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[Caddius]

Oh my god guys. Duke Paul's wife just died. They were on a lovely cottage retreat and she just... died.

 

What, did things get too frisky for their old bodies?

Eh, it's Kirkwall, ain't it?

Scottish blood mage in the bushes.   DAMN THOSE SCOTTISH BLOOD MAGES! *shakes fist*

How's your playthrough going? Mine...wasn't going so well. 

I'm looking into getting the Charlemagne expansion. Purely so I can make custom DA kingdoms and nerd out.

Someone needs to make a Dragon Age overhaul mod for CKII, like they did with Game of Thrones. I heard some Russian modders were looking into it. 

[Siha]

I'm laughing because I actually had a friend message me directly after finding out the big bad was Corypheus: "Hawke! She's done messed up again!"

Outwardly, I could only nod and agree. Inwardly, I began to cackle because he actually really likes Solas and it's like "No, Solas's done messed up again."

I suppose we should be glad Hawke and Solas never have to execute any plans together. Love them both, but no way.

 

Enough of this!

Hawke did not mess up. She killed that thing. She checked its body. Varric checked the body. Bethany and Fenris, too. It was dead. How is that messing up?

If one cheats at Poker how is it the fault of the other players?

What could she have done? Stab and burn the body and spill acid over it and bury it and stab it again? Even that would not have helped a bit because the soul had not cared and simply hopped on. Corypheus had not yet split his life force into separate parts and planted one part in a corrupted dragon, so there was basically no way of really killing him at that time (stupid plan of his doing that, thinking about it now).

 

There is no way to compare her believing a cold dead body implied a cold dead soul to Solas' deliberate act of throwing the ball and risking an interception instead of giving it to Lynch and letting him break through the defense carrying it giving the orb to Corypheus willingly, vaguely hoping to kill him in the process of using it (if that is true).

 

I don't like to constantly hear how Hawke is a single big mistake. That's not funny! I spent multiple playthroughs with her, Kirkwall felt like home, I genuinely like her and bonded so much more strongly with her than any of the rather characterless characters. Hawke was awsome.

 

I'm not actually annoyed. But Hawke also did not actually mess up anything.

 

[Caddius]

Enough of this!

Hawke did not mess up. She killed that thing. She checked its body. Varric checked the body. Bethany and Fenris, too. It was dead. How is that messing up?

If one cheats at Poker how is it the fault of the other players?

What could she have done? Stab and burn the body and spill acid over it and bury it and stab it again? Even that would not have helped a bit because the soul had not cared and simply hopped on. Corypheus had not yet split his life force into separate parts and planted one part in a corrupted dragon, so there was basically no way of really killing him at that time (stupid plan of his doing that, thinking about it now).

 

There is no way to compare her believing a cold dead body implied a cold dead soul to Solas' deliberate act of throwing the ball and risking an interception instead of giving it to Lynch and letting him break through the defense carrying it giving the orb to Corypheus willingly, vaguely hoping to kill him in the process of using it (if that is true).

 

I don't like to constantly hear how Hawke is a single big mistake. That's not funny! I spent multiple playthroughs with her, Kirkwall felt like home, I genuinely like her and bonded so much stronger with her than any of the rather characterless characters. Hawke was awsome.

 

I'm not actually annoyed. But Hawke also did not actually mess up anything.

 

As a Washingtonian, I feel like I should be vaguely outraged.

As myself, I'm vaguely impressed I even caught the Superbowl reference. 

But yeah. Hawke's main screw-up was not being the Ultimate Hero That Has the Power of Plot to Fix Everything. She wasn't perfect, but she was much better than most.

The red lyrium was Bartrand's fault, largely. And Hawke and Varric's mistake there was one of ignorance and innocence.

While I would have been suspicious of Larius in Hawke's situation, namely the grammar change to fit Cory's, I doubt I would have tackled him. Even then, it would have solved nothing. Once Corypheus was out, he was out.

Makes you wonder how they got him sealed up in the first place.

As for Act II, the fanatics in the city poked the Arishok with a stick for years, and Hawke (in most playthroughs) is one of the only reasons it didn't happen sooner, and shuts it down fast.

In Act III, the fault is mainly with Anders and Meredith. Meredith, for being completely illogical and homicidal and on red lyrium, and Anders, for deliberately provoking her to make a point to mages across Thedas. (I thought it was dumb at first that blowing up the Chantry would 'solve everything'. But Anders' plan worked pretty much as he wanted it to.)

[Meer]

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Eep. I have to say, Hawke is actually my favorite protagonist of the series. What I said was entirely meant in jest. That post really meant to imply my friend assumed Hawke made the big mistake (he hasn't even yet met her in game); I felt like cackling because the person at fault, as you say, is actually Solas.

No offense toward the character was intended.

[Maria13]

I loved this game...loved the Solas romance....felt legitimately sad for a few days afterwards....but man, that very promising fairy-tale dance scene at the palace was really ruined by that hat I don't remember any of the other characters having to wear one?! Its not like its disguising the fact he's an elf....ugh. Takes away from the scene more than the fact that the two of them are dressed the same.

 

 

I think it is Sola's version of a disguise... Unlike any of the others there who don't care too much about hiding what they are, Sera, Dorian, IB, Solas alone adopts a disguise, Solas alone poses as a servant...

 

I find that interesting, either he gets a kick out of it... Well he might well do, powerful god posing as lowly servant, or he might be worried that someone will recognise him, perhaps? After all, outside the inquisition this is the biggest meeting he will ever attend...

 

"A very careful apostate..." Hmmm....

[Aetheria]

There is one thing I think we can accuse Hawke of: having a talent for ending up in the wrong place at the wrong time. XD

 

(Also speaking of who's at fault in Act 3, did anyone else feel like they just threw in the Harvester thing at the end because they forgot to make the Circle at-fault enough? "Oh, we spent too much time on templars stomping about and oppressing everyone and forgot to make this a MORALLY GRAY and SUPER AMBIGUOUS decision... Okay, let's just have everyone go totally nuts for very little reason! After you've already decided who to support! Such gray! Much ambiguous!")

[Caddius]

There is one thing I think we can accuse Hawke of: having a talent for ending up in the wrong place at the wrong time. XD

 

(Also speaking of who's at fault in Act 3, did anyone else feel like they just threw in the Harvester thing at the end because they forgot to make the Circle at-fault enough? "Oh, we spent too much time on templars stomping about and oppressing everyone and forgot to make this a MORALLY GRAY and SUPER AMBIGUOUS decision... Okay, let's just have everyone go totally nuts for very little reason! After you've already decided who to support! Such gray! Much ambiguous!")

I believe one department wanted another boss fight. The writers, judging by what they have in Varric's conversation about it in Inquisition as well as some interviews, were not pleased.

Y'know, it's been a decade or so since Golems of Amgarrak. That Harvester horde has got to have done something terrifying in the meantime...

[Meer]

I think it is Sola's version of a disguise... Unlike any of the others there who don't care too much about hiding what they are, Sera, Dorian, IB, Solas alone adopts a disguise, Solas alone poses as a servant...

 

I find that interesting, either he gets a kick out of it... Well he might well do, powerful god posing as lowly servant, or he might be worried that someone will recognise him, perhaps? After all, outside the inquisition this is the biggest meeting he will ever attend...

 

"A very careful apostate..." Hmmm....

The other thing I find interesting about his "disguise" at Halamshiral is that he adopts it even when the Inquisitor is elven. It struck me as odd at first, that an elf should have an elven manservant and that would be expected, especially since Sera doesn't do the same. 

[Maria13]

Is brother Genitivi still...alive? I remember being able to kill him in Origins but never doing it. He might've gotten blown up at the conclave, but I hope he's still around.

 

 

Teresa of Avila is my mother's patron saint! She's the best.

 

I went to Uni in Spain one of my Spanish Lit lecturers, yep, she was female, was a great fan... She recounted two anecdotes about Teresa that I can still recall. One she visited the convent in Avila and was shown the cell where Teresa lived and work... She asked where Teresa's writing desk was... The Rev Mother told her there was no writing desk, Teresa wrote on her knees on the floor of the cell...

 

Another was that the nuns used homemade ink (which occasionally was said to include blood, but I digress) good thing too, because this ink was far more durable and visible than that used by the inquisition censors... So Teresa's prose can still be seen very clearly on the original manuscripts whereas the inquisitors' deletions, amendments and comments have all but disappeared over time...

[Maria13]

The other thing I find interesting about his "disguise" at Halamshiral is that he adopts it even when the Inquisitor is elven. It struck me as odd at first, that an elf should have an elven manservant and that would be expected, especially since Sera doesn't do the same. 

 

So it's not contingent upon the inquisitor, he always adopts it then... Interesting.

[Siha]

As a Washingtonian, I feel like I should be vaguely outraged.

[...]

But yeah. Hawke's main screw-up was not being the Ultimate Hero That Has the Power of Plot to Fix Everything.

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The red lyrium was Bartrand's fault, largely. And Hawke and Varric's mistake there was one of ignorance and innocence.

While I would have been suspicious of Larius in Hawke's situation, namely the grammar change to fit Cory's, I doubt I would have tackled him. Even then, it would have solved nothing. Once Corypheus was out, he was out.

[...]

(I thought it was dumb at first that blowing up the Chantry would 'solve everything'. But Anders' plan worked pretty much as he wanted it to.)

 

Nooo, Washington is great and all. It's done so much for... the world... like... Sleepless in Seattle, right? Huge hit! (I'm sorry, I have never been there, I know nothing.) I only wanted to point out the difference between a "bad decision" and a "situation".

 

The Hawke I played would have been suspicious of Larius. I was shocked she just said "You changed... oh well, must have been the wind. See ya!"

But that's the one point. All the rest she did was simply human. She had no part in the mages and Templars going crazy. She simply picked a side, tried to help, failed. Because the world usually does not care about what one person wants. I very much liked that. So while I am aware that people simply say all that about her for fun, I just don't actually understand where it comes from.

 

About Red Lyrium, I never really understood that. There was the one idol, sold by Bartrand so neither Varric nor Hawke had anything to do with that. My Hawke did not allow Varric to keep the piece, but even if it would have been okay because Varric would have had it sealed away. ("would have" ftw) How it could spread... I don't think it had anything to do with what happened in DA2, we just saw the first occurrence of it there because the infiltration was nearly complete by that time anyhow.

 

Soo... basically... Anders blew up the Chantry, finally triggering the necessary change throughout Thedas? I know you probably did not mean it that way, but now that you said it... true. It was a horrible act but it at least broke the status quo, forcing a change that might help improve things (one way or the other).

 

 

 

No offense toward the character was intended.

 

None taken. Just everybody making fun of her for being human and caring sometimes... makes me sad. It's just like the real world where people are bashed of instead of being praised for at least trying.

[Colonelkillabee]

Ok, question, where the heck does he do this goofy-ass grin?! I've been staring at this gifset and laughing for the last 5 minutes (this is a sign that it's stupid o'clock and I should probably go to bed).

 

 

http://arcanepatrol....914953581/solas

 

Lol what do you mean goofy? It makes him look a lot more handsome than normal here to me. He's like Cass, he should smile more, lol. Though he smiles more than Cass does. Cass usually just pulls a Mona Lisa. And it's always glorious.

[Kappa Neko]

I think it is Sola's version of a disguise... Unlike any of the others there who don't care too much about hiding what they are, Sera, Dorian, IB, Solas alone adopts a disguise, Solas alone poses as a servant...

 

I find that interesting, either he gets a kick out of it... Well he might well do, powerful god posing as lowly servant, or he might be worried that someone will recognise him, perhaps? After all, outside the inquisition this is the biggest meeting he will ever attend...

 

"A very careful apostate..." Hmmm....

I think it's a joke, one he seems to be enjoying quite a bit. Nice to see that he's not gloomy about the fate of the elves all the time. You'd expect him to be all grumpy at the ball about the treatment of elven servants. But nope, there we get a glimpse of his playful trickster side. He enjoys playing games and fooling everyone. It's a fitting disguise for The Game.

"Ha, tonight I'll turn into the failure I created. From immortal god to ignorant servant. Ouh, fun!"

It's an awful joke, especially coming from Solas who seems to drown in his guilt. Maybe it started out more as a sneer but then he got drunk and then thought it was all quite hilarious.

He should get drunk more often then. Life is usually absurd. Perhaps he should just laugh it off and keep going forward, not look back with bitterness. Embrace the drunk servant, Solas!

[RoyalRel]

 

Morning!

Oh God, this thread moves so FAST. Been trying to catch up, I am still not done, lol

Anything exciting in particular? I'll just keep lurking here.

 

In the meantime, have some sketches

Spoiler

 

Possible Concept for Falon'din

 

Possible Concept for Dirthamen

 

[Illyria]

What - you don't miss Hawke telling a Anders how "tortured is super sexy" after he opens up to her about his declining mental state???

 

This game was a lot better but given what we had int he past it's still not the best. There was that one flirt with Solas "What would you do to stop them?" and you're like "anything i had to" and was just like "Whoah girl, relax.  Let's not start promising bloodbaths until the 3rd date".

 

My take on some of the flirt lines to Solas (in particular the 'anything I had to' line) is that they're not really Lavellan flirting with him, they're lines that make Solas start to fall for her. 

 

Looking at it like that makes it easier to be super flirty with Cass and Sera while pursuing a Solas romance, anyway.

[RoyalRel]

My take on some of the flirt lines to Solas (in particular the 'anything I had to' line) is that they're not really Lavellan flirting with him, they're lines that make Solas start to fall for her. 

 

Looking at it like that makes it easier to be super flirty with Cass and Sera while pursuing a Solas romance, anyway.

 

I agree wholeheartedly with this. They are not so much flirty, but rather showing you care about those around you (romantic or otherwise).

[flabbadence]

Eh, it's Kirkwall, ain't it?

Scottish blood mage in the bushes.   DAMN THOSE SCOTTISH BLOOD MAGES! *shakes fist*

How's your playthrough going? Mine...wasn't going so well. 

I'm looking into getting the Charlemagne expansion. Purely so I can make custom DA kingdoms and nerd out.

Someone needs to make a Dragon Age overhaul mod for CKII, like they did with Game of Thrones. I heard some Russian modders were looking into it. 

 

Pretty boring so far actually. Just had Norway conquered by the HRE, and my dynasty's rotting far away up Scotland. I'm too used to playing as a king/queen 

[Colonelkillabee]

Also on the subject of Hawke... yea it wasn't his fault totally....

 

But.... Corypheus would have stayed sealed unless Hawke's blood was utilized to free Cornflakes with the key....

 

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Sooo..... Yea. The real problem is that Cornflakes was able to call both wardens and darkspawn to his location, so even if you cleared the place and kept the wardens out, they'd eventually be drawn to it. What should have been done is someone should have started a special sect of wardens without the taint specifically to guard that *******. If the wardens of old could do no better than seal him, what makes you think you and your band of misfits could?

 

Call it hindsight, but it still seems to me like at least part of this was a lapse in judgement. Though I'm sure many a hero would say "Na **** that! It's my destiny, I can do this!" And, he/she did technically. They should have questioned themselves on why the wardens bothered sealing the dude instead of just killing him though. This is the wardens after all. Since when do they take prisoners.

[drake2511]

Gifs/Art/Comics/Solas/Butts TIME! *waves hands maniacally*

Spoiler

http://thedreadwolfr...bbing-lavellans

Mildly NSFW?

Spoiler

http://officialpajam...-you-big-weenie

 

Spoiler

http://twinkfact0ry....cheer-myself-up

[flabbadence]

Also on the subject of Hawke... yea it wasn't his fault totally....

 

But.... Corypheus would have stayed sealed unless Hawke's blood was utilized to free Cornflakes with the key....

 

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Sooo..... Yea. The real problem is that Cornflakes was able to call both wardens and darkspawn to his location, so even if you cleared the place and kept the wardens out, they'd eventually be drawn to it. What should have been done is someone should have started a special sect of wardens without the taint specifically to guard that *******. If the wardens of old could do no better than seal him, what makes you think you and your band of misfits could?

 

Call it hindsight, but it still seems to me like at least part of this was a lapse in judgement. Though I'm sure many a hero would say "Na **** that! It's my destiny, I can do this!" And, he/she did technically. They should have questioned themselves on why the wardens bothered sealing the dude instead of just killing him though. This is the wardens after all. Since when do they take prisoners.

 

But wasn't Hawke and Co. trapped with Cory down there, and the only way out was to kill Corypheus?

[Colonelkillabee]

But wasn't Hawke and Co. trapped with Cory down there, and the only way out was to kill Corypheus?

Oh that barrier you mean? Lol I forgot about that...

 

Oops

[Maria13]

I think it's a joke, one he seems to be enjoying quite a bit. Nice to see that he's not gloomy about the fate of the elves all the time. You'd expect him to be all grumpy at the ball about the treatment of elven servants. But nope, there we get a glimpse of his playful trickster side. He enjoys playing games and fooling everyone. It's a fitting disguise for The Game.

"Ha, tonight I'll turn into the failure I created. From immortal god to ignorant servant. Ouh, fun!"

It's an awful joke, especially coming from Solas who seems to drown in his guilt. Maybe it started out more as a sneer but then he got drunk and then thought it was all quite hilarious.

He should get drunk more often then. Life is usually absurd. Perhaps he should just laugh it off and keep going forward, not look back with bitterness. Embrace the drunk servant, Solas!

 

Which would actually make him more of a sub than a dom... Somebody commented downthread that Solas dom was really popular...

[Colonelkillabee]

Which would actually make him more of a sub than a dom... Somebody commented downthread that Solas dom was really popular...

Solas could easily be both, assuming you're talking normal stuff and not the Iron Bullish kink meme stuff...

 

People are rarely one thing. And he certainly seems like he'd be submissive, and yet he takes the reins also in the romance scenes with lavellan. Ass grab FTW.

 

My man is a mage. Versatile is his middle name.

[Siha]

My take on some of the flirt lines to Solas (in particular the 'anything I had to' line) is that they're not really Lavellan flirting with him, they're lines that make Solas start to fall for her.

 

I also never took an issue with that line because it just feels right. Or maybe it just feels right for the sort of person I am. If I decide something I will pull through with it. It does not matter if I fancy Solas or not, this is about principle. I do not make up my mind for nothing! So if I said I would stop somebody then, of course, I would do it by all means necessary. Otherwise it would be like: "I will not allow it!" - "Oh, how would you prevent it?" - "Yeah, well... if it's too much effort or the others don't agree it might be best I let them just do what they want so they still like me..."

Not a snowball's chance in hell. When I say no that means no and if somebody means to disagree there will be blood. I am the one with the anchor after all!

 

 

What should have been done is someone should have started a special sect of wardens without the taint specifically to guard that *******. If the wardens of old could do no better than seal him, what makes you think you and your band of misfits could?

[...]

Call it hindsight, but it still seems to me like at least part of this was a lapse in judgement. Though I'm sure many a hero would say "Na **** that! It's my destiny, I can do this!" And, he/she did technically. They should have questioned themselves on why the wardens bothered sealing the dude instead of just killing him though. This is the wardens after all. Since when do they take prisoners.

 

First: Well, we have seen the Wardens at work. It's not all scholars, they do make stupid decisions on a daily basis. Never forget that being able to wield a sword does not necessarily make you intelligent.

 

Second: I have not replayed it in a long time but there was a reason why we had to open his prison whether we meant to "use" Corypheus or not. Only, I forgot. Anyway. The Wardens hat kept Corypheus imprisoned because they thought you should not kill him in case he could be the key to ending the Blights. It's very much like that demon army, really. (Or the base in ME2.) "If only we could control him or extract his power.... we do not know how. Yet. But we might later. Let's put him on ice for now." I might get this wrong, but this is how I understood it when playing DA2.

The writers had forced us into two things in that DLC which I did not like: opening the prison for dubious reasons (which I forgot) and not questioning the change in Larius. But the rest I was willing to put up with.

[Maria13]

Solas could easily be both, assuming you're talking normal stuff and not the Iron Bullish kink meme stuff...

 

People are rarely one thing. And he certainly seems like he'd be submissive, and yet he takes the reins also in the romance scenes with lavellan. Ass grab FTW.

 

My man is a mage. Versatile is his middle name.

 

Absolutely.  I should have probably said that he has both traits rather than just one... But the roles you enjoy playing are rather indicative.