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[laurelinvanyar]

Alright no.  No need for that tone.  Just say you disagree and feel free to explain why...politely. What you did there, was not polite. I apologize for mis-representing you but I made that statement based on the various posts ahead of me and the other discussions we've had on him. 

 

To reinforce my post - I really enjoy the romance and the character(obviously since I've posted 600 times on this forum) but I'm not going to mince words when it comes to discussing his character flaws.

 

Again, that's exactly what I said in the rest of my post.  What I thought was douchy - and I'll use a different word - what I thought was a bit unkind was that he didn't come clean and took the decision away from Lavellan. That's how I feel?  I can't really stop that.   

Sorry, I'm not trying to be hostile. If it came across that way, I apologize for my poor wording. 

 

I just wanted to be clear that not everybody feels the same way. 

[flabbadence]

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And another *like* here

[Siha]

In case it helps I could call all the guys who broke up with me saying "It's not your fault, it's mine, you deserve someone better" and ask hem to shed light the matter?

[flabbadence]

In case it helps I could call all the guys who broke up with me saying "It's not your fault, it's mine, you deserve someone better" and ask hem to shed light the matter?

 

That'll be fun actually, I vote yes

[Mims]

 

[Colonelkillabee]

I don't take offense at people disagreeing with me. I take offense at people stating what "everybody" feels about a subject. 

As for my own interpretation:

PW specifically says in the interview that Solas has no intention of breaking it off at that moment. He brings her there to come clean, and then panics. It's not a happy result for Lavellan, but it's also not a "douche" move for Solas to protect himself from his own feelings. 

 

Sorry if my post came off a bit hostile, I just wanted it to be clear that not everybody feels the same way. 

Obviously she didn't mean literally every last person. Hyperbole. Anyway, so long as people try to keep it chill from here on, it's whatever. Like the Mims said, one can think a character is flawed without hating them, and I do believe Solas is flawed, even with this revelation.

 

Even if it wasn't a douche move, in my opinion it was a weak move. And I do think he was a bit of an idiot to do this at the last second and not think it through even if he did panic. He had plenty of time to think on the way there before sending you packing on the walk of shame.

 

That's just my opinion though. Like I said, I don't hate him. Hell, I didn't even romance him yet. That's just my perspective from the outside looking in and thinking objectively.

[BoscoBread]

Sorry, I'm not trying to be hostile. If it came across that way, I apologize for my poor wording. 

 

I just wanted to be clear that not everybody feels the same way. 

No big.  The internet fails at conveying tone.  Yeah, I think people are misunderstanding me.  I like his character and I pity him...that was the take away from that scene(which is what I said).  I don't think he's an ******* for breaking up with her. It makes sense. I think not telling her was a bit unfair, but it makes sense why.  I've said this countless times on this forum so I'm not going to beat it to death.

[flabbadence]

Obviously she didn't mean literally every last person. Hyperbole. Anyway, so long as people try to keep it chill from here on, it's whatever. Like the Mims said, one can think a character is flawed without hating them, and I do believe Solas is flawed, even with this revelation.

 

Even if it wasn't a douche move, in my opinion it was a weak move. And I do think he was a bit of an idiot to do this at the last second and not think it through even if he did panic. He had plenty of time to think on the way there before sending you packing on the walk of shame.

 

That's just my opinion though. Like I said, I don't hate him. Hell, I didn't even romance him yet. That's just my perspective from the outside looking in and thinking objectively.

 

We appreciate your mediation

[Roxy]

I don't take offense at people disagreeing with me. I take offense at people stating what "everybody" feels about a subject. 

As for my own interpretation:

PW specifically says in the interview that Solas has no intention of breaking it off at that moment. He brings her there to come clean, and then panics. It's not a happy result for Lavellan, but it's also not a "douche" move for Solas to protect himself from his own feelings. 

 

Sorry if my post came off a bit hostile, I just wanted it to be clear that not everybody feels the same way. 

 

I do agree with you in a way and of course everybody has a different opinion about Solas. I Love Solas and I find it Great that he was going to spill his guts out to my Lavellan but then he wimped out. Maybe it was to protect her maybe it's because he's afraid Lavellan would reject him if he told her who he was...maybe a bit of both but I do find him breaking up with her as very cowardice. I still am optimistic though that we will get a chance to reunite our Lavellan with Solas.  

 

 

EDIT: Everybody in this thread loves Solas but he's got his flaws just like everybody else lol

Modifié par Roxy, 08 février 2015 - 05:52 .

[tsunamitigerdragon]

Liz, my wonderful majestic artsy goddess, I am out of likes so, *like*

 

 

Seriously guys, let's put down our Dido White Flags and Shake things the hell OFF. 

[legbamel]

Not sure if these were posted before, but I just saw these Woodland Realm inspired attire designs on Tumblr and I'm so in love with them! Definitely would've loved to see Lavellan wear these to Halamshiral. TT__TT

 

Source: http://thranduilfanf...-earthy-warrior

 

Some of my favorite dresses:

 

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^^^ Edit: Wow! Okay, this one was worn by Famke Janssen in Hansel & Gretel.

[MAJOR snippage all over the place]

 

And the boots!

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First, I would rock that dress every day and twice on Sundays and I don't even like dresses.

Second, can you actually wear those boots or are they purely decorative.  I'd be terrified to stand up on those tiny heels.  That said, boots I do like and if there were a flat pair I'd wear them with that dress. 

[laurelinvanyar]

Obviously she didn't mean literally every last person. Hyperbole. Anyway, so long as people try to keep it chill from here on, it's whatever. Like the Mims said, one can think a character is flawed without hating them, and I do believe Solas is flawed, even with this revelation.

 

Even if it wasn't a douche move, in my opinion it was a weak move. And I do think he was a bit of an idiot to do this at the last second and not think it through even if he did panic. He had plenty of time to think on the way there before sending you packing on the walk of shame.

 

That's just my opinion though. Like I said, I don't hate him. Hell, I didn't even romance him yet. That's just my perspective from the outside looking in and thinking objectively.

Solas absolutely is flawed, which is part of what makes him so compelling as a character

 

I regret even posting now. Text communication is hard on such an emotionally-fraught subject. 

[hellozombie]

I think everyone on here agrees that he's a douche. He made the decision regarding their relationship for her without giving her a choice. So you have a Lavellan agonizing over whether A. he leaves her because she kept her vallaslin(which is what happened to mine) or B. Abandoning her after he's like 'haha your culture is stupid', making it incredibly difficult for her to return to her clan.  It's shitty.  Yes, Dorian and Cullen's relationships - as they stand now - are much healthier because they both are more up-front. I also agree that they are sweet and happy and that's nice.  I prefer the Solas romance right now because of the drama, but that may fade once we get a complete story for him. So I'm reserving judgment on what's better until the romance is truly finished. And frankly, I think they are all well written and serve different audiences well. 

 

I wouldn't say he's cruel or some sort of master manipulator. That implies malicious forethought which would be pretty out of character for him.  Even without PW telling us why he did what he did and knowing that initially he was going to be upfront, that scene makes me feel bad for him.  It's all over his face and in his voice, he's very sad about what he's doing and you can tell it's the furthest thing from what he wants.  I have a hard time roleplaying a devastated Lavellan because at the end of the day it's a game and she's not me.  For me all that scene did was make me feel pity for Solas and want to help him...which was the point.

 

Yeah...probs shouldn't make such sweeping generalizations? Definitely don't agree with you here at all. If Solas is a douche that means I am a douche, and probably a ton of us here, and I don't think that's true. I mean, have you seriously never had a bad breakup in your entire life? I mean, hey, good for you if you haven't, but it doesn't make someone a bad person for sucking at relationships. I suck at them super hard. Solas is flawed, just like any of the other characters, or anyone irl...he does stupid things and he does those stupid things because he thinks they're the right thing to do but really they are the absolute wrong thing to do. The breakup is a perfect example of this...he loves Lavellan but like a true commitment-phobe, he freaks out at the last minute and instead of taking the leap and committing to her, he leaves her and goes back to what is safe and familiar--his solitary mission, on which he has spent thousands of years. 

 

The right thing to do would be to tell her the truth, and take her with him on his mission because they're a team. But out of fear, anxiety, and certainly not the least in an effort to keep Lavellan safe, he decides that the right thing to do is to let her go, even if he still loves her deeply. It's the classic "It's not you, it's me" thing, where the person actually believes that the person they love would be better off without them. From the beginning Solas believes Lavellan would be better off with out him (It would be kinder in the long run) and when he breaks up with her, he still believes that. Commitment freaks me out, and I've ended relationships and even an engagement because I knew I couldn't spend the rest of my life with this one person...and also because I didn't think that I was the right person for my partner. Did I always end those relationships perfectly? Helllls no. I certainly tried, I think most people are always trying to cause the least hurt when you have to end something, but no matter what it usually doesn't go well and hurt is going to happen.

 

Look, it sucks extra bad for those of you roleplay your Lavellans as devastated and heartbroken by the ending of the relationship, and I feel ya, that just, huuuurts. But I played my Lavellan like myself, a bit of a spitfire, and the hurt she was feeling was quickly supplanted by RIGHTEOUS FURY. I've said it before and I'll say it again, she's already channeling that fury and hurt into working on finding Solas and getting her damn answers, followed by an abundance of ANGRY MAKE-UP SEXYTIMES. Maybe that makes my Lavellan a little selfish for not honoring Solas' wishes, but whatever, that just means she's flawed too, so CONSEQUENCES BE DAMNED SEXYTIMES GOOOOOO! YEA VERILY

[Uirebhiril]

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Yeah, I think it's easy to villainize the people who break up with you, but that's ultimately a dehumanizing act. Yes, he did go from 0 to 90 mph out of the relationship in 3 seconds, but we don't know what's going on. Our character is out of the loop. And to a large extent, so are we. We can state with absolutely ZERO certainty what he plans to do next. For all we know, keeping her out of the loop and away from him (and thereby his enemies) might be keeping her alive. Yes, he should have been open, but that's the choice he made. Hopefully, Patrick Weekes gives us a satisfactory answer. "She just couldn't handle the truth" is, like Colonelkillabee stated, super patronizing and flat out stupid. I don't think that's what went down.

As for my Lavellan, she was initially upset about the relationship ending. But she chose to move on. She's got **** to do! She's aware of her own strength, power, charm, and charisma. If we know anything about Solas it is that he always pushes and pulls away, only to come right back. It's not "if", it's "when". Whether or not my Lavellan accepts him back is entirely up to her. Right now she'd like him back, but I don't know who she'll grow into being in the future. I'll need more game to figure that out!

 

Also, Solas isn't the only man who has ever loved Lavellan or the only man who will ever love her. I refuse to accept that there's only one man who can make her happy. That's frighteningly dependent and needlessly fatalistic. It goes into the "I'm going to throw myself off of a cliff on the Washington Coast because my depression and desire to die without my love interest is so overwhelming. Also, I know that he'll see me do it. And I want to hurt him by hurting myself. Maybe if I hurt myself enough he'll come back." That's... super effed up, Bella - I mean Lavellan.

 

Once he leaves, I think she goes from a little wounded to worried. Yes, being broken up with hurts, but he was also her friend. I don't think that aspect of their relationship ended (I ****ing hate how bitter or broken are the only options for Lavellan in the post-break up party banters). She'd rather have helped him than him face this on his own, given Cole's discussion with him once he's gone. But at present, the only thing she can do to help him is to help herself. Fight for the truth. Search out knowledge. Keep the Inquisition in line. Send more Avvar to Tevinter. Stabilize Orlais. Support her clan and befriend elves in alienages. Push for translation of ancient elvhen documents. Invite her people to be part of that translation so they can come to a knowledge of the truth for themselves. Help restore Eluvians and learn what she can from Morrigan. She might even consider a political marriage if she respected the other party enough and was respected in turn. 

 

Wasting away in the tower is not an option. She'll save herself and carve her own path. There are many kinds of happiness. Romantic bliss isn't all there is in life. If that were all she had, I know my Lavellan would be deeply unsatisfied. That simply isn't enough. She needs more to life than romantic love. She needs knowledge, adventure -- purpose. Romance alone doesn't provide that. 

 

I love you.

[flabbadence]

Alright everybody. Just, get it out of your systems

[Avejajed]

So I'm trying to complete as much as I can (completionist) before I take Lavellan to the Arbor Wilds and let me just say finding shards was a pain in the ass. However, I really liked the temple design.

I feel like I just keep putting the inevitable off.

Q: is there ever an end to the requesitions? I keep doing them and more show up. Its messing with my head

[Mariposa Diurna]

Thinking of the Lavellan Solas relationship (and obviously I liked it, wouldn't be here otherwise)...always gives me the feeling that it's not a balanced relationship at all. One might argue that it's not much of a relationship since they don't really do much but with everything going on, one can hardly expect to go gallivanting through lavendar fields.

 

Throughout their moments, Solas is always the one who holds most of the cards. When they first meet, he obviously knows a lot about her but she knows nothing of him but, unlike with many other companions, that doesn't really change all that much. Lavellan only knows of Solas what he has allowed her to know. If only his words painted images as clear as his murals! From the very beginning, he's been keeping his guard up, which is fine in itself and not something that he should be chided for. He's also not the only romance option who isn't exactly forthcoming with the truth. But he's clearly the one in control, the one who holds all the knowledge. He knew from the beginning that it couldn't really happen and, despite his deep affection for Lavellan, he couldn't bring himself to break with his plans. I believe he found all of this painful, I believe there was a deep internal struggle and I ultimately believe that he had no choice but to leave if he wanted to stay true to himself. But I also believe that Solas was quite selfish. He didn't consider what taking the Vallaslin would mean to her after he left. She'd be the only Dalish with her markings removed, with no real explanation beyond "well someone told me they're slave marks". He branded her as an outsider, which might not have crossed his mind because he's been an outsider himself for so long.

 

It's what you'd expect from an Ancient elvhen god who falls in love with a mortal Dalish I guess. From his perspective, Lavellan is unique, intriguing, wonderful...and a thread to age old plans towards which he feels honor-bound. But she's also like a child walking on tippy-toes and as such, an ancient God cannot hope she'll understand him. Sad. ;_;

[flabbadence]

So I'm trying to complete as much as I can (completionist) before I take Lavellan to the Arbor Wilds and let me just say finding shards was a pain in the ass. However, I really liked the temple design.

I feel like I just keep putting the inevitable off.

Q: is there ever an end to the requesitions? I keep doing them and more show up. Its messing with my head

 

No they never end. You'd think the geological society could send their own collectors after your initial samples, but no. NO.

[scintilla]

Even if it wasn't a douche move, in my opinion it was a weak move. And I do think he was a bit of an idiot to do this at the last second and not think it through even if he did panic. He had plenty of time to think on the way there before sending you packing on the walk of shame.

 

He doesn't change his mind on the way there. He was still going to tell her the truth right until... well, the moment of truth. Getting involved with Lavellan at all was a weak move. Solas is occasionally weak. He wants and maybe even needs things that he shouldn't have if he pursues his goals. He didn't really do right by Lavellan with the break up but I wouldn't call him a douche for it. He made poor decisions and hurt them both, like a real person might.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

Alright everybody. Just, get it out of your systems

Spoiler

 

Guys, let's not go down that path. We've got this.

[Siha]

Seriously guys, let's put down our Dido White Flags and Shake things the hell OFF. 

 

Oh no, really? I might take another iteration of that cycle. My brain is not complete mush yet.

 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Meer]

Can't we all just hug and bask in the light that is the in-progress DLC? 

[Avejajed]

...I take it I missed something.

[BoscoBread]

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Le sigh.  Bowing out.  I didin't...whatever wrong words were used and that's not what I meant and I was responding to the posts ahead of me.