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[Prince of Keys]

Ah! Speaking of breakup scene, I'm almost there. I'm about to start the Temple of Mythas and I'm aware it happens some point after that, but when exactly? I'd like to get a save file ready so I can go over it again later (you know, when I fancy torturing myself). x)

 

But that aside, that's my gripe with a lot of fanfics. I suppose it's not technically wrong (I think it translates to "my heart" whereas vhenan alone is "heart", but it is inconsistant with what he does say, and it makes me grind my teeth in a weird way. x)

 

It's right after--as soon as you speak to Solas after getting back to Skyhold, the last romance scene will play out.

 

Elven is kind of a weird language; I think "vhenan" can be "my heart" as well as just "heart" because it's not meant to be a language you can necessarily translate word-for-word.

 

I agree - it's not my writing as an FYI.   It does make my brain go "huh" for a second but otherwise I don't get too bent out of shape over it. But to add to your complaint: Request to FF writers everywhere - can he not call he "vhenan" all the time? I mean she has a name. Feel free to use it.  Or not. It's not necessary to put an endearment at the end of every dam sentence.  WE GET IT. THEY LOVE EACH OTHER. Christ.

 

ANYWHO -  yeah. I thought ma stood for "you".  And it looks like @Addai clarified - I think it's just BW hasn't really set down the rules to the language yet. It's still kind of...all over the place.  It doesn't irk me so much to the point I can't enjoy an otherwise lovely fic - there are other things like unironically using hahren/da'len - eww.  When I

see that I'm like "BYE!!!" and close the program.

 

Oh, I know it's not yours, it's just a pet peeve of mine so I used it as a launching point to complain a little I guess, haha. Sorry.

 

"Ma" can mean "you" and "my/mine;" in that way, "ma vhenan" is technically not incorrect as a rule, but for Solas it's wrong. It bothers me because it's just not what he says, which means I start doubting how much attention the author has paid to Solas, and then I get extra nitpicky about characterization and it ruins it for me. :S The "hahren"/"da'len" stuff does the same thing--Lavellan and Solas address each other like that once and never do it again in-game. Some fics use it as the only form of address other than "vhenan" and it gets weird.

 

It's not a mistake- Merrill says this if Hawke falls in battle, and allegedly Solas does, too, though I've never heard it so can't verify.

 

Merrill says it, sure, but Solas never once does. If someone's writing a fic about Merrill and she calls someone "ma vhenan" I wouldn't mind, but Solas only ever uses "vhenan."

[Armdin]

HOW ABOUT COLE'S VA THOUGH! Too many conflicting feels about that one. 

 

Ah, Cole! Such a sweetheart, with daggers!   I've aways wanted to mention how much Cole reminds me of Fiver from Watership Down, cryptic comments and being just a little bit weird, with those far seeing eyes and a tendancy to lose it a little in uncomfortable situations. Can anyone else hear Cole say," The fields, they're covered in blood!"

 

Aw damn, now I need to read the book again. (Not watching the cartoon, I'll have enough trauma soon enough as it is with fictional characters!)

[Uirebhiril]

Ah! Speaking of breakup scene, I'm almost there. I'm about to start the Temple of Mythas and I'm aware it happens some point after that, but when exactly? I'd like to get a save file ready so I can go over it again later (you know, when I fancy torturing myself). x)

 

 

Just save before you speak to Solas after returning from the temple. The conversation you have with him there leads into that scene. Bonus if you pick the good luck kiss option.

[BoscoBread]

While I was getting fitted for a night guard, I kept gagging until I started mentally running through a level in Dishonored. True story.
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Off topic but I love Dishonored so much.  I got it on release date and didn't get into it right away. Picked it back up this summer and just fell into it so hard.  I have so many feelings about it. I have so much joy going through the city.  I grew up in Cleveland and just something about Dunwall reminds me of it so much and makes me feel so at home in it...maybe it's the rotting guts of industry.  The level design is fantastic.  After a while you feel like your sort of slipping into Corvo's skin and it just feels so natural stealthing through the levels.  I could literally go on about this game...for a while. 

[Exile Isan]

If I remember correctly (and I might not) the subtitles have the comma in the wrong place during the balcony scene. So Solas says "Ar lath ma, vhenan" but the subtitles say "Ar lath, ma vhenan". Could be the source of people confusion.

[Armdin]

I assume hahren is used when you can apologize for getting defensive over elves but when does he call Lavellan da'len? And what does it mean?

[Uirebhiril]

 

I assume hahren is used when you can apologize for getting defensive over elves but when does he call Lavellan da'len? And what does it mean?

 

 

Hahren means "elder," while da'len means "little child." I suspect the Dalish do not uses these as terms of endearment between lovers, but there you have it.

[Addai]

Merrill says it, sure, but Solas never once does. If someone's writing a fic about Merrill and she calls someone "ma vhenan" I wouldn't mind, but Solas only ever uses "vhenan."

Well Solas apparently also says it, though like I said I've never heard that in game myself. And if she uses it, then it's apparently correct usage, unless it's just a Dalish thing. I gave an example up above of a language that repeats a possessive for poetic/ emphasis reasons.

The hahren/ da'len thing would bother me if it's common. I used "hahren" once in my little Solas story, but that was deliberate. If they're using it as everyday then that sounds to me like daddy porn or something. Gross.

Off topic but I love Dishonored so much.  I got it on release date and didn't get into it right away. Picked it back up this summer and just fell into it so hard.  I have so many feelings about it. I have so much joy going through the city.  I grew up in Cleveland and just something about Dunwall reminds me of it so much and makes me feel so at home in it...maybe it's the rotting guts of industry.  The level design is fantastic.  After a while you feel like your sort of slipping into Corvo's skin and it just feels so natural stealthing through the levels.  I could literally go on about this game...for a while.

Yes it is. Eagerly awaiting a sequel. Have you played the original Thief games?

[BoscoBread]

 

I assume hahren is used when you can apologize for getting defensive over elves but when does he call Lavellan da'len? And what does it mean?

 

It's a formal term of respect for elder/teacher and da'len is child.  So when you run into Keeper Hawen out in the Dales he calls you da'len.  When it happens between Solas/Lavellan: She calls him that as a way to diffuse a conversation tha tis going off the rails.  He says something nasty about the Dalish and she is trying to calm the conversation and chide him a bit. He recognizes that he was being rude and apologizes.  This happens with either female/male Lavellans, it happens exactly once and you have to pick a specific convo. option.

 

Thus was born about one million fics with harhren/da'len being used between two adults having lots of sex. So he's calling her child when it's happening. It makes me uncomfortable.

[Armdin]

Hahren means "elder," while da'len means "little child." I suspect the Dalish do not uses these as terms of endearment between lovers, but there you have it.

 

I'd agree then. I would see it more as an honorific, something to use when being respectful but not between lovers, as you say. Bizarre. x)

Little things like that drives me nuts. Same as when people use their Inquisitor's name in fanfics. It has to be a really good story for me to stick with it, even though I realize the majority of any fanfic were there's no default playable character will feature that. I was like that with ME fics. If Shepard was referred to as anything other than Jane, I couldn't read it. x(

 

That's just me though. ^^

[RebbyWriter]

Hahren is the Elven equivalent for Korean's Oppa. It was originally used as a term for a male elder that you respect but now is also sometimes used as a word for an older boyfriend.

 

Now I'm imagining Solas dancing to "Hahren Arlathan Style."

[BoscoBread]

Yes it is. Eagerly awaiting a sequel. Have you played the original Thief games?

No.  I have them off a Steam sale and sitting unplayed among the piles of other unplayed stuff. My Bf has tried to get me to play them.  I really should because I loved not killing in Dishonored - when I could avoid. I will need to make more of an effort. I heard the 2nd one is best.  

[Armdin]

Hahren is the Elven equivalent for Korean's Oppa. It was originally used as a term for a male elder that you respect but now is also sometimes used as a word for an older boyfriend.

 

Now I'm imagining Solas dancing to "Hahren Arlathan Style."

 

Quick! Someone photoshop Solas' head onto Psy's body! I'm sure I won't regret this.

[Uirebhiril]

I suppose some like the idea of their really young Lavellan being in a "daddy" situation with Solas, and they are welcome to their headcanon and fantasy. Not passing judgement. Just noting that the terms seem to be used as if they mean something other than what they do, and it is a bit jarring for someone who might be a language/lore nerd and find it out of place.

 

Also my Lavellan is close in apparent age to Solas and would give him such a look if he persisted in calling her a child and likely accuse him of having some questionable ideas. And then kick him in the shin.

[Prince of Keys]

Well Solas apparently also says it, though like I said I've never heard that in game myself. And if she uses it, then it's apparently correct usage, unless it's just a Dalish thing. I gave an example up above of a language that repeats a possessive for poetic/ emphasis reasons.

The hahren/ da'len thing would bother me if it's common. I used "hahren" once in my little Solas story, but that was deliberate. If they're using it as everyday then that sounds to me like daddy porn or something. Gross.

 

He really doesn't, though--and I'm really sorry if it sounds like I'm trying to pick a fight, because I'm not, it's just that he calls Lavellan "ma vhenan" a grand total of 0 times in DA:I. If people are saying that he called her "ma vhenan," they either misheard or remembered something wrong.

It's fine for Merrill, but so many fics only have Solas use "ma vhenan" instead of "vhenan" when he never uses the former--that's why it bothers me. If Lavellan uses it because the fandom collectively decides it's a modern elven/Dalish thing, that's cool, but Solas never says it himself in-game.

 

Oh, I didn't even think of that sort of implication... D: It's not super common, from what I've seen, but it's common enough that it's become kind of "a thing" in the fandom.

[Ajna]

Ah, Cole! Such a sweetheart, with daggers!   I've aways wanted to mention how much Cole reminds me of Fiver from Watership Down, cryptic comments and being just a little bit weird, with those far seeing eyes and a tendancy to lose it a little in uncomfortable situations. Can anyone else hear Cole say," The fields, they're covered in blood!"

 

Aw damn, now I need to read the book again. (Not watching the cartoon, I'll have enough trauma soon enough as it is with fictional characters!)

 

DON'T TALK ABOUT WATERSHIP DOWN!

 

When I was a kid that haunted me for such a long time...

 

Edit: But yeah, I agree with you about Cole/Fiver.. *swallow*

[Addai]

He really doesn't, though--and I'm really sorry if it sounds like I'm trying to pick a fight, because I'm not, it's just that he calls Lavellan "ma vhenan" a grand total of 0 times in DA:I. If people are saying that he called her "ma vhenan," they either misheard or remembered something wrong.
It's fine for Merrill, but so many fics only have Solas use "ma vhenan" instead of "vhenan" when he never uses the former--that's why it bothers me. If Lavellan uses it because the fandom collectively decides it's a modern elven/Dalish thing, that's cool, but Solas never says it himself in-game.

Well people say that's what he says when Lavellan falls in battle. Are you sure he doesn't? I guess we'd have to search the voice files to know for sure. But yeah, it's not his common usage. I'm not sure why they don't have him using her first name. Obviously he can't do that in the game.
 

Also my Lavellan is close in apparent age to Solas and would give him such a look if he persisted in calling her a child and likely accuse him of having some questionable ideas. And then kick him in the shin.

He hesitates to call her da'len even in that first exchange where they're obviously doing the formal politeness thing. Like, it's a ... in the subtitles, so it's definitely meant as a hesitation.

And don't worry, I'll be judgy for you.    Sexytimes with papa Solas is... ugh. Fandom will fandom, I guess.

[Siha]

Ah! Speaking of breakup scene, I'm almost there. I'm about to start the Temple of Mythas and I'm aware it happens some point after that, but when exactly? I'd like to get a save file ready so I can go over it again later (you know, when I fancy torturing myself). x)

 

But that aside, that's my gripe with a lot of fanfics. I suppose it's not technically wrong (I think it translates to "my heart" whereas vhenan alone is "heart", but it is inconsistant with what he does say, and it makes me grind my teeth in a weird way. x)

 

Exactly after the quest, as soon as you go to his room and speak to him. Save before talking to him and you got it.

[Armdin]

DON'T TALK ABOUT WATERSHIP DOWN!

 

When I was a kid that haunted me for such a long time...

 

Edit: But yeah, I agree with you about Cole/Fiver.. *swallow*

 

Same, I couldn't watch the burrow's destruction scene until I was all grown up... And even then it frightened the hell out of me. D: Powerful.

 

Woops, I talked about it. xD

[Ajna]

Same, I couldn't watch the burrow's destruction scene until I was all grown up... And even then it frightened the hell out of me. D: Powerful.

 

Woops, I talked about it. xD

 

I had recurring nightmares about it... terrifying.

 

I also can't listen to Bright Eyes without turning into a heap of pathetic mess.

[Siha]

Off topic but I love Dishonored so much.  I got it on release date and didn't get into it right away. Picked it back up this summer and just fell into it so hard.  I have so many feelings about it. I have so much joy going through the city.  I grew up in Cleveland and just something about Dunwall reminds me of it so much and makes me feel so at home in it...maybe it's the rotting guts of industry.  The level design is fantastic.  After a while you feel like your sort of slipping into Corvo's skin and it just feels so natural stealthing through the levels.  I could literally go on about this game...for a while. 

 

Out of likes. But I approve. And agree. (Except for Cleveland, I did not grow up in Cleveland.)

[Exile Isan]

I've never heard Solas say that when Lorinth fell in battle, I heard him scream "No!" and "No! Hold on!" but never "ma vhenan!" And I was deliberately letting her get smashed by giants.

[Giton]

Hahren is the Elven equivalent for Korean's Oppa. It was originally used as a term for a male elder that you respect but now is also sometimes used as a word for an older boyfriend.

 

Now I'm imagining Solas dancing to "Hahren Arlathan Style."

"Oppa" is used only by women to older men, but these are men in the same peer group. It is often used to refer to one's boyfriend, but it also applies to friends as well. It means "older brother." "Nuna" would be older sister. If the person is much older (i.e. senior) and not of the same peer group, you would use "ajusshi"--"uncle." 

 

In the context of the in-game dialogue, if we are going for Korean analogues, "seonsaengnim" would be more appropriate. "Seonsaengnim" is the honorific for "teacher" or a person who ranks above you in knowledge or professional standing. 

[Armdin]

Well people say that's what he says when Lavellan falls in battle. Are you sure he doesn't? I guess we'd have to search the voice files to know for sure. But yeah, it's not his common usage. I'm not sure why they don't have him using her first name. Obviously he can't do that in the game.

 

I hope that is true. x) I never realized how few conversations you actually get with him. A lot of the time for me it's:

"Hello."

"I'll talk to you later."

"Dareth shiral."

 

I suppose it feels fuller if you just concentrate on story, but there's so much damn delicious side content that it feels like there's not a lot. It'd be nicer if he says something during gameplay to make up for it and remind me that, yes, I am doinking him.

 

Do we know if any other romances say something if the Inquisitor goes down? If so, then the chances he does too will be likely, but I can't say I've heard anything. He almost always curses (I don't even want to begin spelling that) in elven when I die.

 

Incidently, I love it if Solas dies in combat and Cole's there. The way he goes, "Solas, no!" and sounds really emotional about it makes me happysad. x)

[BoscoBread]

Out of likes. But I approve. And agree. (Except for Cleveland, I did not grow up in Cleveland.)

Cleveland is a shithole. I love it so much.