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[BoscoBread]

I'm curious, because I've seen many people state that Flemeth will live on in Morrigan. How do you know this? The OGB isn't canon and neither is Morrigan drinking from the Well, so she can be entirely free from any influence from Flemeth. She is her child, sure, and somehow her actions seem to be serving her mother plans too; but I'm not so sure she has a wisp of life from her. 

 

(I'm honestly curious, I have the feeling I'm missing something)

I think Flemeth is dead.  Mythal remains and her spirit was what survived(and maybe Flemeth's spirit they may just be totally intertwined at this point).  The power Flemeth/Mythal had was what Solas took - this was my understanding of the dev notes.  Sort of like draining a battery.  So he's not running around with a hitchhiker god soul in his head. Just her power.  -- this is my interpretation.

[Maria13]

It seems like Elgar'nan and Mythal were the major gods of the pantheon. With their children and Gilan'nain/Fen'Harel just below them. 

 

Still powerful though, as both Andruil and Falon'din were able to directly go against their parents.  

 

It's not necessarily power but free will... They are not exactly the same thing. You can have free will but be weak and have power but be a slave...

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[Maria13]

I think Flemeth is dead.  Mythal remains and her spirit was what survived(and maybe Flemeth's spirit they may just be totally intertwined at this point).  The power Flemeth/Mythal had was what Solas took - this was my understanding of the dev notes.  Sort of like draining a battery.  So he's not running around with a hitchhiker god soul in his head. Just her power.  -- this is my interpretation.

 

Mine too.

 

I would further argue that Morrigan is Flemeth's heir... Which is not the same as Flemeth mark II because they are not the same person, but the being chosen to inherit Flemeth's estate or mantle.

[dragondreamer]

I'm curious, because I've seen many people state that Flemeth will live on in Morrigan. How do you know this? The OGB isn't canon and neither is Morrigan drinking from the Well, so she can be entirely free from any influence from Flemeth. She is her child, sure, and somehow her actions seem to be serving her mother plans too; but I'm not so sure she has a wisp of life from her. 

 

(I'm honestly curious, I have the feeling I'm missing something)

 

The dev notes say that Flemeth intends for Morrigan to inherit Mythal's essence.  It's a separate thing from the well, so player decision may not affect whether or not that ends up happening.  Right now, either Solas is carrying it for the time being, or Flemeth placed it elsewhere.  I don't think Morrigan has it yet.

[Vorathrad]

Mine too.

 

I would further argue that Morrigan is Flemeth's heir... Which is not the same as Flemeth mark II because they are not the same person, but the being chosen to inherit Flemeth's estate or mantle.

 

And the one most determined to not follow the path her mother had laid out for her... even if she always ends up doing so (poor Morrigan, I never liked her but after the temple of Mythal I almost pity her) I think Morrigan is on her own now; perhaps she will fill the space left by Mythal as a female power, but on her own terms? 

 

I also get the feeling that Solas has Mythal's power but not her personal spirit, so to say. I would say it's entirely gone, but I also think she would have liked to stay around somehow to witness her revenge finally enacted (maybe with a giant bowl of elven popcorn)

[Vorathrad]

The dev notes say that Flemeth intends for Morrigan to inherit Mythal's essence.  It's a separate thing from the well, so player decision may not affect whether or not that ends up happening.  Right now, either Solas is carrying it for the time being, or Flemeth placed it elsewhere.  I don't think Morrigan has it yet.

 

I knew I was missing something, thanks! I didn't want to know about the dev notes to be spoiler free but I ended up learning about them in little bits of theory discussion xD

 

This is interesting, I wonder if they'll stick to those notes or they will give Morrigan a different role (she will keep showing up and involved in important things, that's for sure)

 

Edit: ToP and I don't have any screenshots! Have a grumpy Solas for those who like him:

 

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[Maria13]

And the one most determined to not follow the path her mother had laid out for her... even if she always ends up doing so (poor Morrigan, I never liked her but after the temple of Mythal I almost pity her) I think Morrigan is on her own now; perhaps she will fill the space left by Mythal as a female power, but on her own terms? 

 

I also get the feeling that Solas has Mythal's power but not her personal spirit, so to say. I would say it's entirely gone, but I also think she would have liked to stay around somehow to witness her revenge finally enacted (maybe with a giant bowl of elven popcorn)

 

People often choose as their heirs persons with whom they share an affinity but with whom they are not necessarily in total agreement.  I always got the vibe that Flemeth approved of Morrigan's independent mindedness and probably saw something of herself in her.

 

I too never cared for Morrigan that much. She may have her work cut out.

 

Also agree on Solas/Mythal they are friends and allies and might well think alike but that does not mean they will be exactly on the same page at the same time... More along the lines of "Mythal slightly approves"

[Cee]

If we take the dev notes at face value, Flemeth/Mythal has been nurturing/building her power because she knew one day Fen'Harel would need it.  How did she know this?  So what if ... now bear with me here ... what if Flemeth was the reason Solas was so weak that he couldn't unlock his own orb after he woke up?  If he couldn't unlock his orb she probably figured he would have to come to her for her power.  Only Solas tried to avoid doing that (because she's his oldest friend) by getting Corypheus to unlock his orb.

 

I think when she tells him he shouldn't have given it, it's likely enough she expected him to come sooner. So I can get on board with this.

[FFZero]

Given that Morrigan is the inheritor of mythal’s essence I wonder if allowing her to drink from the well is the ‘right’ choice or if it's actually a bad thing because Mythal could in theory have greater control over her than she did Flemeth. Also couldn't Solas in theory control whoever drank from the well given that’s he’s got her power now?  

[Mims]

This is interesting, I wonder if they'll stick to those notes or they will give Morrigan a different role (she will keep showing up and involved in important things, that's for sure)

 

I'm guessing Morrigan [and possibly Solas] will share the role of Flemeth in future games. Appearing to appropriately deus ex machina certain events and move the plot forward.

 

I could almost see a second 'pantheon' developing, if the intention of the writers is to put us into conflict with the elven gods. You have Morrigan, Solas, the Inquisitor, and then whoever ends up with the OGS once it finishes doing soul musical chairs. 

 

 

People often choose as their heirs persons with whom they share an affinity but with whom they are not necessarily in total agreement.  I always got the vibe that Flemeth approved of Morrigan's independent mindedness and probably saw something of herself in her.

 

I agree completely. I think the difference between Morrigan and her sister is that Yavana was ultimately Flemeth/Mythal's servant. She's the one who wouldn't hesitate to grab onto Mythal's power if offered.

 

Morrigan is chosen because she is no one's servant, and thus the one most mentally stable to assume the role. Mythal doesn't want to put her gifts into the hands of someone unworthy. 

[BoscoBread]

People often choose as their heirs persons with whom they share an affinity but with whom they are not necessarily in total agreement.  I always got the vibe that Flemeth approved of Morrigan's independent mindedness and probably saw something of herself in her.

 

I too never cared for Morrigan that much. She may have her work cut out.

 

Also agree on Solas/Mythal they are friends and allies and might well think alike but that does not mean they will be exactly on the same page at the same time... More along the lines of "Mythal slightly approves"

I agree completely.   Morrigan is not exactly hungry for power.  She's hungry for knowledge.  Ancient wisdom and protecting it...that's always been her driving force.  Which probably doesn't just jive with Flemeth but with Mythal as well.  Morrigan will be careful about protecting "her".  We see Yavana who seems completely power mad which tends to drive people to do really stupid thing.  She didn't seem like the type that would care or see the true implications of harboring the soul of Mythal. 

[Vorathrad]

People often choose as their heirs persons with whom they share an affinity but with whom they are not necessarily in total agreement.  I always got the vibe that Flemeth approved of Morrigan's independent mindedness and probably saw something of herself in her.

 

 

I'm guessing Morrigan [and possibly Solas] will share the role of Flemeth in future games. Appearing to appropriately deus ex machina certain events and move the plot forward.

 

I could almost see a second 'pantheon' developing, if the intention of the writers is to put us into conflict with the elven gods. You have Morrigan, Solas, the Inquisitor, and then whoever ends up with the OGS once it finishes doing soul musical chairs. 

 

 

 

I agree completely. I think the difference between Morrigan and her sister is that Yavana was ultimately Flemeth/Mythal's servant. She's the one who wouldn't hesitate to grab onto Mythal's power if offered.

 

Morrigan is chosen because she is no one's servant, and thus the one most mentally stable to assume the role. Mythal doesn't want to put her gifts into the hands of someone unworthy. 

 

Completely agree with you both on Morrigan being the worthiest of Flemeth's daughters and the one more similar to her. I'm curious as to which role she will assume, given that she doesn't have a clear cut goal as her mother had (that we know of)

 

I also think Mim's is completely right about Solas and Morrigan taking up the role of Flemeus ex machina (well maybe the Solas way of moving the plot forward will be a little more... messy ahem)

[Vorathrad]

I agree completely.   Morrigan is not exactly HUNGRY for power.  She's hungry for knowledge.  Ancient wisdom and protecting it...that's always been her driving force.  Which probably doesn't just five with Flemeth but Mythal.  Morrigan will be careful about protecting "her".  We see Yavana who seems completely power mad which tends to drive people to do really stupid thing.  She didn't seem like the type that would care or see the true implications of harboring the soul of Mythal. 

 

I don't think she's hungry for power as much as she's not afraid of it and its consequences. But she may also become greedy under the influence of powers much greater than hers, as we see before the Well where she seems to forget Abelas warnings and lets herself go in the promise of the well. She also admits later that in pursuing some things she lost sight of the most important thing, so she's not immune to failure.

 

Maybe it's my old contempt for Morrigan speaking, but I doubt just protecting ancient wisdom is her only goal.

[procutemeister]

(Yikes, I missed 3,000!  )

 

I don't think she's hungry for power as much as she's not afraid of it and its consequences. But she may also become greedy under the influence of powers much greater than hers, as we see before the Well where she seems to forget Abelas warnings and lets herself go in the promise of the well. She also admits later that in pursuing some things she lost sight of the most important thing, so she's not immune to failure.

 

Maybe it's my old contempt for Morrigan speaking, but I doubt just protecting ancient wisdom is her only goal.

 

I agree. I do think that she is somewhat power-hungry, although not to the point of madness. You can see it in Origins, where all the choices she approves of are the ones that net your Warden more power or leave those she considers "weaker" to their own devices. Basically, a Social Darwinist.

[Mims]

(Yikes, I missed 3,000!  )

 

 

I agree. I do think that she is somewhat power-hungry, although not to the point of madness. You can see it in Origins, where all the choices she approves of are the ones that net your Warden more power or leave those she considers "weaker" to their own devices. Basically, a Social Darwinist.

 

I think this is the purpose of Flemeth's test in the situation where Keiran is alive. She offers Morrigan power in exchange for Keiran's life- and passes by showing that, while she does long for power, she is competent enough to draw a line to defend the things she does care about. 

So, she's power hungry- but not starved, and not likely to go mad with power once it is handed to her. 

[Pinax]

*personal ninja post*

 

I disappeared from the forum for a while, as all this beautiful fanart and lots of talented people inspired me to change my life, pick a new hobby and generally I got so excited and I decided to learn to draw and, wee, I'm so happy about it. I'll post here my first successful Solas (still to come , hehe.

[Meer]

I agree completely. I think the difference between Morrigan and her sister is that Yavana was ultimately Flemeth/Mythal's servant. She's the one who wouldn't hesitate to grab onto Mythal's power if offered.

 

Morrigan is chosen because she is no one's servant, and thus the one most mentally stable to assume the role. Mythal doesn't want to put her gifts into the hands of someone unworthy. 

Mm. That Morrigan is the only daughter kept close by Flemeth/Mythal and also the one she entrusts with a goal of utmost importance (acquiring the Old God Soul) is very telling. Though other daughters know more about the cause (as Yavana does), it also seems as though they are flung farther from their mother and given missions of lighter import. These other women are flawed in a variety of ways yet still retain their loyalty and use. But Mythal grooms the most suitable by keeping her close and molding her directly...though, of course, it backfires to some degree.

This just makes me wonder how many daughters Flemeth/Mythal has actually gone through before finding her Morrigan. The selection must have been difficult to make...one she could never be certain would be correct. Did she select Morrigan because time was running out, and there was no more time for another try? Or is Morrigan actually the one she's been waiting for? It's a fascinating thing to consider.

[Mims]

*personal ninja post*

 

I disappeared from the forum for a while, as all this beautiful fanart and lots of talented people inspired me to change my life, pick a new hobby and generally I got so excited and I decided to learn to draw and, wee, I'm so happy about it. I'll post here my first successful Solas (still to come , hehe.

 

That sounds wonderful! I look forward to seeing what comes out of it. Make sure to save all the art you do. You will be surprised by how much you improve over the years! 

[_Lucinia]

Mm. That Morrigan is the only daughter kept close by Flemeth/Mythal and also the one she entrusts with a goal of utmost importance (acquiring the Old God Soul) is very telling. Though other daughters know more about the cause (as Yavana does), it also seems as though they are flung farther from their mother and given missions of lighter import. These other women are flawed in a variety of ways yet still retain their loyalty and use. But Mythal grooms the most suitable by keeping her close and molding her directly...though, of course, it backfires to some degree.

This just makes me wonder how many daughters Flemeth/Mythal has actually gone through before finding her Morrigan. The selection must have been difficult to make...one she could never be certain would be correct. Did she select Morrigan because time was running out, and there was no more time for another try? Or is Morrigan actually the one she's been waiting for? It's a fascinating thing to consider.

I will admit my opinion is biased because I love Morrigan.  She is one of my favorite characters in the series.  I think she may be the daughter she was waiting for.  Power corrupts.  But Morrigan has always seemed to honestly want to preserve the ancient and old ways.  Look at the sacrifice she makes for Kieran, if she drank from the Well.  Morrigan was right that her mother was testing her.  And I think she passed that test.

[procutemeister]

I think this is the purpose of Flemeth's test in the situation where Keiran is alive. She offers Morrigan power in exchange for Keiran's life- and passes by showing that, while she does long for power, she is competent enough to draw a line to defend the things she does care about. 

So, she's power hungry- but not starved, and not likely to go mad with power once it is handed to her. 

 

That's right, I think. I hadn't thought of that scene.

 

 

Mm. That Morrigan is the only daughter kept close by Flemeth/Mythal and also the one she entrusts with a goal of utmost importance (acquiring the Old God Soul) is very telling. Though other daughters know more about the cause (as Yavana does), it also seems as though they are flung farther from their mother and given missions of lighter import. These other women are flawed in a variety of ways yet still retain their loyalty and use. But Mythal grooms the most suitable by keeping her close and molding her directly...though, of course, it backfires to some degree.

This just makes me wonder how many daughters Flemeth/Mythal has actually gone through before finding her Morrigan. The selection must have been difficult to make...one she could never be certain would be correct. Did she select Morrigan because time was running out, and there was no more time for another try? Or is Morrigan actually the one she's been waiting for? It's a fascinating thing to consider.

 

I think that Flemythal would have chosen from whoever of her daughters were alive at the time, and I think she chose Morrigan because of both reasons--no more time, plus she was the best suited. Also possibly because of Kieran who has an OGS, if you did the DR anyway.

[Vorathrad]

Mm. That Morrigan is the only daughter kept close by Flemeth/Mythal and also the one she entrusts with a goal of utmost importance (acquiring the Old God Soul) is very telling. Though other daughters know more about the cause (as Yavana does), it also seems as though they are flung farther from their mother and given missions of lighter import. These other women are flawed in a variety of ways yet still retain their loyalty and use. But Mythal grooms the most suitable by keeping her close and molding her directly...though, of course, it backfires to some degree.

This just makes me wonder how many daughters Flemeth/Mythal has actually gone through before finding her Morrigan. The selection must have been difficult to make...one she could never be certain would be correct. Did she select Morrigan because time was running out, and there was no more time for another try? Or is Morrigan actually the one she's been waiting for? It's a fascinating thing to consider.

 

"Is it fate or chance?"  Perhaps not even Flemeth herself knows for sure, but Morrigan's timing seems to be perfect.

 

I will admit my opinion is biased because I love Morrigan.  She is one of my favorite characters in the series.  I think she may be the daughter she was waiting for.  Power corrupts.  But Morrigan has always seemed to honestly want to preserve the ancient and old ways.  Look at the sacrifice she makes for Kieran, if she drank from the Well.  Morrigan was right that her mother was testing her.  And I think she passed that test.

 

I don't doubt that her desire to preserve the ancient ways is genuine; I completely believed her when she said at the temple that she hates to see the wonders of Thedas destroyed by sheer ignorance or fear of the unkown. That is not inconsistent with her having other goals we know nothing of. I always get the feeling there is something we aren't shown about Morrigan, and I certainly don't think we have been told her full plans. 

[Cecilia]

I think when she tells him he shouldn't have given it, it's likely enough she expected him to come sooner. So I can get on board with this.

 

This makes sense with his fear: dying alone too. If Solas' greatest fear was dying alone, he would have done anything he could to avoid having to take Mythal's power and rendering himself well ... alone.

[Mims]

This just makes me wonder how many daughters Flemeth/Mythal has actually gone through before finding her Morrigan. The selection must have been difficult to make...one she could never be certain would be correct. Did she select Morrigan because time was running out, and there was no more time for another try? Or is Morrigan actually the one she's been waiting for? It's a fascinating thing to consider.

 

This has really been one of my biggest questions. Is it complete fate that Fen'harel wakes up at the same time that Morrigan is alive, or did Flemeth cause him to awaken because she finally had everything she needed? 

 

I do get the sense that Morrigan was carefully bred. With countless daughters, you could afford to min/max your daughter's stats, so to speak. 

[Pinax]

That sounds wonderful! I look forward to seeing what comes out of it. Make sure to save all the art you do. You will be surprised by how much you improve over the years! 

 

Thank you so much! As for keeping drawings: that's my plan, the most motivating thing is I already see an improvement even after 2 weeks of work - I got completely sucked up, I keep drawing all the time. As for now I am practising in sad Lavellans, all Solas attempts are... well require improving But I will make a satisfying Solas, hope sooner than later