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[flabbadence]

I have done my best, but alas, I won't be able to post the fic tonight. I'm too sleepy now, and sleepy doesn't work with smut  . I'll have it done by tomorrow though. Good night!

[dragondreamer]

Nightmare had a realm?

 

Nightmare wasn't an elven god, it was a demon.  The "respective realms" seems to be referring to the Dalish story, where the Creators were imprisoned in the Eternal City in the Beyond, and the Forgotten Ones were imprisoned in the "abyss".

[Vorathrad]

Happy 3000 pages everyone!! I only have a silly gif to celebrate our thigh-ey, tight-ey, ass-ey glory.

 

(nsfw?)

 

Spoiler

 

 

It's the first time I really feel comfortable reading and participating on a forum thread; like others have said, although my bf also plays DA he's not interested in discussing theories or lore. So I come to this fantastic thread and find some amazing theories, art, and most of all amazing people and always lots of respect.

 

Sorry that was cheesy but I had to say it! Love y'all!

[_Lucinia]

Awww darnit I missed it by 2 pages!

I've been lurking the last few weeks, but I wanted to pop in and say Happy 3000 Pages, Solas thread!

[Giton]

I have done my best, but alas, I won't be able to post the fic tonight. I'm too sleepy now, and sleepy doesn't work with smut  . I'll have it done by tomorrow though. Good night!

I'm imagining:

 

"And then he pressed his mouth to hers . . . and then a yeti burst through the door on a sleigh drawn by six unicorns and a goat. Then we were flying . . . wait."

[Mims]

Nightmare wasn't an elven god, it was a demon.  The "respective realms" seems to be referring to the Dalish story, where the Creators were imprisoned in the Eternal City in the Beyond, and the Forgotten Ones were imprisoned in the "abyss".

 

That is what I took the respective realms to mean, not so much that the creators themselves were segregated from one another. [Although they certainly could be.] 

[Elessara]

Nightmare wasn't an elven god, it was a demon.  The "respective realms" seems to be referring to the Dalish story, where the Creators were imprisoned in the Eternal City in the Beyond, and the Forgotten Ones were imprisoned in the "abyss".

 

Yeah, this is what I was referring to.  Sorry, should have been more clear.  And the more I think about it the more I think the Black City is the Eternal City.  ONE DAY WE WILL FIND OUT!

 

Ahem, but yeah ...

[Vorathrad]

He's Muad'dib!

 

Happy belated 3000 everyone.

 

I read something in World of Thedas: It says that the elvhen gods were trapped in their respective realms. For some reason I thought they were all trapped together somewhere. How did he get them to all go into their corners, then seal the mirrors all at once?

 

*puts on tinfoil hat before theory as Siha taught her*

 

Now this is an idea I really like. Perhaps Solas managed to lock each god in a different part of the Eluvian crossroads, and his orb is the master key to open all of them? And locking several eluvians at once drew all the power from the foci, so he had to go into uthenera? 

 

I also like moar and moar the idea that elven gods are tainted and that's the reason they had to be locked until a cure was found.

[Ajna]

Awww darnit I missed it by 2 pages!

I've been lurking the last few weeks, but I wanted to pop in and say Happy 3000 Pages, Solas thread!

 

I've missed you!

[Elessara]

*puts on tinfoil hat before theory as Siha taught her*

 

Now this is an idea I really like. Perhaps Solas managed to lock each god in a different part of the Eluvian crossroads, and his orb is the master key to open all of them? And locking several eluvians at once drew all the power from the foci, so he had to go into uthenera? 

 

I also like moar and moar the idea that elven gods are tainted and that's the reason they had to be locked until a cure was found.

 

If we take the dev notes at face value, Flemeth/Mythal has been nurturing/building her power because she knew one day Fen'Harel would need it.  How did she know this?  So what if ... now bear with me here ... what if Flemeth was the reason Solas was so weak that he couldn't unlock his own orb after he woke up?  If he couldn't unlock his orb she probably figured he would have to come to her for her power.  Only Solas tried to avoid doing that (because she's his oldest friend) by getting Corypheus to unlock his orb.

[dragondreamer]

Yeah, this is what I was referring to.  Sorry, should have been more clear.  And the more I think about it the more I think the Black City is the Eternal City.  ONE DAY WE WILL FIND OUT!

 

Ahem, but yeah ...

 

According to WoT, the Eternal City is the Dalish term for the Black City.

[Elessara]

According to WoT, the Eternal City is the Dalish term for the Black City.

 

O RLY?!  Hmm, I don't have WoT.  I must get this!

[Avejajed]

I have a saved spot on page 3000. If you missed it, please msg me a link to your post or art or whatever and I shall add it to the page. Xoxoxo

[Maria13]

If we take the dev notes at face value, Flemeth/Mythal has been nurturing/building her power because she knew one day Fen'Harel would need it.  How did she know this?  So what if ... now bear with me here ... what if Flemeth was the reason Solas was so weak that he couldn't unlock his own orb after he woke up?  If he couldn't unlock his orb she probably figured he would have to come to her for her power.  Only Solas tried to avoid doing that (because she's his oldest friend) by getting Corypheus to unlock his orb.

 

Do you mean Flemythal/Solas have been trading power back and forth, with one acting as provider for the other at different times? Or do you mean Flemythal took power from Solas while he was sleeping?

[Vorathrad]

If we take the dev notes at face value, Flemeth/Mythal has been nurturing/building her power because she knew one day Fen'Harel would need it.  How did she know this?  So what if ... now bear with me here ... what if Flemeth was the reason Solas was so weak that he couldn't unlock his own orb after he woke up?  If he couldn't unlock his orb she probably figured he would have to come to her for her power.  Only Solas tried to avoid doing that (because she's his oldest friend) by getting Corypheus to unlock his orb.

 

Flemythal seems to be able to foresee the future in some way (I'd say she's able to see the very fabric of reality and moving its threads according to her purposes, but maybe that's too much) I don't think she was the cause of Solas weakness, but her "powering up" as preparing for how she knew Solas actions would go. Flemeth usually doesn't interfere directly with events, she "pushes" them in a certain direction but in a very subtle way.

 

My bet is that Solas weakness is the result of what he had to do; I should say that I don't see Mythal and Fen'Harel so intertwined as some theories here have made them (him being a creature of hers and the like)

[Elessara]

Do you mean Flemythal/Solas have been trading power back and forth, with one acting as provider for the other at different times? Or do you mean Flemythal took power from Solas while he was sleeping?

 

The latter ... that Flemeth has been weakening Solas while he slept.  Yeah, he's a her friend but she's completely focused on vengeance/justice.  She'll do whatever it takes to get the outcome she wants and she's a long term planner.

[Elessara]

Flemythal seems to be able to foresee the future in some way (I'd say she's able to see the very fabric of reality and moving its threads according to her purposes, but maybe that's too much) I don't think she was the cause of Solas weakness, but her "powering up" as preparing for how she knew Solas actions would go. Flemeth usually doesn't interfere directly with events, she "pushes" them in a certain direction but in a very subtle way.

 

My bet is that Solas weakness is the result of what he had to do; I should say that I don't see Mythal and Fen'Harel so intertwined as some theories here have made them (him being a creature of hers and the like)

 

I'm not really convinced that she was weakening Solas to make him turn to her.  It was just something that popped into my head as a possibility.

[Mims]

If we take the dev notes at face value, Flemeth/Mythal has been nurturing/building her power because she knew one day Fen'Harel would need it.  How did she know this?  So what if ... now bear with me here ... what if Flemeth was the reason Solas was so weak that he couldn't unlock his own orb after he woke up?  If he couldn't unlock his orb she probably figured he would have to come to her for her power.  Only Solas tried to avoid doing that (because she's his oldest friend) by getting Corypheus to unlock his orb.

 

That is what I was thinking. Not committing to the theory or anything, but it is certainly a possibility. There is also the fact that in the game files, the orb is listed as Mythal's. One of the theories about Fen'Harel's origins is that he could have been another 'uplifted' mage like Ghilan'nain, or all of the progeny of Mythal/Elgar'nan drew from their magic to some extent. 

 

Flemeth/Mythal is tricky. The best way to get someone to work for you is to make them think that it was their idea in the first place. Although I wouldn't say for certain on any one theory, one thing I do think is true is that Flemeth/Mythal knows what's going on. She's had a long time to plan. I don't think anything that has happened, Solas included, has been unexpected.

 

I think at this point, she's at the stage where the board is set. All she has to do is take a step back, and watch the dominoes fall. 

 

One final thought- the notes make an effort of saying that Fen'Harel would kill anyone [even her], to fix his mistake and help the people. What if that is exactly what she's counting on? By giving him her power, she's essentially making sure that he has the ability to do just that. Kind of like handing a desperate guy a gun, knowing that in the process of achieving his goal, there's a good chance he'll take out someone she hates. 

[Maria13]

The latter ... that Flemeth has been weakening Solas while he slept.  Yeah, he's a her friend but she's completely focused on vengeance/justice.  She'll do whatever it takes to get the outcome she wants and she's a long term planner.

 

 

OK.

 

Further up thread, I speculated that Fen'Harel was Flemythal's creature... That she created him as a sort of guardian/servant/ally but with free will, much as Christians believe god created the angels...

 

And that therefore their purpose or intent is pretty much the same. Hence that final scene between them. So this works for me.

 

What is it called in nature symbiosis? 

[Vorathrad]

I think at this point, she's at the stage where the board is set. All she has to do is take a step back, and watch the dominoes fall. 

 

One final thought- the notes make an effort of saying that Fen'Harel would kill anyone [even her], to fix his mistake and help the people. What if that is exactly what she's counting on? By giving him her power, she's essentially making sure that he has the ability to do just that. Kind of like handing a desperate guy a gun, knowing that in the process of achieving his goal, there's a good chance he'll take out someone she hates. 

 

Precisely. That's what I think too, and that's why she's able to let go of her power (and maybe her existence, we don't know yet) Everything is set and now she only has to wait for Solas to do what she knows he will do no matter what.

 

I'm also very curious as to what this "place" Solas tells Abelas to go is, and where it is. I don't think he's talking only about the gods when he talks about helping "the people"; his line to Abelas may be entirely irrelevant, but it seems to me they are somehow connected.

[Vorathrad]

OK.

 

Further up thread, I speculated that Fen'Harel was Flemythal's creature... That she created him as a sort of guardian/servant/ally but with free will, much as Christians believe god created the angels...

 

And that therefore their purpose or intent is pretty much the same. Hence that final scene between them. So this works for me.

 

What is it called in nature symbiosis? 

 

I'm more on the "uplifted" train tbh Mythal feels more powerful than Fen'Harel, but I get more the major god/minor god vibe (sort of an Athena/Hermes relationship) than the creator/creature one.

[Vorathrad]

I'm curious, because I've seen many people state that Flemeth will live on in Morrigan. How do you know this? The OGB isn't canon and neither is Morrigan drinking from the Well, so she can be entirely free from any influence from Flemeth. She is her child, sure, and somehow her actions seem to be serving her mother plans too; but I'm not so sure she has a wisp of life from her. 

 

(I'm honestly curious, I have the feeling I'm missing something)

[BoscoBread]

Precisely. That's what I think too, and that's why she's able to let go of her power (and maybe her existence, we don't know yet) Everything is set and now she only has to wait for Solas to do what she knows he will do no matter what.

 

I'm also very curious as to what this "place" Solas tells Abelas to go is, and where it is. I don't think he's talking only about the gods when he talks about helping "the people"; his line to Abelas may be entirely irrelevant, but it seems to me they are somehow connected.

I agree with all of you.  Mythal has been nuturing that rage and hunger for vengence for millenia.  She's not going to give up everything she's worked for to go down with the Flemeth-ship.  Where Solas may once again believe he's in control of the situation to only find out later he really never was.   He seems pretty blinded by his grief and desire to forward his goals at this point.  It's gunna be a MESS!

 

If Abelas and his ilk have survived all these years, I would totally believe there are other pockets of ancient elves that have managed to survive through the ages(here's hoping they are just as hot). Maybe other temple guardians. Maybe just powerful elves that managed ward off humans.  A whole hidden society that flourished, - would be pretty incredible.  I doubt it's entirely irrelvant. The implications are too huge. 

[Mims]

I'm more on the "uplifted" train tbh Mythal feels more powerful than Fen'Harel, but I get more the major god/minor god vibe (sort of an Athena/Hermes relationship) than the creator/creature one.

 

It seems like Elgar'nan and Mythal were the major gods of the pantheon. With their children and Gilan'nain/Fen'Harel just below them. 

 

Still powerful though, as both Andruil and Falon'din were able to directly go against their parents.