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[Satsumi]

*cries*  I just got caught up with the pages from this morning (my entire lunch break!) and now it's time for p-chem lab.  Why must real life exist?  

[BoscoBread]

That said- I don't know if they would have got on so well had it not been for Redcliffe. Just dropping both of them together, they'd probably try to out ego one another. But Redcliffe was really a game changer for my girl. And Dorian is the only person who had that shared experience. Dorian probably knew that Lavellan was in love with Solas before Solas knew just from how she reacted in the alternate-world.

Agreed.   My Lavellan is really pretty gregarious.  She loves being loved and is similar to Dorian in that way.  She tries to find the good in everyone and tries her best to accept each one of them as they are.  I think that's why she bonded with Sera.  Sera's just one of those people that you can just say "eff it" and hang out on the roof making fun of people and forget that you're in mortal peril for 10 min. 

 

All of them knew my Lavellan was in love with Solas well before she did. 

[Mims]

I honestly didn't like Cole much until I did the templar side. Feels closer when you share experiences with those two.

 

Yeah, that is definitely a downside. Cole's introduction makes so much more sense with the templar route. But unfortunately, I am a sucker for time travel stories and I loved the interactions with Dorian. So that ended up being my canon. 

[Colonelkillabee]

Yeah, that is definitely a downside. Cole's introduction makes so much more sense with the templar route. But unfortunately, I am a sucker for time travel stories and I loved the interactions with Dorian. So that ended up being my canon. 

Yep... wish we could do both, but it adds to replayability.

[Patchwork]

I love that line. Also, 'try not to die, I would miss you if you were gone.' 

 

You just really get the sense that Dorian doesn't have a lot of friends, and the relationship with a friendInquisitor, whether romantic or not, is very important to him. It was one of the better friendship paths bioware has done. I really felt attached to Dorian. I like to think he and my Lavellan have sort of a brother/sister relationship. 

 

This is actually the first game where I would say that my player character's closest relationship isn't with his/her romantic partner. Morrigan and my Warden got along fabulously. Garrus and Shepard were pretty much inseparable from the start. Solas and Lavellan are certainly in love, and they do care for each other, but there's also a wall there. 

 

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing either. It was part of what made the romance feel very different from the rest. 

 

For my Lady Hawke Varric was her closest relationship during the Kirkwall years, Fenris had a lot to work through and while they were friends there was also this awkwardness between them because they both wanted to be more than that. Lavellan started off highly suspicious of Dorian but time travel makes fast friends even if it isn't always easy because of their different backgrounds. 

 

I prefer the templar recruitment quest and I've been waffling about which way to go for my eventual canon run and this conversation has sealed it- conscripted mages it is. Which will make 4 things she and Solas will disagree about.  

[Mims]

Agreed.   My Lavellan is really pretty gregarious.  She loves being loved and is similar to Dorian in that way.  She tries to find the good in everyone and tries her best to accept each one of them as they are.  I think that's why she bonded with Sera.  Sera's just one of those people that you can just say "eff it" and hang out on the roof making fun of people and forget that you're in mortal peril for 10 min. 

 

All of them knew my Lavellan was in love with Solas well before she did. 

 

Sera is an interesting case. Unfortunately I don't know if my Lavellan had as close of a relationship with her. My girl is a bit wild and enjoys acting crazy from time to time, but she still considers herself an intellectual and knows when to play serious. Sera's inability to think ahead a is a major sore spot between them. Not to mention her constantly dismissing their heritage. 

 

But while they aren't buddy-buddy...I do think that beyond my girl's temper, she does realize that Sera isn't really intentionally trying to rile her. And because of that, she tries to look out for her. Or at least limit the collateral damage. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Yeah, that is definitely a downside. Cole's introduction makes so much more sense with the templar route. But unfortunately, I am a sucker for time travel stories and I loved the interactions with Dorian. So that ended up being my canon. 

 

I'm the opposite, I love the templar route   And if you go to Redcliffe first and you've already met Dorian, it makes sense for him to randomly turn up at Haven.

 

I do wish that the two storylines weren't so mutually exclusive.  I made my decision of Redcliffe vs. Therinfall based on what I thought my PC would do, not whether I wanted the mage or the templar epilogue.  Having played both now I think the templars are the stronger story of the two, especially with Calpernia as your secondary villain.  She's just too awesome.  But it'd be nice to see what happens with the mages in the epilogue if you picked the templars, and vice versa.  Presumably they aren't all dead or under Corypheus's thumb.

 

 

Sera is an interesting case. Unfortunately I don't know if my Lavellan had as close of a relationship with her. My girl is a bit wild and enjoys acting crazy from time to time, but she still considers herself an intellectual and knows when to play serious. Sera's inability to think ahead a is a major sore spot between them. Not to mention her constantly dismissing their heritage. 

 

My Lavellan and Sera were thick as thieves until the Temple of Mythal.  They had a pretty intense falling-out between that and Sera's comments about the vallaslin. Lavellan's had to grow up so much in a short period of time, and Sera gets to stay Sera.  Part of me hopes that Sera matures a little; I really liked their friendship, and I'd like them to be able to patch things up.  Though that might be left to headcanon.

[BoscoBread]

My Lavellan and Sera were thick as thieves until the Temple of Mythal.  They had a pretty intense falling-out between that and Sera's comments about the vallaslin. Lavellan's had to grow up so much in a short period of time, and Sera gets to stay Sera.  Part of me hopes that Sera matures a little; I really liked their friendship, and I'd like them to be able to patch things up.  Though that might be left to headcanon.

Yeah. My Lavellan didn't remove the vallaslin.  She believed Solas and for the 5 seconds she was able she appreciated that he told her.  She wanted more time to think about it, the tattoos have been part of her for so long and even if she's not super-Dalish, she still is proud to be marked as one of them.   She wanted the decision to be for her and not for him - even though she knows that's not why he told her.  So I never had the nasty conversation with Sera about it. 

 

I do agree about her attitude after Mythal.  I wouldn't say they had a falling out but my Lavellan was a bit tired of Sera just writing everything off even when evidence was right in front of her face.  Words were said.  Their tempers cooled after Corypheus was defeated.   She appreciates Sera for what she is...just Sera. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

I do agree about her attitude after Mythal.  I wouldn't say they had a falling out but my Lavellan was a bit tired of Sera just writing everything off even when evidence was right in front of her face.  Words were said.  Their tempers cooled after Corypheus was defeated.   She appreciates Sera for what she is...just Sera. 

 

My Lavellan's spat with Sera was TBH as much her fault as Sera's.  She cares so much about the truth, to a fault, and Sera writing it off just because she found the truth uncomfortable drove her nuts.  It's the same reason why the Herald of Andraste title gets under her skin so badly; she never really gets over that, even toward the end of the game.  So things came to a bit of a head between them, Sera's character flaws clashing with my Lavellan's in pretty spectacular fashion.

 

They're pretty civil and friendly after Corypheus's defeat, but I wouldn't say they're quite friends at that point.  It'll take time.

 

Edit for TOP:  wow, the hat doesn't look immensely stupid.  The power of fanart!

Source: http://sing-sei.tumblr.com/

[nikki-tikki]

My lavellan was friends with Sera because she was always there when she was needed most. But then there was the times where she just didn't care what she said to lavellan and may have hurt her feelings. But Sera will be Sera, and I think Lavellan understands that.

[Avejajed]

The utter lack of communication at my place of business today is driving me ****** insane.

 

Thank god for this thread to distract me from the stupidity of people.

[Colonelkillabee]

My Lavellan's spat with Sera was TBH as much her fault as Sera's.  She cares so much about the truth, to a fault, and Sera writing it off just because she found the truth uncomfortable drove her nuts.  It's the same reason why the Herald of Andraste title gets under her skin so badly; she never really gets over that, even toward the end of the game.  So things came to a bit of a head between them, Sera's character flaws clashing with my Lavellan's in pretty spectacular fashion.

 

They're pretty civil and friendly after Corypheus's defeat, but I wouldn't say they're quite friends at that point.  It'll take time.

Sera is the type of person I avoid because she has way too many personal issues for me to bother minesweeping and tip toeing around. I don't honestly care about her enough to give the effort. I'm here for a job, not to worry about her weird tiresome "personality".

[Avejajed]

Sera is the type of person I avoid because she has way too many personal issues for me to bother minesweeping and tip toeing around. I don't honestly care about her enough to give the effort. I'm here for a job, not to worry about her weird tiresome "personality".

 

Most of my characters I've played so far have related to Sera the same way- as a little sister type figure. Someone who is mostly "tolerated" but defended when need be and put in her place when need be. She can have fun with her and distance herself when that need comes too. She's fine until she puts one of her own into danger, and then she needs an earful.

 

We shall see what happens when Sera is rude to Lavellan after Solas dumps her though.

[OhDaniGirl28]

I love how I keep noticing new little tells from Solas about his true nature.

Was just going through the Emerald Graves (near Elgar'nan's Bastion), and he made a comment about how the forest has changed since he was last there.

And I could imagine my Lavellan thinking, 'Solas, this forest is ANCIENT. It probably hasn't changed in ages! How long ago were you here!?'

I love when he slips up.

[BoscoBread]

I love how I keep noticing new little tells from Solas about his true nature.

Was just going through the Emerald Graves (near Elgar'nan's Bastion), and he made a comment about how the forest has changed since he was last there.

And I could imagine my Lavellan thinking, 'Solas, this forest is ANCIENT. It probably hasn't changed in ages! How long ago were you here!?'

I love when he slips up.

If you have Blackwall in your party, Blackwall calls him out. He says "What are you talking about? I was here 30 years ago and it hasn't changed a bit" and Solas is like 'uhh..the fade...derp"

[Colonelkillabee]

Most of my characters I've played so far have related to Sera the same way- as a little sister type figure. Someone who is mostly "tolerated" but defended when need be and put in her place when need be. She can have fun with her and distance herself when that need comes too. She's fine until she puts one of her own into danger, and then she needs an earful.

Agreed. I mentioned before that I saw her as a little sister too, one that I thought could benefit from being in the inquisition, seeing how real work is done. Thought it would help her mature. When that didn't happen though, and that whole noble thing came up (I gladly let her kill him eventually and gave the order myself), she still needed to be talked down to for her own good. Didn't seem to help much. I did her "friendship" path once too. Meh, she learns nothing from having that personality fed. Won't do again.

 

No one can say I didn't try to help her.

[Mims]

Was just going through the Emerald Graves (near Elgar'nan's Bastion), and he made a comment about how the forest has changed since he was last there.
 

 

That line also has a double edge of sadness to it, considering most of the trees planted in the emerald graves are for dead elves during the exalted march. Maybe it wasn't even a forest back when he knew it. 

[Armdin]

Sera is the type of person I avoid because she has way too many personal issues for me to bother minesweeping and tip toeing around. I don't honestly care about her enough to give the effort. I'm here for a job, not to worry about her weird tiresome "personality".

 

That's how I feel about her the majority of the time. She's hilarious and I was convinced when I made my own Lavellan that I'd be romancing her, but once I started trying to get to know her and realizing how much I'd have to go against what my Lavellan actually thinks to get her approval, that quickly went south.

[jellobell]

If you have Blackwall in your party, Blackwall calls him out. He says "What are you talking about? I was here 30 years ago and it hasn't changed a bit" and Solas is like 'uhh..the fade...derp"

I loved that.   He really does use "I saw it in the Fade" for pretty much everything. 

[Avejajed]

Agreed. I mentioned before that I saw her as a little sister too, one that I thought could benefit from being in the inquisition, seeing how real work is done. Thought it would help her mature. When that didn't happen though, and that whole noble thing came up (I gladly let her kill him eventually and gave the order myself), she still needed to be talked down to for her own good. Didn't seem to help much. I did her "friendship" path once too. Meh, she learns nothing from having that personality fed. Won't do again.

 

No one can say I didn't try to help her.

 

I mostly need her reaction to learning the truth about Solas- learning that that was all real.

 

But I have a feeling she wouldn't believe it if she saw it (clearly she tries to pretend it didn't even happen when she sees things she doesn't like)- and I don't know how you'd go about proving it to her if she's just going to stick her fingers in her ears and go LALALALALALLA anyway.

[Giton]

Yeah. My Lavellan didn't remove the vallaslin.  She believed Solas and for the 5 seconds she was able she appreciated that he told her.  She wanted more time to think about it, the tattoos have been part of her for so long and even if she's not super-Dalish, she still is proud to be marked as one of them.   She wanted the decision to be for her and not for him - even though she knows that's not why he told her.  So I never had the nasty conversation with Sera about it. 

 

I do agree about her attitude after Mythal.  I wouldn't say they had a falling out but my Lavellan was a bit tired of Sera just writing everything off even when evidence was right in front of her face.  Words were said.  Their tempers cooled after Corypheus was defeated.   She appreciates Sera for what she is...just Sera. 

I, too, LOVED the friendship paths with Cassandra (my Goddess) and Dorian. When Dorian says, "I believe in you," I wanted to hug the crap out of him. (Sidenote: I wish there were more options to hug . . . I mean resources were spent allowing you to punch Dorian and Solas--I want to hug them and squeeze them and love them and pat them and call them George).

 

With Sera, my first play through I was so sad/pissed after the "What did you do to your face? / Dalish are idjits!" conversation. But I now appreciate her character more. I really think that we are not getting all of the pieces with Sera. There seems to be something missing. I don't subscribe to the Sera/Elven Goddess theory, but I do think that the theory allows us to think about more deeply about her character. The writers have to be very economical in what they include, and questions about her training stuck out. Or questions of Sera's concern with the existential Void/Nothingness. I want to know more, and I'm not sure we are getting all the pieces.

[Colonelkillabee]

That's how I feel about her the majority of the time. She's hilarious and I was convinced when I made my own Lavellan that I'd be romancing her, but once I started trying to get to know her and realizing how much I'd have to go against what my Lavellan actually thinks to get her approval, that quickly went south.

I'll be honest, sometimes she does make me laugh, but most of the time I'm just stitting there shaking my head saying "What was bioware thinking". She sticks out like a sore thumb. And then other times she kills her own jokes, lol.

 

But certain moments made me think she might not be so bad. "Most people are stupid." Yea, tell me about it Sera....

 

I mostly need her reaction to learning the truth about Solas- learning that that was all real.

 

But I have a feeling she wouldn't believe it if she saw it (clearly she tries to pretend it didn't even happen when she sees things she doesn't like)- and I don't know how you'd go about proving it to her if she's just going to stick her fingers in her ears and go LALALALALALLA anyway.

And that's another thing... I get that not everyone could respond well to such utterly earth shattering occurances... but lord, I couldn't put up with anything like that. Reminds me of the little girl on the walking dead game that wouldn't move because she was just broken by reality when she saw the truth of the world for herself.

 

I left her for dead. She was a hindrance. And I think if you see a ripped hole in the sky and a guy that opens portals with his hand and you want to help with all that... it requires some sort of open mind or readiness to accept what you're seeing.

 

She doesn't have to believe everything or anything that was there, but she seems like she does and just can't cope with that. And that... is something that requires therapy, which I unfortunately cannot provide.

[jellobell]

That's how I feel about her the majority of the time. She's hilarious and I was convinced when I made my own Lavellan that I'd be romancing her, but once I started trying to get to know her and realizing how much I'd have to go against what my Lavellan actually thinks to get her approval, that quickly went south.

Yeah, I love Sera, but I can't ever see myself making an Inquisitor to romance her. She seems so much younger than everyone else in the Inquisition. I want to ruffle her hair and eat cookies on the roof with her, but she's way too childish for me to take seriously as a romance.

 

And I dunno, I have a feeling that Sera would take the Solas reveal better than the Mythal one. After all, she knows Solas. She knows he ain't no god. I think she'd be all, "You expect me to believe that ol' droopy-ears is a god? Pull the other one", and ultimately take on a "Solas is Solas" attitude, like she did after she found out about Blackwall. And since Solas doesn't seem to think of himself or the other creators as gods either, she'd probably be right.

 

Also also, I really want to see this conversation firsthand, but I've never gotten it (probably because I've only played Lavellans so far).

 

From Tumblr:

 

 

I just talked to Solas after Halamshiral and (now that I’m past the “first playthrough ass-kissing” stage) I told him he needed to not be such a butt about Sera and

 

Inquisitor: Sera is part of our team. You don’t need to be snide about her.

 

Solas: Actually, on some level, I do.  She takes it better than she would my pity…or my envy.  She has a purity of purpose that I lack.  I have observed too much and done too little.

 

Gah, I love it. And he's so right. Sera is happiest when she has something to push back against. She wouldn't know what to do with either pity or envy. She'd probably just get mad anyways. She gets along best with Solas when he's trolling her, and he realizes why.

[Mims]

 

And I dunno, I have a feeling that Sera would take the Solas reveal better than the Mythal one. After all, she knows Solas. She knows he ain't no god. I think she'd be all, "You expect me to believe that ol' droopy-ears is a god? Pull the other one", and ultimately take on a "Solas is Solas" attitude, like she did after she found out about Blackwall. And since Solas doesn't seem to think of himself or the other creators as gods either, she'd probably be right.

 

 

For some reason I always imagine her reaction being something like: 

 

Sera: Woow. You're kinda shite at bein a god, you know?

Solas: I am getting that impression, yes. 

[Avejajed]

I'll be honest, sometimes she does make me laugh, but most of the time I'm just stitting there shaking my head saying "What was bioware thinking". She sticks out like a sore thumb. And then other times she kills her own jokes, lol.

 

But certain moments made me think she might not be so bad. "Most people are stupid." Yea, tell me about it Sera....

 

And that's another thing... I get that not everyone could respond well to such utterly earth shattering occurances... but lord, I couldn't put up with anything like that. Reminds me of the little girl on the walking dead game that wouldn't move because she was just broken by reality when she saw the truth of the world for herself.

 

I left her for dead. She was a hindrance. And I think if you see a ripped hole in the sky and a guy that opens portals with his hand and you want to help with all that... it requires some sort of open mind or readiness to accept what you're seeing.

 

She doesn't have to believe everything or anything that was there, but she seems like she does and just can't cope with that. And that... is something that requires therapy, which I unfortunately cannot provide.

 

Can you imagine the therapy bill the inquisition would rack up? We all need therapy.

 

AND now I need couples therapy Solas and Lavellan artwork. Oh god.