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[Colonelkillabee]

We don't have to play a demigod every time. New problems, new hero. But I recognize this is a matter of taste and some will say "do want." I just vote "don't want." To me the Inquisition is a limited time only proposition and even Lavellan has better things to do than be tool of Orlesians, Chantry folk, or whoever will try to use it after the world is saved. And I like Lavellan, but she belongs to this game, not DA4, IMO.

I'm all for a less grandiose hero, especially since I already feel like quizzy is on the fast track to godhood now....

But this is bioware we're talking about. Even hawke was supposed to be this larger than life character, and we only got something different because they changed plans, which really just left us with a character we're supposed to believe is badass.... But eh.

They're going to make sues. May as well limit the number and let me further develop relationships with characters so we can have mass effect level development and interactions.

[Colonelkillabee]

There is no real Hawke but sarcastic Hawke. All the other Hawkes are imposters.
Never felt closer to any BW protagonist before or since (because there have been so many since).

Thank you. The only hawke that was even remotely entertaining and had character.

[Abelas Forever!]

Though I never played female hawke, sarcastic hawke was deliciously cheesy. Expectations of being the champion of kirkwall and finding out their deeds do not embody their personality. Sometimes it's cringing but it makes them out as a dork.

You liked sarcastic male Hawke? I haven't played as male Hawke so maybe his way of being sarcastic is different and I would like it more.

[Addai]

It’s difficult to tell what Bioware intend to do with our quizzies. On the one hand it wouldn’t make a great deal of sense to not use them again in the next game given the plots/choices that have been set up, especially the likes of the well of sorrows choice but I can also see why they would want to use a new protagonist, it would make things a fair bit easier for them and allow them a little more freedom with characters. However Bioware have seemingly gone out of their way to not tie up loose ends and at least imply to a degree that the inquisitors story isn’t over and that the inquisition is just going to keep growing in power and influence. I can't see why they would do this if they don't intend to use them again.

Well, there are also hints that the future of the Inquisition is dark if it continues, and that would be in keeping with past plots as well like with the Grey Wardens. So if you're a fan of the Inquisition, wanting them to continue might have unintended consequences. As will disbanding it, for that matter. I wouldn't have it any other way, really.

[Felya87]

The Warden and the Inquisitor are my most loved protagonist in the DA serie.

Hawke? Hawke who? the character for whom I had to choose always the same icon to not have her sound like a schizophrenic, for so much different where the voices in the answers? forgetting all the roleplayng? The food for the fear deamon? no, thanks. No Hawke- like characters for me. Ever again.

 

I prefer a little flattiness in voice (not that I really hear it, the little benefits of playng a game in a language you don't speak. Still can't really hear what is the differents in accent. for me is all english) than preimposted, forced personalities. Take away the roleplay element for me. If I want an "already done" protagonist, I'm going to play an adventure game like The last of us, Uncharted or any non-RPG game.

 

Than for the next game: depending on how the DLC will work, and how much would resolve of the various question that DAI have presented, I'll see if a new protagonist woul fit or no. For now, a new protagonist would annoy me quite a bit. The Inquisition have just reborn, and even with a new Divine, the world still need the Inquisition forces while templars, Circles, and Seekers reform.

And as I see it, the Inquisition can still be around forever, just as the Warden have done for centuries. A force that stay there, vigilant and ready to keep an eye on the others powers.

[BoscoBread]

I haven't a clue how I got this far without realizing my agent had the same voice as Hawke.   I was pretty wrapped up with Vector at the time, but still.

Vector-mance!  Ugh...I am so angry that the game is an MMO. I would replay that romance 1000x except that I would have slog through hundreds of hours to even deal with it.  Vector is proto-Solas.  That whole storyline - the agent one - was just fun. 

 

I'm disappointed Hawke wasn't very...sarcastic. I don't know if it was Jo or the lines. Probably both.

 

Yeah. She sounded so beat.  And I was like 'buck up Hawke! Can't you just snark off at something, ANYTHING?'

[Cecilia]

I dunno.  Hawke did a lot of things in DA2...and I'm not sure how many of them counted as "succeeding." 

 

Personally, I liked the deconstruction they did in DA2, the idea that sometimes even an extraordinary individual can fail.  Yes, in terms of the narrative, there wasn't a lot of player control over the events of the game.  Leandra always dies, the Arishok always goes nuclear, the mage-templar war always ignites.  But it made for some really, really interesting roleplaying reacting to all the crazy s*** that happens to poor Hawke.  I kind of miss that; the Inquisitor is more of a classic hero, and that's great, but I miss how DA2 shook up the formula, so to speak.

 

 

I actually though DA:I did a really good job with this~ I really enjoyed the WT missions and it made sense since your Inquizzy was supposed to be more of a political leader more/less than a Hero or Champion so it's less personal, but more impactful in a societal, cost/impact ratio type of way. There was a lot of room for failure if you didn't play your cards correctly for WT missions:

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my first time through I got all the GW killed because I chose the wrong advisers and had to reload and redo the entire chain bc heartbreak

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on my templar-recruitment play through I chose to delay sending them in to investigate some demon shenanigans because I thought it was a trap and it ended up almost getting the entire town wiped out 

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and ofc the Dalish elf chain of one mistake cost me my entire clan kthxbai

 

It's a more sanitized version of failure which is really the case for most political leaders, which is what the whole notes in the Fade thing is supposed to drive home - ohai there are people you failed to save or who die for your cause/because of your decisions glhf living with that, and it's ultimately left up to the player how deeply you want to feel the failures

 

I think my Warden will always be my favorite, but I like my other PCs too.

 

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I would love it if the Warden ever showed up on a griffon tho.  Because griffons. X3

 

Wynne shouldn't be dead, she needs to know.

 

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there is this random banter of Cullen saying Morrigan promised him if he wished hard enough to the eluvian a fleet of griffon would appear under his command and he's all snarky but then he's like "... will it?" which could be just random cheek orrrrrrrr   We all know Cullen would love the griffons he's such a big boy inside

[HurricaneGinger]

Vector-mance!  Ugh...I am so angry that the game is an MMO. I would replay that romance 1000x except that I would have slog through hundreds of hours to even deal with it.  Vector is proto-Solas.  That whole storyline - the agent one - was just fun. 

 

I'm afraid to admit how many times I've watched his romance. XD

[Patchwork]

Forget DAO2 SWTOR is the origins game I want to play, I kept  wanting to save so I could explore the dialogue options. I was genuinely upset when I found out I missed a major romance option with Andronikus Revel.

[Uirebhiril]

 

I love the Warden and the Inquisitor more because I got to build up their personality and background more than Hawke's. Hawke felt like BioWare's character - which, you know, is fine. That story needed to be told to build up to other events. But I couldn't build on anything other than personality. I still love my Hawkes, but yeah. XD

 

I see people say that a lot and find it a bit confusing. While it's true Hawke is always going to have the same parents, same siblings, flee from Lothering, fight an ogre, and escape to Kirkwall, it never felt like I was constrained by that. There was plenty of wiggle room to make up a personalized backstory and play the character appropriately, even if I couldn't headcanon them to have a tragic beginning where their parents are slaughtered and they were raised by Avvar barbarians and betrothed to the chieftain's daughter or whatever.

 

For me at least, it was kind of neat to have a story where I had a family I could interact with and have some basic history in place already, and having the different personality response options helped too. Your Hawke was diplomatic and kind? Great. Was that because she had a loving family life and was a gentle happy soul, or was it because she felt desperately that she had to "be good" to make up for the situation her parents ended up in by virtue of having been conceived? Is Hawke just an angry little **** because he's seen enough to lose faith in people, or is it because he has a serious loathing for his life and blames his mage sister?

 

Either way, I felt satisfied with both the Warden and Hawke's stories and would have been content only hearing mention of them doing warden-y things, leading Kirkwall, or having disappeared due to being a terrorist. I don't feel satisfied with how the Inquisitor's story ended by the conclusion of DAI and really, really hope that will be delivered. DLC, expansion, DA4, I dun' care... it just needs to be done for me to be truly happy with the game.

[Avejajed]

I prefer Hawke to Warden and Inquisitor to Hawke. But I'm weird and adored DA2. A lot.

My problem with disbanding the Inquisition is...what would our inquisitor do? Go back to being a regular guy? Not ever.

And as far as the inquisition going dark, I think they would only allow that if your inquisitor left or they gave you the option to make it that way by being a dick.

[Siha]

Thank you. The only hawke that was even remotely entertaining and had character.

 

"Remotely"? You're either mocking me or looking for trouble...?

 

[Meer]

Vector-mance!  Ugh...I am so angry that the game is an MMO. I would replay that romance 1000x except that I would have slog through hundreds of hours to even deal with it.  Vector is proto-Solas.  That whole storyline - the agent one - was just fun. 

I was just thinking about that the other day. It would have been nice if they could have released a single player version, much as I realize it's not viable. Vector-romance was my favorite, but as you say the agent storyline was just awesome in general. He was like sweet, Killik-y icing on the undercover cake. I also rather liked the Quinn-mance on the Sith Warrior, except the ending. ...Putting the two together, I think it was a forgone conclusion I'd like Solas, haha. 

[Patchwork]

It'll never happen because the Inquisitor is a Player Character but all it would really take for the quizzy to burned at the stake is for someone in the know to reveal the truth about how they got the Anchor and that it was a spirit in the breach not Andraste. 

[Colonelkillabee]

"Remotely"? You're either mocking me or looking for trouble...?

I think I would like you angry, actually it works for Cassandra very well.

And yes, sarcastic hawke is best hawke.

[Avejajed]

It'll never happen because the Inquisitor is a Player Character but all it would really take for the quizzy to burned at the stake is for someone in the know to reveal the truth about how they got the Anchor and that it was a spirit in the breach not Andraste.

Can't you tell the truth? In a dialogue with Josephine?

[Avejajed]

I think I would like you angry, actually it works for Cassandra very well.

And yes, sarcastic hawke is best hawke.

I said it first. *pinches*

[FFZero]

Can't you tell the truth? In a dialogue with Josephine?

 

 

Yeah but she basically tells you to keep quiet about it and let people think it really was andraste.  

[_Lucinia]

Vector-mance!  Ugh...I am so angry that the game is an MMO. I would replay that romance 1000x except that I would have slog through hundreds of hours to even deal with it.  Vector is proto-Solas.  That whole storyline - the agent one - was just fun. 

 

 

Yeah. She sounded so beat.  And I was like 'buck up Hawke! Can't you just snark off at something, ANYTHING?'

I remember back when I got invited to the first Beta Weekend for SWTOR.  I was sooooo sure I was going to play a Jedi.  I almost always play the "evil" faction (Horde player in WoW) so I was determined not to get suckered into that with SWTOR.  Imperial Agent, on paper, didn't interest me in the slightest, so to not spoil myself on what I assumed was going to be my character when the game released, I played the IA.  As soon as she opened her mouth and I heard Jo Wyatt's voice coming out, all those plans went down the toilet.  I've played every class in the game.  And the IA is still my favorite.  Funny how that turned out.

 

I love AWR as the Inquisitor.  My love for ME and Traynor makes me a bit biased towards her.  I assume BioWare decided to have some of the dialogue be neutral because of the backlash from people that hated how much personality Hawke had.  I only noticed her sounding like a robot for asking questions about lore stuff.  When it came to having emotion, and reacting to things, she was always amazing, to me at least.  Hawke will always have a special place in my heart.  It's hard for me to choose between Hawke and Inquisitor at this point, as my fave DA protagonist.  I have a hard time feeling as attached to my Warden because she lacked a voice.  I envy folks that can headcanon and build up an entire personality and history.  With the Warden I was more attached to her companions than I was to her.

Yeah Hawke felt a bit off, but I chalked that up to being on the run, and just being worn out.  She's been through a lot.  Plus I can't imagine her being exactly ecstatic that the Tevinter Magister she thought she killed is back and ruining the world.  

Oh to make this more on topic!  So I took a break from the game for a few weeks, and did yet another run through of the ME games as kind of like a palette cleanser.  I am finally getting around to finishing my canon Nightmare playthrough.  I did 99.999999% of the side stuff (everything but one bottle and a couple mosiac tiles) so I am starting What Pride Had Wrought.  Not looking forward to what comes right after.  I will probably be back in here with you guys sobbing over Solas ripping out my heart for the second time.  Gah I need to stop typing.  I have to go pick up my niece from school and I am not dressed or anything.

[Meer]

Can't you tell the truth? In a dialogue with Josephine?

If I remember correctly, no matter what you answer with whomever asks, you're basically forced to continue telling the people that it was the Divine/Andraste, etc. There was one dialogue option in particular, with Loghain or whichever Warden pops out of the Fade. Should you choose that you're planning on coming clean about the mark and Justinia, he's basically like "No don't do that, it'll give your people hope."

[faeofthefellwood]

Regarding Hawke not feeling as much like my character . . . Well, I always prefer being able to choose my race, but that isn't a deal breaker necessarily. I played tons of Neverwinter Nights/2 mods that restricted race, class, and/or backstory and still got really attached to my characters. I think it was the way personality was handled, honestly. I did try to develop my Hawke as the game progressed (starting with a sarcastic personality and going darker as everything fell apart), but the three personality paths thing just felt a bit restrictive.

However, I'm one of those people who usually prefers silent PC's, so there's that.

[Patchwork]

Can't you tell the truth? In a dialogue with Josephine?

 

I'm not sure about Josie but both Hawke and Mother Giselle poo poo the idea of revealing the truth. Jose is hugely invested in the Inquisition having a future I don't see even her advising telling the masses what really happened to the Inquisitor.    

[Cecilia]

It'll never happen because the Inquisitor is a Player Character but all it would really take for the quizzy to burned at the stake is for someone in the know to reveal the truth about how they got the Anchor and that it was a spirit in the breach not Andraste. 

 

It would almost be Andraste all over again Maker help us D:

 

Inquizzy changes Solas' mind about the shemlen and he begins to think maybe this world is worth preserving after all, then we go and burn her at the stake as a heretic and he's just like NOPEJKLETTHEWORLDBURN *tears down Veil unleashes the Elven gods* /cue DA4 with Solas as antagonist

[Sable Rhapsody]

Yeah but she basically tells you to keep quiet about it and let people think it really was andraste.  

 

Only time in the game I've ever wanted to yell at Josie.  Or rather, have my Lavellan yell at Josie.

 

After Adamant, Mother Giselle said something like, "Do you feel vindicated, since you never believed you were chosen by Andraste?"  And I wish there had been an option for my Lavellan to yell "HELL YEAH F***ERS" and run all over Skyhold celebrating like a maniac.  But alas, no such option existed 

 

For my Lavellan, knowing that the Anchor was basically dumb luck took a huge weight off her shoulders.  No potential divine mandate, no Damocles sword hanging over her head.  She was free after that to just do whatever she thought was right without worrying if someone else was pushing her actions.  Having the Inquisition essentially perpetuate a lie by omission bothered her so much, and I'm pretty sure it took a concerted effort of her entire Inner Circle to get her to shut up and play ball.

[procutemeister]

To me, Hawke was more of their own character, which I honestly don't mind but I can see how people might be bothered by it since that means less roleplaying. Still, I really liked how Hawke felt more emotional/active in cutscenes.

 

Regarding the Anchor, my Lavellan was intensely relieved/happy that the Mark didn't come from Andraste. She was annoyed that she wouldn't be able to tell people that, but saw how it was important for her to keep her power and position.