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[flabbadence]

Thinking of the Lavellan Solas relationship (and obviously I liked it, wouldn't be here otherwise)...always gives me the feeling that it's not a balanced relationship at all. One might argue that it's not much of a relationship since they don't really do much but with everything going on, one can hardly expect to go gallivanting through lavendar fields.

 

Throughout their moments, Solas is always the one who holds most of the cards. When they first meet, he obviously knows a lot about her but she knows nothing of him but, unlike with many other companions, that doesn't really change all that much. Lavellan only knows of Solas what he has allowed her to know. If only his words painted images as clear as his murals! From the very beginning, he's been keeping his guard up, which is fine in itself and not something that he should be chided for. He's also not the only romance option who isn't exactly forthcoming with the truth. But he's clearly the one in control, the one who holds all the knowledge. He knew from the beginning that it couldn't really happen and, despite his deep affection for Lavellan, he couldn't bring himself to break with his plans. I believe he found all of this painful, I believe there was a deep internal struggle and I ultimately believe that he had no choice but to leave if he wanted to stay true to himself. But I also believe that Solas was quite selfish. He didn't consider what taking the Vallaslin would mean to her after he left. She'd be the only Dalish with her markings removed, with no real explanation beyond "well someone told me they're slave marks". He branded her as an outsider, which might not have crossed his mind because he's been an outsider himself for so long.

 

It's what you'd expect from an Ancient elvhen god who falls in love with a mortal Dalish I guess. From his perspective, Lavellan is unique, intriguing, wonderful...and a thread to age old plans towards which he feels honor-bound. But she's also like a child walking on tippy-toes and as such, an ancient God cannot hope she'll understand him. Sad. ;_;

 

I'm pretty sure Solas doesn't know anything about Lavellan aside from that she's Dalish and she has the mark at first. But yes, he does get to know more about her than she ever does him. I don't think we can fault Solas for the vallaslin though. It's Lavellan's choice whether or not she wants it removed. As to your last point about immortals believing a mortal will never be able to understand them... I think we'll have to wait for the DLC for that.

[Mims]

 It's the classic "It's not you, it's me" thing, where the person actually believes that the person they love would be better off without them. 

 

 And to be fair to Solas, there's every likelihood that he's actually right. It isn't like Solas is hiding some sort of run of the mill dark secret here. 

 

Which is not to say that he thinks Lavellan weak and incapable of helping him. I don't think he has an exit strategy for this undertaking of his. In his mind, it is better that Lavellan be angry with him rather than dragging her down with him. 

 

Because we're the main characters in a video game, I think we compulsively want to go- 'but wait! We can defeat all the evils!' And chances are, we probably will. But from a lore perspective, there's no assurance of that. Solas doesn't want to wish his fate on his worst enemy. Why would he want his lover on board? Not to mention, Solas has about a batting average of zero when it comes to his plans working out. 

 

He's being melodramatic as hell, of course. But he isn't exactly wrong either.

[Addai]

It's what you'd expect from an Ancient elvhen god who falls in love with a mortal Dalish I guess. From his perspective, Lavellan is unique, intriguing, wonderful...and a thread to age old plans towards which he feels honor-bound. But she's also like a child walking on tippy-toes and as such, an ancient God cannot hope she'll understand him. Sad. ;_;

He believes that she won't, which is part of the tragedy since he doesn't even give her a chance. Not only because he underestimates her, maybe not even primarily because of that, but because of his own fear of betrayal.

The tragedy of Solavellan is also on the flip side, though- that Solas thought he had a chance to avert his worst fear and still make the world better for everyone, only to find himself repeating history and once again bound to a lonely path. I mean, in his tarot, that wolf is looming over him, not just the landscape.

[Ajna]

Solas doesn't see himself as a god, and I also don't think he see's Lavellan as a child either...

 

I just needed to say that.

[Mariposa Diurna]

He knows a lot about the history of her people including stuff Lavellan doesn't know herself, he knows that she has the mark, he probably is as intimately acquainted with its magic as anyone can be considering he tended to her when she was unconcious, he knows she survived the conclave...you're right he couldn't write her biography but he's always at least two steps ahead of her.

[drake2511]

...I take it I missed something.

 

Here, dear. For ya.

[Yaslana]

You can love a character while still accepting and appreciating the fact that they are flawed. 

 

Some people want to have uncomplicated romances in their games. The book opens, the book closes. That's fine! I don't think anyone should feel like they need to explain why they might not like the romance. But on the other hand, there are plenty of people who like the long term appeal of a romance with a strong narrative. 

 

I don't think it is really a matter of whether Solas was right or not, in regards to the relationship. From a purely pragmatic perspective, he probably shouldn't have gotten involved at all. But life isn't made of pragmatic choices. I can't fault someone for wanting to connect, particularly when that someone is a jaded immortal guy who probably needs to have a bit of grounding in the here and now. 

 

Both Lavellan and Solas are adults. While it might be unfair, he isn't obligated to give a justification for breaking up with her. Same as the Inquisitor isn't asked to explain herself if she breaks up with any of them. I suppose I just can't really get on board with him being directly cruel. It isn't like they were planning on getting married and had five kids. 

 

The issue only occurs if Solas later wants to renew the relationship. That is when failing to disclose information becomes a cruelty. 

 

 

THIS!

[RebbyWriter]

I just came into this thread to see some Solas arts and laugh with you guys.

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I usually have days where I can take it but today is not one of those days. Will come back later.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Mariposa Diurna]

He believes that she won't, which is part of the tragedy since he doesn't even give her a chance. Not only because he underestimates her, maybe not even primarily because of that, but because of his own fear of betrayal.

The tragedy of Solavellan is also on the flip side, though- that Solas thought he had a chance to avert his worst fear and still make the world better for everyone, only to find himself repeating history and once again bound to a lonely path. I mean, in his tarot, that wolf is looming over him, not just the landscape.

 

Yeah. ;_; I think his is also a self-fulfilling prophecy, the dread wolf who roams the world alone thinks it's impossible for someone to walk alongside with him on that lonely path and so he's bound to stay alone.

 

 

Solas doesn't see himself as a god, and I also don't think he see's Lavellan as a child either...

 

I just needed to say that.

I was being metaphorical. She's not really a child per se, but the age difference is immense and the difference in perspective must be enormous. Uh, I'll probably take this as sign to be a little more quiet for a while. I wouldn't want to cause misunderstandings again. Not that I mind more hilarious gifs.

[flabbadence]

I just came into this thread to see some Solas arts and laugh with you guys.

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I usually have days where I can take it but today is not one of those days. Will come back later.

 

Yeah I should probably turn in for the night too.

 

Godspeed peeps. Here's some food for thought from Tumblr to tide you over:

 

but seriously, if you switch the first letters out of fen’harel you get an AU where the great and terrifying rebel god Hen’Farel locked the gods away 

an AU where the Dalish fear yet revere the Great Dread Rooster

an AU where the woods are filled with giant weird ass chicken statues 

where Solas was literally Cocky when he was younger

an AU where the Concept art!Solas was either bald or with a ginger mohawk and canon!Solas actually has dreads as to not allude to his younger self’s identity

http://d0xy.tumblr.c...rst-letters-out

[Colonelkillabee]

He doesn't change his mind on the way there. He was still going to tell her the truth right until... well, the moment of truth.

I know, which like I said was weak.

 

I do get that people are weak at times and that people make mistakes. People can be idiots. I certainly am no different.

 

But it is all of those things. Most people get that, not everyone does. Which is fine, because opinions opinions.

 

There's really no reason for anyone to get so worked up on how others see a character that quite frankly, none of us really know about. Not directed to you, or anyone in particular.

[Mims]

I don't actually think things are being uncivil, hehe. For the record, it is an interesting thing to discuss. 

 

That or I am used to a lot worse forum spats.

[laurelinvanyar]

I know, which like I said was weak.

 

I do get that people are weak at times and that people make mistakes. People can be idiots. I certainly am no different.

 

But it is all of those things. Most people get that, not everyone does. Which is fine, because opinions opinions.

 

There's really no reason for anyone to get so worked up on how others see a character that quite frankly, none of us really know about. Not directed to you, or anyone in particular.

It's a very emotionally charged and very personal scene. Credit to Patrick Weekes, who mananged to write such a compelling storyline but leave it up to so many different opinions and interpretations. Dude deserves a raise. 

[Colonelkillabee]

I don't actually think things are being uncivil, hehe. For the record, it is an interesting thing to discuss. 

 

That or I am used to a lot worse forum spats.

Lol for this thread I guess it is. I was too but I started picking up on stuff the longer I've been here to tell when people aren't happy go lucky sunshine like it is 95 percent of the time here. Which is fine, a little bit of debate never hurt anyone. I like it.

[almasy87]

I think we were having a nice conversation tbh

But anyway.. Have this for the laughs to bring the moral back up



Apologies in advance to those who are against the egg joke  
I just love with chocolate, that is all!

[KarateKats]

Thermonuclear thread meltdown over whether or not the breaking up with Lavellan was a dick move.

I don't think it was a GOOD move, but dick move requires us knowing more about what's actually going on. Hell, our Lavellans don't even know he's the Dread Wolf yet! There's so much up in the air that condemning him feels pretty premature. 

I bring a frilly cake peace offering for the thread.

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Adding my own peace offering of a Solas kissy gif.

 

 

Edit: FIXINGNOSECLIPPINGOHGOD

[Avejajed]

Here, dear. For ya.

I just wanted to talk about these stupid requesitions and how I'm way too ocd to let unfinished quests go in my journal. Nooooo.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[scintilla]

I do get that people are weak at times and that people make mistakes. People can be idiots. I certainly am no different.

 

I'm mostly disagreeing with 'idiot' and 'douche.' Saying he should have planned for an unexpected emotional response/change in plans is a little unfair to him, I think.

 

I don't actually think things are being uncivil, hehe. For the record, it is an interesting thing to discuss. 

 

That or I am used to a lot worse forum spats.

 

I don't things were that uncivil either. As far as disagreements go, this was downright nice.

 

I was being metaphorical. She's not really a child per se, but the age difference is immense and the difference in perspective must be enormous. Uh, I'll probably take this as sign to be a little more quiet for a while. I wouldn't want to cause misunderstandings again. Not that I mind more hilarious gifs.

 

You're okay! Misunderstandings and disagreements are fine as long as people are respectful. It's bound to happen with so many different people gathering in one place.

[CapricornSun]

Adding my own peace offering of a Solas kissy gif.

 

 

Bless you for this. 

[almasy87]

I just wanted to talk about these stupid requesitions and how I'm way too ocd to let unfinished quests go in my journal. Nooooo.

 

Do they ever end? or you can just repeat them forever?
I never found out, got bored of doing them at some point..

[Meer]

I just wanted to talk about these stupid requesitions and how I'm way too ocd to let unfinished quests go in my journal. Nooooo.

The only recourse is to stop talking to the requisition's officer after you've completed the initial few fills. It's difficult, because the quest marker never goes away. But I ended up filling the same one over and over and over and over before I realized it was a repeatable.  The Inquisition got every last scrap of my Blue Vitriol.

[laurelinvanyar]

So...I've thought myself in circles as to WHAT Solas plans to do next. 

 

Has anyone given thought to WHERE he is going next? All we know is that he's headed west. Looking at the map of thedas, there isn't really much directly west of the frostbacks beyond the Dales or the Tirshan Forest that I can see him having an interest in. (Unless he wants to stop by Val Royeaux for a box of frilly cakes first?)

[Mims]

Has anyone given thought to WHERE he is going next? All we know is that he's headed west. 

 

I'm guessing the Architect is throwing a sweet party and only the coolest folks got invited. 

 

We're not invited.