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[The Oracle]

The idea of this is something that would have disturbed me had it been in game. If Solas is going to change his views on modern Thedas and the other races, it should be something he comes to on his own, based not just on a romantic interlude but the friendships and experiences that he had while with the Inquisition. If it were something so basic and cliche as "the lady human's sweet words of love turned me!" I would lose a lot of respect for the character and be really put off by the writing. Big changes like that can be influenced by those around you, but should not be tied to a love story. Solas was attracted to Lavellan and loved her for who she was, and certainly that did open his eyes a bit - but he also had Varric, and Cassandra, and Bull, and even Sera and Blackwall to learn and possibly grow from. No romance required. Nor should it be.

 

Ugh, I would agree with you if they had made it a "I'll only change my opinion on people due to banging" it's tired and cliché the whole idea that one person could so completely sway someone. But as you said, he loved Lavellan for who she was and was helped to open up by the others. It could have been the same for if he fell for a human.

 

I'm not against gating at all, I totally see the point. That's why I write and read fanfics, to explore dynamics the game doesn't present to us. 

[Meer]

To be fair, this is more or less how DA has always handled romances in each game. It isn't like ME where you have a single character continuing through each game. Hawke barely mentions their romance. But they still treat Sebastian as a full romance option, even though he was probably the most obscure romance bioware has done. So no reason to assume they would give Solas less. 

 

If anything, Solas's potential to continue on to future games gives more opportunities than other romantic options. 

This is accurate, too. Sebastian certainly has much less content than any of the vanilla DAII love interests, but also gets the most mention out of any of them in Inquisition (particularly if you romance him). Between his war table missions and what Hawke/Varric has to say about things, you get a pretty clear image of what he's doing and what he may soon be. So I totally agree that Solas being gated won't hurt his chances to be included in the future. Even without the romance, I think we'll be feeling the ripples of his actions for a long time to come.

[BlueElf2]

Well, races IRL and races in Thedas are pretty different things. In general I don't have a problem with human/elf relationships--mostly*--but in this specific case, having the romance be elf-only feels "right" to me.

 

* I played as City Elf first in Origins, so I'm always going to be a little leery of human/elf relationships (especially when the human is a noble/in a position of power), but I've got Hawkes that romanced Fenris and I don't think anyone that romanced Zevran with a human in Origins is bad or anything. :U

 

I think it would have been difficult to fit the romance with other races considering how the final romance scene focused on the vallaslin. I think having it elf only fits with Solas characterization as I think even though he can get close to inquisitors from any race, it makes more sense to me that he would only feel that open with another elf. I probably can't explain it well. I don't mind that he's not bisexual; I like that there are a variety of sexualities in the game, and that's just another aspect of his character now. 

 

I actually like human-elf relationships (my Origins city elf romanced Alistair, and my 2nd Inquisition elf romanced Cullen, also have dude elves for Cass and Josie, and my canon romance in DA2 was Fenris.....what can I say? I'm partial to elf/human relations. LOL). However, I think elf/elf fits better in the case of Solas.

[Patchwork]

I agree with all the arguments about why an npc should have preferences but as a game mechanic I do like that in DA2 I could romance whom ever I felt suited my character best and if we go back to a human only protag that should come back too. Gating is all well and good when you have a variety of races and backgrounds to choose from but it's annoying when a player's only choice is male or female.

 

I don't believe Cullen should have been class gated because I don't think it's Amell/Surana's mageness that made him fall for her but imo Solas should have been a bi option for elves. 

[AutumnOracle]

I like it because it makes it more exclusive. I don't think a human would understand Solas and his motives as much as an elf would. Especially the conversations about the dalish, I doubt a human would know much, and the vallaslin is a big part of the romance plot as well. So it makes more sense that the romance was gated the way it was.

My question is why Weekes didn't make him bi-sexual. Would it have made a huge difference? ^{I guess it might be awkward with the whole "you're so beautiful" line...}

Cause bumping bits needs to mean something.but seriously I like that he was race & gender gated. As 'rebellious/forward planning' as Sola's is...I feel like in a lot of ways he's still traditional/logical.

And most people I know are attracted to one gender not two. So art imitating life tells me in a small subset of romances there shouldn't be that many bi characters. I thought the balance was good.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

The idea of this is something that would have disturbed me had it been in game. If Solas is going to change his views on modern Thedas and the other races, it should be something he comes to on his own, based not just on a romantic interlude but the friendships and experiences that he had while with the Inquisition. If it were something so basic and cliche as "the lady human's sweet words of love turned me!" I would lose a lot of respect for the character and be really put off by the writing. Big changes like that can be influenced by those around you, but should not be tied to a love story. Solas was attracted to Lavellan and loved her for who she was, and certainly that did open his eyes a bit - but he also had Varric, and Cassandra, and Bull, and even Sera and Blackwall to learn and possibly grow from. No romance required. Nor should it be.

 

Ugh, I would agree with you if they had made it a "I'll only change my opinion on people due to banging" it's tired and cliché the whole idea that one person could so completely sway someone. But as you said, he loved Lavellan for who she was and was helped to open up by the others. It could have been the same for if he fell for a human.

 

I'm not against gating at all, I totally see the point. That's why I write and read fanfics, to explore dynamics the game doesn't present to us. 

 

I don't think my fantasy vagina is the healing balm of Thedas I should feel morally obligated to share or else NPCs left and right will be barred from character development and growth. That does the NPC a disservice because you're essentially saying they're incapable of reasoning, logic, or feeling beyond that which your thighs allow them. While I am down for romance gating, I don't think it should exclude character development/ growth for an NPC. THAT'S my one beef with the Solas as a character in game. Give that elf another tarot card for being friendshipped that ISN'T the terrifying foreboding of The Tower and let a romanced Lavellan keep the Heirophant card.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

*bites tongue* This topic is something I have discussed before...about changing a character's sexuality, race, religion, etc. Most people know my stance on that so I am going to be quite. As for the Cullen x Amell/Surana. It was an infatuation in my mind, he had a crush on her and I don't really like it when people are like he still "loves" Amell/Surana when he gets with the IQ or is comparing the IQ to them. Surana/Amell x Cullen was pretty much like a highschool crush imo, it was a cute forbidden romance but it wasn't really a romance. More of an infatuation that Cullen got over.

[Caddius]

I don't think my fantasy vagina is the healing balm of Thedas I should feel morally obligated to share or else NPCs left and right will be barred from character development and growth. That does the NPC a disservice because you're essentially saying they're incapable of reasoning, logic, or feeling beyond that which your thighs allow them. While I am down for romance gating, I don't think it should exclude character development/ growth for an NPC. THAT'S my one beef with the Solas as a character in game. Give that elf another tarot card for being friendshipped that ISN'T the terrifying foreboding of The Tower and let a romanced Lavellan keep the Heirophant card.

*buries head in hands*

*hiccups with laughter*

[Uirebhiril]

Ugh, I would agree with you if they had made it a "I'll only change my opinion on people due to banging" it's tired and cliché the whole idea that one person could so completely sway someone. But as you said, he loved Lavellan for who she was and was helped to open up by the others. It could have been the same for if he fell for a human.

 

That's where it then goes back to personal preferences and attraction. Sure, he respects a human or qunari inquisitor just the same, but if he doesn't find them physically attractive or they are not his sexual preference, all the respect in the world won't make him slip them the Fade tongue. And that's perfectly acceptable and part of what makes him who he is.

 

Though I expect someone, somewhere is shipping Solas/Varric anyway...

[NightSymphony]

A friend posted this on my Facebook wall.  Mechanical Wolf by Andrew Chase.  Just thought I'd share..it's so beautiful!!

 

http://www.andrewcha...rce=furnishings

[Avejajed]

This thread got so passive aggressive all of a sudden.

[stop_him]

 The vallaslin secret is not revealed anywhere else in the game, is it?

My elf romanced Cullen, and in the final battle Corypheus hated on her for having slave markings on her face. That's the only clue the game gives to elves who did not romance Solas. 

[stop_him]

I actually like human-elf relationships (my Origins city elf romanced Alistair, and my 2nd Inquisition elf romanced Cullen, also have dude elves for Cass and Josie, and my canon romance in DA2 was Fenris.....what can I say? I'm partial to elf/human relations. LOL). However, I think elf/elf fits better in the case of Solas.

Yay, I also prefer interspecies romances. I often make them opposite personalities as well. 

[Prince of Keys]

That's where it then goes back to personal preferences and attraction. Sure, he respects a human or qunari inquisitor just the same, but if he doesn't find them physically attractive or they are not his sexual preference, all the respect in the world won't make him slip them the Fade tongue. And that's perfectly acceptable and part of what makes him who he is.

 

Though I expect someone, somewhere is shipping Solas/Varric anyway...

 

Hell yeah, that's my OTP.

 

Okay, actually, that could be interesting. I don't really ship it, but I could understand why someone might. Besides, fanfic/fanart/whatever is completely separate from canon; if someone wants to ship 'em, it's not hurting anyone else or actually changing the game. c: That's why even though I really don't like Solas/Trevelyan, I'm not going to condemn others for writing the stuff. I just won't ever read it. /shrug

[dragondreamer]

I didn't like the pansexual romances of DA2 much either.  With Zevran it made sense with me for whatever reason but he was a big ol' ****. Loved him for it.  I also think we are trying to pour meaning into the why and at the end of the day it's just...love.   it really doesn't need to be anything more than that. Yes...as a player you can pick it apart and see how important it is to the overall lore but for your PC and Solas, it's their relationship.  It doesn't matter what it means to history.  They just care what they mean to eachother.  

 

I have to admit, every time the bisexual chars of DA2 are referred to as "playersexual" and whatnot, I cringe.  And as much as I love Zev, the idea that his sexual preferences are tied to his promiscuity bothers me on a personal level.  The entire personality=sexuality thing always bothered me deeply.  All these things are why I kinda hate when the subject of gating comes up.  I've accepted it, and I agree with some of the reasons, but all the negativity on the sexuality of the DA2 characters tends to hit home a little too much.

[BlueElf2]

I agree with all the arguments about why an npc should have preferences but as a game mechanic I do like that in DA2 I could romance whom ever I felt suited my character best and if we go back to a human only protag that should come back too. Gating is all well and good when you have a variety of races and backgrounds to choose from but it's annoying when a player's only choice is male or female.

 

I don't believe Cullen should have been class gated because I don't think it's Amell/Surana's mageness that made him fall for her but imo Solas should have been a bi option for elves. 

I'm glad Cullen isn't mage only, though I did romance him as a mage and an elf. LOL. However, I don't agree on Solas being bi so that all elves could romance him. I mean I understand the sentiment, but it feels too much like it would be going back to how it was done in DA2, where everyone was made bi just to give more options. If they're purposefully planned to be bi, then fine, but if it's added just because someone felt they didn't meet some kind of quota, then I'd rather it not be that way. Plus, if he was bisexual, my male Lavellans might be tempted away from their chosen love interests because I'm too attached to Solas. ^^; I can understand why people would want that, but I'm content with his elfy elfness and his sexuality.

[The Oracle]

*bites tongue* This topic is something I have discussed before...about changing a character's sexuality, race, religion, etc. Most people know my stance on that so I am going to be quite. As for the Cullen x Amell/Surana. It was an infatuation in my mind, he had a crush on her and I don't really like it when people are like he still "loves" Amell/Surana when he gets with the IQ or is comparing the IQ to them. Surana/Amell x Cullen was pretty much like a highschool crush imo, it was a cute forbidden romance but it wasn't really a romance. More of an infatuation that Cullen got over.

 

The good thing about this thread is that you can express your feelings knowing that everyone is pretty cool and relaxed about it. We all tend to debate here, rather than flame at each other. At the end of it all, we're all different and our own lives and opinions often colour what we see in characters etc. That's what makes it so interesting, getting other peoples views. Otherwise, i could just email myself my own thoughts and read them back later. :-)

[BoscoBread]

This thread got so passive aggressive all of a sudden.

This is the worst question to ask about ANY romance.  People are very very WEIRD about shipping.  Go into any fandom and you have the people saying they hate hate hate how much people do it with every character.  You have people like "IDAF' and just abuse the canon. This is also forgetting you can ignore everything that anyone says and move on with your life.  I

 

I think the consesus remains that we all respect canon here. We're very pleased with how it was written.  We look forward to more content.  THE END. 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

*buries head in hands*

*hiccups with laughter*

[Avejajed]

The good thing about this thread is that you can express your feelings knowing that everyone is pretty cool and relaxed about it. We all tend to debate here, rather than flame at each other. At the end of it all, we're all different and our own lives and opinions often colour what we see in characters etc. That's what makes it so interesting, getting other peoples views. Otherwise, i could just email myself my own thoughts and read them back later. :-)

I email myself all the time. Is this not normal?

[Zarro-Morningstar]

The good thing about this thread is that you can express your feelings knowing that everyone is pretty cool and relaxed about it. We all tend to debate here, rather than flame at each other. At the end of it all, we're all different and our own lives and opinions often colour what we see in characters etc. That's what makes it so interesting, getting other peoples views. Otherwise, i could just email myself my own thoughts and read them back later. :-)

Lol, true! There are few threads on this forum that are truly amazing. They would have to be the Cullen, Solas, Dorian, and the Iron Bull threads*in no particular order*. However, I have seen how topics like these can blow up in flames and rather than offending someone, I'd much rather be silent. Although my opinion is pretty much the same as some of the people in here: keep sexualites as is, keep race as is, keep everything important as is.

[BlueElf2]

That's where it then goes back to personal preferences and attraction. Sure, he respects a human or qunari inquisitor just the same, but if he doesn't find them physically attractive or they are not his sexual preference, all the respect in the world won't make him slip them the Fade tongue. And that's perfectly acceptable and part of what makes him who he is.

 

Though I expect someone, somewhere is shipping Solas/Varric anyway...

I somehow feel that if Varric ever was made romanceable, it would have no possibility of ever living up to the what the fandom has built Varric up to be. LOL. I kind of like Varric/Cass, though...I have a thing for snarky ships. LOL. My male Lavellan is currently in the process of trying to woo Cass, though, so Varric will just have to wait. =P

[RynJ]

That's where it then goes back to personal preferences and attraction. Sure, he respects a human or qunari inquisitor just the same, but if he doesn't find them physically attractive or they are not his sexual preference, all the respect in the world won't make him slip them the Fade tongue. And that's perfectly acceptable and part of what makes him who he is.

 

Though I expect someone, somewhere is shipping Solas/Varric anyway...

 

So?

 

None of the shipping bothers me. Neither do people who wish some romances were gated differently. That doesn't mean they should be, but we play the game because we like it and when we like a character, we wish they were available. These aren't real people. If people want to fantasize about it being different, I say go for it.

[Avejajed]

This is the worst question to ask about ANY romance. People are very very WEIRD about shipping. Go into any fandom and you have the people saying they hate hate hate how much people do it with every character. You have people like "IDAF' and just abuse the canon. This is also forgetting you can ignore everything that anyone says and move on with your life. I

I think the consesus remains that we all respect canon here. We're very pleased with how it was written. We look forward to more content. THE END.

I ship Merrill and Fenris.

[Caddius]

I email myself all the time. Is this not normal?

I email myself all the time. I like getting letters from dumb people so I can feel smarter than them. 

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EDIT: I ship countries together. As that one Tumblr post stated, United Kingdom+United States=Libertea. My friends and associates became very worried about me.

I've also shipped various Popes. I've been informed that that is strange.