble upon blood magic, and the vints learned it from slaves.

 

Wow wait that's an interesting thought, and it would make perfect sense. If blood magic lessens your connection to the Fade, then of course blood magic could have been involved in the creation of the Veil, which pretty much has the same effect. Only blood magic still produces magic, while the Veil is just, nothing, a barrier, a void between this world and the Fade.

 

 

Well, even if they were once from the fade, they aren't now and are physically bound to this world. They demonstrate knowledge of the power of blood with the taint, a very physical magical force. And Dumat was said I'm guessing for quite a while now to have been inspired by the angel dumah who had connections to demons. Then we see corypheus controlling countless demons, a worshiper of Dumat. Can't really explain why they know, but it makes sense that they do.

 

Having the knowledge of something and being able to teach it doesn't mean you necessarily know it. The demons live in a place where dreams are free to observation. It would be rather strange to me if they didn't know.

 

Anyway, the only thing I can think of that would make blood magic counterintuitive to reaching the fade is that the wielder is focusing less on their connection to the fade for magic and more on the physical world. It's a mental issue, one I imagine some can either overcome or peek at in potential if they're amateurs.

 

It is interesting that the Old Gods only started whispering to the humans when Arlathan was near or perhaps already in its decline, when Dreamers were at the brink of losing their station. And the blood magic knowledge does make sense. Spirits can store observable knowledge easy enough, even if they tend to fixate on particular ideas. I'm just really curious where blood magic began in the first place.

 

And that last bit... hey, that's basically what Cory's doing right? Using his connection to the Fade + Taint-powered blood magic + Fen'Harel's orb to achieve his ends. So I suppose one can overcome the boundaries of blood magic in relation to the Fade, if one is powerful enough.

[flabbadence]

Question for you guys by the way:

 

Do you think Solas is still immortal? Would you rather he was or wasn't?

 

Personally, I hope he isn't any longer, because I'm terrified of immortality  . All that eternity in the same world, with more or less the same people *shivers*

[phyreblade74]

Question for you guys by the way:

 

Do you think Solas is still immortal? Would you rather he was or wasn't?

 

Personally, I hope he isn't any longer, because I'm terrified of immortality  . All that eternity in the same world, with more or less the same people *shivers*

 

I think he very much is, if only because he says "you can't change a thing's intrinsic nature".  That's me paraphrasing, btw.  I just finished Cole's quest in my most recent playthrough.  But anyway, I think Solas at least is fairly sure that what something is is pretty much set.  If he was immortal, that's what he remains now.  He hasn't fundamentally altered.

 

What I'm curious about, is the whole question of the Inquisitor being "real".  If Solas identifies the Inquisitor as someone who's somehow so much different, so much changed ... well, what exactly does it mean, to be "real" according to the Dread Wolf?  I keep tossing it around in my head, that the anchor, Solas' pondering that the anchor may have altered the Inquisitor, his curiosity might indicate the Inquisitor has herself become more like what those ancient elves were, rather than the Dalish or city elves of the present.

 

And I figure Solas is tired.  Rather than just waking up, he comes off as being utterly tired, of the constant effort and demands of whatever task is in front of him.  Immortality is its own burden, and I feel sorry for Solas having to endure it.

[Kulyok]

Question for you guys by the way:

 

Do you think Solas is still immortal? Would you rather he was or wasn't?

 

Personally, I hope he isn't any longer, because I'm terrified of immortality  . All that eternity in the same world, with more or less the same people *shivers*

 

He is, because of that banter with Blackwall, "I will remember". And he is the Dread Wolf, which probably means he doesn't just die in a couple of decades.

 

I think it's a part of who he is, just like his ears or his laugh or his sense of humor. Or his ability to ruin a perfect date, apparently. I accept it.

 

I'm terrified of death, ilness, and mental degradation, myself, and I understand the desire to live forever very well.

[Siha]

I do believe the Qun would go on unchanged by the Triumvirate being wiped out. As in, the current Triumvirs being assassinated. They would simply get new Triumvirs and go on as before, albeit with improved security. The Tal-Vashoth that they fight in Seheron are themselves following the Demands of the Qun. If you leave the Qun, you are a savage bandit. The ones that really rock the boat just leave the whole jungle mess and give birth to the future Inquisitor. The presence of the Tal-Vashoth allows them an eternal boogeyman to blame failures on, an eternal hate sink for the Antaam to hone their skills as soldiers against in preparation for the next invasion. It reminds me of Eurasia/Eastasia and the Resistance in 1984.

Iron Bull was making a point that they flat out don't have succession crises under the Qun. Which seems to be true. (Who selects each Triumvir, though? I doubt Sten ran an election campaign.) Succession crises have caused untold strife in many different civilizations, and are often the motivation behind such quaint notions as 'divine blood' and the 'divine right of kings'. The Qun doesn't have that. They have constant break-away rebels, consistently in the military sector, and they seem content to kill them off. Many Qunari seem happy to go on living under the Qun, which seems content to stay as it has for centuries. That's what I meant about the self-sustaining and the power not being corrupted (that we know of) in regards to Solas. The Qun is totalitarian, collectivist, and frankly unsettling. But it also accomplishes what it says it sets out to do. It doesn't feel like the ideals of the Qunari 'revolution' have withered away. They've handled entropy of political purpose better than the Elvhen or even many of the human kingdoms, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.

Does any of that make sense? I'm trying to provide context to my original comment. 

While I agree with you, I still wish to express my opinion.

I think the first question is "Why does the Qun work?" And, frankly, I do not see the answer because our world does not provide one. Many attempts have been made at building this sort of "communist" society where every individual strives for a greater good, i.e., the good of the community, the good of all. Where one willingly accepts a position that somebody else deems most appropriate, thus subordinating personal feelings and desires. In fact, listening to Bull I even get the impression that they completely give up any deeper emotions (e.g., love, family, etc.) in order to better serve the society and be less prone to error and corruption. It's basically the Jedi.

 

In our world, this never worked out. Sooner or later one individual would see the option for personal gain and exploit the power such a system offers. Once risen to power, it then usually follows a singular track of abusing this power and keeping the own position by applying means of surveillance and terror. I am not aware or any such system really keeping the support of the people for long. Usually they are only kept alive by fear and poverty of the masses. (Of course, I do not know all political systems past and present.)

 

While the Qun does have a secret police it still seems to work of it's own accord somehow. The majority of the people follow the Qun deliberately, the few who don't wish to do so leave and live as Tal-Vashoth. There are no rumors of revolution, no resistance underground groups, no political opposition. Not even a secret envy for the Western Southern way of life.

 

So why does it work out, why do they choose to live this way? Obviously is it something about their mentality or nature? And how does the aspect of breeding (possibly including dragon DNA/blood) play into this? However, if something along these lines is the case, surely, the Qun will go on and endure whatever political changes the world around it may face.

[Illyria]

I think he very much is, if only because he says "you can't change a thing's intrinsic nature".  That's me paraphrasing, btw.  I just finished Cole's quest in my most recent playthrough.  But anyway, I think Solas at least is fairly sure that what something is is pretty much set.  If he was immortal, that's what he remains now.  He hasn't fundamentally altered.

 

What I'm curious about, is the whole question of the Inquisitor being "real".  If Solas identifies the Inquisitor as someone who's somehow so much different, so much changed ... well, what exactly does it mean, to be "real" according to the Dread Wolf?  I keep tossing it around in my head, that the anchor, Solas' pondering that the anchor may have altered the Inquisitor, his curiosity might indicate the Inquisitor has herself become more like what those ancient elves were, rather than the Dalish or city elves of the present.

 

And I figure Solas is tired.  Rather than just waking up, he comes off as being utterly tired, of the constant effort and demands of whatever task is in front of him.  Immortality is its own burden, and I feel sorry for Solas having to endure it.

 

'Real' is also the word Cole uses to describe Pharamond in his cured of Tranquility state (he says something like 'the demon touched a man and made him real. The others were scared, the man wasn't meant to be real').  Maybe 'realness' implies a deeper connection t the Fade?

[Siha]

Wow wait that's an interesting thought, and it would make perfect sense. If blood magic lessens your connection to the Fade, then of course blood magic could have been involved in the creation of the Veil, which pretty much has the same effect. Only blood magic still produces magic, while the Veil is just, nothing, a barrier, a void between this world and the Fade.

 

Alright, so we go along with this thought and assume as a basis that the veil is just a mental barrier, something that cuts off the ability to move between the physical and the spiritual world (oujia board ftw!).

And it was created by blood magic.

 

Then I wonder two things:

1) What about those mages who never practiced blood magic? Why do they suffer impaired Fade-wandering abilities?

2) What about non-mages? Before the veil existed, did they have to face demons all day long because everybody could go back and forth between the two worlds? Because the tears in the veil very much affect the physical world, it's not just something that mages.

 

While I like this idea, I cannot fully understand how it would work and how to align its implications with a coherent line of thought.

 

[flabbadence]

I think he very much is, if only because he says "you can't change a thing's intrinsic nature".  That's me paraphrasing, btw.  I just finished Cole's quest in my most recent playthrough.  But anyway, I think Solas at least is fairly sure that what something is is pretty much set.  If he was immortal, that's what he remains now.  He hasn't fundamentally altered.

 

What I'm curious about, is the whole question of the Inquisitor being "real".  If Solas identifies the Inquisitor as someone who's somehow so much different, so much changed ... well, what exactly does it mean, to be "real" according to the Dread Wolf?  I keep tossing it around in my head, that the anchor, Solas' pondering that the anchor may have altered the Inquisitor, his curiosity might indicate the Inquisitor has herself become more like what those ancient elves were, rather than the Dalish or city elves of the present.

 

And I figure Solas is tired.  Rather than just waking up, he comes off as being utterly tired, of the constant effort and demands of whatever task is in front of him.  Immortality is its own burden, and I feel sorry for Solas having to endure it.

 

But haven't elves as a whole lost their immortality? I figure Solas could have gone through the same process too, only his was held back by uthenera. Then again, with his merging with Flemeth, he's probably immortal again if he ever lost that. *sigh* Oh well. Maybe eternity won't be so bad. Though yes, he does look so very tired. He comes off as the sort of guy who would be happy to rest, once his mission is done, unless he's been romanced I think.

 

And yes! I'm really curious what sort of changes the Anchor's going to cause for our Inquisitors, especially Lavellans since they'll probably be more in tune with the magic, mage or not.

 

 

He is, because of that banter with Blackwall, "I will remember". And he is the Dread Wolf, which probably means he doesn't just die in a couple of decades.

 

I think it's a part of who he is, just like his ears or his laugh or his sense of humor. Or his ability to ruin a perfect date, apparently. I accept it.

 

I'm terrified of death, ilness, and mental degradation, myself, and I understand the desire to live forever very well.

 

Ah that banter. I suppose you're right. I just... I don't know, I'm the sort of person who prefers oblivion to an eternity in heaven. But I guess it is possible to make eternity work, because the world's always changing.

[Caddius]

But haven't elves as a whole lost their immortality? I figure Solas could have gone through the same process too, only his was held back by uthenera. Then again, with his merging with Flemeth, he's probably immortal again if he ever lost that. *sigh* Oh well. Maybe eternity won't be so bad. Though yes, he does look so very tired. He comes off as the sort of guy who would be happy to rest, once his mission is done, unless he's been romanced I think.

 

And yes! I'm really curious what sort of changes the Anchor's going to cause for our Inquisitors, especially Lavellans since they'll probably be more in tune with the magic, mage or not.

 

 

 

Ah that banter. I suppose you're right. I just... I don't know, I'm the sort of person who prefers oblivion to an eternity in heaven. But I guess it is possible to make eternity work, because the world's always changing.

I'm in the camp that believes that while the elite of the Empire were Elvhen Dreamers, the Creators themselves were, as Solas puts it, "Something we've haven't seen."

This is largely due to Mythal's body-jumping ability and "Bodies are such limiting things,"

Still mages, of course. Not 'divine', necessarily, but not mortal either. The Blight stands out as one of the few things that can really mess them up.

I'm curious, though. Let's go with Abelas's comment and take it to mean that Neromenian/Tevinter in their early days were the killers of Mythal. How did they manage that? Did they ambush her in uthenera? Did they have the aid of a traitor? *glances at Dirthamen* Did they turn her foci against her?

[flabbadence]

Alright, so we go along with this thought and assume as a basis that the veil is just a mental barrier, something that cuts off the ability to move between the physical and the spiritual world (oujia board ftw!).

And it was created by blood magic.

 

Then I wonder two things:

1) What about those mages who never practiced blood magic? Why do they suffer impaired Fade-wandering abilities?

2) What about non-mages? Before the veil existed, did they have to face demons all day long because everybody could go back and forth between the two worlds? Because the tears in the veil very much affect the physical world, it's not just something that mages.

 

While I like this idea, I cannot fully understand how it would work and how to align its implications with a coherent line of thought.

 

Ah wait, my eyes must have skimmed over the "Veil isn't a physical thing", I didn't process that part, sorry  . I was just agreeing to Eomie's theory that blood magic must have been involved when the Veil was created.

 

I do think the Veil is a physical thing. Well ok not physical, but more like a world-wide or at least a Thedas-wide force maybe, in much the same way the Fade is a force of nature. If it was just a mental block, then ruptures in the Veil should have manifested in humans, elves, or qunari, maybe even dwarves, not the world itself, which is what we see happening in the Breach.

[Siha]

Ah wait, my eyes must have skimmed over the "Veil isn't a physical thing", I didn't process that part, sorry  . I was just agreeing to Eomie's theory that blood magic must have been involved when the Veil was created.

 

I do think the Veil is a physical thing. Well ok not physical, but more like a world-wide or at least a Thedas-wide force maybe, in much the same way the Fade is a force of nature. If it was just a mental block, then ruptures in the Veil should have manifested in humans, elves, or qunari, maybe even dwarves, not the world itself, which is what we see happening in the Breach.

Yes, that is what I mean. Ignore if it is physical or mental. I have no problem with that. It is probably the oldest philosophical question: what is real? Is the thought alone what gives shapes to the things? Does colour exist if we cannot see? What else exists what we cannot perceive? Maybe there's demons all around us but we just do not know because there is a mental barricade, something that keeps our brain from perceiving and interpreting the signals. Maybe those people who see ghosts are not mad but their mental barrier is just weakened and they catch glimpses of what lies beyond. And so on. I do not wish to express a personal opinion, I only want to point out that it does not matter if the veil is "physical" or not. It's an "implementation detail".

 

My question is merely: if it was created (deliberately) by mages then what was before? Or rather how was before? And, of course, when was that even.

 

And maybe it is totally unimportant, but I'd still like to know. Probably just like with the universe. Scientists say it keeps expanding. But where to? And what is there now? It makes no difference for our world but, damn, I'd like to know.

[flabbadence]

I'm in the camp that believes that while the elite of the Empire were Elvhen Dreamers, the Creators themselves were, as Solas puts it, "Something we've haven't seen."

This is largely due to Mythal's body-jumping ability and "Bodies are such limiting things,"

Still mages, of course. Not 'divine', necessarily, but not mortal either. The Blight stands out as one of the few things that can really mess them up.

I'm curious, though. Let's go with Abelas's comment and take it to mean that Neromenian/Tevinter in their early days were the killers of Mythal. How did they manage that? Did they ambush her in uthenera? Did they have the aid of a traitor? *glances at Dirthamen* Did they turn her foci against her?

 

I really don't see how it could have been humans who killed Mythal. I watched the scene again on YouTube (gosh I've forgotten how much I like Abelas's voice), and he says, "She was slain, if a god truly can be. Betrayed by those who destroyed this temple."

 

Assuming the fall of Arlathan truly began when Mythal was slain, I don't see how the as-yet pithy humans could have had the power to invade an elven temple, or wherever Mythal was in Elvehnan when it happened. And Abelas also says, when you invite him to join the Inquisition because Corypheus killed his people, "We killed ourselves, long ago."

 

All signs point to another of the Elvhen as Mythal's traitor/s, especially since it's only the people who you consider close to you that have the potential to betray you.

[Caddius]

I really don't see how it could have been humans who killed Mythal. I watched the scene again on YouTube (gosh I've forgotten how much I like Abelas's voice), and he says, "She was slain, if a god truly can be. Betrayed by those who destroyed this temple."

 

Assuming the fall of Arlathan truly began when Mythal was slain, I don't see how the as-yet pithy humans could have had the power to invade an elven temple, or wherever Mythal was in Elvehnan when it happened. And Abelas also says, when you invite him to join the Inquisition because Corypheus killed his people, "We killed ourselves, long ago."

 

All signs point to another of the Elvhen as Mythal's traitor/s, especially since it's only the people who you consider close to you that have the potential to betray you.

Hmm. Is that an exact quote from Abelas from a Pro-Templar run? If so, then I've been using someone's misquotation for awhile now as the basis of a lot of my theories. *sobs*

So if that rules out the Neromenians...

What do we think of the Brecilian Forest and the Grand Oak Tree's comment? Namely, that there's a mixture of human and elven architecture and culture, and that the Oak Tree sees, "Hmm? No, it wasn't the humans and elves fighting that ended this place. It was they who had built this place, long ago."

[Janic99]

I should've focused on the lesson in school.. instead this happened:

[flabbadence]

Yes, that is what I mean. Ignore if it is physical or mental. I have no problem with that. It is probably the oldest philosophical question: what is real? Is the thought alone what gives shapes to the things? Does colour exist if we cannot see? What else exists what we cannot perceive? Maybe there's demons all around us but we just do not know because there is a mental barricade, something that keeps our brain from perceiving and interpreting the signals. Maybe those people who see ghosts are not mad but their mental barrier is just weakened and they catch glimpses of what lies beyond. And so on. I do not wish to express a personal opinion, I only want to point out that it does not matter if the veil is "physical" or not. It's an "implementation detail".

 

My question is merely: if it was created (deliberately) by mages then what was before? Or rather how was before? And, of course, when was that even.

 

And maybe it is totally unimportant, but I'd still like to know. Probably just like with the universe. Scientists say it keeps expanding. But where to? And what is there now? It makes no difference for our world but, damn, I'd like to know.

 

The thing with comparing Thedas with our world though, is, fundamentally, they're just very different. We don't have magic for one (at least I don't think so, though I still haven't given up on my Hogwarts acceptance letter. it will come goddamnit!), our lucid dreamers aren't mages, if we ever had dragons they're probably already extinct. So I think what's real in Thedas, even if we don't think of it as just this constructed fictional world, is a very different concept from what I would consider real in this world.

 

Umm, does that make sense?

 

As for what was there before the Veil, I'm going with what Solas said. I'm not certain he's ever experienced what it is to have the Veil completely gone, especially if he was a late addition to the pantheon, as I'm assuming. If anyone knew, it was probably Elgar'nan. Maybe Mythal too.

 

But yes, I really want to know how Thedas could have been created, just as I want to see beyond the Planck Wall. But this is one question I think the writers will never answer, since they said they want to leave the question of whether the Maker exists or not up in the air. And some part of me prefers the mystery as well.

[flabbadence]

Hmm. Is that an exact quote from Abelas from a Pro-Templar run? If so, then I've been using someone's misquotation for awhile now as the basis of a lot of my theories. *sobs*

So if that rules out the Neromenians...

What do we think of the Brecilian Forest and the Grand Oak Tree's comment? Namely, that there's a mixture of human and elven architecture and culture, and that the Oak Tree sees, "Hmm? No, it wasn't the humans and elves fighting that ended this place. It was they who had built this place, long ago."

 

Yep, pro-templar run, though I remember him saying the same things during my pro-mage run. Here's the video:

 

 

The Brecillian Forest though, I think that can be explained by Tyrdda's Saga. Elves and humans did have a relationship, of sorts, before Arlathan fell, so maybe the ruins we find there are just remnants of it. And even in Tyrdda's Saga, the relationship isn't equal. The Lady of the Skies is obviously superior to Tyrdda. She's the one who provides all the magic, and all the wisdom, so again, humans couldn't have been powerful enough to destroy Mythal at the peak of her power.

 

Edit: And btw

 

Theories come and go

[Addai]

Hmm. Is that an exact quote from Abelas from a Pro-Templar run? If so, then I've been using someone's misquotation for awhile now as the basis of a lot of my theories. *sobs*

So if that rules out the Neromenians...

What do we think of the Brecilian Forest and the Grand Oak Tree's comment? Namely, that there's a mixture of human and elven architecture and culture, and that the Oak Tree sees, "Hmm? No, it wasn't the humans and elves fighting that ended this place. It was they who had built this place, long ago."

It's not just pro-templar, he always says that. It's pretty clear that she was betrayed by elvhen and/or other elvhen gods.

 

I think some elves allied with early humans as well as fought them. Possibly different elven factions fighting each other. This would be much like actual history. Most people think of the Crusades as Christians vs. Muslims, for instance, not realizing that sometimes these groups allied with each other to fight their own.

[Avejajed]

Good morning! What's today's topic?

[Caddius]

Good morning! What's today's topic?

Flabbadence quite kindly destroying my soul, at the moment.

[Siha]

The thing with comparing Thedas with our world though, is, fundamentally, they're just very different. We don't have magic for one (at least I don't think so, though I still haven't given up on my Hogwarts acceptance letter. it will come goddamnit!), our lucid dreamers aren't mages, if we ever had dragons they're probably already extinct. So I think what's real in Thedas, even if we don't think of it as just this constructed fictional world, is a very different concept from what I would consider real in this world.

 

Umm, does that make sense?

 

As for what was there before the Veil, I'm going with what Solas said. I'm not certain he's ever experienced what it is to have the Veil completely gone, especially if he was a late addition to the pantheon, as I'm assuming. If anyone knew, it was probably Elgar'nan. Maybe Mythal too.

 

But yes, I really want to know how Thedas could have been created, just as I want to see beyond the Planck Wall. But this is one question I think the writers will never answer, since they said they want to leave the question of whether the Maker exists or not up in the air. And some part of me prefers the mystery as well.

 

I... am not sure I understand. How does "what is real in Thedas might be different from what is real here" relate to "reality depends largely on our ability to perceive"? Even in a world with magic humans are still human. If their brain is (made) incapable of perceiving things (e.g., demons around them) they will not know that these things exist. Or did you mean that the humans in Thedas are all different from us humans, i.e., their brains work all different? Because I assume even a Thedasian still has a brain like we do, including cognitive filters and such.

 

I just wonder why (in case the veil was created deliberately by mages) there are no accounts of the previous state. No letters, no books, no sort of written or oral lore. I find that odd. Because for mages to have created the breach, at least some of the races (elves/humans/Qunari) must have existed. Why did no one ever tell his children "Hey, you know, when I was still young, there were demons running all over this place"?

[flabbadence]

Good morning! What's today's topic?

 

Ermmmm.

 

Immortality, the Veil, ancient elven-human relationships?

 

Oh, and also, check out this smut: http://dragonage-kin...14209#t48514209

[flabbadence]

Flabbadence quite kindly destroying my soul, at the moment.

 

Lmao, is that the case? You have a very subdued way of enduring soul destruction then.

 

 

I... am not sure I understand. How does "what is real in Thedas might be different from what is real here" relate to "reality depends largely on our ability to perceive"? Even in a world with magic humans are still human. If their brain is (made) incapable of perceiving things (e.g., demons around them) they will not know that these things exist. Or did you mean that the humans in Thedas are all different from us humans, i.e., their brains work all different? Because I assume even a Thedasian still has a brain like we do, including cognitive filters and such.

 

I just wonder why (in case the veil was created deliberately by mages) there are no accounts of the previous state. No letters, no books, no sort of written or oral lore. I find that odd. Because for mages to have created the breach, at least some of the races (elves/humans/Qunari) must have existed. Why did no one ever tell his children "Hey, you know, when I was still young, there were demons running all over this place"?

 

Hrmmm....

 

For example, the way magic works in Thedas. It's mostly by tapping into the Fade right? The land of dreams, of imagination, and magic is just willing that imagination into reality. But here, it's not that simple. If you want something done, you can't just dream it up and have it manifest. You want fire, you have to rub some flint together, or get a match. I think that's primarily what I'm thinking when I say reality is different here than it is in Thedas.

 

The lack of records I think can mostly be explained by the destruction of Arlathan and the imprisonment of the Creators. If there were ever records of how Thedas was without the Veil, it would have been there. But yep, gone now.

[Caddius]

So Abelas's comment about how the Well of Myhal may be too much for 'a mortal to handle' implies that the Sentinels are still immortal. Which to me implies that Fen'harel and Mythal are definitely immortal. Flemeth aging is just that. Flemeth's mortal body aging, since Mythal is but a wisp of what she was.g

The way Solas emphasizes 'there is a place for you, lethallin,' definitely makes me think that Solas is well aware of where to find other Ancient Elvhen, even if he hasn't spoken to them in a long time. Perhaps they mingled in the Fade.

"It was they who destroyed this Temple," is interesting. So they not only took down Mythal, but also launched an assault against one of her centers of power. If they managed to kill Mythal during the assault, that's doubly impressive.

Solas's translated comment about the vallaslin. (The one he fudges on. ) It could just be that he's saying, "Abelas, your time in servitude is done." But isn't it something like 'The time of the vallaslin is over,"?

Like he's reassuring him, "The age of elvhen slavery is over. I made sure of that. And I'm going to end elven slavery as well. Just you watch, Mr. Thighs."

EDIT: My dear Flabbadence, mine is the heritage of Acadian furriers, exiled Scottish rogues, incomprehensible Welshmen, English-seducing Irishmen, stiff-necked Angles, Micmac hunters, Danish dairy farmers, and flamboyant Canadian pirates. I've been enduring my soul being destroyed for years from all the interracial conflict going on here. 

EDIT EDIT: I forgot the German bricklayers and Italian truck drivers!

[Avejajed]

Flabbadence quite kindly destroying my soul, at the moment.

 

 

Ermmmm.

 

Immortality, the Veil, ancient elven-human relationships?

 

Oh, and also, check out this smut: http://dragonage-kin...14209#t48514209

 

I can't check out smut at work, but it's on my list for lunchtime.

 

Second, Flabbadence, be nice to poor Cad.

 

Also, who the hell posted that horrible sad artwork about Solas dying in Lavellan's arms. Not okay. 

 

Third, I'm down with some theories. I made it to work today after we got 15 inches of snow yesterday but lots of people are out so I think it's going to be one of those quiet days where I'll have time to talk.

 

I don't have any great theories about immortality but! I find this topic an interesting one, so I approve.