153429 réponses à ce sujet

[tsunamitigerdragon]

. 

[Armdin]

The lack of gated romances was something I didn't enjoy (although not to say I hated) about Mass Effect. Okay, so we couldn't do by race, Shepard's human no matter how you swing it, but the fact that everyone was ready and willing to bang Shepard at the drop of a hat regardless of class or personality (example; a full Renegade shouldn't be able to romance Tali) was something I felt diminished the value of the relationships somewhat.

[Colonelkillabee]

Personally, I fully agree with the line of thinking that making someone gated by race, sexuality, etc is perfectly 100 percent fine. I don't think a person ever has to explain themselves based on that ever.

 

My only worry about this is they do it with a dwarf or something later in the future, which while I do get the appeal, I always wanted to romance a dwarf as a human... I suppose like everything else I'd just get over it.

 

Being biracial might make me a bit put off to the idea too, especially when I see comments like "it's more special because (x)".

 

Not saying anyone meant it that way, just explaining my possible bias.

[BoscoBread]

Okay, then how about this. Do you like that Solas is racially barred off or would you have liked to romance him as a human too?

 

Personally, I don't think it was necessary, and I think that it'd be interesting to see the dynamic since he admits to not seeing the dalish as "his people".

 

I don't think Solas' romance was able to be good specifically because he was barred off, since Cass isn't barred off (though it feels like she may as well be). I think that the devs just bit off more than they could chew, and with the romance coming in later, and the females already having three options, this was just easier and allowed the romance to have enough content to it and not be generic like Cullens. (I went there!)

I'm fine that it is and I understand that it was written with the elves in mind. But to me it didn't make as much sense for his character if I'm perfectly honest.  He's all about "the spirit" and a part me is like 'so if anyother of the lady inquisitors is equally as wonderful shouldn't you love them to?'.  We don't have a conversation with him or get any sense as to why he's not interested.  At least with Cullen - if you're not an elf/human - he shuts you down hard. So I think that's why it doesn't make sense - or I'm kind of like 'ok...i guess" because the flirt options were not even available for him to have that brief glimpse into his preferences.  I think a human Trevelyan could have had a lovely story - if she's noble she can sort of rebel against who she is.  So can he.  It would have been nice.  I like the fics.  They indulge that wish.   I appreciate the canon though  it is what it is.

 

I don't think because it was elf-specific is what made it good for me.  I'm not super-Dalish so it doesn't hold the same meaning for me in regards to lore as it does for some people. I think if it was a City-Elf it would have just as nice in regards to the overall Elf story.  For me - it was just a really well put together love story.  That's why I like it. He's an incredible likeable character who I had no intention of romancing.  Now that I did - it's kind of like 'HOW WAS THIS NOT IN THE GAME TO BEGIN WITH??' and I selfishly wish it was the only female one and there was just more wrapped up in it. 

 

EDIT: I have to be really really careful what I write on this since I have a dissenting opinion and people get bizarrely mean to me about it.  So I want to stress I 100% support the gates.  They make the character more real.  They shouldn't have to defend their preferences.  Dorian didn't have to and Krem doesn't have to and I always skip over the questions of "DUR WHY ARE YOU PASSING?' because they shouldn't have to answer them and I shouldn't have to ask.

[Mims]

I'm alright with him being elf-only but I won't lie, I wish he wasn't.

 

Why? Not for story reasons at all but because I think that the more people who play a romance, the more likely the devs are to give that romance more mentions in future games. Call me cynical, but I worry that Solas will get like one or two throwaway lines about his romance because a teeny tiny percentage of players ever even touched it.

 

To be fair, this is more or less how DA has always handled romances in each game. It isn't like ME where you have a single character continuing through each game. Hawke barely mentions their romance. But they still treat Sebastian as a full romance option, even though he was probably the most obscure romance bioware has done. So no reason to assume they would give Solas less. 

 

If anything, Solas's potential to continue on to future games gives more opportunities than other romantic options. 

[NightSymphony]

Oblivion - In my head my character becomes Duchess of Mania/Dementia. Sheogorath is so impressed that he falls in love with her and makes her the ruler of the Shivering Isles.

 

DA:I - In my head, Solas is so madly in love with my character that he makes Queen of the Elves and ruler of the world.

 

I'm a dork... and my head hurts.  I make no sense.

[flabbadence]

Moreover, it definitely feeds the foreboding difference in the last sentence of your origin story card at character select. It's not that things "didn't go well" at the Conclave, but it's that your going to the Conclave is a situation that will effect "not just your clan, but all elves."

 

lmao, Lavellan Inquisitors sure had no idea what they were getting into with that Conclave

[Janic99]

Hey guys when will you have the drawing chat ( voice chat ) 

[Prince of Keys]

Personally, I fully agree with the line of thinking that making someone gated by race, sexuality, etc is perfectly 100 percent fine. I don't think a person ever has to explain themselves based on that ever.

 

My only worry about this is they do it with a dwarf or something later in the future, which while I do get the appeal, I always wanted to romance a dwarf as a human... I suppose like everything else I'd just get over it.

 

Being biracial might make me a bit put off to the idea too, especially when I see comments like "it's more special because (x)".

 

Not saying anyone meant it that way, just explaining my possible bias.

 

Well, races IRL and races in Thedas are pretty different things. In general I don't have a problem with human/elf relationships--mostly*--but in this specific case, having the romance be elf-only feels "right" to me.

 

* I played as City Elf first in Origins, so I'm always going to be a little leery of human/elf relationships (especially when the human is a noble/in a position of power), but I've got Hawkes that romanced Fenris and I don't think anyone that romanced Zevran with a human in Origins is bad or anything. :U

[NightSymphony]

Personally..I like when characters have a romantic preference. It makes them more real.  Solas only likes female elves..  Dorian only likes men. It's like the real world. When a character is romancable to everyone, it makes the romance less special.. to me anyway.

[NightSymphony]

Also..pretty Solas and Lavellan line art.  I hope she colors it.

 

http://ellieshep.dev...neart-511513585

[Avejajed]

Whoever thought up AP style is stupid.

[Uirebhiril]

My question is why Weekes didn't make him bi-sexual. Would it have made a huge difference? ^{I guess it might be awkward with the whole "you're so beautiful" line...}

 

I would get really annoyed if every character was bisexual as a "default" and so am glad that some characters are still just plain straight. Bisexual default would be a disservice to both bisexuals and straight people. Everyone wants representation, not a "well, good enough for the masses."

 

I'm fine that it is and I understand that it was written with the elves in mind. But to me it didn't make as much sense for his character if I'm perfectly honest.  He's all about "the spirit" and a part me is like 'so if anyother of the lady inquisitors is equally as wonderful shouldn't you love them to?'.  We don't have a conversation with him or get any sense as to why he's not interested.  At least with Cullen - if you're not an elf/human - he shuts you down hard. So I think that's why it doesn't make sense - or I'm kind of like 'ok...i guess" because the flirt options were not even available for him to have that brief glimpse into his preferences.  I think a human Trevelyan could have had a lovely story - if she's noble she can sort of rebel against who she is.  So can he.  It would have been nice.  I like the fics.  They indulge that wish.   I appreciate the canon though  it is what it is.

 

 

Budget, resources, blah blah blah... but in-game we can consider it that Solas has a preference. If he likes how elves look, either because that's what he is and is attracted to or because the elven form is most familiar to him considering he's just sort of an elven god, then good for him. I do agree that it was a bit odd not to have the opportunity to flirt with him as another race and to have him shut down a non-elf. I really would have liked to see that, and have that be an explanation on its own for his preferences. I do wonder why the option wasn't there -- VO work already done maybe?

[dragondreamer]

People are as defined by what they do as what they DON'T do. To me, while I get that rivalmancing Fenris as a mage is super antagonist awesome, there's always been a part of me that questions the realism of the situation. Yeah, he might hate-bang a mage, but even then, I cringe. He should've been class gated. His hatred for mages is so, so intense that unless you have 100% rivalry with him he'll turn on you in the final fight to support the templars.
 

 

Allowing Fenris to have character development, particularly in a friendmance with a mage is really rewarding.  His romance probably wouldn't have been nearly as interesting to me without having the opportunity to help Fenris widen his perspectives and come to trust Hawke.  Fenris actually makes it clear on more than one occasion that he doesn't necessarily hate all mages as a rule, it's the potential abuse of power that he fears.  Slavery is his biggest issue, it's just that he's from Tevinter, where mages are the slavers.  On that note, I think Fenris should have been gated from blood mages and pro-slavery Hawkes.

 

And while I understand the reasons for the gating on Solas, and agree with it where the elf-only is concerned, I'm always going to kinda wonder what could've been if they could've afforded to make him available to male Lavellans.  Then again, I might have gotten stuck in a Solas romancing cycle forever, and I'm really loving my Dudevellan's romance with Bull.

[Siha]

EDIT: And had CULLEN been class-gated to mages only? Oooh that would have been AWESOME. 10/10 would actually romance him under those circumstances.

 

All great but for that part. First because it does not make sense (why would Cullen only romance a mage? He might not hate them as much as Fenris but it's close, and there is no reason why he would not romance another class)... as you surely are aware so just ignore me. And second, because that would leave all straight female non-elves with two choices, Blackwall or Iron Bull and I can't have that, really, no way.

[Vita Brevis]

I'm fine that it is and I understand that it was written with the elves in mind. But to me it didn't make as much sense for his character if I'm perfectly honest.  He's all about "the spirit" and a part me is like 'so if anyother of the lady inquisitors is equally as wonderful shouldn't you love them to?'. 

Well he has that one banter with Sera if she's romanced by Lavellan when he pokes her about being drawn to elves and how it's only natural. So I always assumed even if he dislikes their ways, he still likes the elves more than any other race. In his own way.

[The Oracle]

I would have quite liked to see Solas grapple with falling for someone who was not Elvhen. Especially as he is so closed minded about races (Sera and Varric conversations being a big clue to this). I guess it's based on having played a human friendship and Elf romance both. He had equal respect and admiration for the two characters. The only difference seemed to be that he was miffed at my Lavellan for her Dalishness and she had the option to hit on him. My human was never given an option to flirt or show interest or be rejected.

 

I guess it's just an extension of how I view the world myself. I have met partners who are not "my type" and who I initially had no interest in save friendship. But sometimes, as Tim Minchin said, you get that creepy-uppy type of love, where you can't help but fall for someone due to their very nature. I wonder how Solas would have coped with his convictions, if this had been the case for him. Decided to try and tackle it in a fanfic I'm writing. I'm too tired of all the beautiful, perfect, goddess Inquisitors. I wanna explore the slow burn, friendship-to-love of a really ordinary person trying to be extraordinary for everyone else. It floats my boat.

[Illyria]

But that means you missed Sovengarde.

 

That was probably my favorite area in the game *blissful sigh*

 

I've completed it!  Twice now, I think.  I love Sovengarde, even if they respect me for being the Archmage than a Nightingale.

 

My favourite location is probably the Blackreach.  So pretty!

[Rabbitonfire]

 

source

This looks like an illustration from one of those cautionary fairy tales you'd tell children.

[KarateKats]

Hey guys when will you have the drawing chat ( voice chat ) 

If you check Rabbitonfire's sig she usually has an updated link + time for the next draw chat.

[Moirin]

I would get really annoyed if every character was bisexual as a "default" and so am glad that some characters are still just plain straight. Bisexual default would be a disservice to both bisexuals and straight people. Everyone wants representation, not a "well, good enough for the masses."

 

Agreed. To be honest I liked that there were gender preferences and race preferences in the game. I felt it made the game more interesting. To be honest I had always wanted a game with varying selective romances like this, there was bond to be some people in Thedas who like some "races" (I put that in quotations because what we call different races in Thedas aren't actually races but would be different species) but not others, I thought it was nice to see them include that (even if it only ended up there because of limited time and budget).

[Illyria]

100% support race, sexuality, and even CLASS gating romances.

People are as defined by what they do as what they DON'T do. To me, while I get that rivalmancing Fenris as a mage is super antagonist awesome, there's always been a part of me that questions the realism of the situation. Yeah, he might hate-bang a mage, but even then, I cringe. He should've been class gated. His hatred for mages is so, so intense that unless you have 100% rivalry with him he'll turn on you in the final fight to support the templars.

Why should I force people to defend what they're attracted to? People like what they like. Me being the protagonist SHOULD NOT force their interest in me. Being turned down by Dorian because he was gay was AWESOME. Cassandra turning me down because she was STRAIGHT was great. Sera giving her lover an ultimatum to either renounce their religion or leave the relationship was perfect. Why? Because character choices make them WHO they are. I'd rather have strong believable NPCs with boundaries unique to them, their experiences, and beliefs than hero-sexual any day.

Besides, it ups the replayability and variety of experiences within a game exponentially.

EDIT: And had CULLEN been class-gated to mages only? Oooh that would have been AWESOME. 10/10 would actually romance him under those circumstances.

 

I agree that Fenris rivalmance with a mage is a bit too much to believe ('I hate everything you are, but I also love you!') and agree that it shouldn't be possible, I think his friendship romance with a mage works really well.  Lady Hawke, pro-mage apostate/Fenris is my DA2 OTP.  I could not understand why he'd continue a romance with someone who kept a slave, though.  That's why I love that Solas dumps Lavellan if she kills Wisdom.

 

Class gating, race gating, gender gating... they all make characters more real.  If Cullen was only into human and elven mages, I'd be into that.  Solas only being into elven ladies?  That's fine (wouldn't mind if he was into elven men, too.  But it's probably best he isn't. M!Lavellan is my only chance to play an elf and not get distracted by Solas.)

[Illyria]

Night To Remember is the best way to discover Markarth.

Hung over, stumble out of the temple just in time to see the Forsworn attack a not so innocent bystander.  

 

That's actually how I found Markarth the first time I ever played.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

. 

[nikki-tikki]

Yeah, he might hate-bang a mage, but even then, I cringe. 

 

Shh. Fenris is perfect. ^{I know i took this out of context....}