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[Siha]

Probably not, but LOL that's rather close to what he's doing But yea, I get your point.

 

Good! Btw, I just noticed it myself, did you get that with the tower? The tower? Tower card? I am so awsome. (Yes, I am.)

[electricfish]

The choices alistair made was funny-bad. 

I imagine that Morrigan had some influence on those, despite Alistair hating her. He's not a very forceful personality in Origins and if his main influence was Morrigan he'd still be inclined to take her advice. Dat Templar training.

[Maria13]

I imagine that Morrigan had some influence on those, despite Alistair hating her. He's not a very forceful personality in Origins and if his main influence was Morrigan he'd still be inclined to take her advice. Dat Templar training.

 

Please I don't want to get into this. But I disagree... Alistair pay heed to Morrigan? No.

[Colonelkillabee]

Good! Btw, I just noticed it myself, did you get that with the tower? The tower? Tower card? I am so awsome. (Yes, I am.)

LOL but it still is a card Haha.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I feel like I'm the only one to be excited to murder kill him.

 
Excited...not precisely.  But if Solas winds up going the route of Sun Li the Glorious Strategist for the long game, the joy of FINALLY having an awesome bad guy will help ease the sting of having to oppose (and probably kill) him.

 

Though aside from being intelligent, I don't think Solas is a lot like Sun Li.  He cares too much about people, and Li doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself.

[Siha]

LOL but it still is a card Haha.

 

Nitpicker.

[Avejajed]

I need help with lore!

Where is the earliest mention of the Archdemons being the Tevinter old gods that have been blighted?

I mean, who decided that they were? How did they know the first archdemon was Dumat, specifically? How do they know that it's specific two that are left? Did the Archdemon talk? Was he like "yO! I'm Dumat bitcxhes! Prepare to die!"

Gimme codexs! I'm on to something!

[Mims]

 

Though aside from being intelligent, I don't think Solas is a lot like Sun Li.  He cares too much about people, and Li doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself.

 

Yeah, I don't think Solas is like Sun Li. But I wish we had a Sun Li, or at least a villain that was evil without being crazy about it. Bioware seems to like their villains to be either:

 

- redeemable

- corrupted/crazy/full ham

 

There's rarely room for more subtle antagonistic forces. Part of the reason I really like the Architect. Although he sort of fits under the redeemable category, I think his lack of understanding human emotions will always be an issue even if he's on our side for the time being. 

[Mims]

Where is the earliest mention of the Archdemons being the Tevinter old gods that have been blighted?
 

 

That...is a very good question. I'm honestly not sure. I imagine it might have something to do with the whispers the Magisters heard. 

[Caddius]

I need help with lore!

Where is the earliest mention of the Archdemons being the Tevinter old gods that have been blighted?

I mean, who decided that they were? How did they know the first archdemon was Dumat, specifically? How do they know that it's specific two that are left? Did the Archdemon talk? Was he like "yO! I'm Dumat bitcxhes! Prepare to die!"

Gimme codexs! I'm on to something!

Give me a moment.

EDIT: The Old Gods were all represented by certain statues. Apparently all dragons do not look alike.

It's curious that they've seem to have been uncovered by the darkspawn in the same order the Tevinter usually listed them.

There are two Codex entries in Here Lies the Abyss that address this. Give me a minute to find them, the wiki is being uncooperative.

[Mims]

 

It's curious that they've seem to have been uncovered by the darkspawn in the same order the Tevinter usually listed them.

 

 

Perhaps it is just humans assigning them with names? Kind of like people name hurricanes on a list. The archdemon didn't seem too talkative or wanting to introduce himself. 

[almasy87]

I need help with lore!

Where is the earliest mention of the Archdemons being the Tevinter old gods that have been blighted?

I mean, who decided that they were? How did they know the first archdemon was Dumat, specifically? How do they know that it's specific two that are left? Did the Archdemon talk? Was he like "yO! I'm Dumat bitcxhes! Prepare to die!"

Gimme codexs! I'm on to something!

http://dragonage.wik...y:_The_Old_Gods
http://dragonage.wik...ntry:_Archdemon

These? It doesn't say exactly who decided it..more that it's how it's believed to be.. but these are codex from DAO so I suppose they are among the first entries?

[Mims]

I am finally almost sort of done with this Dread Wolf drawing! 

 

[Somewhat NSFW]

 

Spoiler

[Caddius]

A Codex Entry by a Templar describing the statue of Dumat he saw in Tevinter and how it terrified him. I believe there is another one, by a First Blight era Tevinter mage, referencing that when he saw the Archdemon, he recognized it as Dumat, albeit corrupted.

The Dragon Age wiki's list of codex entries is...not satisfying, organization wise. 

[Colonelkillabee]

I am finally almost sort of done with this Dread Wolf drawing! 

 

[Somewhat NSFW]

 

Spoiler

 

 

Yea, black wolf Solas! Cool art Mims. Are you on deviantart?

 

Also, I hope your Lavellan's name is Mims too, It fits the avatar way too much. I'm assuming not though, LOL.

[KarateKats]

I am finally almost sort of done with this Dread Wolf drawing! 

 

[Somewhat NSFW]

 

Spoiler

I really love how you did the ground to mimic his orb I assume. The colors are lovely as well.

[Avejajed]

A Codex Entry by a Templar describing the statue of Dumat he saw in Tevinter and how it terrified him. I believe there is another one, by a First Blight era Tevinter mage, referencing that when he saw the Archdemon, he recognized it as Dumat, albeit corrupted.
The Dragon Age wiki's list of codex entries is...not satisfying, organization wise.

Wait, so because some terrified guys thought this dragon resembled a -statue- of Dumat...thats why we forever assume that the archdemons have anything to do with the Tevinter old gods?

And how did someone make a statue of Dumat anyway, the old magisters saw them in person??

How does anyone know what Dumat looks like? And how can a friggin blighted dragon look anything like what may be a likeness of Dumat? I assume they imagined Dumat in their likeness, so he'd be humanish.

[Caddius]

http://dragonage.wik..._Sentinel_Elves

Found an interesting one.

Still hunting.

I can't recall the name of the Codex entry. So I'm just clicking all of the things.

[Colonelkillabee]

Wait, so because some terrified guys thought this dragon resembled a -statue- of Dumat...thats why we forever assume that the archdemons have anything to do with the Tevinter old gods?

And how did someone make a statue of Dumat anyway, the old magisters saw them in person??

How does anyone know what Dumat looks like? And how can a friggin blighted dragon look anything like what may be a likeness of Dumat? I assume they imagined Dumat in their likeness, so he'd be humanish.

Well, if he came to the magisters in their dreams, he or she, whatever they call Dumat could have given them a likeness. But Dumat isn't really Dumat anyway, so what they call him or her, and what they make it look like on statues is inconsequential really.

[Mims]

Yea, black wolf Solas! Cool art Mims. Are you on deviantart?

 

Also, I hope your Lavellan's name is Mims too, It fits the avatar way too much. I'm assuming not though, LOL.

 

I think I might be, but its been so long since I've used it. I'm a little bit of an awkward recluse at times. I do have a site, but it is painfully barebones. I'll eventually get a tumblr or something. 

 

As for her name, unfortunately not! At the moment her name is Yara, but I'm not committed to it.

 

 

I really love how you did the ground to mimic his orb I assume. The colors are lovely as well.

 

Thank you! It didn't quite come out how I wanted, but I'm glad it at least partially resembles the orb design. 

[Caddius]

I'm going to load a save and just take a picture and transcribe the goddamn Codex entries. 

And then someone else can upload them into the Vir'dirthan wiki and slap on the appropriate tags. 

[Sister Squish]

In case this is helpful, extracts from World of Thedas: 

 

Gods Imprisoned

The Dalish tell stories of an ancient conflict during the reign of the elven gods. They say the pantheon, led by Mythal and Elgar'nan, warred endlessly with gods of terror, malice, spite and pestilence known as the Forgotten Ones. 

  In between was Fen'Harel, a god of tricks who walked as kin with the pantheon, but was also regarded by the Forgotten Ones as one of their own. 

  The Dalish believe Fen'Harel conspired to lock away both good and evil to have Elvhenan for himself. It is said that he promised a truce between the good gods and the Forgotten Ones. 

  He sealed the gods away in their respective realms, leaving the elves to fend for themselves. It was then that the humans came, and, later under Tevinter, the great elven city of Arlathan fell. 

  "After the destruction of Arlathan, when the gods could no longer hear our prayers, it is said that Fen'Harel spent centuries in a far corner of the earth, giggling madly and hugging humself in glee," wrote Gisharel, once the keeper of the Dalish clan Ralaferin,

  This story of elven downfall, whether true or not, serves to reinforce and justify the divide between human and elf.

 

Old Gods

  The Old Gods were a set of seven dragon deities worshipped by the majority of humans in Thedas prior to the rise of the Chantry. Worship of the Old Gods first gained in popularity in the ancient Tevinter Imperium. As the Imperium's influence spread across Thedas, so too did worship of these dragons. Many elves enslaved by the Imperium were forced to worship them instead of their own gods.

  Two main factors contributed to the decline of the Old God worship: the rise of the Blights, blamed on the Old Gods that awakened as blighted Archdemons, and the spread of the Chantry, which taught that the Old Gods were spirits that betrayed the Maker. 

  Archdemons are said to be the physical form of the Old Gods.

 

Religion in Tevinter - History

  Before there were the magisters or a unified Imperium, there were the Dreamers. The first Dreamers emerged from the tribes of the Neromenian people. They claimed to have visions of a Realm of the Gods, and as proof of their visions, demonstrated miraculous powers. 

  The legendary Thalsian was the first Dreamer. It is said he communicated with and learned blood magic from the Old God Dumat after encountering him in visions of what is now assumed to be the Fade. The Neromenian tribes, who had worshipped fallen heroes reborn as dragons, adopted Dreamers as their leaders, and began to instead worship the Dreamers' gods, also as dragons. By the time the Imperium unified under the Dreamer Darinius, the first Archon, worship of the Old Gods was ubiquitous. Darinius established the magisterium from the priesthood of these seven gods. Thalsian was named an honorary Archon. 

  Worship of the seven Old Gods was the religion of the Imperium for hundreds of years. Great temples were built in their honor, with each Old God depicted as a great dragon. 

  The organized worship of the Old Gods was at its highest prior to the First Blight, when it is written that Dumat himself rose from his prison as the first Archdemon. While the Chantry insists the darkspawn created the first Archdemon, some ancient lore says that Dumat created the first darkspawn and led them against Thedas. Either way, Old God faithful were betrayed to discover one of their deities could turn against them. 

  Worship of the Old Gods continued to wane, especially with the creation of the Imperial Chantry under Hesserian. By the time the Second Blight ended, spots of worship persisted only in isolated pockets. The Chantry was thorough in stamping most out, razing temples and driving the congregants underground. The temples that survived were converted to Circles of the Imperium. 

  A rare few cults are still devoted to those two Old Gods that have not risen as Archdemons. The dragon still remains Tevinter's most prominent symbol - even if its true significance has been largely forgotten.

 

And then in a seperate box: 

The Seven Old Gods

Andoral: Dragon of Slaves

Dumat: Dragon of Silence

Lusacan: Dragon of Night

Razikale: Dragon of Mystery

Toth: Dragon of Fire

Urthemiel: Dragon of Beauty

Zazikel: Dragon of Freedom

[Avejajed]

Well, if he came to the magisters in their dreams, he or she, whatever they call Dumat could have given them a likeness. But Dumat isn't really Dumat anyway, so what they call him or her, and what they make it look like on statues is inconsequential really.

 

But that's the point, right?

 

All this time, we've (not all,but most) automatically assumed (because, reasons) that these archdemons are either directly connected to the Tevinter old  gods or are the Tevinter old gods, blighted.

 

But why?

 

Why do they have to be connected at all? There's not nearly enough proof that one has anything to do with the other.

 

So some guy is like, dude, that dragon looks A HELL OF A LOT like this statue I saw four years ago of Dumat. Must be him! And thats' what we base this off of?

 

That's not even going into how unlikely it is that anyone around had actually ever even "seen" Dumat, much less be able to carve a statue of him with any believable realistic features.

 

The calling, though. Hell, if I was an ancient old demony dragon thing I'd be blaming my **** on someone else too. ""OOOH I'm so evil and mean. My name is Dumat!" And then he's all like "Those idiots are so studid they think I'm Dumat hahahah."

 

Well, or something like that.

[Avejajed]

I'm going to load a save and just take a picture and transcribe the goddamn Codex entries. 

And then someone else can upload them into the Vir'dirthan wiki and slap on the appropriate tags. 

 

This is why I wanted to make the wiki into our own little codex reference point lol.

[Colonelkillabee]

I think I might be, but its been so long since I've used it. I'm a little bit of an awkward recluse at times. I do have a site, but it is painfully barebones. I'll eventually get a tumblr or something. 

 

As for her name, unfortunately not! At the moment her name is Yara, but I'm not committed to it.

You should make a tumblr so I can reblog them Or if you give me permission, I'll blog it with your name and website in the description of the pictures.

 

Yara Lavellan definitely sounds better than Mims Lavellan But still, Mims matches so much to me. Yara does work too though.

 

Maybe Mims could be short for some elven name though.