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[Cecilia]

Coryflora'd make an excellent BOB then

 

I read that as Cauliflower and now that's all I want to call him.

 

ALL SHALL BOW TO THE ELDER ONE, CAULIFLOWER *dundundun*

[almasy87]

Note to self, make Special Agent Cooper Inquisitor. They would probably be constantly taking notes for Josesphine.

Also:

"Damn fine tea!"
[Solas Slightly Disapproves]

http://www.flickerin...dale-cooper.jpg

:|

[Addai]

What she said.
I see the Inquisition as the new form of the Chantry, with the bureaucracy and clergy of the old Chantry dancing to the Inquisition's tune. Not in the Andrastian sense, but in that it is the foundation of Southern Theodosian society. It's acquired enough political capital by the end of the game to push their candidate through for the position of Divine, and the Chantry and the Orlesian Empire have thrown their hats in with them to save themselves from total collapse. Ferelden sees them as allies. They have soldiers everywhere, and everyone owes them favors. It's very easy to see the Inquisition continuing on for some years, before eventually being absorbed into the new, specialized forces for stability, like the original Inquisition being dissolved so that it could better support the Nevarran Accord. A new world order, basically. I could also, somewhat, see it persisting as a UN like force.

If so, someone else can run it, then. My PC has the anchor and intended to stop Corypheus- that's all she promised and all she's going to do.

I don't see anyone continuing to pay the Inquisition for the privilege of meddling in everyone's affairs once the threat of the Breach is over, but to each her own post-game headcanon.
 

I'm genuinely curious. What makes a character multi-dimensional that they lack, do you think?

The DA2 companions are walking issues megaphones and/or pushed into contrived situations in order to make them "plot relevant." They don't feel like real people. I also think the friendship/ rivalry and all-bi-LI mechanics made them seem too gamey rather than like real agents.

I had forgotten how much more upbeat Varric was. And how hard I rolled my eyes at Merrill's naivete. And how much I wanted to smack Fenris and Anders lol.

Yeah, I'm really not liking either Fenris or Anders this time, nor Merrill. Nor Isabela. But Varric... at least there's Varric.

[CapricornSun]

Right? That was the key for me, too. It also became difficult to play a non-mage Hawke for me, since I got so used to Carver. What do you end up doing with him, by the way? I can never decide whether it's more interesting to make him Templar or Warden, but after Inquisition I'm terrified for him either way. 
 

 

Same here. My male Hawke is a warrior so naturally, Bethany was my surviving sibling. She's sweet, but a bit boring compared to Carver. (Though I love Varric's nickname 'Sunshine' for her because that's my nickname IRL. )

 

In my canon DA2 PT with female mage Hawke, Carver was a Grey Warden. It was kind of by accident because I didn't know that he was gonna get the Blight when I brought him to the expedition. Good thing I had Anders with me during that time because I was able to save his life by making him a Warden. Sure, it's not the best life but I wanted my grumpy baby brother to live. ;___; 

 

Especially if the Inquisitor is a redhead, no?   He seemed to like them.

 

You mean because of what he said about Tallis? I'll admit, I got annoyed when he started saying she was cute.   I was like, "No, no, no! You were crushing on Merrill, remember?"

 

And for the record, I didn't like Tallis. xD 

[faeofthefellwood]

The DA2 companions, with the exceptions of Varric and maybe Aveline, are incredibly polarizing and seem to have been designed to contrast harshly with each other. I did like them as a cast alright, and find the patterns of who players liked or disliked to be interesting. For example, I'm not very keen on Fenris (blasphemy, I know), though I find him sympathetic. And I absolutely adore Merrill, who most Fenris fans seem to hate.

Edit: And to be somewhat on topic . . . My Lavellan finds the idea of being the leader of the Inquisition for any length of time horrifying. She wants out, and it's not as if she expects her friends to stick around forever. They all have things they seem to want to do besides follow her.

[Cecilia]

If so, someone else can run it, then. My PC has the anchor and intended to stop Corypheus- that's all she promised and all she's going to do.

I don't see anyone continuing to pay the Inquisition for the privilege of meddling in everyone's affairs once the threat of the Breach is over, but to each her own post-game headcanon.

The DA2 companions are walking issues megaphones and/or pushed into contrived situations in order to make them "plot relevant." They don't feel like real people. I also think the friendship/ rivalry and all-bi-LI mechanics made them seem too gamey rather than like real agents.

 

*raises hand* Leliana and I would have so much fun collecting everyone's letters and knowing everyone's secrets. I've always played my Inquizzy as one who is determined not to follow the path of the Grey Wardens - save the world then be forgotten by it. Plus someone needs to knock Celene down a bit every now and then.

 

I don't think at that point there's much need for the Inquisition to be paid for by others - you acquire a reasonable amount of land over the course of the game plus Josephine makes Skyhold a center for commerce (somehow) and add to that all of the favors/secrets you have it basically pays for itself~

[Avejajed]

What she said.
I see the Inquisition as the new form of the Chantry, with the bureaucracy and clergy of the old Chantry dancing to the Inquisition's tune. Not in the Andrastian sense, but in that it is the foundation of Southern Theodosian society. It's acquired enough political capital by the end of the game to push their candidate through for the position of Divine, and the Chantry and the Orlesian Empire have thrown their hats in with them to save themselves from total collapse. Ferelden sees them as allies. They have soldiers everywhere, and everyone owes them favors. It's very easy to see the Inquisition continuing on for some years, before eventually being absorbed into the new, specialized forces for stability, like the original Inquisition being dissolved so that it could better support the Nevarran Accord. A new world order, basically. I could also, somewhat, see it persisting as a UN like force.
Of course, there is a darker parallel for a religiously motivated military organization. Namely, the Teutonic Order.
The Teutonic Order were Crusaders who decided that, rather than just invading the Levant, the Baltic was also some hot stuff. Lithuania and Prussia was full of juicy Pagans just begging to be slaughtered/converted into tax-paying citizens. While the Kingdom of Poland initially helped them out, overtime the Teutonic Order became more and more powerful, nearly annihilating the native Prussian race, and looking to expand itself into a Great Power. A panicked Poland allied itself with the Lithuanians in hopes of destroying the Order.
I can see the Inquisition being destroyed if it pushes its luck too far and upsets the big players. While it has a very powerful army, and multiple fortresses, they're spread across Ferelden, Orlais, Nevarra, and the Free Marches. Their reach is far, but if public approval fell low enough and the Inquisitor wasn't there to wield their political and religious capital, then the Inquisition could be destroyed.

Yes. I'm not saying the inquisition is infallable. Only that its influence (and power) is independent from single outside variables.

There are a hundred worthy goals the inquisition could turn it's power torward, or not so worthy, depending on the morality of your pc, but as it stands, the inquisition is much too powerful to just disassemble.

If the goals of the inquisition were not the goals of the pubic, however, that would be a problem. And people are fickle...albeit easily swayed.

[vierrae]

I read that as Cauliflower and now that's all I want to call him.

 

ALL SHALL BOW TO THE ELDER ONE, CAULIFLOWER *dundundun*

http://slayerofkillabee.tumblr.com

 

 

Given that he possessed Larius he does work a lot like BOB.

Now all we have to decide is who'll be Laura Palmer

[Addai]

*raises hand* Leliana and I would have so much fun collecting everyone's letters and knowing everyone's secrets. I've always played my Inquizzy as one who is determined not to follow the path of the Grey Wardens - save the world then be forgotten by it. Plus someone needs to knock Celene down a bit every now and then.

Celene is six feet under in my canon game. As for the rest, you're welcome to it. I want to know the secrets of Orlesians about as much as I'd want to smell their armpits.

[BoscoBread]

http://www.crusaderkings.com/

 

Off topic...but FYI for people that have shown interest. Crusader Kings II is free for a week.  Just head over to Steam.  It's also heavily discounted right now.   It runs well on a medium level laptop.  It's loads of fun and a good time filler. 

 

On topic - EDIT - Hellspiraling!Solas is better. 

Spoiler

[Cecilia]

Celene is six feet under in my canon game. As for the rest, you're welcome to it. I want to know the secrets of Orlesians about as much as I'd want to smell their armpits.

 

I thought about going Gaspard my second run through - I really like the man - but I just couldn't see him as being a peaceful ruler (all of the rumors about him being pro-military pro-expansion) and peace between Ferelden/Orlais is always pretty important to my Inquizzy (plus Celene genuinely seems popular in V.R. according to chatter before WEWH so I was like welp~) I end up going cooperation/Celene spares both Briala&Gaspard endings as much as I hate the woman (I never give her Michel grrrrrrr)

 

Lel/Josie/Inquis could read all the secrets and then flutter their scarves (4 out of 5!) in shock - it would be fabulous. Then they'd send the highlights to Divine Cass along with the latest smut from Varric and she'll respond with a *disgusted snort* but really be all about that salaciousness.

 

Amg and we could collect marriage proposals for Cullen and solicit a dowry betting war for his hand. It'll be epic.

[dragondreamer]

The DA2 companions, with the exceptions of Varric and maybe Aveline, are incredibly polarizing and seem to have been designed to contrast harshly with each other. I did like them as a cast alright, and find the patterns of who players liked or disliked to be interesting. For example, I'm not very keen on Fenris (blasphemy, I know), though I find him sympathetic. And I absolutely adore Merrill, who most Fenris fans seem to hate.

 

I like both Fenris and Merrill.  I'm actually fond of Hawke's misfit crew and their dynamics as a whole.  DA2 was really good at giving the companions the feel of having lives outside of Hawke, and having the companions interact with each other outside of Hawke.  Like going to visit Varric, and finding Anders was there, or going to visit Fenris, and finding Aveline or Isabela there.

[RogueBait]

I do wonder if he has a compulsion to do the wrong thing. "It says not to press the release the Elvhen Gods on the button! I SHOULD PRESS THE BUTTON. I HAVE to press the button." "I'm totally going to leave once we get the ball back. But.. treating myself sounds good. It won't hurt her or me."

 

I know what you mean. For such a precise, intelligent man, he can be incredibly reckless and impulsive. It's all that passion, man. It needs someplace to go.

 

*makes big, flashing arrow sign and points it straight at Lavellan's thighs*

 

 

I can't decide if I want to draw or write right now, so I'm going to go back to my current playthrough until I decide, which will probably just be me wasting the whole rest of my day, but there you go.

 

Ugh. I feel your pain. "I should do this thing!" "But I also want to do this thing." "... I will do neither thing." ... "I'm a failure." ._.

[Avejajed]

If so, someone else can run it, then. My PC has the anchor and intended to stop Corypheus- that's all she promised and all she's going to do.

I don't see anyone continuing to pay the Inquisition for the privilege of meddling in everyone's affairs once the threat of the Breach is over, but to each her own post-game headcanon.

I'm honestly curious your opinion on this. I understand your view that your Lavellan is like...NOPE. Makes sense, right? She didn't sign up for this. I get it.

But don't you think to just peace out after you defeat Corypheus is...what's the word. Irresponsible? Selfish?

Here's this power you have. You didn't ask for it, but it's still yours. And it's not going anywhere. You have it. For life. Its always going to make you both a hero and a target. Always.

Then you also have this big organization that's got a ton of power. Influence. Money. Thousands of forces, spies, diplomats. Thousands depend on the inquisition for stability, food, work.

But you didn't ask for it. So you're going to wash your hands of it and leave it for someone else to figure out. To the woods you go, to look for Solas or to be keeper or what have you.

Let's say someone else takes over...you bestow your power on a new leader. Someone you trust. One of the advisors, perhaps, or someone else. And you're sure it'll be in good hands until suddenly it's making decisions you never would have made. Fighting for things you don't agree with. Its become something that you do not condone or stand for..and even though you're no longer a part of it, you are, because you will never not be a part of it, no matter how far away you go.

So now this powerful organization stands for everything you hate. But it's your fault. You could have stayed. You could have put the others first. You could have stayed for the sake of the people, regardless of what you wanted.

Or let's say you dismantle it. Send everyone home to do their own thing. Thousands are out of jobs. There are still refugees. There are still problems with the Wardens. Orlais is hungry as always. Tevinter grows increasingly restless. The mages and the templars, whatever their outcome, are still in Internal chaos. Ferelden can hardly keep their heads on trying to clean up after the war. Corypheus is gone but...and there is always the fear of another blight. People are bitter with you, angry that you could have done more to increase stability but instead chose to behave selfishly.

I just wonder what your Lavellan would do about it. Would she not bother herself with what might happen without the inquisition? Would she feel guilty?

Hahah. I've really over thought this.
This is not meant to be offensive in any way.

[CapricornSun]

The DA2 companions, with the exceptions of Varric and maybe Aveline, are incredibly polarizing and seem to have been designed to contrast harshly with each other. I did like them as a cast alright, and find the patterns of who players liked or disliked to be interesting. For example, I'm not very keen on Fenris (blasphemy, I know), though I find him sympathetic. And I absolutely adore Merrill, who most Fenris fans seem to hate.

Edit: And to be somewhat on topic . . . My Lavellan finds the idea of being the leader of the Inquisition for any length of time horrifying. She wants out, and it's not as if she expects her friends to stick around forever. They all have things they seem to want to do besides follow her.

 

*whispers* Don't worry. I'm not that fond of Fenris either. 

 

As for Merrill, my feelings for her are pretty much the same as my feelings for Sera. There are times where I like her but there are also times when I wanted to strangle her. 

 

My Lavellan also wasn't crazy about leading the Inquisition in the first place, but she did so because of the responsibility that was placed on her and she seemed liked the only one with the power to close the rifts and stop Corypheus. She might go back to her clan (they're alive at Wycome in my PT) if ever the Inquisition disbands or is done with whatever they're doing in DLC, but that would depend on what Bioware has in store for our Quizzies.   

[DarthEmpress]

I didn't care for Merrill in DA2, but after playing as Lavellan I think she'd be a good friend to her.  I like the idea of Mahariel, Lavellan, and Merrill teaming up and going on a Super Awesome Amazing Dalish Adventure XD  Honestly, playing DAI and falling in love with Solas made me appreciate Merrill a little more.  If she can help my Lavellan reunite with Solas then let's go!

[Caddius]

http://www.crusaderkings.com/

 

Off topic...but FYI for people that have shown interest. Crusader Kings II is free for a week.  Just head over to Steam.  It's also heavily discounted right now.   It runs well on a medium level laptop.  It's loads of fun and a good time filler. 

 

On topic - EDIT - Hellspiraling!Solas is better. 

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I saw this and got really excited before I remembered I've already owned the game for a year. 

I think Madrar got it, she was asking for advice.

All signs point to Ireland 1066, is all I'm saying.

 

As for Sebastian.

Ugh.

Just.

Ugh.

I've admittedly only seen videos of his scenes.

But the man invades and tries to annex Kirkwall for 'sheltering Anders'.

The thing is, Anders is one of the few members of the Mage Underground left standing by Act III. The main people sheltering him at that point are the poor people the Chantry couldn't help but were helped by Anders, and Hawke and company. Including Sebastian. 

And the rest of Kirkwall is distinctly not cool with Anders after he blows up the Chantry. Orsino is horrified. Meredith is willing to wipe out the Circle over it, even though they had nothing to do with it. If Anders is alive, Sebastian's beef is with Anders and Hawke for sparing him. If he felt so strongly about it, he should have killed him himself right then and there. (Admittedly possibly a death sentence for himself, but then again, trying to take over and instill order in Kirkwall is a death sentence.)

So he invades a city-state to find a terrorist who isn't there to avenge the death of a pacifist woman on people who hate the terrorist as much as he does. And then gets knocked out of the city by an irate Aveline and the support of some Inquisition agents.

I do like some of his banters, it's just...ugh. I can't describe the hatred I have for being people misblamed. Like the old, "If that one student doesn't stop screwing around, I'm punishing the whole class," It never made me try to stop the student, it made me despise the teacher for resorting to sloppy techniques and being that lazy. The two main results are either that the students turn on that one, or they unite against you. Both results are bad. It used to get me so furious that I could barely breathe. Actual serious instances of it are much worse. 

I apologize for ranting.   And my apologies to Sebastian fans.

[electricfish]

I didn't care for Merrill in DA2, but after playing as Lavellan I think she'd be a good friend to her.  I like the idea of Mahariel, Lavellan, and Merrill teaming up and going on a Super Awesome Amazing Dalish Adventure XD  Honestly, playing DAI and falling in love with Solas made me appreciate Merrill a little more.  If she can help my Lavellan reunite with Solas then let's go!

 

I am suddenly reminded of this. 

 

source: http://shaydh.devian...elves-203325071

[Elven_Glory]

Um, someone asked for a fic based on this, so... ask and you shall receive? I am so, so sorry.

https://www.fanficti...t/s/11055471/1/

Oh. My. Stars.
I am not crying...
I'm...
Okay, I admit it.
I'm totally crying.

[faeofthefellwood]

My Lavellan wouldn't just walk away from the Inquisition the way Solas did - she feels responsibility for it - but the idea of her basically being a prisoner of it her entire life is bleak. It would drain her over time to feel trapped like that. Optimally, she'd probably try to disband it in an orderly, responsible way, including her advisors and companions in that process. That isn't to say that the anchor isn't always going to be an issue for her. She'll always be a target.

I'm so impatient for dlc. I want to find out what's going to happen to her, whether it's tragic or not.

[CapricornSun]

I didn't care for Merrill in DA2, but after playing as Lavellan I think she'd be a good friend to her.  I like the idea of Mahariel, Lavellan, and Merrill teaming up and going on a Super Awesome Amazing Dalish Adventure XD  Honestly, playing DAI and falling in love with Solas made me appreciate Merrill a little more.  If she can help my Lavellan reunite with Solas then let's go!

 

I think I should give DA2 another go. It's been years since I've played it. Who knows, maybe I'd appreciate Merrill a bit more this time.

 

And going on a Super Awesome Amazing Dalish Adventure sounds like fun! xD Should we throw in Velanna and Ariane in the mix? Though Velanna is a bit too mean and would ruin the fun. 

 

Speaking of Ariane, I really liked her. I do hope we'd see her in DA4 or something. Also, ever notice that all the Dalish companions that we've had so far have been females? I would love to have a male Dalish elf companion for once. And romanceable too plz thx.

[Meer]

[snip, excellent commentary]

I have a bit to say in response, but I'll put it under spoilers cause it has nothing to do with Solas, haha.

Spoiler

I've never seen this side of Sebastian personally, but this is part of why I was so surprised he actually ends up attacking Kirkwall. My Hawke gives him his revenge, and also tries to hold him back a bit; I went for him staying with the Chantry, though it seems his romance turns into a Prince! ending anyway.
It surprised me, after everything else he'd said to that point, that he'd attempt to punish an entire city for what happened. However, there is still the element of the immature in him; as much as he says that the Chantry has changed him, there's still an impetuous firebrand in there. Taking Elthina and his home at the Chantry away at this juncture, while the needs of Starkhaven weigh on his mind.... If you spare Anders, it's basically giving him a new reason to desire revenge, while focusing his purpose 100%: he's going to go home, be the Prince, and punish Kirkwall, that hellish city that is so far gone it starts a civil war and there isn't an ounce of justice in sight. It's absolutely a flaw, but I think his actions in this instance are understandable though perhaps not justifiable.

[Cecilia]

I play Trevelyan, not Lavellan so my Inquisitors are all amgyespoliticsfunoohsecrets plus they get to play princess at Skyhold with TWO hot blonde knights

 

As mage Trevelyan I suppose it ends up also being a case of ... you don't have anywhere else to go really. No clan. No real family. No Lydia. 

[electricfish]

I think I should give DA2 another go. It's been years since I've played it. Who knows, maybe I'd appreciate Merrill a bit more this time.

 

And going on a Super Awesome Amazing Dalish Adventure sounds like fun! xD Should we throw in Velanna and Ariane in the mix? Though Velanna is a bit too mean and would ruin the fun. 

 

Speaking of Ariane, I really liked her. I do hope we'd see her in DA4 or something. Also, ever notice that all the Dalish companions that we've had so far have been females? I would love to have a male Dalish elf companion for once. And romanceable too plz thx.

 

Technically Zevran is Dalish due to his mom's heritage. That counts, right? And Aveline is always honorary Dalish because why not? I would seriously lol if I caught her frolicking during Amazing Dalish Adventure Time.

[phaonica]

I'm honestly curious your opinion on this. I understand your view that your Lavellan is like...NOPE. Makes sense, right? She didn't sign up for this. I get it.

But don't you think to just peace out after you defeat Corypheus is...what's the word. Irresponsible? Selfish?

Here's this power you have. You didn't ask for it, but it's still yours. And it's not going anywhere. You have it. For life. Its always going to make you both a hero and a target. Always.

Then you also have this big organization that's got a ton of power. Influence. Money. Thousands of forces, spies, diplomats. Thousands depend on the inquisition for stability, food, work.

But you didn't ask for it. So you're going to wash your hands of it and leave it for someone else to figure out. To the woods you go, to look for Solas or to be keeper or what have you.

Let's say someone else takes over...you bestow your power on a new leader. Someone you trust. One of the advisors, perhaps, or someone else. And you're sure it'll be in good hands until suddenly it's making decisions you never would have made. Fighting for things you don't agree with. Its become something that you do not condone or stand for..and even though you're no longer a part of it, you are, because you will never not be a part of it, no matter how far away you go.

So now this powerful organization stands for everything you hate. But it's your fault. You could have stayed. You could have put the others first. You could have stayed for the sake of the people, regardless of what you wanted.

Or let's say you dismantle it. Send everyone home to do their own thing. Thousands are out of jobs. There are still refugees. There are still problems with the Wardens. Orlais is hungry as always. Tevinter grows increasingly restless. The mages and the templars, whatever their outcome, are still in Internal chaos. Ferelden can hardly keep their heads on trying to clean up after the war. Corypheus is gone but...and there is always the fear of another blight. People are bitter with you, angry that you could have done more to increase stability but instead chose to behave selfishly.

I just wonder what your Lavellan would do about it. Would she not bother herself with what might happen without the inquisition? Would she feel guilty?

Hahah. I've really over thought this.
This is not meant to be offensive in any way.

 

I thought that the Inquisition was kind of made up of an alliance of all the different factions. If you were to purposefully dismantle it, could it not break down into its (probably changed) parts? You mentioned all the different problems with Orlais, the Wardens, the Chantry, etc, but does the world really need a "world police" that lords over all of them?