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[Meer]

I will admit my opinion is biased because I love Morrigan.  She is one of my favorite characters in the series.  I think she may be the daughter she was waiting for.  Power corrupts.  But Morrigan has always seemed to honestly want to preserve the ancient and old ways.  Look at the sacrifice she makes for Kieran, if she drank from the Well.  Morrigan was right that her mother was testing her.  And I think she passed that test.

 

I believe that this might be the point Mythal could be certain her choice was the right one. At that juncture, Morrigan proves how nuanced she is; her desire to preserve the magical and marvelous overrides her genuine maternal instinct. The only issue I see with this is that if Kieran never was, it raises a question of her motivations. Though it's also possible the only real difference a childless!Morrigan poses is that she does not have an emotional anchor and thus has more room to be daring with her actions.

 

This has really been one of my biggest questions. Is it complete fate that Fen'harel wakes up at the same time that Morrigan is alive, or did Flemeth cause him to awaken because she finally had everything she needed? 

 

I do get the sense that Morrigan was carefully bred. With countless daughters, you could afford to min/max your daughter's stats, so to speak. 

I believe that when the Archdemon appeared, Flemeth/Mythal felt her time was truncated. With her behavior toward Hawke as a case maker, she knew that the Champion would become important to the cause. In this case, we may be able to assume that Flemythal knew that what would come, would come soon. This complicates the question of Fen'harel; he might have caused Flemythal to rush her plans forward, as you say, or she might have wakened him because she'd found all the pieces (a matured Morrigan, the soul, etc).

The min-maxing reminds me of Princess Maker, haha.

[procutemeister]

Thank you so much! As for keeping drawings: that's my plan, the most motivating thing is I already see an improvement even after 2 weeks of work - I got completely sucked up, I keep drawing all the time. As for now I am practising in sad Lavellans, all Solas attempts are... well require improving But I will make a satisfying Solas, hope sooner than later

 

I'm eager to see it! It's great to hear that you've been improving. 

 

Anyway, I have to leave in a hew minutes so I will see you all later. 

[_Lucinia]

 

 

I believe that this might be the point Mythal could be certain her choice was the right one. At that juncture, Morrigan proves how nuanced she is; her desire to preserve the magical and marvelous overrides her genuine maternal instinct. The only issue I see with this is that if Kieran never was, it raises a question of her motivations. Though it's also possible the only real difference a childless!Morrigan poses is that she does not have an emotional anchor and thus has more room to be daring with her actions.

 

I believe that when the Archdemon appeared, Flemeth/Mythal felt her time was truncated. With her behavior toward Hawke as a case maker, she knew that the Champion would become important to the cause. In this case, we may be able to assume that Flemythal knew that what would come, would come soon. This complicates the question of Fen'harel; he might have caused Flemythal to rush her plans forward, as you say, or she might have wakened him because she'd found all the pieces (a matured Morrigan, the soul, etc).

The min-maxing reminds me of Princess Maker, haha.

 

I've always wondered what woke Solas up.  I like the idea that Flemeth woke him up because all of her pieces were in place.  She's been planning something for who knows how long.  I can't help but feel like she's been in control this entire time, plucking all of the strings.  

[Vorathrad]

I believe that this might be the point Mythal could be certain her choice was the right one. At that juncture, Morrigan proves how nuanced she is; her desire to preserve the magical and marvelous overrides her genuine maternal instinct. The only issue I see with this is that if Kieran never was, it raises a question of her motivations. Though it's also possible the only real difference a childless!Morrigan poses is that she does not have an emotional anchor and thus has more room to be daring with her actions.

 

That test isn't there if Kieran doesn't exist; to me, the real deal in that scene, regardless of Kieran/Kieranlessness, is that Morrigan realizes that she doesn't have everything under the control as she thinks. The most important thing about the encounter with Flemeth is not whether she chooses to save Kieran, but the humbling lesson she gets: as much knowledge as she may gain, knowing to put everything in perspective and not losing focus is as important.

 

I do believe Morrigan wouldn't trade knowledge or power for someone she cares about; but she lets so few into her heart that we seldom get the opportunity to witness it, as we did in the Fade scene with Kieran.

[Meer]

I've always wondered what woke Solas up.  I like the idea that Flemeth woke him up because all of her pieces were in place.  She's been planning something for who knows how long.  I can't help but feel like she's been in control this entire time, plucking all of the strings.  

Though I haven't a shred of proof to support me, I've long felt that Solas had no control in waking. There must have been an outside force at play.
 

[snip~]

An excellent point, and one I completely agree with. One part that really illustrates this is in the Kieran/Fade scene, where Morrigan calls after her mother one last time. After she's told she was never in any danger of being taken as a vessel, that moment comes across as "Was I wrong about her all along?" in but one word. It's beautiful.

[Avejajed]

So I'm sitting at work waiting for the minutes counting down to five and I'm all like "Gosh I can't wait to get home and play my new inquisitor!"

Then I start thinking about her and how I wish her forhead wasn't so big and maybe I should have made her eyes more green and now I just want to get home and restart. Again.

[almasy87]

So I'm sitting at work waiting for the minutes counting down to five and I'm all like "Gosh I can't wait to get home and play my new inquisitor!"

Then I start thinking about her and how I wish her forhead wasn't so big and maybe I should have made her eyes more green and now I just want to get home and restart. Again.

 

Black Emporium can't come any sooner.... zzzzzz 
>_<

[Jadestone]

Wow!! Missed the page, but happy 3000!!!

 

 

I can't add art to the celebration, but I guess I can post this solavellan drabble I did a week or two ago

 

Summary:

Spoiler

 

The Elves have lost almost all of their ancient culture. They cling to what fragments remain, teaching themselves a language they can never hope to completely recover. Elvish is already a dialect based largely on the intent of the words spoken—and it is doubly so now that there are so few words to chose from.

This is a super short exploration of some of the different ways Lavellan attempts to express what she feels with so limited a palate, when her emotions are too important for the common tongue (as opposed to Solas, who has mastery of the language but knows no one else is left who might understand him).

 

Some fluff + some pain + I guess technically there is sex, but it's not really... explicit sex. NSFW-ish I guess.

 

on tumblr or AO3

[Elven_Glory]

So I'm sitting at work waiting for the minutes counting down to five and I'm all like "Gosh I can't wait to get home and play my new inquisitor!"

Then I start thinking about her and how I wish her forhead wasn't so big and maybe I should have made her eyes more green and now I just want to get home and restart. Again.

I think I started my most recent playthrough at least 12 times before I finally just said "**** it. This is what she's going to look like." I'm still not completely satisfied, but I don't want to sit through the CC again.

[Mims]

 

 

The min-maxing reminds me of Princess Maker, haha.

 

 

I started this as a joke, until I realized it was complicated to do even as a joke.

 

[BoscoBread]

I started this as a joke, until I realized it was complicated to do even as a joke.

 

<snip>

Morrigan's upbringing doesn't even come close to the level of dysfunction of the upbringing for the princess in that game.  Still love that game so much. 

[Meer]

I started this as a joke, until I realized it was complicated to do even as a joke.

 

Spoiler

I have no words with which to tell you how much I love this. Thank you, haha.
In a Morrigan version, they'd have to change a few statistics to something else, no? She would certainly need a "snarkiness" bar.   
Ah, now I want to play it again.

[Caddius]

Morrigan's upbringing doesn't even come close to the level of dysfunction of the upbringing for the princess in that game.  Still love that game so much. 

I remember reading one madcap Let's Play with a hilariously inept father figure. Going off that, Flemeth was too sentimental. 

So Gaider has said that Morrigan wasn't an atheist. But she seems to dismiss the Maker, with real scorn for the organization of the Chantry, and even dismisses the elven gods. So what does she believe in? Does she believe in the Maker, but on the opposite end of the spectrum from Leliana when it comes to individual interpretation? The Old Gods?

Also, how hard must Flemythal have laughed when she started teaching Morrigan how the Creators weren't real, if she did that? 

[Addai]

Watching that Morrigan-Flemeth scene without a Dark Ritual, I wonder... Morrigan speculates that the entire reason they were led to the Temple was Flemeth's doing. Could she have told Corypheus about the eluvian? Maybe influenced him somehow through the orb?

[Meer]

So Gaider has said that Morrigan wasn't an atheist. But she seems to dismiss the Maker, with real scorn for the organization of the Chantry, and even dismisses the elven gods. So what does she believe in? Does she believe in the Maker, but on the opposite end of the spectrum from Leliana when it comes to individual interpretation? The Old Gods?

Also, how hard must Flemythal have laughed when she started teaching Morrigan how the Creators weren't real, if she did that? 

Perhaps Morrigan is a deist. She may believe in the existence of a power through sheer rationality, without believing any of the possible religions.

[Caddius]

Watching that Morrigan-Flemeth scene without a Dark Ritual, I wonder... Morrigan speculates that the entire reason they were led to the Temple was Flemeth's doing. Could she have told Corypheus about the eluvian? Maybe influenced him somehow through the orb?

She either turns Cory's lieutenant against him, gets Cory himself, or the Inquisitor, or her daughter. It sounds like the kind of plan where she can't lose, so yeah, I see it as likely Flemeth was involved.

Then again, in the non-Kieran playthroughs, she seems surprised at being called to her shrine by the ritual, and finds it hilarious that Morrigan summoned her.

EDIT: Meer: The opposite of Leliana, then? Most of Andrastianism is already pretty deistic, while Leliana's is very involved. Would add even more bite to their mini-debates in Origins.  Maybe something closer to the Ancient Tevene view of the Maker, dismissing Andraste?

[Mims]

Watching that Morrigan-Flemeth scene without a Dark Ritual, I wonder... Morrigan speculates that the entire reason they were led to the Temple was Flemeth's doing. Could she have told Corypheus about the eluvian? Maybe influenced him somehow through the orb?

 

There is some connection between Flemeth and Corypheus. She says that she knows him well. Hard to say what she means by it- although Mythal has been linked to Dumat so much that there's certainly a lot to speculate. 

 

 

 

So Gaider has said that Morrigan wasn't an atheist. But she seems to dismiss the Maker, with real scorn for the organization of the Chantry, and even dismisses the elven gods. So what does she believe in? Does she believe in the Maker, but on the opposite end of the spectrum from Leliana when it comes to individual interpretation? The Old Gods?

 

 

I imagine she has beliefs somewhat similar to Solas. She is aware that there is likely something else out there, but does not desire to look too closely or ensnare their freedom to said entity. Not so much atheist, but agnostic. When the going gets tough they look to the people they care about or themselves for comfort. 

[Vorathrad]

Watching that Morrigan-Flemeth scene without a Dark Ritual, I wonder... Morrigan speculates that the entire reason they were led to the Temple was Flemeth's doing. Could she have told Corypheus about the eluvian? Maybe influenced him somehow through the orb?

 

I think Morrigan credits Flemeth with too little on what she does, and too much on what she doesn't  My idea is that the moment the Inquisitor acquired the Anchor, she knew the Temple was going to be the only option left. Whether she left bits of information for Morrigan to find, I don't know what to think. I highly doubt she would have helped Corypheus, I don't think doing so furthers her cause in any way and it's possible that in the alternate future Morrigan is enslaved or death. I'm more inclined to think she knew Corypheus couldn't win, perhaps she trusted Morrigan to help the Inquisition stop him.

[Riot Inducer]

 

So Gaider has said that Morrigan wasn't an atheist. But she seems to dismiss the Maker, with real scorn for the organization of the Chantry, and even dismisses the elven gods. So what does she believe in? Does she believe in the Maker, but on the opposite end of the spectrum from Leliana when it comes to individual interpretation? The Old Gods?

Also, how hard must Flemythal have laughed when she started teaching Morrigan how the Creators weren't real, if she did that? 

Well it might just be that the Maker is a god whose existence can't be proven in the same way as the Tevinter old gods, they rise in corrupted form during every blight. You might not worship them but you'd be a fool to claim they don't exist, which is generally what the term "atheist" implies.

[Meer]

The opposite of Leliana, then? Most of Andrastianism is already pretty deistic, while Leliana's is very involved. Would add even more bite to their mini-debates in Origins.  Maybe something closer to the Ancient Tevene view of the Maker, dismissing Andraste?

 

Yes! Sorry, I should have clarified. The Chantry seems to hold Andraste as their link to the Maker, some proof that he isn't wholly disconnected from them. Without that link, The Maker indeed would be closer to the watchmaker who sets the gears in motion and then walks away. Like Mims said above, I think that Morrigan and Solas would both prefer to believe in this type of God/power/creator/etc.

[Caddius]

I still don't get the idea of the Vessel.

So Corypheus is aware of the dangers of the Well, or at least aware that there is danger. He seems to think he'll have control over Callie or Sammie when they drink and he'll use that knowledge to enter the Fade physically, as apparently ancient elves would casually do. But why would he have control over them? Does he have any idea about the geas? Was there something in the Shrine of Dumat I missed? Could he have pulled it off?

[Cecilia]

Well it might just be that the Maker is a god whose existence can't be proven in the same way as the Tevinter old gods, they rise in corrupted form during every blight. You might not worship them but you'd be a fool to claim they don't exist, which is generally what the term "atheist" implies.

 

Tbf I think that might depend on how you define "God" - the Maker is a God in the creationist sense so if He exists, then all that exists originates with Him and ends with Him. The Old Gods can simply be viewed as more powerful beings - they're not necessarily God insofar as the source of existence and omnipotent (we know for a fact they aren't omnipotent) - so you can believe in their existence without believing in a creator.

[Siha]

I disappeared from the forum for a while, as all this beautiful fanart and lots of talented people inspired me to change my life, pick a new hobby and generally I got so excited and I decided to learn to draw and, wee, I'm so happy about it. I'll post here my first successful Solas (still to come , hehe.

 

Oh great. You guys made Pinax leave.

 

Then I start thinking about her and how I wish her forhead wasn't so big and maybe I should have made her eyes more green and now I just want to get home and restart. Again.

 

How about you show us a screenshot first and I can tell you all spontaneously how pretty she is (and that you only see her back anyway)? I wanted to rebuild Siha³ every time I saw her face because I had forgotten to pick the better scar. But I did not. (Still annoys me when I look at the screenshots. But I did not.)
 

[Mims]

But why would he have control over them? Does he have any idea about the geas? Was there something in the Shrine of Dumat I missed? Could he have pulled it off?

 

I don't think any of the elven gods are omnipotent. We can look to Felassan and the unknown entity in Masked Empire as likely proof of this- he has to be informed of Felassan's actions. Hence, why Felassan was able to disobey him. We don't know Felassan was under a geas, but I don't think there's anything that suggests that the geas now allows the controller over the well unlimited access to your thoughts. 

 

By that notion, I think Corypheus knew that there was a geas and knew that if he drank himself whatever entity controlled the well could potentially use it against him. But by having a servant drink, he could milk them for whatever information he could obtain before said god figured it out and intervened. [If they even did.] 

 

Not to mention- if it backfires, he doesn't really lose anything but a powerful servant. 

[Avejajed]

Oh great. You guys made Pinax leave.


How about you show us a screenshot first and I can tell you all spontaneously how pretty she is (and that you only see her back anyway)? I wanted to rebuild Siha³ every time I saw her face because I had forgotten to pick the better scar. But I did not. (Still annoys me when I look at the screenshots. But I did not.)

Maybe that's a good idea. I don't think she's ready for the creepy v pretty thread. That place is my "I can't get this inquisitor right"'s worst nightmare.