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[Colonelkillabee]

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Helloo... this looks like Merrill after Isabella's influence

[flabbadence]

Helloo... this looks like Merrill after Isabella's influence

 

And one too many blood rituals

[almasy87]

Yeah.. My Lavellan is worried about him, and she cried both because she feels lonely and because it pains her to not know where he is after seeing him like that. She loves to help her friends and people.. and the one she wants to help the most isn't there and she feels like it's her fault, she thinks she could have done more to prevent this.. and somewhat she feels betrayed because she gave him the space he needed and trusted him to confide in her after the battle but that did not happen. 

That's what I'm drawing about for my Solavellan I drew the "happy handing" Cullen/Trev, and now I will have the sad Solavellan version :/ 

[almasy87]

But yes all this is getting a bit sad so..
Have a funny Solas 
http://36.media.tumb...722ymo2_500.png

XD

[jellobell]

 

I've been back to compare the two.    The one with male Lavellan replaces the romance (vallaslin) one with female Lavellan.    I actually didn't see why I should get the prompt which leads into me saying "it sounds like you're leaving", because he was merely talking about he hoped we would be able to recover the orb.    Clearly my  character in game is more perceptive than I am.   With romanced Lavellan you get the opportunity to go back and ask him again "About us".    He tells her she should concentrate on the matter in hand and not emotional entanglements but then when pressed by her definitely says "Afterwards all will be revealed."    Naturally she thinks she will get an explanation, not that he will simply go off with the briefest of goodbyes.   May be if the orb had not been destroyed, he might have explained, but I doubt it since the last thing he would want is for someone else to try and claim it. The fact is that "all is revealed" to us looking on into the action but never to her. 

I'm curious, what makes you say this? From what he says, getting the orb is his endgame, and after that he'd be able to not just tell Lavellan what's up but show her as well. What I got from his "all will be revealed" was that he was going to use the orb and thus reveal what he'd been hiding in the process. So Lavellan would know, one way or another.

 

Of course, the orb breaking meant that he had to drastically alter his plans. He's obviously heartbroken after the battle with Corypheus, probably because he realizes that the only other way to get the power he needs is by killing his oldest friend. At that point, telling Lavellan everything would have just been cruel. He doesn't know what will happen to him when he goes after Mythal.

 

Perhaps telling Lavellan everything never would've been feasible, but I think it's rather obvious that Solas wanted it to have been feasible. He makes mistakes, yes. He makes tons of mistakes. But they were made honestly. He was between a rock and a hard place.

 

It is all very well the writer saying that he was intending to tell her the truth; we don't know that in game, she doesn't know that.   All we have is him skirting the truth time and again, then outright deception in their last ever speech together before they leave for the final battle.

Well I think it was rather obvious that he was struggling to tell Lavellan the truth during that last romance scene. And even earlier than that, during the balcony scene, he's frustrated by his inability to fully express what he thinks of the Inquisitor. Intention matters. Solas is incredibly guarded, for a large number of reasons. A romanced or befriended Inquisitor is the first non-spirit person in a very long time that he's been able to trust. But re-learning how to trust is difficult, and the strength of the barriers he's placed around himself is probably a big factor in why he finds it so difficult to open up to the Inquisitor. Yes, everything would've been easier if he'd just spit it out, but things don't always turn out ideally.

 

Also, how do you know it was outright deception? From my reading of it, he didn't set out to deceive but found his plans falling apart after the orb ended up broken. What he had originally planned to do was no longer in the cards.

 

I do agree that Lavellan is left with very few answers, but I also had a feeling that (mine at least) was starting to put things together. Especially after seeing Solas's reaction after the final battle. She realizes that there are likely extenuating circumstances for why Solas felt the need to leave so abruptly, and more than anything else she's worried about what he feels he needs to do.

 

I'm not saying this to excuse what he did. It was a dick move, and you're perfectly within your rights to prefer a less complicated romance where there aren't any barriers to communication. 

 

[BoscoBread]

I've been back to compare the two. The one with male Lavellan replaces the romance (vallaslin) one with female Lavellan. I actually didn't see why I should get the prompt which leads into me saying "it sounds like you're leaving", because he was merely talking about he hoped we would be able to recover the orb. Clearly my character in game is more perceptive than I am. With romanced Lavellan you get the opportunity to go back and ask him again "About us". He tells her she should concentrate on the matter in hand and not emotional entanglements but then when pressed by her definitely says "Afterwards all will be revealed." Naturally she thinks she will get an explanation, not that he will simply go off with the briefest of goodbyes. May be if the orb had not been destroyed, he might have explained, but I doubt it since the last thing he would want is for someone else to try and claim it. The fact is that "all is revealed" to us looking on into the action but never to her.

It is all very well the writer saying that he was intending to tell her the truth; we don't know that in game, she doesn't know that. All we have is him skirting the truth time and again, then outright deception in their last ever speech together before they leave for the final battle.

When I first met Solas I thought he was going to prove my ideal romance but sadly that was not the case and the more I think about it, the further he falls in my estimation. Sorry, Solas fans, but Dorian has supplanted him in my affections.

Edited for clariity: He made the decision regarding their relationship for her without giving her a choice. So you have a Lavellan agonizing over whether A. he leaves her because she kept her vallaslin(which is what happened to mine) or B. Abandoning her after he's like 'haha your culture is stupid', making it incredibly difficult for her to return to her clan. It's shitty. Yes, Dorian and Cullen's relationships - as they stand now - are much healthier because they both are more up-front. I also agree that they are sweet and happy and that's nice. I prefer the Solas romance right now because of the drama, but that may fade once we get a complete story for him. So I'm reserving judgment on what's better until the romance is truly finished. And frankly, I think they are all well written and serve different audiences well.

I wouldn't say he's cruel or some sort of master manipulator. That implies malicious forethought which would be pretty out of character for him. Even without PW telling us why he did what he did and knowing that initially he was going to be upfront, that scene makes me feel bad for him. It's all over his face and in his voice, he's very sad about what he's doing and you can tell it's the furthest thing from what he wants. I have a hard time roleplaying a devastated Lavellan because at the end of the day it's a game and she's not me. For me all that scene did was make me feel pity for Solas and want to help him...which was the point.

[Gervaise]

I don't hate Solas but I just prefer the non romanced play through because I can be more emotionally detached from the whole business.    

 

If the writer's explanation is true, then Solas was going to leave whether the orb was destroyed or not.   He was thinking of giving up his master plan for Lavellan but decided against it and so instead of telling her about himself in the Fade, he told her about the vallaslin instead.

 

I think I'd feel differently about the romance if instead of us having to hear something cryptic, second hand through Cole (after the main game has finished), we had the Inquisitor going back to her quarters after the celebration feast and Solas speaking to her in a dream.    That would have been the explanation I was looking for.   He doesn't reveal who he is or what he is going to do but does at least give some indication why he went.    Not only that but at least she'd know he wasn't coming back and could have some kind of closure.    

 

I'm actually intrigued where this is all going to lead and feel more comfortable now I have abandoned my romanced Lavellan as my canon play through because it was all going to be just too painful  next time round if Solas is in opposition, even if it is with us playing a wholly new character.   Actually I'd prefer an expansion with Solas in it rather than a totally new game because we'd probably get it that much sooner and  I like my male Lavellan and would like to  do another story with him and Dorian, plus any other characters that could be carried over without seeming too out of place.    

[flabbadence]

Ok so, through the magic of Tumblr, I have stumbled across this article that's a compendium of everything that Tolkien has written about elves and their sex-lives:

 

http://www.ansereg.c...ly_said_abo.htm

 

It's interesting and hilarious, and definitely one of the weirdest thing I've ever seen on the internet

 

Edit: ToP Solas

Spoiler

 

http://shady-brain-f...-the-fandom-yet

[Colonelkillabee]

I think everyone on here agrees that he's a douche. He made the decision regarding their relationship for her without giving her a choice. So you have a Lavellan agonizing over whether A. he leaves her because she kept her vallaslin(which is what happened to mine) or B. Abandoning her after he's like 'haha your culture is stupid', making it incredibly difficult for her to return to her clan.  It's shitty.  Yes, Dorian and Cullen's relationships - as they stand now - are much healthier because they both are more up-front. I also agree that they are sweet and happy and that's nice.  I prefer the Solas romance right now because of the drama, but that may fade once we get a complete story for him. So I'm reserving judgment on what's better until the romance is truly finished. And frankly, I think they are all well written and serve different audiences well. 

 

I wouldn't say he's cruel or some sort of master manipulator. That implies malicious forethought which would be pretty out of character for him.  Even without PW telling us why he did what he did and knowing that initially he was going to be upfront, that scene makes me feel incredibly bad for his character.  It's all over his face and in his voice, he's incredibly sad about what he's doing and you can tell it's the furthest thing from what he wants.  I have a hard time roleplaying a devastated Lavellan because at the end of the day it's a game and she's not me.  For me all that scene did was make me feel really sad for Solas and want to help him...which was the point.

 

 

Yes, like I said so many times, Solas just doesn't get people... I really doubt he fully comprehended the repercussions of his actions for Lavellan. That doesn't make him manipulative or cruel, but he's certainly naive and a bit ignorant. And an idiot, lol. Yea I said it. Solas is an idiot.

 

No one's perfect though. And a lot of guys are idiots. Blackwall. Love you man, but you are an idiot.

[almasy87]

Ok so, through the magic of Tumblr, I have stumbled across this article that's a compendium of everything that Tolkien has written about elves and their sex-lives:

 

http://www.ansereg.c...ly_said_abo.htm

 

It's interesting and hilarious, and definitely one of the weirdest thing I've ever seen on the internet

 

O.o where did people get this from? XD

[flabbadence]

O.o where did people get this from? XD

 

According to the author, "I collected these originally as a fic-writing reference. "

 

Basically, for art! For science!

[DarthEmpress]

I keep remembering how Solas says "it isn't right" and "it could lead to trouble" when talking about being with Lavellan... and it kind of upsets me because she never gets the chance to ask him WHAT he is talking about.  Like, is she so comatose over his kisses and fade-tongue that she can't comprehend his cryptic words???  I still kind of wonder what he means by those two lines, like I'm guessing it's about him and how it's not right because he's a god and she's mortal... and it's trouble because he's got plans and she can't be his distraction.  I think???

 

But yeah whenever I watch their first kiss scene and I look at Solas I just think "the thirst is real" lol :3

 

[laurelinvanyar]

I think everyone on here agrees that he's a douche. He made the decision regarding their relationship for her without giving her a choice. So you have a Lavellan agonizing over whether A. he leaves her because she kept her vallaslin(which is what happened to mine) or B. Abandoning her after he's like 'haha your culture is stupid', making it incredibly difficult for her to return to her clan.  It's shitty.  Yes, Dorian and Cullen's relationships - as they stand now - are much healthier because they both are more up-front. I also agree that they are sweet and happy and that's nice.  I prefer the Solas romance right now because of the drama, but that may fade once we get a complete story for him. So I'm reserving judgment on what's better until the romance is truly finished. And frankly, I think they are all well written and serve different audiences well. 

Do yourself a favor, ok? Please try not to speak for people other than yourself? I tend to see that scene differently than you do, and I would prefer you not represent my feelings on the subject

[flabbadence]

I think I'm going to stop complaining about the thread being slow from now on

[Colonelkillabee]

Do yourself a favor, ok? Please try not to speak for people other than yourself? I tend to see that scene differently than you do, and I would prefer you not represent my feelings on the subject

Slow down there skeeter, no need to take such offense, even if you don't agree.

 

Though I am interested to hear how you interpreted it if you're willing to have the opinion challenged by others who disagree. Respectfully.

[jellobell]

I keep remembering how Solas says "it isn't right" and "it could lead to trouble" when talking about being with Lavellan... and it kind of upsets me because she never gets the chance to ask him WHAT he is talking about.  Like, is she so comatose over his kisses and fade-tongue that she can't comprehend his cryptic words???  I still kind of wonder what he means by those two lines, like I'm guessing it's about him and how it's not right because he's a god and she's mortal... and it's trouble because he's got plans and she can't be his distraction.  I think???

I think he's probably talking about the fact that he's had to conceal some rather important information from her, which is of more immediate concern than any supposed god/mortal angst, especially since what exactly the elven "gods" even are is a matter of debate. So "it isn't right" is basically, "it isn't right for us to be in a relationship if I'm not able to tell you everything you deserve to know about me". I think he reconciles it with himself just before the second kiss by deciding that he's going to tell her eventually. Of course, then comes the temple of mythal and things go all screwy.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

I don't like it  *hides in a corner of the blanket fort*

 

My Lavellan isn't angry...she's really, really worried.  Solas didn't even blink about Corypheus, but she noticed right away (as I did, first play through) that he obsessed about the "artifact."  When he fell apart at the end she was like "Wait a tick...he's more afraid of the broken ball than Corypheus..." and now she's getting ulcers thinking about what could possibly be worse than Cory.  She doesn't have a clue about the whole Dread Wolf thing, although she caught on pretty quick to the ancient elf idea (I read Masked Empire...fool me once, etc).   

Yeah, I think it's easy to villainize the people who break up with you, but that's ultimately a dehumanizing act. Yes, he did go from 0 to 90 mph out of the relationship in 3 seconds, but we don't know what's going on. Our character is out of the loop. And to a large extent, so are we. We can state with absolutely ZERO certainty what he plans to do next. For all we know, keeping her out of the loop and away from him (and thereby his enemies) might be keeping her alive. Yes, he should have been open, but that's the choice he made. Hopefully, Patrick Weekes gives us a satisfactory answer. "She just couldn't handle the truth" is, like Colonelkillabee stated, super patronizing and flat out stupid. I don't think that's what went down.

As for my Lavellan, she was initially upset about the relationship ending. But she chose to move on. She's got **** to do! She's aware of her own strength, power, charm, and charisma. If we know anything about Solas it is that he always pushes and pulls away, only to come right back. It's not "if", it's "when". Whether or not my Lavellan accepts him back is entirely up to her. Right now she'd like him back, but I don't know who she'll grow into being in the future. I'll need more game to figure that out!

 

Also, Solas isn't the only man who has ever loved Lavellan or the only man who will ever love her. I refuse to accept that there's only one man who can make her happy. That's frighteningly dependent and needlessly fatalistic. It goes into the "I'm going to throw myself off of a cliff on the Washington Coast because my depression and desire to die without my love interest is so overwhelming. Also, I know that he'll see me do it. And I want to hurt him by hurting myself. Maybe if I hurt myself enough he'll come back." That's... super effed up, Bella - I mean Lavellan.

 

Once he leaves, I think she goes from a little wounded to worried. Yes, being broken up with hurts, but he was also her friend. I don't think that aspect of their relationship ended (I ****ing hate how bitter or broken are the only options for Lavellan in the post-break up party banters). She'd rather have helped him than him face this on his own, given Cole's discussion with him once he's gone. But at present, the only thing she can do to help him is to help herself. Fight for the truth. Search out knowledge. Keep the Inquisition in line. Send more Avvar to Tevinter. Stabilize Orlais. Support her clan and befriend elves in alienages. Push for translation of ancient elvhen documents. Invite her people to be part of that translation so they can come to a knowledge of the truth for themselves. Help restore Eluvians and learn what she can from Morrigan. She might even consider a political marriage if she respected the other party enough and was respected in turn. 

 

Wasting away in the tower is not an option. She'll save herself and carve her own path. There are many kinds of happiness. Romantic bliss isn't all there is in life. If that were all she had, I know my Lavellan would be deeply unsatisfied. That simply isn't enough. She needs more to life than romantic love. She needs knowledge, adventure -- purpose. Romance alone doesn't provide that. 

[Addai]

I don't hate Solas but I just prefer the non romanced play through because I can be more emotionally detached from the whole business.

That engagement in what turned out to be a plot-critical arc is what made DAI for me. I was not expecting to like this game as much as I did. *shakes fist at PW*

[laurelinvanyar]

Slow down there skeeter, no need to take such offense, even if you don't agree.

 

Though I am interested to hear how you interpreted it if you're willing to have the opinion challenged by others who disagree. Respectfully.

I don't take offense at people disagreeing with me. I take offense at people stating what "everybody" feels about a subject. 

As for my own interpretation:

PW specifically says in the interview that Solas has no intention of breaking it off at that moment. He brings her there to come clean, and then panics. It's not a happy result for Lavellan, but it's also not a "douche" move for Solas to protect himself from his own feelings. 

 

Sorry if my post came off a bit hostile, I just wanted it to be clear that not everybody feels the same way. 

[BoscoBread]

Do yourself a favor, ok? Please try not to speak for people other than yourself? I tend to see that scene differently than you do, and I would prefer you not represent my feelings on the subject

Alright no.  No need for that tone.  Just say you disagree and feel free to explain why...politely. What you did there, was not polite. I apologize for mis-representing you but I made that statement based on the various posts ahead of me and the other discussions we've had on him. 

 

To reinforce my post - I really enjoy the romance and the character(obviously since I've posted 600 times on this forum) but I'm not going to mince words when it comes to discussing his character flaws.

 

I don't take offense at people disagreeing with me. I take offense at people stating what "everybody" feels about a subject. 

As for my own interpretation:

PW specifically says in the interview that Solas has no intention of breaking it off at that moment. He brings her there to come clean, and then panics. It's not a happy result for Lavellan, but it's also not a "douche" move for Solas to protect himself from his own feelings.

Again, that's exactly what I said in the rest of my post.  What I thought was douchy - and I'll use a different word - what I thought was a bit unkind was that he didn't come clean and took the decision away from Lavellan. That's how I feel?  I can't really stop that.   

[Mims]

You can love a character while still accepting and appreciating the fact that they are flawed. 

 

Some people want to have uncomplicated romances in their games. The book opens, the book closes. That's fine! I don't think anyone should feel like they need to explain why they might not like the romance. But on the other hand, there are plenty of people who like the long term appeal of a romance with a strong narrative. 

 

I don't think it is really a matter of whether Solas was right or not, in regards to the relationship. From a purely pragmatic perspective, he probably shouldn't have gotten involved at all. But life isn't made of pragmatic choices. I can't fault someone for wanting to connect, particularly when that someone is a jaded immortal guy who probably needs to have a bit of grounding in the here and now. 

 

Both Lavellan and Solas are adults. While it might be unfair, he isn't obligated to give a justification for breaking up with her. Same as the Inquisitor isn't asked to explain herself if she breaks up with any of them. I suppose I just can't really get on board with him being directly cruel. It isn't like they were planning on getting married and had five kids. 

 

The issue only occurs if Solas later wants to renew the relationship. That is when failing to disclose information becomes a cruelty. 

[Kryllian]

as a general reply to all the comments being made, I think people are starting to get a little disrespectful of other's opinions.  Its ok to disagree, but please don't make generalizations about what everyone may or may not think.  Not everyone on here hates solas or thinks he's a dick etcetc.  Yes, we are all emotionally effected by the events, and we all are going to handle that differently, and our characters will handle it differently as well.  Many of us have more than one play through that will have different responses to Solas's behavior.  Please remember that this is an appreciation thread, not lets all get angry at our fiction LI for dumping us when none of us know what will actually happen, or even his true motivations on the subject.  Can we return to the respectful enjoyment of the game please?

Love and kisses all around.

[drake2511]

You can love a character while still accepting and appreciating the fact that they are flawed. 

 

Some people want to have uncomplicated romances in their games. The book opens, the book closes. That's fine! I don't think anyone should feel like they need to explain why they might not like the romance. But on the other hand, there are plenty of people who like the long term appeal of a romance with a strong narrative. 

 

I don't think it is really a matter of whether Solas was right or not, in regards to the relationship. From a purely pragmatic perspective, he probably shouldn't have gotten involved at all. But life isn't made of pragmatic choices. I can't fault someone for wanting to connect, particularly when that someone is a jaded immortal guy who probably needs to have a bit of grounding in the here and now. 

 

Both Lavellan and Solas are adults. While it might be unfair, he isn't obligated to give a justification for breaking up with her. Same as the Inquisitor isn't asked to explain herself if she breaks up with any of them. I suppose I just can't really get on board with him being directly cruel. It isn't like they were planning on getting married and had five kids. 

 

The issue only occurs if Solas later wants to renew the relationship. That is when failing to disclose information becomes a cruelty. 

 

Modifié par drake2511, 08 février 2015 - 05:40 .

[Al Foley]

That engagement in what turned out to be a plot-critical arc is what made DAI for me. I was not expecting to like this game as much as I did. *shakes fist at PW*

whats this?  Praise for Inquisition?

[flabbadence]

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Liz, my wonderful majestic artsy goddess, I am out of likes so, *like*