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I like that last part about drawing them there with the sole purpose of spreading the blight. Hmmm.

If the Old Gods are indeed the Pillars of the Earth, and there being destroyed leads to bad things for Thedas, then I could see a malevolent force using the Blight as a means of weakening Thedas and eliminating the Pillars in one go.


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I like that last part about drawing them there with the sole purpose of spreading the blight. Hmmm.

It makes me feel like a crazy conspiracy theorist, but it also feels right. I dunno, something about the story just doesn't make sense. 



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I like that last part about drawing them there with the sole purpose of spreading the blight. Hmmm.

 

Ok if the sole purpose of drawing them there is to spread the blight... who gains from a blighted world?



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I agree that the gods (likely) had something to do with elven immortality. Sentinels aside, if you drink from the Well, you are "bound to Mythal for all eternity", which seems to suggest some form of immortality (not necessarily a nice one, though). Then there are all the voices you hear, which does fit into your "hive mind" theory. Apparently, it has something to do with souls/spirits (again), which can be bound and controlled by the "gods". This probably throws the whole "elven gods were just powerful mages" theory out of a window, though. 

 

Possibly, Morrigan at least seems to think they're something more than simply god-kings.  Though I'm not sure they necessarily all begin as whatever they become.

 

To bring the bees analogy back (lol), they could be like a queen bee.  The bee larvae starts out normal until they're fed royal jelly to change them.  In the case of the elves, it may be related to what kind of connection to the Fade they have.  Solas is depowered, but Cole tells us Solas is bright on both sides, so there's probably still something there with him.  Considering what happened to Mythal, that she still existed at all seemed to be enough, if only for those connected to her well.



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Ok if the sole purpose of drawing them there is to spread the blight... who gains from a blighted world?

Not the old god dragons, that's for sure. :P

I want to think that there is some primordial big bad out there, but I have no proof :(



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Lacrimosa can help you with those feels

YOU ROTTEN BLIGHTER I WENT IN EXPECTING FLUFF AND NOW I'M CRYING AND PROBABLY RUINING MY MAKE-UP MANLY REPUTATION!


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Ok if the sole purpose of drawing them there is to spread the blight... who gains from a blighted world?


Evil motherfuckers?
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If the Old Gods are indeed the Pillars of the Earth, and there being destroyed leads to bad things for Thedas, then I could see a malevolent force using the Blight as a means of weakening Thedas and eliminating the Pillars in one go.

We don't even know where the Blight actually comes from. Again, the source of blight in Thedas is the Black City, but Blight is not natural to the fade. I'm not even sure if blight magic comes from the void anymore. 



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YOU ROTTEN BLIGHTER I WENT IN EXPECTING FLUFF AND NOW I'M CRYING AND PROBABLY RUINING MY MAKE-UP MANLY REPUTATION!

Spoiler

 

Edit: hahaha, I'm sorry. Lacrimosa's a beautiful piece of writing though  :lol:

 

and I'm putting that gif on spoiler, it's freaking me out



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I must confess, when you mentioned wearing a "full face makeup" (or similar) I had expected something less pretty. People I know with a full face makeup tend to use... more colors.


That's because they don't know what they are doing.

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Video I made:


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Not the old god dragons, that's for sure. :P

I want to think that there is some primordial big bad out there, but I have no proof :(

 

Evil motherfuckers?

 

Lmao, but joking aside, one of the basic tenets of Dragon Age is its grey morality. Someone has to benefit here somehow



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That's because they don't know what they are doing.

How dare you: - Edit - Forgot people are legit terrified of clowns. it's a clown. so..you know TRIGGER WARNING.

 

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How dare you:

 

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ACK! That surprise clown was terrifying. *shivers*



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Lmao, but joking aside, one of the basic tenets of Dragon Age is its grey morality. Someone has to benefit here somehow

Why?  Why can't it be a force of nature?  You can manipulate it and attempt to control it - much like chemical/biological warfare(which we see with Darkspawn).  The Blight - we've seen - lays EVERYBODY low. Even gods.   It's a disease.  A parasite.  The only thing that we know that benefits from the blight is the blight.  


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How dare you:

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Omfg why would you post that!! What!! That's terrifying.

Ahshwhwjwk. Cant sleep clowns will eat me.....
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And one might assume Himmler would have been a lot worse even. And if not him somebody else would have been there. I do not want to say I believe in fate or predestination. But the time back then was one of xenophobia and persecution of Jews. It was not limited to Germany. I definitely know of early British support for the Nazi cause and I assume other countries were not too different. Only Germany was "most successful", and in Germany Hitler happened to gain ground. I assume a hundred different paths might have all lead to the same outcome. I consider it harmful to hang history up on a few people. It's so much easier to turn a blind eye and disregard the ubiquitous danger if you assume "It will never happen again". As soon as people start to believe that, usually it's the point when it will happen again. (I am getting off-topic here, no?)

Ah, slightly off-topic is best *g*

 

This is very true. People like to believe that Hitler was an isolated case of great evil, a person of exceptional manipulation skills who turned a helpless nation into murderous monsters. The Pied Piper from hell innocent people followed in a trance, not knowing where they were being led. (Like the archdemon and the darkspawn if you will...)

In reality, Hitler simply exploited the xenophobic mood at the time, fostered it and gave people a scapegoat. One they accepted eagerly.  This strategy is a very common one that's been used countless times in history, not unique to Hitler at all.

My grandparents thought Hitler was a great man before the war. Somebody capable of bringing order and new prosperity to Germany. My grandfather couldn't wait to turn 18 and go to war for his country. Then he ended up a prisoner of war in Russia... despite that trauma, my grandfather remained a quiet racist all his life.

 

People like to believe we are all smarter today, less easily influenced. But history does always repeat itself because we refuse to acknowledge that dictators do not rise in a vacuum. I look at what's currently happening in Europe again with Muslims and I see the same potential for great evil. The media is ramping up fear and prejudice, and it's working like a charm once again. It's disgusting and scary how easily manipulated people are. It's always the same story... we never learn.

 

The Blight is symbolic for this cycle of collective madness that seems inevitable. And just as dictatorships sweep across nations like natural disasters, some will stand up against them and rebel. But neither history's villains nor the heroes who stop them are necessarily unique, they do not have superpowers. They merely happen to be there at the right moment in time. If they had not been there, somebody else would have been.

 

In Dragon Age you play one such hero who just happens to rise to the task, often rather by accident. History writes heroes, turns them into legends, while others who helped them are forgotten. Neither the good guys nor the bad guys work alone.

 

Now Solas, he is kind of the hero and the villain in one person to me. He represents both possibilities in each of us. Others have pointed out similarities to Corypheus. The lines get blurred uncomfortably easily. Change can be good or bad. Usually it's neither, it's just different afterwards. How much should we be willing to sacrifice for the greater good? When does change turn into yet another dictatorship?

 

Solas also symbolizes this fallacy that great change can only be achieved by one extraordinary person, himself in this case. It's a dangerous thought. Will Thedas never get better without his help? His reasoning rejects the courage of others to bring change, even though he is looking change right in the face: the inquisition! So there ARE social forces at work at all times just like in reality. They shape the world for better or worse. We can never predict the outcome. That's a bitter lesson Solas has learned.

 

Of course, in Dragon Age we do have immortal gods with superpowers. And it seems that Mythal and Fen'Harel have nudged history along for a long time. Whether or not their interference is necessary is a different matter...

 

 


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Lmao, but joking aside, one of the basic tenets of Dragon Age is its grey morality. Someone has to benefit here somehow

The Sun, the Void, the Forgotten Ones, Elgar'nan, um, the Old Gods themselves as a desperate attempt to get out. Those are the main candidates so far.

Even darkspawn suffer from a blighted Thedas.


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Why?  Why can't it be a force of nature?  You can manipulate it and attempt to control it - much like chemcial/biological warfare(which we see with Darkspawn).  The Blight - we've seen - lays EVERYBODY low. Even gods.   It's a disease.  A parasite.  The only thing that we know that benefits from the blight is the blight.  

I like the idea of the Blight being a force of nature, or even a primordial god with a sort of primitive cunning to continue its existence and spread. (So, a force of nature. :P )

I'm definitely thinking that it being in the Black City was an attempt at containment by Arlathan. One that failed.


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Well, if we think about my theory that there's something bigger...something really evil that is basically the blight in a single entity...that person/thing would benefit from it. Some people just want to see the world burn?

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I mean, it's like the blood magic created a circuit, or a hive connection between the griffons.  All the griffons.  And the Blight used that to jump and infect them all.  I don't think this would normally work on a large scale, because otherwise Tevinter would be overrun with Blight every time someone used blood magic.  But there's something there, and not simply where Blight is concerned.

It couldn't have been a normal pathogen. There's no indication it infected anyone but the griffons. It's like they, too, had a hive mind, and when the hive mind was infected, the "rage plague" spread to all of them even when they had no contact with other infected griffons.

So maybe the elves loss of immortality worked like that? An infection spread through their Fade connections?

What also intrigues me about the griffons is their fierce, almost uncontrollable hatred of the Blight. Instinct or something more? A past memory? What if the griffons were magically created beasts (sort of like the Qunari were bred of kossith and dragons, these were bred from halla and wyverns or something?) and there was a binding spell on them which caused them to self destruct when a counter spell was introduced?

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I like the idea of the blight as a force of nature, possibly held back by Arlathan.

 

But I don't know... If it's just a force of nature, then why the Singing? A Song implies a Singer, and I have a feeling archdemons aren't it



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Caddius, as an apology, here's the fluffiest fluff that ever fluffed: No Labor Like Love


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I like the idea of the blight as a force of nature, possibly held back by Arlathan.

But I don't know... If it's just a force of nature, then why the Singing? A Song implies a Singer, and I have a feeling archdemons aren't it


They like music? Or maybe it's not really music, that's just how it sounds to the people that hear it. I interpret it as a rythmic whisper or a urge. Like a buzzing in your ear or a feeling you can't shake off.
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I like the idea of the blight as a force of nature, possibly held back by Arlathan.

 

But I don't know... If it's just a force of nature, then why the Singing?

Those crazy plants in Skyrim sang...omg those things drove me nuts.  That's what I picture the "song" to be like though.   

 

From what we we know it's not like a chorus. It's just..."singing".