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[Colonelkillabee]

Maybe, I guess it depends.  The Blight usually behaves more like an illness than a curse...  Even if it might as well be both.

 

The thing with the griffons and the blood magic is bugging me because I can almost see a connection with how it might work with how the well of sorrows and other elven geas' might work.  And the implications...but trying to fit pieces in a puzzle without a picture is so frustrating.

What do you mean, with the connection of blighted things to whatever will it's attached to?

[Colonelkillabee]

Mass Effect is dead to me. I'm putting all my futuristic vidya hopes into Fallout 4 and CDPR's cyberpunk game.

As for Solavellan songs, here's one that fits even though I bet it isn't on many playlists.   
 

 

Spoiler

 

You asked me, you asked me, you asked me, you asked me

And I said nothing 

 

Will you be true to her until death do you part?

NO

Will you love her and stay with her until death even in dark days?

NO

 

 

I approve of all of this XD

[Siha]

Listen to Jesper Kyd's Assassin's Creed soundtracks. Plenty of sad there, and exciting if you wanted. They're great imagination boosters. 

 

Sad? Someone mention sad? I can offer sad!

 

Spoiler

 

(Sorry, I need every opportunity to slip in my latest obsession.)

[LliiraAnna]

Sounds nice though I have no idea what they are saying but the part you translated fits so well!

Well, it's something like...

 

Spoiler

I am walking around my room

Back and forth, back and forth

My head is foggy, my heart is freezing

I want to exhaust myself and fall into darkness until morning comes

The lullaby of the rain behind the window

Tells me "It's time!"

 

I don't want to see those dreams

I don't want to see this beauty

In my dream, we are going to be together

But in the morning - where are you?

And I won't be able to breathe again

I cannot, I am not ready

I don't want to see those dreams

Please, no more dreams...

 

I am walking around my room

Back and forth, back and forth

And I am blaming you

Though it's not your fault

That I am afraid to fall asleep

I am blaming you

But I don't really mean it

 

Also, these two songs: the first one is a french cover of a japanese song, the second one is japanese. Sad, but beautiful 

 

 

[BoscoBread]

Mass Effect is dead to me. I'm putting all my futuristic vidya hopes into Fallout 4 and CDPR's cyberpunk game.

As for Solavellan songs, here's one that fits even though I bet it isn't on many playlists.   
 

 

Spoiler

 

You asked me, you asked me, you asked me, you asked me

And I said nothing 

 

Will you be true to her until death do you part?

NO

Will you love her and stay with her until death even in dark days?

NO

 

Yes to Mass Effect - I have no reason to care anymore. Yes to Fallout 4. Yes to Cyberpunk.

 

Yes eternally to Rammstein.

[Janic99]

I GOT MY DREADDIE SHIIIIRT !!!! 

[flabbadence]

More screenies:

 

http://dreadwolfed.t...st/110812223800

[Colonelkillabee]

More screenies:

 

http://dreadwolfed.t...st/110812223800

 

[drake2511]

Depression time!

Spoiler

 

http://liberaquantob...-weve-lost-i-am

 

I am the one
Who can recount
What we’ve lost.

I am the one
Who will live on.

 

 

[dragondreamer]

What do you mean, with the connection of blighted things to whatever will it's attached to?

 

I mean, it's like the blood magic created a circuit, or a hive connection between the griffons.  All the griffons.  And the Blight used that to jump and infect them all.  I don't think this would normally work on a large scale, because otherwise Tevinter would be overrun with Blight every time someone used blood magic.  But there's something there, and not simply where Blight is concerned.

 

One of the odd things in figuring out why elves suddenly had a mass loss of immortality and why their reproduction is so weird, is the scale of it.  I believe it has something to do with the intrinsic nature of the elves and the Fade, but there's still the big question of what exactly happened.  Was it simply the creation of the Veil?  But then how are there still immortal elves kicking about?  I don't buy the uthenera bit, because the elves were losing their immortality well before Arlathan fell, but they didn't lose their knowledge until then.  It shouldn't have been an issue if the immortality thing was operating the same as it had always been.

 

Solas sees the Sentinels and their temple, and he immediately comes to the conclusion that Mythal must still be around.  That suggests to me that the elven gods may have something to do with elven immortality.  If the elves were originally connected in a hive state, not unlike what the taint creates in darkspawn and Grey Wardens (in fact, maybe almost exactly the same), they may have used the elven "gods" like a Fade battery that they drew from and sustained them.  Not unlike the darkspawn sustained by the Blight, which is powered from the Void, rather than the Fade.  Vallaslin blood magic or a geas may have simply strengthened a natural state.  So like the griffons, the elves were a circuit, and instead of sharing Blight, they shared a Fade connection.  The elven gods were like power plants, using their orbs to enable themselves to supply that sort of energy into the link.  When the elven gods were locked away, maybe that meant the loss of connection to the Fade that the elves once had, unless their own god was still in the world, like Mythal or Fen'Harel, if he maintained that sort of link.  Poof, there goes immortality.

 

That's a big mess, but maybe that communicates the idea I'm struggling with a bit.  It potentially runs against some things, since there's clearly not enough to figure out how the Veil business fits, and I'm not sure if it breaks the "immortality is not a spell" thing.  Isseya accidentally creating the link with blood magic in griffons may simply be up there with Zathrian accidentally recreating a Fade link with blood magic that made him immortal.  And Avernus doing almost the same thing, except by using blood magic to plug himself into the Blight's power.  Elven Fade Bees may be a naturally occurring state even if it can be reproduced artifically.

 

Yeah, I just..  I need to cook this some more.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I gotta fix this!  I can't just go around traumatizing forumites, I'm not Sable!

 
I would like to point out that I only traumatized you guys the once.  That I know of.  Yeesh, send the thread into a sobbing, messy hellspiral and never live it down 
 

Mass Effect is dead to me. I'm putting all my futuristic vidya hopes into Fallout 4 and CDPR's cyberpunk game

Mass Effect and I are like amiable exes now.  The breakup was horrible, messy, and full of yelling, but then it got me Citadel and a Garrus tango, and we slowly got to be friends again.  We keep in touch, and if it does something cool with its life next, I'll show up to the party.

[Caddius]

 
I would like to point out that I only traumatized you guys the once.  That I know of.  Yeesh, send the thread into a sobbing, messy hellspiral and never live it down 
 

Mass Effect and I are like amiable exes now.  The breakup was horrible, messy, and full of yelling, but then it got me Citadel and a Garrus tango, and we slowly got to be friends again.  We keep in touch, and if it does something cool with its life next, I'll show up to the party.

If the rest forget, I'll remind them.

That's...one of the better ways of describing it I've heard.  For me, there wasn't a break-up. It was just a dark, dark period with ME. We were on a break!

[flabbadence]

Caddius... That is an amazing avatar

[Caddius]

Caddius... That is an amazing avatar

Thank you.

I found it here. http://www.gamefaqs....sition/70987937I think it's one of the Tarot Cards with the game. If it's fan-art and someone can point me to the artist, I'll credit them in the profile doodad thingie.

I was looking for ominous art to calm me down after SOMEONE led me down the path of LoquaciousQuark and her brilliant writing.   And the sadness. All of the sads. 

[nikki-tikki]

Thank you.

I found it here. http://www.gamefaqs....sition/70987937I think it's one of the Tarot Cards with the game. If it's fan-art and someone can point me to the artist, I'll credit them in the profile doodad thingie.

I was looking for ominous art to calm me down after SOMEONE led me down the path of LoquaciousQuark and her brilliant writing.   And the sadness. All of the sads. 

 

I can only take those in small intervals...

[flabbadence]

Thank you.

I found it here. http://www.gamefaqs....sition/70987937I think it's one of the Tarot Cards with the game. If it's fan-art and someone can point me to the artist, I'll credit them in the profile doodad thingie.

I was looking for ominous art to calm me down after SOMEONE led me down the path of LoquaciousQuark and her brilliant writing.   And the sadness. All of the sads. 

 

While I don't see how ominous art can in any way calm you down, I can never regret recommending Quark to anyone 

 

Edit: Which fic are you reading?

[jellobell]

I gotta fix this!  I can't just go around traumatizing forumites, I'm not Sable!

Does this help?

TECHNO TURIAN! That is so nostalgic you have no idea.

[Caddius]

While I don't see how ominous art can in any way calm you down, I can never regret recommending Quark to anyone 

 

Edit: Which fic are you reading?

I find the Architect's voice and chatting about the Blight relaxing.

Sith Lords make me happy.

I ship my Warchiefs in Shadows of Mordor together. Ratlug Blade-Master/Pug Graug-Hunter forever.

I switched avatars because I have some sort of map open on the second monitor I set up for that purpose in higher resolution.

*shrug*

I'm a bit abby-normal, I guess. 

[LliiraAnna]

Solas sees the Sentinels and their temple, and he immediately comes to the conclusion that Mythal must still be around.  That suggests to me that the elven gods may have something to do with elven immortality.  If the elves were originally connected in a hive state, not unlike what the taint creates in darkspawn and Grey Wardens (in fact, maybe almost exactly the same), they may have used the elven "gods" like a Fade battery that they drew from and sustained them.  Not unlike the darkspawn sustained by the Blight, which is powered from the Void, rather than the Fade.  Vallaslin blood magic or a geas may have simply strengthened a natural state.  So like the griffons, the elves were a circuit, and instead of sharing Blight, they shared a Fade connection.  The elven gods were like power plants, using their orbs to enable themselves to supply that sort of energy into the link.  When the elven gods were locked away, maybe that meant the loss of connection to the Fade that the elves once had, unless their own god was still in the world, like Mythal or Fen'Harel, if he maintained that sort of link.  Poof, there goes immortality.

I agree that the gods (likely) had something to do with elven immortality. Sentinels aside, if you drink from the Well, you are "bound to Mythal for all eternity", which seems to suggest some form of immortality (not necessarily a nice one, though). Then there are all the voices you hear, which does fit into your "hive mind" theory. Apparently, it has something to do with souls/spirits (again), which can be bound and controlled by the "gods". This probably throws the whole "elven gods were just powerful mages" theory out of a window, though. 

[Elven_Glory]

Hello heartbroken unicorns!

Spoiler

I meant to post half a hundred years ago but it's taken me a month of concerted effort to make it to page 1272, so ...

Somebody way back in the wild blue yonder posed a question as to Solas's MBTI type and I've spent way too much time mulling over it since then. So, a month too late, here's my suggestion for consideration.

I've seen him typed variously as INTJ, INTP, and INFJ. I'm going to (lengthily) support INTP.

So, for quick overview, here are the type functions of the these three proposed types:
INTJ: Ni/Te/Fi/Se (dominant perceiver)
INTP: Ti/Ne/Si/Fe (dominant judger)
INFJ: Ni/Fe/Ti/Se (dominant perceiver)

TMI re: functions: The J/P was not something used by Jung and was added by Meyers-Briggs. Being a J doesn't mean one is Judgy McJudgerson, just that one's dominant extroverted function prefers closure to possibilities. It refers to the first extroverted function in a stacking (not the first function!) and is therefore a little skewed when dealing with introverts. For example, an ENTJ is a dominant 'judger' because their lead extroverted function (also their first function, as is the case with all extroverts) is Te, which is a judging function (it prefers closure). In the case of an INTP, the P refers to their first extroverted function (Ne), which is a perceiving function (it prefers possibilities); however, they are dominant judgers because their leading function, Ti, is a judging function that prefers closure.

TMI: re: TMI: As their name suggests, extroverted functions are essentially the 'face' one shows to the world while introverted functions are the stuff that's happening internally. That's why introverts are introverts. Their primary stuff is going on in their heads and is not being directly shown to the outside world.

So much for the boring, convoluted stuff. Now Solas!

Solas and Ti

What is Ti?
Briefly, it's logical analysis and reasoning that delights in breaking things down to their essentials. It delights in careful speech, selecting words for maximum effectiveness in conveying meaning. It looks for inconsistencies and focuses on creating elegant systems. When there are problems, it examines them from multiple angles and finds solutions that maintain the essence of the system. When paired with Se, the result could be thought of as a skilled architect able to build elegant palaces or engineer a plan to keep the Tower of Pisa from collapsing. When paired with Ne, it creates an architect of ideas.

And this, I think, is Solas at his core. An architect of ideas.
* Solas is extremely particular about his words. And I mean beyond poetical eloquence. Consider the case of Solas 'lying' to Lavellan, betraying or otherwise hoodwinking her. I'd suggest that to Ti he did not do these things. He was very careful not to, sometimes putting more meaning in what was not said than what was. He uses words to wiggle out of situations that would either require complete truth (which he's not in a good position to offer) or an outright lie (which I don't think he wants to do, cf. his respect for Cassandra's straightforwardness).

Blackwall: It's a simple yes or no question!
Solas: Nothing about the fade is simple, especially not that.
Blackwall: Aha! So you do have experience in these matters!
Solas: I did not say that.

Cassandra: You must not have been far away.
Solas: I was not. I had come to hear of the Conclave, but I did not want to get close.

Cole: You're different, Solas. Sharper. You're in both places.
Solas: I visit the Fade regularly. Perhaps you are sensing traces of it.

In none of these examples (among many) is he lying. He's choosing his words very carefully so that he can mean what he says. Or say things without definitively saying something. Like with Blackwall, he doesn't say it isn't true, either, he just sidesteps the question. He tells Cassandra the truth, but does volunteer any further information or give away his true purpose. Hear what of the Conclave, Solas, dear? Likewise with Cole, he's telling the truth but not volunteering any further information. He comes close to a lie in the 'sensing traces' bit; surely Solas knows exactly why he feels that way to Cole, and it isn't likely Fade residue. But maybe there's a 5% possibility that that's the case, so he couches it in a 'perhaps' and thus is technically telling the truth. Note that this isn't the same as being completely open/volunteering information, but I think part of Solas's unhappiness lies in his perceived inability to do that in his current situation.

So, to Ti there is a world of difference between saying "I visit the Fade regularly. You are sensing traces of it." and "I visit the Fade regularly. Perhaps you are sensing traces of it." In other words, I don't think Solas cynically chose that phrasing to allow himself an out later on: "Ah, but I didn't lie!". Rather, he sees them as two completely different things, one true and the other not true. Let's artificially limit him to three options: 1) You are sensing traces of it. 2) Perhaps you are sensing traces of it. 3) I'm one of the Elvhen gods, so I feel weird. Of these, I suspect Solas's first inclination would be option 3, but for obvious reasons he can't say it. He then chooses option 2, because it is true, and rejects option 1 because it is false. I suppose this is why I find accusing Solas of lying to Lavellan a little harsh. He wasn't, technically. And to Ti, that 'technically' is of huge importance.

*Ti breaking things (especially ideas) down into their constituent parts or their foundations. Creating 'theories' that underpin everything. Contrast this to Te, the thinking function of the INTJ. Te likes plans, it organizes ideas and the physical world, it loves efficiency.

Cassandra: You also heard the voices at the Temple - is it so surprising that I listened to them?
Solas: Sadly, yes. Too few invested with authority posses the courage to alter their course.
Solas: They fear the appearance of weakness.

Solas has created an internal theory of power and authority that he reveals on occasion. Here is part of it. He abstracts; he is not talking about Cassandra's reactions, but of the reactions, methods, and reasoning of all persons in authority. Ti, as a judging function, has created its theory (that persons in authority will not alter course for fear of appearing weak), checks what he is observing against that theory and is surprised that the two don't line up. Solas is drawing a judgement against his ideal of authority and finding observed reality wanting; thus, he notes "sadly" that Cassandra is an exception to the rule.

Solas: The Wardens see themselves as the World's defense against the Blight, do they not?
Blackwall: Yes ... why do you sound so skeptical? Doesn't everyone know this?
Solas: When an Archdemon rises, they slay it. What will they do when all the Archdemons are slain?
Blackwall: Uh ... retire?
Solas: Without Archdemons there can be no Blights, is that the reasoning?
Blackwall: Right. Where are you going with this?
Solas: Nowhere. I hope they are correct.

Solas takes the concept of the Grey Wardens and breaks it down until he finds its fundamental tenent. He even says he's going "nowhere" with the idea, whereas results-oriented Te generally doesn't bother with trains to nowhere. Also note his bit of word trickery (again): "I hope they are correct." True, he probably hopes so. He doesn't say he thinks it likely, however. Or (as may be the case) that it will result in Epic Disaster Time. But he hopes it won't!

Iron Bull: [After saying that Thedas would be better off under the Qun] But the war to make that happen? That'd be ugly. A lot of good people would die.


Iron Bull: So I'm not hoping it happens. There! You happy?
Solas: Happy? No, quite the opposite.
Iron Bull: Oh, come on. I said I didn't want us to invade you!
Solas: No. You said this world would be brighter if all thinking individuals were stripped of individuality.
Solas: You only lack the will to get more blood on your hands.

Solas cuts IB's argument down to its ultimate point, and one that IB doesn't refute. I'd also suggest that this bit of dialogue is one of the stronger pieces of evidence for not having a feeling function high on Solas's list. Solas gives IB's emotion-based hope little weighting, and even flips it on him. He's not pleased that IB gives a crap about the people who would die. I would argue that, in an abstract way, Solas doesn't give a great deal of craps about the people who would die. Solas is more interested in ideological purity, in this case that of individual freedom. I think Solas's thinking lies along these lines: If IB's ideal of the Qun is correct but the means of achieving the ideal is not something IB can accept, then IB needs to reconsider his ideal. His phrasing is troubling, though. It suggests that Bull's lack of will to kill to achieve the ideal is a problem to Solas's mind. Perhaps meaning that Solas would be quite willing to wander into mass murder territory to achieve his ideal state of freedom (and the irony of that is delicious). Not that he wouldn't feel bad, but according to Solas in this dialogue, if I'm reading it right, his feeling bad about it is ultimately irrelevant and shouldn't stop him.

Solas: It is easier for people to believe they were tricked into making terrible decisions.

Solas: Competition brings passion, Cole, and passion lets people attach import to trivial things.

Solas: Even the lowliest peasant may find freedom in the safety of her thoughts.

Solas: ... Freedom is preferable to mindless obedience ...

Some of Solas's ideology coming out. Notice how it is abstract and generalized, observations being winnowed down to their core.

There are a lot more examples of what I perceive to be Solas's Ti coming out to play. Way too many. In general, I would suggest looking at Solas's first inclination in most dialogues. Is he first inclined to get along (Fe), to question ideas (Ti), to create/evaluate solutions (Te), to predict future outcomes (Ni), to consider possibilities (Ne), or to consider morality/personal reasoning (Fi)? I'd suggest that he, more often than not, prods people into considering and questioning IDEAS and the stances drawn from them. INTJs and INFJs lead with Ni, the great foreseer of outcomes. We very rarely see Solas do this. In fact, the two concrete examples of Solas attempting it have ended in disaster (locking the gods away or whatever it was he did, and planning on having Cory unlock the orb).

I have seen it suggested that Solas either sucks at what he claims to do or has really bad luck. I think it's more along the lines of Solas being driven by a Ti with its ideals pushed too far to seek to do something that is not in his sphere of competence at all. Namely, to act. Solas is a thinker not a doer. Solas suddenly had to create a plan and execute it (Te), and to foresee the implications and likely results (Ni). If Solas is an INTP it makes Te/Ni his shadow functions. I've heard them called the 'child functions' because, while we have access to them, we are not adept at using them and the results can be heavy handed and awkward. Which, I think, explains the results of Solas's attempts at world alteration. They weren't the results of a particularly hapless INTJ, though they can look like it because Solas was using INTJ functions to accomplish them. Instead, they were the hapless, semi-competent results of a brilliant, passionate philosopher forcing himself into the role of cunning, decisive mastermind.

Regarding his other functions, I'm comfortable with Ne, which would be the source of Solas's relative open-mindedness, his abstractness, his love of possibilities, and his craptacular track-record with decision-making. On Si, I think there's a general consensus that Sera's comment: "His mind is up a thousand years ago" aptly describes Solas. That is Si, considering, contemplating, even being stuck in the past. If he were INTJ or INFJ he would be focused on the future and not looking into the past (Si is not either of their function stacks). He wouldn't be forever comparing the present to the past, but he does, because Si. INTJs use Fi as their fourth function, which Solas could have, though none of the rest of the INTJs functions fit him very well, in my opinion.

As for INFJ, their second function is Fe while for INTPs it is their fourth function. Generally, the fourth function is weak and often unreliable due to being the function we develop latest in life. We use it all through our lives, but it takes time to become competent with it. Fe is the main social function, allowing one to get along in groups, act in socially appropriate ways, etc. (A very general description; Fi and Fe can be two of the hardest functions to distinguish). Now, we know Solas is one smooth operator. We know he can manipulate the social play of Orlesian politics to his benefit, and that he enjoys doing so. This certainly sounds like Fe as a dominant function. However, Solas is thousands of years old, with more than enough time to highly develop one's lowest function. I think the more definitive thing is when Solas uses Fe, not how. Check his dialogue with the other companions, especially Cassandra, IB, and Sera. He starts off engaging them with Ti/Ne (his natural preference), but eventually his Fe picks up on their discomfort/whatever and he uses it to soften the blow/end the conversation. He does this pretty frequently with Lavellan, too. So, yes, he is skilled at using Fe, arguably as skilled as an INFJ when he chooses to use it. But he doesn't use it automatically, by default, or as a first choice, suggesting to me that it isn't his dominant mode of expressing himself.

If you made it through all that .... thank you. And I'm sorry.

Seeing as I very much identify with Solas as a character and I am INFP (borderline J) I think I would mostly agree with this.

[Caddius]

While I don't see how ominous art can in any way calm you down, I can never regret recommending Quark to anyone 

 

Edit: Which fic are you reading?

I've read about seven one-shots so far. Mostly Fenris/Hawke, because I ship that. 

And then I got to the one-shot about Justice and he and Anders falling. 

[laurelinvanyar]

Let me just say right off the bat that this is all purely speculation on my part, so feel free to skip:

 

I don't think the old god dragons are in control of the blight at all. I'm not even convinced that it was Dumat who whispered to Corypheus to go to the Golden City. 

 

http://dragonage.wik..._Claws_of_Dumat

 

This codex brings up an awkward contradiction. The Old Gods are going silent to the general public while simultaneously speaking more and more to their high priests? What was their connection, other than ceremony? Why would the old gods want the magisters to reach the (already) Black City?

 

I'm not sure what old god dragons are. They have the song, which compels blighted creatures to seek them out, while at the same time they have some sort of connection to the fade (since they appear in a Warden's dreams). Fade magic and blight magic are totally separate sources of magic. I've wondered if perhaps the song is NOT blight magic, but then Wardens can hear it? Why would the dragons need to be corrupted into archdemons if they already possess some form of blight magic? Do the old gods have the same inherent blight resistance that all normal dragons do?

 

I'm fully in the "the City was already Black when Cornflakes got there" camp. Our only contradictory piece of information on that account comes from chantry fables, which I do not consider a viable source of information. To me, that means that somebody drew Corypheus and the magisters there with the intent of spreading the Blight. 

 

But who? and why?

[Avejajed]

Depression time!

Spoiler

http://liberaquantob...-weve-lost-i-am

I am the one
Who can recount
What we’ve lost.
I am the one
Who will live on.

Jerk.

[flabbadence]

I find the Architect's voice and chatting about the Blight relaxing.

Sith Lords make me happy.

I ship my Warchiefs in Shadows of Mordor together. Ratlug Blade-Master/Pug Graug-Hunter forever.

I switched avatars because I have some sort of map open on the second monitor I set up for that purpose in higher resolution.

*shrug*

I'm a bit abby-normal, I guess. 

 

A bit . Though I agree about the Architect's voice being super relaxing. It's maybe 50% of the reason why I let him live.

 

I've read about seven one-shots so far. Mostly Fenris/Hawke, because I ship that. 

And then I got to the one-shot about Justice and he and Anders falling. 

 

Lacrimosa can help you with those feels

[Avejajed]

Let me just say right off the bat that this is all purely speculation on my part, so feel free to skip:

I don't think the old god dragons are in control of the blight at all. I'm not even convinced that it was Dumat who whispered to Corypheus to go to the Golden City.

http://dragonage.wik..._Claws_of_Dumat

This codex brings up an awkward contradiction. The Old Gods are going silent to the general public while simultaneously speaking more and more to their high priests? What was their connection, other than ceremony? Why would the old gods want the magisters to reach the (already) Black City?

I'm not sure what old god dragons are. They have the song, which compels blighted creatures to seek them out, while at the same time they have some sort of connection to the fade (since they appear in a Warden's dreams). Fade magic and blight magic are totally separate sources of magic. I've wondered if perhaps the song is NOT blight magic, but then Wardens can hear it? Why would the dragons need to be corrupted into archdemons if they already possess some form of blight magic? Do the old gods have the same inherent blight resistance that all normal dragons do?

I'm fully in the "the City was already Black when Cornflakes got there" camp. Our only contradictory piece of information on that account comes from chantry fables, which I do not consider a viable source of information. To me, that means that somebody drew Corypheus and the magisters there with the intent of spreading the Blight.

But who? and why?

I like that last part about drawing them there with the sole purpose of spreading the blight. Hmmm.