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[jellobell]

I actually love Sera quite a bit. For such a gregarious character, she's rather difficult to understand, especially if you're a Lavellan. She's a good foil for Solas because in many ways they are very similar. She cares about individuals rather than big organizations, and fights on the behalf of those who are so often used and then discarded by the powerful. However where Solas is jaded and cynical, and has been around long enough to have his idealism beaten out of him, Sera is still very determined to see the world in terms of the way she thinks it ought to be.

 

Sera's also rather defensive-minded. What she wants most is a place to belong, after being rejected for being an elf, for not being elfy enough, for being poor, for being a nobody, etc. She figures she'd rather be a nobody along with all the other nobodies than try (and probably fail) at being an elf. So when Solas tries to reach out to her with elfy stuff, that gets her hackles up immediately, because she figures that she is being evaluated and is (once again) found wanting.

 

Now, from Solas's perspective, he sees Sera as an elf who has been victimized by the elves' assimilation into human society, so he at first tries to offer her some of her culture back (her language). Then, when that does not work, and he sees that she's just going to keep being aggressive and rude, he responds by sparring with her in kind, because that's what she responds to best. I quite like their relationship. While they're quite snippy with each other, they actually get along pretty well. Not as well as, say, Sera and Blackwall, but I definitely got the sense that they'd come to an odd sort of understanding by the time Solas was trolling her as payback for filling his bedroll with lizards.

 

I really wish we got to see this conversation as an elf, but if you aren't a Lavellan and you have high enough approval with Solas then you can ask him about Sera.

 

Spoiler

 

Turns out he understands her quite well, which I thought was very sweet. He also sees what's admirable about her, which is more of a chance than a lot of people give Sera. I believe in a different version of the conversation Solas says that he clashes with Sera because she'd take it better than either his pity or his envy. And I've got to agree. 

[Vorathrad]

I figured that the ritual was building up the power around the orb for whatever Coryfish was trying to do a bit like static electricity and when the Inquisitor picked it up it grounded itself through them. It was that unintended discharge that caused the explosion and the breach rather than it being the intended result of Coryfish's ritual.

 

Which does rather make it all the Inquisitor's fault

 

"What's going on here?"

 

 

Quizzyfail 

[Illyria]

Heh, I usually forget my rogues have bombs anyway.

 

Not just rogues!  Bees for everyone!

[Ajna]

I figured that the ritual was building up the power around the orb for whatever Coryfish was trying to do a bit like static electricity and when the Inquisitor picked it up it grounded itself through them. It was that unintended discharge that caused the explosion and the breach rather than it being the intended result of Coryfish's ritual.

 

Which does rather make it all the Inquisitor's fault

 

Actually it was Justinia's fault

[Illyria]

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Solas' response to Lavellan saying she hopes he can one day see past the vallaslin is just wonderful.  I'm not the kind of person who romances a character and agrees with everything they do (which is why rival!Merrill and pro-mage friendship!Fenris are two of my favourite romances) so being able to stick to my beliefs and have the game make me feel like I made the right choice is just wonderful.

 

The Sera/Lavellan problems are always going to bother me.  She was the romance I was most looking forward to (with Solas in a close second) and I ended up not being able to romance her because I couldn't think of a single reason why my Dalish, pro mage apostate would be interested in her.

 

I do love the 'drop 'em for the empire' dialogue.  My reaction to that was burst out laughing so I was so glad that could be my Lavellan's response too.

[Illyria]

@ Vorathrad: Yay! Thank you!

Also, that's a really interesting observasion of Solas and Sera's shared attitude (and closet self-hatred) regarding the Dalish. I hadn't thought of it that way before, but I am now.

@ Illyria: I used to be the kind of person who agreed with romanced companions on everything, but in the long run it always bothered me because I wondered if the character liked my protagonist for who she was, or the "perfect girl" I constructed who always said the right thing at the right time (usually thanks to the power of save-and-reload-spamming.) The Solavellan romance was the first time I decided not to do it, so I was really nervous that he would fall out of love with her if she did things he disapproved of too often, or she would say something that would make him break up with her. It made it that much more heartwarming and meaningful when she (and I) took a chance on taking a stand on her beliefs, and he still loved her despite their differences.

(Not a fan of Rivalmanced Merrill though, as I find the means to obtain it emotionally abusive.)

On Lavellan/Sera disappointments, same here. That was also the pairing I was looking forward to most (with Solas a close second), so I guess that's yet another reason I'm taking her anti-elf attitude toward Lavellan so personally.

I do like her "drop 'em and rebuild the empire" party banter too, though my Lavellan reacted angrily. Yeah, it's better to laugh about it (gives both the Quizzy and Solas the satisfaction of annoying Sera since she knows her trolling didn't get to them), but it seemed more in-character. The banter activated near the end of the game (I was becoming afraid it'd never activate), so by then my Lavellan's patience for Sera's disdainful attitude towards elves was worn thin.

 

I've never really understood the view that rivalmanced Merrill is emotionally abusive.  But then, I'm generally pretty nice to her and use destroying the tomes to get ton of rivalry (I think it's 10 per tome).  I see it as Hawke trying to get the woman she loves to stop going down such a dark and dangerous path and being unable to help her.

 

Once you've romanced Fenris as a pro-mage apostate on the friendship path you stop being worried that every little disagreement will cause them to break up.

[Avejajed]

Someone out there thinks every relationship is abusive. Literally ppl think Alistair Cousland relationship is abusive. I've seen the tumblr.

[legbamel]

Do you guys think Solas would teach Lavellan about the Fade--not just general knowledge but navigating and remembering dreams.

ETA that you could play Couseland as a grabby little social climber determined to pit Alistair on the throne so she could rule but that's a ways oit from abusive. I suppse you could be mean and then gift spam him.

[Colonelkillabee]

I'm not surprised it's on tumblr, lol. Breeding ground for morons that make fads out of being offended by something.

[Colonelkillabee]

Do you guys think Solas would teach Lavellan about the Fade--not just general knowledge but navigating and remembering dreams.

He told you that you need to travel Thedas to discover new locations of it. I get the feeling he would indeed give more info if asked.

[Illyria]

Someone out there thinks every relationship is abusive. Literally ppl think Alistair Cousland relationship is abusive. I've seen the tumblr.

 

What?

 

How? That's actually the most equal pairing there is for Alistair. I could understand why someone would find Alistair/Elf abusive (I don't agree, but I can see why).

 

*dramatically throws papers in the air*
 

[Avejajed]

Not just rogues!  Bees for everyone!

I don't even know, honestly, what I would have done without jar of bees in my first dragon fight.

[Janic99]

We neeeeeeeed to get the 3000 pages!! * Still screaming * 

[Colonelkillabee]

I don't even know, honestly, what I would have done without jar of bees in my first dragon fight.

Antivan firebomb. Unless it was the frostback. Which was your first? Mine was the lightning one in Crestwood.

[Addai]

I get that Sera is damaged, has acceptance issues, etc., all that- but child in a woman's body is not a trope I respond well to. Sera also shows no sign of growing up. I'm not going to mommy her, especially when she's not just a little kid but a bratty one and one who can't even be respectful to someone who's trying to help and befriend her. I liked her for the color commentary for my first playthrough but that's about all I can stomach.

And yeah, Merrill struck some of the same bad chords. Why Bioware seems to like dippy, maladjusted elven females, I don't know. Where is our Isseya companion.

[Avejajed]

Tumblr stresses me out. I try really hard to be gender and sexually equal and to use the correct verbiage and be as respectful and inclusive as possible but I swear every day there's a new word I'm supposed to use for this or that that I've literally never hear of before.  

 

 

Also, my favorite word might be literally.

[Avejajed]

Antivan firebomb. Unless it was the frostback. Which was your first? Mine was the lightning one in Crestwood.

 

Mine was too. I was under leveled for it though so it took me forever. And firebomb is the other thing I always carry. I don't bother with anything besides firebomb, bees, and health potions.

 

Now I cheat and wait till I'm like level 25 and do them all at once.

[Colonelkillabee]

Mine was too. I was under leveled for it though so it took me forever. And firebomb is the other thing I always carry. I don't bother with anything besides firebomb, bees, and health potions.

 

Now I cheat and wait till I'm like level 25 and do them all at once.

Same. They're the easiest, and I'm too lazy to mess with much else. I stuck to a handful of potions and bombs in the witcher as well.

 

I go for dragons after I make my trench coat and my teammate's clothes out of stormheart ore, from that underground cave where the sea rift is. Used to farm for it there, now I just duplicate it. I'm usually a level 12 by then, which is high enough to kill that ******. At least there's no water around like the one in the exalted plains. Was surprised that actually mattered. Fun fight. Even if she was a ****.

[Colonelkillabee]

Tumblr stresses me out. I try really hard to be gender and sexually equal and to use the correct verbiage and be as respectful and inclusive as possible but I swear every day there's a new word I'm supposed to use for this or that that I've literally never hear of before.  

 

 

Also, my favorite word might be literally.

 

And that, that is why I do not bother. Half of it is made up anyway and someone is always offended. I'll be damned if I ever refer to someone as "Zhe". I'm not using made up words to cater to anyone, ever. When that **** comes up in the dictionary, then call me.

 

People can do whatever they want, just don't think that I'll care, or that I have to.

[Maria13]

Turns out he understands her quite well, which I thought was very sweet. He also sees what's admirable about her, which is more of a chance than a lot of people give Sera. I believe in a different version of the conversation Solas says that he clashes with Sera because she'd take it better than either his pity or his envy. And I've got to agree. 

 

The thought occurs to me that a young Solas and a young Sera would have gotten together like a house on fire...

 

In fact they may actually have set Thedas on fire, just for the LOLZ!

 

Umm, more potential FF...

[Colonelkillabee]

The thought occurs to me that a young Solas and a young Sera would have gotten together like a house on fire...

 

In fact they may actually have set Thedas on fire, just for the LOLZ!

 

Umm, more potential FF...

Ahhh, by the dreadwolf, don't do that to the guy, lol.

 

I don't like the Cassandra X Solas ships, but at least she's an adult.

[Maria13]

Ahhh, by the dreadwolf, don't do that to the guy, lol.

 

I don't like the Cassandra X Solas ships, but at least she's an adult.

 

No, I would imagine them both as teens... Rebels without a cause, Bonny and Clyde... Little Red Jenny and the Bad Wolf...

[Avejajed]

And that, that is why I do not bother. Half of it is made up anyway and someone is always offended. I'll be damned if I ever refer to someone as "Zhe". I'm not using made up words to cater to anyone, ever. When that **** comes up in the dictionary, then call me.

 

People can do whatever they want, just don't think that I'll care, or that I have to.

 

 What's a Zhe?

[Siha]

No, I would imagine them both as teens... Rebels without a cause, Bonny and Clyde... Little Red Jenny and the Bad Wolf...

 

Who would be Clyde in that pairing?

 

I actually appreciate Sera. She is hard to like but she's not a bad person.