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[BoscoBread]

I think the real payoff for the race gating is probably going to come in any potential "Wolf Hunt" DLC. Learning that Solas is the trickster god of elven myth is going to have a waaaay bigger impact for a Dalish Inquisitor. That's the kind of dramatic irony that puts a romance plot in a category all of it's own. 

I don't want to open that insanity again(regarding the racegating) - but I'm curious - how will your Lavellan's react?

Mine rolled her eyes at all the Dread Wolf mumbo-jumbo. She is NOT religious in any way shape or form.  She appreciated them as stories and nothing more.

 

So I think when she finds out she's going to be like 'Huh...what now?' She's first going to think he's lost his mind - she'd believe the ancient elf thing. That would make sense to her, but she would struggle to accept he was actually Fen'Harel. 

[NightSymphony]

http://kris-limoncel.../Kiss-511569630

[Caddius]

Hee!   Yeah.  

 

I remember sucking a breath through my teeth and thinking "jesus no do not open up this can of worms Japan" when I first heard about it though, and that was years before Abe's various visits to Yasukuni.  There were huge protests in Korea when it got the green light for animation.  (Total surprise, right?  Who'd have seen that coming?)

 

My hangup with the source material is that (being a comedy) events are often defanged to the point of being inaccurate or uncomfortably whitewashed with regard to the Axis powers.  Which I realize is the point to some degree: people are still people even given the horrors of war, etc.  The humanizing aspect as a theme is completely legit, but some take the concept a step too far with the whole tee-hee-concentration-camps-were-just-Germany-being-tsuntsun, which is seriously, deeply disturbing to me.   Just no.   Do not do that.     

 

It's a convenient way to frame political debates that bypass the language barrier, though.   I have a few Japanese friends who aren't comfortable discussing politics or history in normal conversation, but don't hold back at all making their positions clear in manga/illustrations.   The most scathing, incisive critique of TTIP I ever read was a Kiku x Alfred doujinshi.  ^w^

 

...uh.  Not that I read those.   *turns pink, slinks off in shame*  

No, of course you didn't read any of those.

But yeah, whitewashing of past crimes bothers me. I don't ask anyone to take personal responsibility for the actions of their ancestors, that'd be absurd, I just ask that they acknowledge that some of their ancestors did some horrible things. Every culture with a history longer than a few years has some skeletons in the closet. I don't see what's so uncomfortable about admitting that mistakes were made. *sigh* Of course, my own country skips over the gory details of colonization and what was done to the natives in the textbooks. Luckily my teachers tended to be indignant enough about that to bring their own materiel to class.

It does provide a good way of discussing it, though. Did Hentalia try to go over Japan, Germany, and Italy's atrocities? Or the Allies, for that matter?

[NightSymphony]

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[Moirin]

I don't want to open that insanity again(regarding the racegating) - but I'm curious - how will your Lavellan's react?

Mine rolled her eyes at all the Dread Wolf mumbo-jumbo. She is NOT religious in any way shape or form.  She appreciated them as stories and nothing more.

 

So I think when she finds out she's going to be like 'Huh...what now?' She's first going to think he's lost his mind - she'd believe the ancient elf thing. That would make sense to her, but she would struggle to accept he was actually Fen'Harel. 

 

Mine would be horrified, in a way (not in a way or to a point where she can't get over it), but not because he's Fen'Harel. It's hard to explain.

[Meer]

I don't want to open that insanity again(regarding the racegating) - but I'm curious - how will your Lavellan's react?

Mine rolled her eyes at all the Dread Wolf mumbo-jumbo. She is NOT religious in any way shape or form.  She appreciated them as stories and nothing more.

 

So I think when she finds out she's going to be like 'Huh...what now?' She's first going to think he's lost his mind - she'd believe the ancient elf thing. That would make sense to her, but she would struggle to accept he was actually Fen'Harel. 

My Lavellan, whom I played as something of a pious, thoughtful hunter (a touch cliche, but an interesting fit on a female character) would probably deal with this in steps. Like yours, I imagine her first stop would be "I'm in love with a madman!" But I feel as though with what she's seen since leaving her clan, plus what she's learned from the insight and guidance of others, she'd stop to consider. It would definitely take some concrete proof to make her believe Solas is Fen'Harel. But on receiving that proof, I can't help but think my girl would be afraid. She's only recently opened to the idea the pantheon might be something other than gods, after all. Then I figure she'd be a little surprised she can still feel fear from something like this; that final battle with Coryflora might have been easy for players, but it wasn't for her.

[Avejajed]

That girl who does Lavellan cosplay, from Aicosu, i think her name is sheila, wrote this smutty ff. Its great.

I guess it's not super sweet romantic but it's hot and passionate so there you go. I don't consider it Dom but I guess you could it you really were sensitive to it.

http://aicosu.tumblr...smut-write-smut

And with that, bed. 6 am comes early. Xox

[Prince of Keys]

I don't want to open that insanity again(regarding the racegating) - but I'm curious - how will your Lavellan's react?

Mine rolled her eyes at all the Dread Wolf mumbo-jumbo. She is NOT religious in any way shape or form.  She appreciated them as stories and nothing more.

 

So I think when she finds out she's going to be like 'Huh...what now?' She's first going to think he's lost his mind - she'd believe the ancient elf thing. That would make sense to her, but she would struggle to accept he was actually Fen'Harel. 

 

It really depends on how it's revealed. She's met Mythal, so it's not like meeting the Creators is anything especially new to her at this point... I think no matter how it's revealed she's going to be a little hurt that he never said anything, even if she understands why he would keep it a secret. She's also going to wonder if that's why there were wolves everywhere (his necklace, the walls of his room) and then feel a little stupid for not putting the pieces together herself, even though there's no real reason for her to suspect anything from him like that.

Mostly she'd be curious and only a little wary. She trusts him.

 

My other Lavellan, on the other hand, would react terribly. She would be incredibly angry, feel like she had been lied to/toyed with, and she'd be afraid because she is a pretty firm believer in the Dalish tales of the Creators. It would end poorly. :c

[madrar]

It does provide a good way of discussing it, though. Did Hentalia try to go over Japan, Germany, and Italy's atrocities? Or the Allies, for that matter?

 

God no.  Himura wouldn't touch that stuff with a ten foot pole.  

 

That's where fan creation steps in, though.  There are some really amazing, insightful fan works that use the basic conceit to grapple with the darker side of history (not just WW2, but ancient to modern) and how to reconcile the horrors of conflict with the idea of a shared global humanity.   Good stuff... though admittedly for every insightful one there's a hundred that are just relationship angst and porn.   

 

*coughs*

 

It keeps my Japanese sharp.   That's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it. 

[Mims]

My girl's reaction would vary depending on the situation.

 

She's very big on false bravado. She loathes to show fear or weakness. Even when she's terrified, or unsure of what the outcome will be, she prefers to push through on a cocktail of adrenaline and ego. Hearing that Solas is Fen'Harel will put her into fight mode. The bigger the fear, the more she'd want to make sure that her wall is up. The more she's likely to overreact. 

 

I don't think she'd physically attack. But she would puff up her chest and test the waters to see how much she could get away with. She'd try to get a feel if he was an enemy or not. If he postured in response, then things would not go well. She would read him as an enemy, and a danger she was partially responsible for. 

 

But, so long as there isn't any sign of him being an enemy or her fear being exacerbated, she would dial it down soon enough. Essentially, all Solas would have to show is that he's still the person she knew and fell in love with. That he doesn't want a fight. 

 

From there, she'd be more level-headed. Even if she might not agree with his plans, she'd be out of the crisis mode. 

[BoscoBread]

My girl's reaction would vary depending on the situation.

 

She's very big on false bravado. She loathes to show fear or weakness. Even when she's terrified, or unsure of what the outcome will be, she prefers to push through on a cocktail of adrenaline and ego. Hearing that Solas is Fen'Harel will put her into fight mode. The bigger the fear, the more she'd want to make sure that her wall is up. The more she's likely to overreact. 

 

I don't think she'd physically attack. But she would puff up her chest and test the waters to see how much she could get away with. She'd try to get a feel if he was an enemy or not. If he postured in response, then things would not go well. She would read him as an enemy, and a danger she was partially responsible for. 

 

But, so long as there isn't any sign of him being an enemy or her fear being exacerbated, she would dial it down soon enough. Essentially, all Solas would have to show is that he's still the person she knew and fell in love with. That he doesn't want a fight. 

 

From there, she'd be more level-headed. Even if she might not agree with his plans, she'd be out of the crisis mode. 

I think that's the key - my girl would have a hard time believing it or even caring if he was pretty much just...Solas.  

[Sister Squish]

*grabs the gloves and shoves them back on your hands*

 

This is like Caddius apologizing for nitpicky history notes.  @w@   Believe me, it's ok.

 

I'm fundamentally dissatisfied with the whole body-soul theory as it stands, and the only way to fix it is to keep ripping out the bits that don't fit and stitching together other parts until the Monster works. Clearly mages aren't the only beings with "souls" in Thedas: normal people have a connection to the fade, even if they can't draw on it- they dream, they have emotions, and those emotions are reflected in fade spirits.  They have souls.  So the mage conduit must be a different thing than the fade-shadow.  Yes?   Likely related, but still separate, and tied into the idea of a finite but refillable energy source in mana.  This is where I think your ideas hit on something really fundamental and important.

 

Haven't had enough time to let the full thing percolate yet, though.  Poorly-timed symposium thing means my free time in the next week or and half is pretty much non-existent, but will try to sneak back in to pick up theory scraps when I can.   ಥwಥ  _^whyyy~

 

Yay! *adjusts visor and readies the blowtorch* 

 

Hm, I do not think a mage's ability to draw mana from their fade-shadow/soul (by means of the conduit) necessarily refutes the existence of the fade-shadow for everybody? For example, anyone is able to pick up a bow - but only those trained will know how to use it.

 (Another quote from World of Thedas): 

Magic courses through all living beings in Thedas. Some even believe it is the power that gives all beings life. Yet despite magic's ubiquity, only a rare few possess the ability to manipulate it.

  Mages aren't born with the ability to use magic. The talent usually surfaces around puberty, and never reveals itself in quite the same way. Signs may be as subtle as spontaneously changing eye colour or as extreme as accidentally starting a fire.

  The question we may need to ask is, what prompts this ability to surface at puberty? We may answer with the idea that, like the Amells, magic runs in bloodlines - and that all bloodlines, if traced back far enough, originate from the same source. But then, why did magical talent emerge in Bethany and not Carver? 

 

<much speculation/random musings>

Spoiler

  In my mind, the large areas of significance in regards to the soul (and links to gods) beyond Tevinter which we have yet to explore in-game are:

> Qunari lands (Par Vollen, Seheron) = pyramids, always creepy and "otherworld" related

> Kal-Sharok (Dwarven City) = you know more about the Stone, don't you? tell me your secrets

> Neverra = the art of raising hordes of undead

> Anderfels  (home of the Grey Wardens) = under constant darkspawn attack, more knowledge of the Blight

So... that's pretty much everywhere. Everywhere has something to offer regarding how life works. x_x

 

  What I was primarily unsatisfied with was how Old God Souls worked. We can see in Kieran that the OGS remains intact, separate from his own soul, enough to pass it on. We see this again at the end of the game when Mythal passes her own "essence" through the Eluvian (presumably to Morrigan), splitting it apart from another "element" which she gives to Solas. So what interested me was how souls are not "diluted" into each other.... two souls can be in the same body, whole and intact, without harm. The OGS, as we guess from Kieran's far-out-knowledge and Andraste, can even communicate with it's host, suggesting it still completely retains it's sense of self. So I picture either three different "substances" of life, or three different "dimensions" of existing. 

 

  Then someone pointed out the Yellow Sign easter egg in game and I was all over the Lovecraft-esque ideas! (Like the Blood Magic). Particularly regarding Cole's comment on the void being within everyone. 

 

  Following this, I may be coming over to the idea that the Old Gods (Creators and Forgotten Ones) are immutable beings themselves, much like or in contrast to spirits, and that perhaps the Elvhen Pantheon were simply those imbued with the powers of each respective OGS. Particularly since your idea of each OGS consisting of "two main components - a skill and a general temperament". 

I know - Solas is the "grey" in your orchestra! But in regards to the creation theory, I want to suggest that perhaps Falon'Din is of the same nature as Mythal - nudging history throughout the ages in different incarnations of Freedom/Chaos - with Dirthamen, then Solas, being the latest connections? 

 

Dwarves are SO INTERESTING TO ME in this regard, particularly the way Cole talks about them: 

• [Varric] "Kid, says the stone. Kid, kidding. It would keep me kept with a name, but the can can't catch me."
• [Varric] "He writes words that aren't real, but they are for him, in a quiet place whose stone shape shakes the ground."

> Varric has a "stone shape" (aka fade-shadow, dwarf-style)

> He is still linked to the stone inside of him, regardless of where he is 

> Words he writes are real to the stone if nowhere else - his experiences are being "recorded" and "uploaded"

> Cole refers to the stone as the "can" which would "catch him" (a spirit) and give him an identity, if it could  (like catching a bug in a can, putting a lid on it, naming it, and keeping it as a pet!) 

(Gotta read through @Eomie's Norse Mythology stuff at some point, sounds super interesting!)

 

All of this gives different definitions to the idea of "immortality" too. 

> Elves may have once been immortal (how is debatable) 

> At least Solas can extend his lifespan by sleeping in Uthenera

> Fade spirits are immortal in the sense that their life source does not expire... but their personality, their identity can... their life source is then re-used in a new incarnation

> OGS is immortal, and arguably immutable apart from being able to be infected by Blight (which I assume is a massive deal)... but may require either a body or an enchanted (fade-shadow imbued?) object to "exist"

> Mythal, according to the Song of Creation, may be something else entirely, relating to her bloodline

 

I do however need to retrace a chunk of back-theory now, armed with these new thoughts!

[dragondreamer]

I'm not really sure how my Kyriel Lavellan would react to learning the truth about Solas.  She's got so many emotions wrapped up in him.  It might also depend on the situation in which she finds out.  I think there'd be some shock, but Solas is Solas to her, and she still loves him and wants to help him. 

 

Timaeus Lavellan is a very different story...  To him, Solas is a friend and mentor, but if he learned the truth, he might be very, very angry.  Not so much because Solas lied to him or betrayed the Inquisition, but because he was another god who wasn't there when he really needed them.  A few years before, his wife and young son died in an illness that went through the clan, and he was in a state of isolated depression until the events of the mage/templar war resulted in him being sent to the conclave.  Making a new life with the Inquisition helped him put the pain he associated with his old life behind him, but if the elven gods who never answered him show up *now*, that could bubble up to the surface in an ugly way.  Because he's a more traditional minded Dalish, he may have a little more trouble accepting someone like Solas as simply a person.

[Eomie]

    
YISSSSSS. MY PEOPLE. I HAVE FOUND THEM. This past weeks two episodes were pretty damn good. I found the narrative compelling sans the childhood rescue repetition, (i was hoping they'd avoid the trope) but they do have a super good reason for it that I am pretty happy with.

Also can I mention that the Solas romance felt like My Love From Another Star? Just replace immortal, sexy, knowledgeable, push and pull ALIEN starcrossed lover with immortal, sexy, knowledgeable, push and pull ELVHEN star crossed lover. I'm just praying that we're at the ice fishing scene part of the narrative. He'll come back! THEY ALWAYS DO.

Loooovvveeee, My Love From Another Planet!! I am watching Healer at the the moment as well. I will now forever see Solas and my quizzy in those roles >.> Thank you.

[madrar]

Yay! *adjusts visor and readies the blowtorch* 

 

Hm, I do not think a mage's ability to draw mana from their fade-shadow/soul (by means of the conduit) necessarily refutes the existence of the fade-shadow for everybody? For example, anyone is able to pick up a bow - but only those trained will know how to use it.

 (Another quote from World of Thedas): 

  The question we may need to ask is, what prompts this ability to surface at puberty? We may answer with the idea that, like the Amells, magic runs in bloodlines - and that all bloodlines, if traced back far enough, originate from the same source. But then, why did magical talent emerge in Bethany and not Carver? 

 

*leaps up, paces around her living room*

 

Not entirely sure how to communicate how excited I am right now.  This is so good.  We are getting somewhere.  

 

Didn't mean to imply that only mages had fade-shadows though!  Just the opposite.  As you say, in theory all sentient beings should.  It's in pinning down that something else that makes them shine like a beacon to spirits where I get stuck, and where the key might lie in what you have here.  

 

Need to read this all through and let it settle, but about puberty:  the connection seems to be in Choice and its fundamental link to magic.  Developmentally, a ton of synaptic pruning happens in the prefrontal cortex during adolescence - that's when its independent function really kicks in.  This is horribly simplified in neurological terms, but in the stripped down game-world-as-reflection-of-reality, we're talking about both where choice happens and when the individual comes into true possession of Will or Intent.   Makes sense that it's connected to both the location of the body/soul interface and the timing of magic's emergence, yes?

 

*paces faster*   Need to think through the rest.  Doesn't all quite snap neatly into place in my head yet, but I think it will.  Desperately wish I knew more about Cthulu and Lovecraft in general, because Caddius' secondary thread of the "void in all of us" is such a tantalizing lead, particularly in combination with Andrastean Chant text.  (Reference to literal void, yes, but also more?) 

 

GAH.  Need more time!

[Meer]

A bit ago I was listening to some of the tavern songs. It struck me that, as happens with famous historical love affairs, perhaps the Inquisitor's chosen romance might be depicted in a ballad someday. Likely not in game, but still. I've been trying to picture how my Lavellan might feel about hearing something like that. And well, what kind of story the song would tell anyway...especially if the truth about Solas was made known. I've seen many people refer to the Solavellan story almost as a Dalish fairytale, so perhaps this consideration isn't far off from that.

[dragondreamer]

A bit ago I was listening to some of the tavern songs. It struck me that, as happens with famous historical love affairs, perhaps the Inquisitor's chosen romance might be depicted in a ballad someday. Likely not in game, but still. I've been trying to picture how my Lavellan might feel about hearing something like that. And well, what kind of story the song would tell anyway...especially if the truth about Solas was made known. I've seen many people refer to the Solavellan story almost as a Dalish fairytale, so perhaps this consideration isn't far off from that.

 

What if the Dalish found out?  Shades of Andraste.

[Eomie]

So, I have been poking around with this fanfic I have been writing for sometime now, but I am trying to decide if I am writing it for my own pleasure or if I am writing it to share.....It is a conundrum.

[Elven_Glory]

So, I have been poking around with this fanfic I have been writing for sometime now, but I am trying to decide if I am writing it for my own pleasure or if I am writing it to share.....It is a conundrum.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I don't want to open that insanity again(regarding the racegating) - but I'm curious - how will your Lavellan's react?

Mine rolled her eyes at all the Dread Wolf mumbo-jumbo. She is NOT religious in any way shape or form.  She appreciated them as stories and nothing more.

 

By the end of DA:I, my Lavellan has started to take the Arthur Dent approach toward all the world-shattering revelations aimed her way.  She's walked the Fade physically, met Mythal, fought countless creepy ancient undead things, lost her vallaslin, and killed a would-be god who was probably one of the original magisters.  The actual revelation that she'd romanced Fen'Harel would probably get nothing more than an "Eh.  It figures.  My f***ing life."

 

I think she could understand why Solas lied initially about who he was; obviously, no one would believe him.  But she trusted him, loved him, and the realization that he never trusted her enough to tell her the truth would hurt more than anything else.  My Lavellan is not the type of person to rage and scream; she goes for the Dumbledore-esque quiet disappointment 

[Eomie]

::Twiddles thumbs :: Because I get anxious about others reading my writing.....but on the other hand, I want others to enjoy it  with me...

[Birdy]

http://fifth-essence...by-killing-them
Too big to post on here.

[Birdy]

I really really want to see a sexy professor fic with Solas.  

http://feylen.tumblr...st/108265893842