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[NightSymphony]

More silly art

 

http://purple-meow.d...mance-511914181

[nikki-tikki]

Fenris/Solas bromance is the best and I want to see it in a game so badly.

 

I would sell my soul to Bioware to have Fenris come back in a game. Imagine having Fenris and Solas???

 

hhhhhnnnnnnnnnn~ ^{Mind blast}

[Arlee]

Omg, I feel like a huge heel because I never realized Kate Mulgrew did the voice of Flemeth. I love Kate Mulgrew and I am really good at recognizing voices, how did I never know this?? ><

[Illyria]

I would sell my soul to Bioware to have Fenris come back in a game. Imagine having Fenris and Solas???

 

hhhhhnnnnnnnnnn~ ^{Mind blast}

 

Fenris and Solas having banters....

 

Yes please.

[flabbadence]

Fenris and Solas having banters....

 

Yes please.

 

Add Cole in there and that's everything I could ever want

[jellobell]

To me, the fact that the orb can be so horribly misused without Fen'Harel's consent further implies that he's not truly a divine being. What is the point of having a foci if you are already a god? Why isn't this orb completely bound to Fen'Harel's soul/spirit/godhood?

 

We can assume that perhaps he might have granted the orb 'acceptance' to work with Corypheus. But then the Inquisitor just derps and picks it up, causing the power to become bound to them. The orb needs no one's permission. It just works if it is charged up with enough power. 

Aaaand you basically said what I wanted to say but better. 

[nikki-tikki]

Fenris and Solas having banters....

 

Yes please.

 

Eargasm iminent...

 

Spoiler

[Siha]

As for the archdemons, we're not exactly sure they're elven gods. But if they were, then why can't those dragons be their original bodies? Mythal can transform into a dragon after all, and archdemons are pretty much just dragons.

 

Hrmm. I think I've changed my stance on whether archdemons were elven gods or not though. They're probably not, because the elven gods are supposed to be trapped. But elven gods might still be influencing the archdemons from their prison through the taint.

 

I am no good with the lore, but madrar could tell you. She has it all covered and I always understood that the OGS are put into the dragons. Too bad madrr is not here not to help solve this.

Definitely I know that the OGS are in the archdemons, not only influencing them. The corrupted dragon only becomes an archdemon by harboring that soul.

[Illyria]

Add Cole in there and that's everything I could ever want

 

It's like a set up for an amazing cop show.  A mage hating former slave, an elven god of rebellion and a spirit of compassion.  Together they fight crime!

 

Lyrium and Eggs by Varric Tethras.  Now avaible in The Wonders of Thedas and at your local dwarven bookseller.

[Sable Rhapsody]

To me, the fact that the orb can be so horribly misused without Fen'Harel's consent further implies that he's not truly a divine being. What is the point of having a foci if you are already a god? Why isn't this orb completely bound to Fen'Harel's soul/spirit/godhood?

 

We can assume that perhaps he might have granted the orb 'acceptance' to work with Corypheus. But then the Inquisitor just derps and picks it up, causing the power to become bound to them. The orb needs no one's permission. It just works if it is charged up with enough power. 

 

Has anyone else here read Neil Gaiman's Sandman series?  Fen'Harel's orb reminds me of the items that Dream has to retrieve after his imprisonment: the helm, the pouch, especially the ruby that Dee has.  They are extensions of his power, but they can be used (and badly misused) independently of the will of their creator.  After the first story arc, Dream stops investing so much of his power in physical objects for precisely that reason.

 

And now I'm drawing parallels between Dream and Solas.  Pride, bad life choices, magical artifacts...

 

EDIT for TOP: oldie but a goodie

source: http://mezamero.deviantart.com/

[flabbadence]

I am no good with the lore, but madrar could tell you. She has it all covered and I always understood that the OGS are put into the dragons. Too bad madrr is not here not to help solve this.

Definitely I know that the OGS are in the archdemons, not only influencing them. The corrupted dragon only becomes an archdemon by harboring that soul.

 

No I agree there's an OGS there, I just don't think OGS = Elven gods anymore, just that they're being influenced by Elven gods or maybe the Forgotten Ones from wherever they're trapped, through the taint.

[BoscoBread]

 

Has anyone else here read Neil Gaiman's Sandman series?  Fen'Harel's orb reminds me of the items that Dream has to retrieve after his imprisonment: the helm, the pouch, especially the ruby that Dee has.  They are extensions of his power, but they can be used (and badly misused) independently of the will of their creator.  After the first story arc, Dream stops investing so much of his power in physical objects for precisely that reason.

 

And now I'm drawing parallels between Dream and Solas.  Pride, bad life choices, magical artifacts...

Yes and I agree.  The fact that he pours so much of himself into those objects and sees what a weakness that was also kind of knocks him down a peg. You can see  that he questions the nature of who is because of this.

[flabbadence]

It's like a set up for an amazing cop show.  A mage hating former slave, an elven god of rebellion and a spirit of compassion.  Together they fight crime!

 

Lyrium and Eggs by Varric Tethras.  Now avaible in The Wonders of Thedas and at your local dwarven bookseller.

 

I can't with the possibilities right now:

 

Cole digging through Fenris's memories as Leto. Fenris being repulsed by this demon, especially after his experiences with Justice. Solas mediating between them, coming to respect Fenris after everything he's been through, and gaining even more determination to go through with his plan.

 

No these are not my three favorite DA characters ever why do you ask

[Siha]

The arisen andraste?

 

It seemed like she would have been lost to me had we not given her to Merrill in DA 2.

 

But yea the fight was easy, and I'd prefer not thinking it's because HoF is just a huge Mary Sue. Could just be that Mythal's not as strong as you'd expect her to be this weakened though.

That dragon on the Mountain in front of the Temple of Sacred Ashes. Was a lot tougher than Flemeth. Flemeth I could take down without healing potions on Nightmare, that Andraste dragon was another league.

 

I don't think she would have been lost. In that amulet was only a wisp. A wisp! I can't even think of what other ways she had to ship herself.

 

If she were not as strong as we thought she would have died that day. But the thing is she was willing to give the grimoire away and fighting us was just a test or something. Even Morrigan knew beforehand that Flemeth would not perish. It was simply an opportunity to fight a dragon before the archdemon (and the Andraste).

 

 

If you send me to New Jersey, I'm making a fanfic of Solas with a male qunari, LOL.

 

How is that supposed to scare me? Unless you want to imply I would be heartbroken if some fan killed you for that.

 

 

Lol indeed. People assume too much of the guy that told them half truths since the relationship began.

 

He only held back when speaking to the others. He was all different to me. I really know him.

(And he actually never told me anything about the real world other than that he didn't participate in it much.)

[flabbadence]

 

Has anyone else here read Neil Gaiman's Sandman series?  Fen'Harel's orb reminds me of the items that Dream has to retrieve after his imprisonment: the helm, the pouch, especially the ruby that Dee has.  They are extensions of his power, but they can be used (and badly misused) independently of the will of their creator.  After the first story arc, Dream stops investing so much of his power in physical objects for precisely that reason.

 

And now I'm drawing parallels between Dream and Solas.  Pride, bad life choices, magical artifacts...

 

EDIT for TOP: oldie but a goodie

source: http://mezamero.deviantart.com/

 

I've never read it, a fact I am ashamed of as a Gaiman fan. But I've been saving up for it. Soon.

[Uirebhiril]

If you (not only you, flabba) think that the elven gods are bound to a body and Mythal was an exception, then what's about the OGS in the archdemons and stuff? How do the OGS even exist and can be carried by a corrupted dagon if they are inside the elven gods' bodies? We've had 5 Blights, 5 OGS. Four of them we don't know about, but one is in Solas now. Where are their bodies? How were they separated if they do not body hop? What happened? I do not think a soul can be taken without its consent.

Actually, every unrelated to this debate, I have wondered this for awhile.

 

Not every playthrough has an OGB Kieran, so I wonder how likely it is that Flemeth transfers any soul to Solas at the end. I was under the impression it was her power, but the godhood essence (Mythal's soul wisp?) goes to Morrigan. I suppose that would mean the original soul of Flemeth passes on, or is tucked away somewhere safe.

 

Though I sometimes wonder if the "No matter what happens now..." comment Solas makes is in regards to what might happen to him and not the world as a whole. If he suddenly becomes a godvessel for Mythal or whoever, he'd possibly be a bit changed if/when we see him again.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I've never read it, a fact I am ashamed of as a Gaiman fan. But I've been saving up for it. Soon.

 

So as much as I adore Sandman and Gaiman, I should warn you that it takes a while to find its way.  If you're reading it in the graphic novel format, Preludes and Nocturnes is the one with Dream recovering his relics, but IMO it's a bit uneven and meander-y.  The series really takes off in Dream Country, where it pretty much cuts ties with the rest of the DCU and just does its own thing.  It's not bad by any means before Dream Country, just not as cohesive.

[Siha]

Not every playthrough has an OGB Kieran, so I wonder how likely it is that Flemeth transfers any soul to Solas at the end. I was under the impression it was her power, but the godhood essence (Mythal's soul wisp?) goes to Morrigan. I suppose that would mean the original soul of Flemeth passes on, or is tucked away somewhere safe.

 

Though I sometimes wonder if the "No matter what happens now..." comment Solas makes is in regards to what might happen to him and not the world as a whole. If he suddenly becomes a godvessel for Mythal or whoever, he'd possibly be a bit changed if/when we see him again.

 

Good point. Maybe he only took Mythal. But the OGS in Kieran was too important, BW must find a way to include it in other world states, too. You cannot recover an OGS and then just not follow up on it (I think). But you are right, we do not know where it went. She is at that Eluvian when Solas comes, she might have done whatever.

Another good point is the second, I like (but still out of likes).

[Avejajed]

I find this conversation about Solas being a "god" both interesting...and frustrating.

 

The first problem is that we are all using our own definitions of what "god" means anyway.

 

Here's what Oxford says.

 

 

1 (In Christianity and other monotheistic religions) The creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.

 

 

2 (god) (In certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity:

 

 

2.1An image, idol, animal, or other object worshiped as divine or symbolizing a god.

 

 

2.2Used as a conventional personification of fate

 

 

3 (god) An adored, admired, or influential person

 

 

3.1A thing accorded the supreme importance appropriate to a god:

 

What that means is that until we have a single, clear-cut definition of "god" given to us by the writers, (and not our own personal definition of "god") there is no way of proving or disproving if Solas does or does not fit into that category. Solas's opinion on the matter means less than nothing. His believing he is not a god does not make it so.

 

What we do know, however, is that according to the definitions of "god" given here, Fen'harel, for all intents and purposes, is indeed a "god" because he fits one or more of the above guidelines.

 

Until we are proved otherwise, Fen'harel is considered a god by his "people" and I will consider him as such as well.

 

I'm late to the conversation. Sorry.

[Arlee]

Not every playthrough has an OGB Kieran, so I wonder how likely it is that Flemeth transfers any soul to Solas at the end. I was under the impression it was her power, but the godhood essence (Mythal's soul wisp?) goes to Morrigan. I suppose that would mean the original soul of Flemeth passes on, or is tucked away somewhere safe.

 

Though I sometimes wonder if the "No matter what happens now..." comment Solas makes is in regards to what might happen to him and not the world as a whole. If he suddenly becomes a godvessel for Mythal or whoever, he'd possibly be a bit changed if/when we see him again.

 

My theory is it still exists just that if you didn't do it in your game Morrigan wasn't the one who did it. Flemeth is more than capable of tracking it down even if it wasn't Morrigan's child.

[nikki-tikki]

I can't with the possibilities right now:

 

Cole digging through Fenris's memories as Leto. Fenris being repulsed by this demon, especially after his experiences with Justice. Solas mediating between them, coming to respect Fenris after everything he's been through.

 

No these are not my three favorite DA characters ever why do you ask

 

 

omgggggg the head cannon is firing....

 

Cole is able to finally help Fenris overcome his hate. It would be such a touching moment and thinking about it makes me cry.

[Colonelkillabee]

Double post

[Colonelkillabee]

No, I think a god is much more than that. A mage is much more powerful than myself. They're able to shape the world according to their whims. Nature is much more powerful than myself. To be a god is not simply to be powerful, or that stretches the definition to the point of absurdity.

To quote the rock, "It doesn't matter what you think!" we can argue semantics of what a God is all day, but it doesn't really change anything. God or not, what Mythal pulled off is special even for powerful powerful mages. Even spirits.

You can't say what the "gods" are or aren't at this point when all you've seen are two half assed ones in weakened states.

You can disagree of course, but if anyone's going to sit here and pretend like they know what the gods are, they're kidding themselves.

[Vorathrad]

I completely agree with jelobell on the elven gods-polytheistic gods/Maker-monotheistic god; in fact I was thinking about it when I read her post.

Looking at the Greek gods, they have artifacts that can fall beyond their control and even change hands, and they can interact with mortals in human shape but they sometimes take animal form (Zeus mating with Danae in swan form and seducing Europa in bull form) I think this matches quite well what could be the nature of elven gods; and as Solas observes that people in Thedas usually link the concept of godhood to the Maker, he tries to make it clear that elven gods are of a completely different nature without fully explaining because of they-will-never-buy-I-know-this-from-the-Fade reasons.

[flabbadence]

So as much as I adore Sandman and Gaiman, I should warn you that it takes a while to find its way.  If you're reading it in the graphic novel format, Preludes and Nocturnes is the one with Dream recovering his relics, but IMO it's a bit uneven and meander-y.  The series really takes off in Dream Country, where it pretty much cuts ties with the rest of the DCU and just does its own thing.  It's not bad by any means before Dream Country, just not as cohesive.

 

I'll probably still go with how it was written chronologically, but thanks for the warning  . At least I now know I should see it through until it gets good