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This is about what we have:

 

Regarding your inquiry regarding the so-called "astrariums," it is our considered belief that these are relics from a cult that existed in the pre-Andrastian era of the Tevinter Imperium. Now, what would be considered a cult in a society that worshipped the Old Gods? An order of magisters who believed in the destruction of the Magisterium, the governing body of the Imperium that determines which mages are and are not given the "magister" title. The members of this order wished to return to an earlier period where Dreamers ruled, and evidence indicates they operated throughout Tevinter, though primarily in the frontier areas. There they would lock away their secrets, caches of treasure, and perhaps even secret meeting places (though we have no way of knowing for certain), unlockable only through knowledge of ancient astronomy—a practice that was, we understand, rather out of fashion in the late Tevinter period.

 

According to our investigations, each of the astrariums could point to the secret cache if one knew the three constellations that mapped to each device present at the site. Connect the dweomers in the correct configuration, and it would be revealed. Many of these relics were sought out byAndrastian cultists in the early Divine Age (the Order of Fiery Promise in particular) and destroyed. Why? Because they believed the astrariums held together the Veil, and that destroying them would destroy the Veil and thus the world. Such is the way of cults of any kind that the true reasons for what they do could never truly be understood by modern minds.

 

—From a letter written by Magister Pelidanus, head of the Corial Order, 5:12 Exalted
—From Codex entry: Astrariums

 

Lmao thank you, I should really google stuff first.

 

I hardly paid attention to this codex entry when I first read it. But it's actually pretty interesting. Tevinters who want to bring the Dreamers back and destroy the Magisterium. That sounds a lot like what elves would want. And astrariums might also hold the Veil together? Maybe they're Tevinter renditions of Solas's artifacts


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Random thing but, I never did the Emerald Graves yet, and I came across the Bastion of Elgar'nan, with the Dalish encampment. Can you ever open that door to the enclosed Area?.. If not, the way Taven(sp?) Talks to you, maybe It's a pre-cursorer area to a DLC? He says he can contact you if they ever find anything?

 

Just a thought that occured to me when I stumbled into it, probably been discussed before/Might be a War Table mission I missed. 



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My Warden - Lady Cousland was religious, but only really out of habit due to being raised as nobility.  DA2 - I don't know - I didn't flesh out Hawke that well because everything about that game made me cranky. She was a person.

 

Lavellan was deeply atheist.  Even when she met Mythal she was still like 'There are no gods.  You're just a crazy lady screaming at me'.  She believed she was Mythal and Mythal existed and was terrifyingly powerful but that's just magic.

 

My Warden believed in the Maker and Andraste...but not so much the Chantry.  My Hawke was closer to a deist; she believed that the Maker existed, but had pretty deep misgivings about the rest of it, including Andraste.

 

By the end of DA:I, my Lavellan's seen so much weird stuff that she's basically like, "I don't know jack s***.  None of you know jack s*** either, so everyone just shut up and help me fix this goddamn world first."  The Solas breakup left her a bit cranky.


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Random thing but, I never did the Emerald Graves yet, and I came across the Bastion of Elgar'nan, with the Dalish encampment. Can you ever open that door to the enclosed Area?.. If not, the way Taven(sp?) Talks to you, maybe It's a pre-cursorer area to a DLC? He says he can contact you if they ever find anything?

Just a thought that occured to me when I stumbled into it, probably been discussed before/Might be a War Table mission I missed.


You can get in after wicked eyes...

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You can get in after wicked eyes...

 

I thought it was something I missed! I was wondering why a War Table mission never popped.

 

Shh, I didn't explore alot on my two other PTs. 


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So, I was cutting up some onions for dinner, right? My eyes were burning up, man! (btw, I tried the gum trick, it doesn't work)

 

What does work is sticking your head in the freezer for a sec or two. The cold neutralizes the chemical that causes your eyes to tear up. It's pretty much instant relief :)



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Probably studying it. 

 

Because they were likely new magic since it requires the skulls of the Tranquil.  He's studying them. Solas just means pride.  I don't think he and that temple are related.  It's like somebody being named "Grace" or something. He took that name to remind himself of his failure/flaws.  

 

The shards...who knows.  Could be something similar.

 

Except there's ancient elven inscriptions and glyphs in that temple

 

http://ma-salath.tum...ple-inscription

 

Edit: Here's a better video, with Solas's translation:

http://youtu.be/qIBvbqv39mw?t=9m22s



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Shards too, actually. What are they exactly? Pieces of the fade? We need tranquil skulls to locate them, and what's that about? And how come Solas doesn't appear to know anything about them when you see the first occularum, even though shards are necessary for the Solasan temple? And why does he have one on his desk?

 

Solas has one on his desk, because he's studying them for the Inquisition.  ...But he spends most of his time working on his frescoes, because he already knows what they are and is just making up "hypothesizes" in a few minutes.  :P   Shards are probably some sort of Fade bits, and we know they're keys, but I have a hard time wrapping my head around the tranquil skulls business.  One guess, is that the shards are intentionally hidden, probably with something like rift magic, so they can't normally be seen by anyone who can be influenced by the Fade.  Tranquil are disconnected from the Fade, so the magic doesn't affect them the same way, therefore someone looking through their "eyes" can find the shards.   

 

Or, given the strange whispering around them, maybe the shards are inhabited by spirits, and they enable the same trick Cole uses to hide the keys from anyone who isn't normally meant to see them.  The tranquil skulls have the same whispering going on, so maybe the spirit in the skulls helps to see the spirit possessed keys?  That doesn't explain why the poor tranquil are specifically targeted... 


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I thought it was something I missed! I was wondering why a War Table mission never popped.

Shh, I didn't explore alot on my two other PTs.


I can't remember if it's a war table operation too, I just know that you only get sent back there after that point in the story...which annoys me...because I don't enjoy wicked eyes, even when I beat them all, not a fan of timers and that's the only part I dislike, it's worth it for other egg related reasons obviously..and I've gone completely off on a tangent haven't I?
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Shards too, actually. What are they exactly? Pieces of the fade? We need tranquil skulls to locate them, and what's that about? And how come Solas doesn't appear to know anything about them when you see the first occularum, even though shards are necessary for the Solasan temple? And why does he have one on his desk?

 

He's studying it... He doesn't know anything about them... Yet.

 

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Random thing but, I never did the Emerald Graves yet, and I came across the Bastion of Elgar'nan, with the Dalish encampment. Can you ever open that door to the enclosed Area?.. If not, the way Taven(sp?) Talks to you, maybe It's a pre-cursorer area to a DLC? He says he can contact you if they ever find anything?

 

Just a thought that occured to me when I stumbled into it, probably been discussed before/Might be a War Table mission I missed. 

 

After "Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts" you'll get a War Table operation that opens it.


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He's studying it... He doesn't know anything about them... Yet.

"Hmm, I cannot yet give their nature, but it seems as though these were created by a people who loved to watch men run around like assholes. I believe whoever is responsible... is a dick."

 

"Is... that your... professional opinion, Solas?"

 

"Yes."

 

Scumbag Bioware just needed something to take up space, lol.


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"Hmm, I cannot yet give their nature, but it seems as though these were created by a people who loved to watch men run around like assholes. I believe whoever is responsible... is a dick."

"Is... that your... professional opinion, Solas?"

"Yes."

Scumbag Bioware just needed something to take up space, lol.

*snort*

I'd pay good money to hear Solas come out with something like that..
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I doubt the existence of the elven gods means that there is no Maker. Solas is not omnipotent, and Cole mentions something 'very far off' when talking about the Maker. So there may very well be something that sparked life into Thedas. The elven gods are not attributed with creating life. They essentially overpowered their forebears, who are described as Elgar'nan's parents. 
 
In a sense, it is kind of like you have a tier of godlike beings. You have the Maker, who is what one would think of as a traditional 'all powerful, all knowing' sort of god. And then you have the elven gods, who are anything from super-powered mages to norse/greek gods. They are something, but if the Maker is real, they aren't on that level of existence. 
 
Although we likely will never know if the Maker is real or not, as Bioware has said they want that to be an element of faith in the series.

This reminds me of Eru Ilúvatar and the Ainur in the Silmarillion, with Eru the supreme god and only true creator of life, and the Ainur shaping the world according to the primeval song given by Eru (the song referred many times in DA always reminded me of the first chapter in the Silmarillion)
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Ok guys, I hat a bit of a tinfoil theory dump down on me and that NEVER HAPPENS TO ME so I'm a bit excited!

 

*puts on tinfoil*

 

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Two things about my day I would like to share.

 

1. Tumblr has ruined "Watcha Say" for me.

 

2. I PAID ONE OF MY CARS OFF TODAY YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.


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I can't remember if it's a war table operation too, I just know that you only get sent back there after that point in the story...which annoys me...because I don't enjoy wicked eyes, even when I beat them all, not a fan of timers and that's the only part I dislike, it's worth it for other egg related reasons obviously..and I've gone completely off on a tangent haven't I?

 

Thank you! I thought I was just being paranoid, but I was kinda raising my eyebrows at the whole no war-table mission discovered, but I haven't done Wicked Eyes as of yet. Trying to do all the elf-related stuff In the PT. 



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The elven gods could be seen as the demiurge figures to the Maker's distant, uninvolved gnostic god.  Ahaha... the servants of the demiurge are called Archons.


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This reminds me of Eru Ilúvatar and the Ainur in the Silmarillion, with Eru the supreme god and only true creator of life, and the Ainur shaping the world according to the primeval song given by Eru (the song referred many times in DA always reminded me of the first chapter in the Silmarillion)

Eru is based on the Christian god, though, and I'm skeptical that DA is going to go that route, at least in a way that they'll ever identify as such.

Speaking of astrariums, does the game ever explain lore-wise how they work?

I'm curious that Solas says he's never seen them, but the Andraste cults apparently tried to get rid of them. Also that they look so much like the elven artifacts.
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Two things about my day I would like to share.

1. Tumblr has ruined "Watcha Say" for me.

2. I PAID ONE OF MY CARS OFF TODAY YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.


My day has been a case of nobody telling me that my clothes are on inside out...I'm also very talkative today appaently...
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Eru is based on the Christian god, though, and I'm skeptical that DA is going to go that route, at least in a way that they'll ever identify as such.

I'm curious that Solas says he's never seen them, but the Andraste cults apparently tried to get rid of them. Also that they look so much like the elven artifacts.

 

 

Solas can not be trusted with truthiness.


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I always assumed It was something like.

 

The Maker(?) - God god, Omnipotent and all that. 

             I (Connected somehow, maybe?)

Elgar'nan and Mythal/The Forgotten Ones, whoever they are. - Extremely powerful beings who are different then the rest of the Elven Pantheon

             I

Their *Childern*, The Elven Pantheon. (Maybe Fen'Harel? aswell)

             I

The elves who somehow obtained godhood. (Maybe Fen'harel goes here?)

 

I'm pretty sure that Mythal and Elgar'nan are somehow different then the rest of the Pantheon, hence the whole All-father, All-mother buisness. 


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The elven gods could be seen as the demiurge figures to the Maker's distant, uninvolved gnostic god. Ahaha... the servants of the demiurge are called Archons.


They can't be Archon's, they're afraid of trees...

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I always assumed It was something like.

 

The Maker(?) - God god, Omnipotent and all that. 

             I (Connected somehow, maybe?)

Elgar'nan and Mythal/The Forgotten Ones, whoever they are. - Extremely powerful beings who are different then the rest of the Elven Pantheon

             I

Their *Childern*, The Elven Pantheon. (Maybe Fen'Harel? aswell)

             I

The elves who somehow obtained godhood. (Maybe Fen'harel goes here?)

 

I'm pretty sure that Mythal and Elgar'nan are somehow different then the rest of the Pantheon, hence the whole All-father, All-mother buisness. 

 

I feel like we need a chart.



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I feel like we need a chart.

We do.


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