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[flabbadence]

Did they go on about the eroding part? I thought they just meant that the keys had been lost, so they couldn't be used anymore. Then again, jawsi said oyu needed to be a mage so maybe I just never heard that.

 

What do you think, why did Corypheus need to access the Fade/Crossroads at all? What did he need the old gods for? (Assuming he wanted to get to them.)

 

Yeah, we're just bringing that up as a possibility based on what the Inquisitor said. I just find the blighted eluvians worrisome.

 

About Corypheus... Hrm. Does he ever mention what he was expecting to find in the Black City in the first place, before the Blight? I remember him saying Dumat had whispered to him, and I know he wasn't expecting the place to be tainted. But did he ever mention what exactly Dumat had told him he would see there? Just the golden city, or Dumat himself, or the Maker?

[jawsisinmywc]

It's been said so many times, but for some reason when I read Alli's crossroads eroding speculation it filled me with utter dread.

Nooo, don't get filled with dread. The crossroads will just be replaced with the blanket fort and Solas will be there waiting.

[FFZero]

Probably because the likelihood of Solas derping into another catastrophe is extremely high. And the potential for the other elven gods to be future villains is also high. 

 

I am almost willing to bet money that Solas accidentally/intentionally releases one of them and this does not go well for anyone. 

 

If so then this potentially bodes well for having more games with us playing as the inquisitor and reuniting with Solas of course, though depending on what happens this could just end up adding even more angst to their love story already. 

[flabbadence]

Btw now that you mention blighted eluvians...does this mean eluvians are alive as well?

 

I think so. I once theorized they were made from lyrium, but that's supposing lyrium already existed during Arlathan, which may not be true considering the Fade and the Veil and the Void might have been very different back then. More likely, they're made from whatever material was used to create the gods' foci, though what that is, I have no idea.

[jawsisinmywc]

If so then this potentially bodes well for having more games with us playing as the inquisitor and reuniting with Solas of course, though depending on what happens this could just end up adding even more angst to their love story already. 

I actually really hope we get to keep playing as the Inquisitor. I am really attached to all my Inquisitors, way more so than my HoFs and Hawkes.

Also, someone had mentioned on this thread a while back that Weekes had expressed interest in continuing writing the Solas romance. Am I just wishfully thinking or does anyone know where he said something like that?

[Siha]

About Corypheus... Hrm. Does he ever mention what he was expecting to find in the Black City in the first place, before the Blight? I remember him saying Dumat had whispered to him, and I know he wasn't expecting the place to be tainted. But did he ever mention what exactly Dumat had told him he would see there? Just the golden city, or Dumat himself, or the Maker?

 

I don't think he did... He was rather vague about his ideas in general.

But isn't Dumat the Maker anyway?

(Or an incarnation of him or something.)

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Mims]

You know, I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware actually pushed through with this idea...

 

It fits fairly well with what the game seems to be leading towards. We have the first few games building up Fen'Harel as a mythological figure. But if he was real, then he wasn't a good guy. Then we have Masked Empire and Inquisition that flips the theory around again: Fen'Harel might not have been a good guy, but the ancient elves were also not all that great of a people.

 

Which leads to the end of Inquisition, where we learn that the other elven gods were really not good people. 

 

We know that Mythal/Flemeth has been preparing for a threat. We know the blight is out on the wings. We have the Inquisitor, who is arguably the strongest player character we've had in terms of unique abilities. Who could even be stronger than we realize. We also have the developer notes with Morrigan implying she's also due for a character power upgrade. 

 

That, along with some of the foreshadowing that has been done throughout all the games with the corrupted eluvians seems to imply to me that they are planning on having at least one of the other elven gods back to make trouble. And they are appropriately scaling the powers of those who might be involved with the conflict. 

[Avejajed]

I don't think he did... He was rather vague about his ideas in general.
But isn't Dumat the Maker anyway?
(Or an incarnation of him or something.)

I thought the Vints didn't believe the gods were the creator (s)? Dont they worship the Maker now too?

[Ajna]

I actually really hope we get to keep playing as the Inquisitor. I am really attached to all my Inquisitors, way more so than my HoFs and Hawkes.

Also, someone had mentioned on this thread a while back that Weekes had expressed interest in continuing writing the Solas romance. Am I just wishfully thinking or does anyone know where he said something like that?

Wait, what? He said that? Find the source Alli, quick! *holds breath*

[nikki-tikki]

Also, someone had mentioned on this thread a while back that Weekes had expressed interest in continuing writing the Solas romance. Am I just wishfully thinking or does anyone know where he said something like that?

This is a thing right?? THIS HAS TO BE A THING TELL ME ITS TRUE!!!!

[BoscoBread]

I actually really hope we get to keep playing as the Inquisitor. I am really attached to all my Inquisitors, way more so than my HoFs and Hawkes.

Also, someone had mentioned on this thread a while back that Weekes had expressed interest in continuing writing the Solas romance. Am I just wishfully thinking or does anyone know where he said something like that?

I don't see why he wouldn't. Unless this game tanked(and we know it didn't) - Solas is a MAJOR character(with/without the romance).  So if he pops up again and you romanced him, I would hope they would at the very least have the characters mention it.  That would be so lazy if they didn't.   I think it'll be more than a passing mention though.  As much as Friend!Solas is very important, the romanced Inquisitor is going to mean something different for him.  For the first time in his life - or the first time in a long time - he allowed himself to be selfish.  So when you confront him again, you'll be able to see him dealing with that internal conflict...which would be interesting for his character.

[flabbadence]

I don't think he did... He was rather vague about his ideas in general.

But isn't Dumat the Maker anyway?

(Or an incarnation of him or something.)

 

Hrm. I'm going to go with Gaider's essay then. According to him, the Old Gods are independent from the Maker (though the Canticle of Silence says they're his first children. still makes them separate). Ancient Tevinter did believe in the Maker, but they worshiped the Old Gods because the dragons they could actually interact with. They could talk to them in dreams, and learn magic from them. The Maker, on the other hand, was this distant Creator that didn't seem to care about the world he had built.

 

So I'm going with the Chantry version, that the Old Gods did in fact tell their priests to enter the Golden City to claim the Maker's throne, so the Old Gods could finally rule in his place. I now remember Corypheus does talk about a throne after all, when he confronts the Inquisitor ("I have seen the throne of the gods, and it was empty" if I remember it right). Only, aside from the throne, there was the Blight as well.

 

Perhaps the second time then, he was thinking, now that he's Blighted anyway, there's nothing in the Black City that can harm him anymore, and he'll be able to take the throne he was supposed to claim for Dumat for himself instead, since they were tricked and abandoned by the Old Gods anyway.

[Caddius]

I thought the Vints didn't believe the gods were the creator (s)? Dont they worship the Maker now too?

The Black Chantry worships the Maker nowadays, but the Maker was a largely forgotten ancient cult by the time of Corypheus.

I believe his statement of 'Once I breached the Black City in service of another, to serve the Old Gods of the Imperium in person," indicates that the Black City Invasion was the equivalent of busting down your grandmother's door when she's unresponsive to see if she's okay.

So either the Old Gods themselves, or just their power. They seem to have thought that the Old Gods, wandering the Fade as they tended to do, had the Golden City as their palace.

"Beg that I succeed, for I have seen the throne of the gods, and it was empty!" Again, it's not 'god'. Andrastians believe the Golden City is the Maker's, the ancient Tevinter Imperium thought it belonged to the Old Gods, the elves thought it was the Creators' Eternal City, and the dwarves didn't give a nug-squirt. I guess it adds that air of legitimacy to your religion.

[flabbadence]

The Black Chantry worships the Maker nowadays, but the Maker was a largely forgotten ancient cult by the time of Corypheus.

I believe his statement of 'Once I breached the Black City in service of another, to serve the Old Gods of the Imperium in person," indicates that the Black City Invasion was the equivalent of busting down your grandmother's door when she's unresponsive to see if she's okay.

So either the Old Gods themselves, or just their power. They seem to have thought that the Old Gods, wandering the Fade as they tended to do, had the Golden City as their palace.

"Beg that I succeed, for I have seen the throne of the gods, and it was empty!" Again, it's not 'god'. Andrastians believe the Golden City is the Maker's, the ancient Tevinter Imperium thought it belonged to the Old Gods, the elves thought it was the Creators' Eternal City, and the dwarves didn't give a nug-squirt. I guess it adds that air of legitimacy to your religion.

 

If we're going by semantics, it's not 'thrones' either 

[Ajna]

They have to SHARE a throne?

[jawsisinmywc]

It fits fairly well with what the game seems to be leading towards. We have the first few games building up Fen'Harel as a mythological figure. But if he was real, then he wasn't a good guy. Then we have Masked Empire and Inquisition that flips the theory around again: Fen'Harel might not have been a good guy, but the ancient elves were also not all that great of a people.

 

Which leads to the end of Inquisition, where we learn that the other elven gods were really not good people. 

 

We know that Mythal/Flemeth has been preparing for a threat. We know the blight is out on the wings. We have the Inquisitor, who is arguably the strongest player character we've had in terms of unique abilities. Who could even be stronger than we realize. We also have the developer notes with Morrigan implying she's also due for a character power upgrade. 

 

That, along with some of the foreshadowing that has been done throughout all the games with the corrupted eluvians seems to imply to me that they are planning on having at least one of the other elven gods back to make trouble. And they are appropriately scaling the powers of those who might be involved with the conflict. 

I honestly got the feeling that Inquisition was also a build up. I mean you establish this huge organization and fight this enemy that is supposed to be a really big nasty, but then the end fight with him is just a bit anti-climactic. I guess it just feels like a bigger-badder could be on its way?

 

Wait, what? He said that? Find the source Alli, quick! *holds breath*

 

 

This is a thing right?? THIS HAS TO BE A THING TELL ME ITS TRUE!!!!

I have been searching for anything like this and have come up with nothing. I am hoping whoever mentioned this pops back up on the thread. I really hope I didn't just seed some gossip that isn't true. I'm gonna go back to scouring the internets for info.

[Ajna]

I bet that's what they fought over really...

Someone needs to make a thing.

[Caddius]

If we're going by semantics, it's not 'thrones' either 

I interpreted throne as Coryflora being poetic. The bastion of Old God power, their citadel of magical superiority, their man-cave, their flat, that kind of thing. 

Though the image of seven blighted gods crowded into one giant throne is certainly something to contemplate. 

Regardless, Corypheus seems to have thought that the Golden City was home to the Old Gods. The existential horror that drives him is that where he believed his gods lived and spoke to him from, was in fact, a nightmarish prison for the Blight. There wouldn't be a crisis of faith on that level if he thought it was the Maker's. Then he'd be all, "Man, I'm glad I'm an Old God worshiper. That Maker is so...unsanitary. That's no way to treat your guests, even if they are uninvited." That's just my interpretation of the information that we have, though. *shrug*

[Mims]

I honestly got the feeling that Inquisition was also a build up. I mean you establish this huge organization and fight this enemy that is supposed to be a really big nasty, but then the end fight with him is just a bit anti-climactic. I guess it just feels like a bigger-badder could be on its way?

 

 

That too! There's a lot with the Inquisition that didn't quite feel finished. Even Skyhold itself is still a great ball of mystery. There's also the fact that Blackwall is the only party member you can kill. All of the others could show up in a second game or expansion with little problem, just change their intro dialogue if they weren't recruited or left in a rage. 

[flabbadence]

I bet that's what they fought over really...

Someone needs to make a thing.

 

Urthemiel: This is my seat!

 

Zazikel: No, this is my seat!

 

Andoral: Urgh. Why don't we just call our priests over here and have them decide?

 

Lucasan: Or we could Blight them, and whoever's priest survives the longest gets to sit on the throne.

 

Dumat: *silent approval*

[Colonelkillabee]

I don't think he did... He was rather vague about his ideas in general.

But isn't Dumat the Maker anyway?

(Or an incarnation of him or something.)

Nay, there's a lot of things the maker could be. But I do like the idea of Dumat having influence from the maker as the god of silence. But the Tevints believe in the maker separately.

 

I do think it was he that was whispering to Old God Baby Andraste though, not the maker.

[Caddius]

Nay, there's a lot of things the maker could be. But I do like the idea of Dumat having influence from the maker as the god of silence. But the Tevints believe in the maker separately.

 

I do think it was he that was whispering to Old God Baby Andraste though, not the maker.

That doesn't necessarily rule it out. The Maker was largely forgotten by mainstream Vints.

It's like an actor that does a memorable one-shot character on a beloved show in his twenties, then switches to doing mostly theater work.

Fifty years later, he becomes a legendary cranky old man character actor with dozens of television roles. But most people forget his earlier stuff, since he changed his stage name to sound less exotic.

(That being said I don't buy the Maker=Dumat. Just some of the Dumat=Andraste's Ride-Along Soul.  Which is kind of the same thing, but not. Oh, you know what I mean. )

[flabbadence]

I interpreted throne as Coryflora being poetic. The bastion of Old God power, their citadel of magical superiority, their man-cave, their flat, that kind of thing. 

Though the image of seven blighted gods crowded into one giant throne is certainly something to contemplate. 

Regardless, Corypheus seems to have thought that the Golden City was home to the Old Gods. The existential horror that drives him is that where he believed his gods lived and spoke to him from, was in fact, a nightmarish prison for the Blight. There wouldn't be a crisis of faith on that level if he thought it was the Maker's. Then he'd be all, "Man, I'm glad I'm an Old God worshiper. That Maker is so...unsanitary. That's no way to treat your guests, even if they are uninvited." That's just my interpretation of the information that we have, though. *shrug*

 

I think the Old Gods leading them on with promises of power and prestige only to abandon them to the Blight's betrayal enough to provoke a crisis of faith, even if the Golden City wasn't their realm. But it's not like we have anything solid right now 

[flabbadence]

That doesn't necessarily rule it out. The Maker was largely forgotten by mainstream Vints.

It's like an actor that does a memorable one-shot character on a beloved show in his twenties, then switches to doing mostly theater work.

Fifty years later, he becomes a legendary cranky old man character actor with dozens of television roles. But most people forget his earlier stuff, since he changed his stage name to sound less exotic.

(That being said I don't buy the Maker=Dumat. Just some of the Dumat=Andraste's Ride-Along Soul.  Which is kind of the same thing, but not. Oh, you know what I mean. )

 

Best metaphor ever