As far as I can see, he's a brat all around. I do like making him a Warden. He can do some actual good.
Anyone get the patch 5 beta to download yet? I signed up but nothing's showing up on Origin.
It says it could take up to 24 hours for you to receive something.
Sebastian is, I grant you, a little weird, but he is still a great companion. I don't necessarily agree with his views 100%, but he does try to do what he thinks is right and I think that counts for a lot.
Also all you Fenris haters out there...haters gunna hate more for me ~hhhnnnnnnn~
I think I should give DA2 another go. It's been years since I've played it. Who knows, maybe I'd appreciate Merrill a bit more this time.
And going on a Super Awesome Amazing Dalish Adventure sounds like fun! xD Should we throw in Velanna and Ariane in the mix? Though Velanna is a bit too mean and would ruin the fun.
Speaking of Ariane, I really liked her. I do hope we'd see her in DA4 or something. Also, ever notice that all the Dalish companions that we've had so far have been females? I would love to have a male Dalish elf companion for once.
And romanceable too plz thx.
Ooh male Dalish hunter companion for DA4 please! :3 Give him concept Solas' hair and I am sold!
I wonder what happened to Velanna and Ariane? You never hear about them... and does anyone else find it suspicious that Gheyna and Cammen are in the Keep but there's been nothing in either DA2 or DAI about them yet? Hmmmmm... I keep thinking DA4 is going to feature all the Dalish clans uniting and we'll see all of them again :3
I really want Super Awesome Amazing Dalish Adventure to be a real thing, especially if it involves time travel back to Arlathan or just the girls kicking some sense into Solas so he stops making bad decisions!
I'm mostly okay with Sebastian. He was nice eyecandy, and his banters with Fenris are some of my favorites. (But yes, my Inquisitor sided with Aveline. That needed to stop.)
Um, someone asked for a fic based on this, so... ask and you shall receive? I am so, so sorry.
There is a lump in my throat. ;_; Lovely work.
I thought that the Inquisition was kind of made up of an alliance of all the different factions. If you were to purposefully dismantle it, could it not break down into its (probably changed) parts? You mentioned all the different problems with Orlais, the Wardens, the Chantry, etc, but does the world really need a "world police" that lords over all of them?
I think it's honestly more a case of what happens to all of the power you accumulate throughout the game. I think this is less of an issue if you went heavy forces - you can always work with Celene/Alistair to transfer those who want to stay as soldiers into the Ferelden/Orlesian/Free Marcher armies or even put them under the command of the new Divine. But with connections/secrets you basically have all of these assets that you can't just *dissipate* out to other powers and don't necessarily dissolve with the Inquisition.
In a sense, the Inquisition's become an independent political entity whether you wanted it to or not.
And going on a Super Awesome Amazing Dalish Adventure sounds like fun!
You know, I adore the Dalish. And I would love to join you all in this, but it might be best if I stay back a few hundred feet. My scorecard for interacting with Dalish clans is frightfully bleak. Perhaps my most horrible moment in any of these games was, after playing my darling Mahariel, accidentally killing his/Merrill's clan in DAII. When they all kept attacking my Hawke coming down the mountain, I was almost in tears. No joke.
But I support this! More Dalish, more male Dalish. Just more elves, haha.
I thought that the Inquisition was kind of made up of an alliance of all the different factions. If you were to purposefully dismantle it, could it not break down into its (probably changed) parts? You mentioned all the different problems with Orlais, the Wardens, the Chantry, etc, but does the world really need a "world police" that lords over all of them?
Not only that, but a world police has its own problems. No ruler will let that stand for long before feeling it's a threat to their authority. In the end, unless the Inquisition is syphoned into one of the existing powers (The Chantry maybe?), or form something smaller the way the Seekers were left from the first Inquisition disbanding, I don't see the status quo working for longer than it takes the Quizzie to seal the rift and relocate most of the refugees. That's... a few years maybe? Ten at the most?
And then, for a lot of our quizzies, politics isn't something that comes naturally. Heck, mine's a hunter with a passion for ruins, not a politician. You then run the risk of ending up someone's political tool for simple lack of experience. Even your advisors, although they're friendly to you, try to make you work the way they want you to (the war table missions).
At some point, the Inquisition will have to change or die, and by that point, my Quizzie at the very least will be more than happy to relinquish the mantle of Inquisitor. Headcanon may vary, though.
I saw this and got really excited before I remembered I've already owned the game for a year.
I think Madrar got it, she was asking for advice.
All signs point to Ireland 1066, is all I'm saying.
As for Sebastian.
Ugh.
Just.
Ugh.
I've admittedly only seen videos of his scenes.
But the man invades and tries to annex Kirkwall for 'sheltering Anders'.
The thing is, Anders is one of the few members of the Mage Underground left standing by Act III. The main people sheltering him at that point are the poor people the Chantry couldn't help but were helped by Anders, and Hawke and company. Including Sebastian.
And the rest of Kirkwall is distinctly not cool with Anders after he blows up the Chantry. Orsino is horrified. Meredith is willing to wipe out the Circle over it, even though they had nothing to do with it. If Anders is alive, Sebastian's beef is with Anders and Hawke for sparing him. If he felt so strongly about it, he should have killed him himself right then and there. (Admittedly possibly a death sentence for himself, but then again, trying to take over and instill order in Kirkwall is a death sentence.)
So he invades a city-state to find a terrorist who isn't there to avenge the death of a pacifist woman on people who hate the terrorist as much as he does. And then gets knocked out of the city by an irate Aveline and the support of some Inquisition agents.
I do like some of his banters, it's just...ugh. I can't describe the hatred I have for being people misblamed. Like the old, "If that one student doesn't stop screwing around, I'm punishing the whole class," It never made me try to stop the student, it made me despise the teacher for resorting to sloppy techniques and being that lazy. The two main results are either that the students turn on that one, or they unite against you. Both results are bad. It used to get me so furious that I could barely breathe. Actual serious instances of it are much worse.
I apologize for ranting.
And my apologies to Sebastian fans.
I agree with you.
And that's the reason I never bought the DLC with Sebastian. 
You know, it wasn't until recently I realized how unpopular Sebastian was? I kind of just chose him because he was a nice fit for my Hawke (and well, his voice, but shh). Does he have an alternate wartable mission if you allow Anders to live? In mine, he ended up asking for help in reconstructing Kirkwall and was very nice about the whole thing. Even though I let his wife stay in the Fade.
But no, to bring this back to Solas, it's kind of nice liking a more popular romance this time. More people to commiserate and enjoy the whole thing with.
And yes! I think Carver is a little less jealous with fem!Hawke. He's still sassy toward her and irritated at being cast in her shadow, but I never got the sense that a Hawke!fistfight was about to start, like with dude!Hawke.
*Spits on ground then scoffs* Hnh, figures. What a little ****. No wonder you guys don't hate him as much as we do.
And yea Sebastian comes riding in on his bright and shining douchebaggery but I deny him worse than a teenager with fake ID trying to score some booze for a little backseat backscratch.
And all this talk of dead pets gave me a nightmare where my last dog died again. Then someone gave me a puppy version of my latest dog again, and now I'm pissed because I woke up and I miss my dog being a puppy. Grrr.
I think it's honestly more a case of what happens to all of the power you accumulate throughout the game. I think this is less of an issue if you went heavy forces - you can always work with Celene/Alistair to transfer those who want to stay as soldiers into the Ferelden/Orlesian/Free Marcher armies or even put them under the command of the new Divine. But with connections/secrets you basically have all of these assets that you can't just *dissipate* out to other powers and don't necessarily dissolve with the Inquisition.
In a sense, the Inquisition's become an independent political entity whether you wanted it to or not.
Forgive my ignorance, but why not? The Inquisition has authority because it was recognized as an authority (eventually) by the Chantry, Orlais, Ferelden, etc. If those factions no longer recognize and supply that authority, can the power not be dissipated?
Maybe? Maybe not?I thought that the Inquisition was kind of made up of an alliance of all the different factions. If you were to purposefully dismantle it, could it not break down into its (probably changed) parts? You mentioned all the different problems with Orlais, the Wardens, the Chantry, etc, but does the world really need a "world police" that lords over all of them?
Forgive my ignorance, but why not? The Inquisition has authority because it was recognized as an authority (eventually) by the Chantry, Orlais, Ferelden, etc. If those factions no longer recognize and supply that authority, can the power not be dissipated?
Rather easily actually. You'd be surprised how quick one can lose political power.
Forgive my ignorance, but why not? The Inquisition has authority because it was recognized as an authority (eventually) by the Chantry, Orlais, Ferelden, etc. If those factions no longer recognize and supply that authority, can the power not be dissipated?
not only that, but a world police has its own problem. No ruler would let that stand for long before feeling it's a threat to their authority. In the end, unless the Inquisition is syphoned into one of the existing powers (The Chantry maybe?), or form something smaller the way the Seekers were left from the first Inquisition disbanding, I don't see the status quo working for longer than it takes the Quizzie to seal the rift and relocate most of the refugees. That's... a few years maybe? Ten at the most?
And then, for a lot of our quizzies, politics isn't something that comes naturally. Heck, mine's a hunter with a passion for ruins, not a politician. You then run the risk of ending up someone's political tool for simple lack of experience. Even your advisors, although they're friendly to you, try to make you work the way they want you to (the war table missions).
At some point, the Inquisition will have to change or die, and by that point, my Quizzie at the very least will be more than happy to relinquish the mantle of Inquisitor. Headcanon may vary, though.
See that's what I was kind of thinking. Ferelden and Orlais may "owe" the Inquisition for dealing with the Breach, but if they aren't going to be super appreciative if the Inquisition starts trying to claim further authority over those factions. And even if the Inquisition were to try to be a force of peace, it seems like far, far too much power centralized in one organization to be safe.
The Inquisition has power that is independent of all of those factions, though. They could all denounce the Inquisition and you'd still have followers. You need two things: manpower and a reason. You don't need Alistair, Gaspard or a Divine to OK it.
Without outside support though, you don't have authority. You just become a glorified group of mercs, except you don't work for gold, you work for building favor and influence for yourself for... some reason. After Cornflakes is dead, your purpose is mainly political until time comes for you to use your military strength. You're a group with an army, one who you can choose to support whoever. But it needs a purpose, or no amount of faith will sustain it.
The DA2 companions, with the exceptions of Varric and maybe Aveline, are incredibly polarizing and seem to have been designed to contrast harshly with each other. I did like them as a cast alright, and find the patterns of who players liked or disliked to be interesting. For example, I'm not very keen on Fenris (blasphemy, I know), though I find him sympathetic. And I absolutely adore Merrill, who most Fenris fans seem to hate.
My favorite BioWare characters are often the ones that are super polarizing: Miranda Lawson, Anders, Morrigan, Viconia deVir, etc. Even if they drive me nuts and I would never want to meet them IRL, I love characters who challenge the player as well as the PC, and can inspire such dramatic extremes of emotion.
Technically Zevran is Dalish due to his mom's heritage. That counts, right? And Aveline is always honorary Dalish because why not? I would seriously lol if I caught her frolicking during Amazing Dalish Adventure Time.
Hehe, even if Zevran's mom was Dalish, I never really saw him as Dalish per se. Almost, but not quite. 
As for Aveline being an honorary Dalish, was there something I missed back in DA2? It's been a while since I've played that game so I don't remember.
And speaking of Aveline frolicking... I found this on Tumblr. xD
http://commander-war...st/109117196631
Ooh male Dalish hunter companion for DA4 please! :3 Give him concept Solas' hair and I am sold!
I wonder what happened to Velanna and Ariane? You never hear about them... and does anyone else find it suspicious that Gheyna and Cammen are in the Keep but there's been nothing in either DA2 or DAI about them yet? Hmmmmm... I keep thinking DA4 is going to feature all the Dalish clans uniting and we'll see all of them again :3
I really want Super Awesome Amazing Dalish Adventure to be a real thing, especially if it involves time travel back to Arlathan or just the girls kicking some sense into Solas so he stops making bad decisions!
Oooh... a male Dalish companion with concept art Solas' hair? I'm down with that. Either that or something like the Dalish elf concept art from DAO would be fine for me.
I'm mostly okay with Sebastian. He was nice eyecandy, and his banters with Fenris are some of my favorites. (But yes, my Inquisitor sided with Aveline. That needed to stop.)
Oh yes, he definitely was eyecandy for me. Why do you think I bothered bringing him along? 
I even let my Hawke flirt with him a bit just to see him get flustered. 
I have to wonder about his eyes though. They were rather glowy. I was a bit irked that the elves in the game didn't get the glowy eyes as described in the books but this human prince does. (Though Jethann came close with his bright blue orbs.)
Maybe? Maybe not?
I don't think it does well on its own, and could use some sort of UN thing. Does that need to be the inquisition? Probably not.
But I maintain that if you need to dismantle the organization, it needs to be done slowly, carefully, and with exacting purpose.
You can't just go around giving people that power all willy nilly. I just hate seeing all that work of all those people wasted.
I agree. I think that if you didn't dismantle with a little care that you could leave the South in a state of power-grabbing chaos. I don't know that the Inquisition would safely dissolve if the Inquisitor abandoned the position.
Without outside support though, you don't have authority. You just become a glorified group of mercs, except you don't work for gold, you work for building favor and influence for yourself for... some reason. After Cornflakes is dead, your purpose is mainly political until time comes for you to use your military strength. You're a group with an army, one who you can choose to support whoever. But it needs a purpose, or no amount of faith will sustain it.
The Inquisition has power that is independent of all of those factions, though. They could all denounce the Inquisition and you'd still have followers. You need two things: manpower and a reason. You don't need Alistair, Gaspard or a Divine to OK it.
The Inquisition has power that is independent of all of those factions, though. They could all denounce the Inquisition and you'd still have followers. You need two things: manpower and a reason. You don't need Alistair, Gaspard or a Divine to OK it.
If the Chantry and the nobility of nations turn against the Inquisition, then at that point the Inquisition is a rogue state spread across several kingdoms, with a mountain citadel, and a religiously fanatic army devoted to their prophet.
Oh my gosh, it'd be like the Ikko-Ikki and the Mahdist Sudanese had a baby!
Anyways, it's possible the Inquisition could maintain its military power, but it would lose political and economic sway, and would be forced into a corner. I don't doubt that they could hold out for a long time. The Ikko-Ikki certainly did.
But then comes Oda Nobunaga of Nevarra...
You know, I adore the Dalish. And I would love to join you all in this, but it might be best if I stay back a few hundred feet. My scorecard for interacting with Dalish clans is frightfully bleak. Perhaps my most horrible moment in any of these games was, after playing my darling Mahariel, accidentally killing his/Merrill's clan in DAII. When they all kept attacking my Hawke coming down the mountain, I was almost in tears. No joke.
But I support this! More Dalish, more male Dalish. Just more elves, haha.
But yes... More (male) Dalish! Gimme all the elves! 
My favorite BioWare characters are often the ones that are super polarizing: Miranda Lawson, Anders, Morrigan, Viconia deVir, etc. Even if they drive me nuts and I would never want to meet them IRL, I love characters who challenge the player as well as the PC, and can inspire such dramatic extremes of emotion.
Mine too, and me too. I think it's incredible that so many years after some of these games were released, these characters are still generating such a varied and passionate response. Another great example is Loghain, who still generates bustling character threads to this day. Characters are what Bioware does most wonderfully, though, no?
At some point the Inquisition should/will be dismantled, but not in the immediate future. It's not a point that was as loud as YOU ARE TRAVELING WITH A WOLF GOD, but several people talk about organizations falling to the corrupting influence of power over time, despite the intents of a few people to keep it moral. The Seekers. The Chantry. The Elvhen Gods(or equivalent elf government). These are organizations that started out with a purpose, or with a definite moral compass, and slowly became more convoluted and corrupt over a long period of time.
The original Inquisition, on the other hand, changed its purpose and layed down its arms when the original one was filled. Mother Giselle states that many of the people involved became the Templar Order (which also got corrupted, partially due to drugs though). The main point of her story was that powerful organizations can do great things, but their leaders must also recognize when it is either no longer needed, or not the correct force of influence needed in the world.
The original purpose of the new Inquisition was to restore order, and bring an end to Corypheus. We can check both of those boxes at the end of the game events. Rifts may still need closing, but the Inquisition as a whole doesn't need to be in full force in order to commit to reconstruction. Therefore, the Inquisitor (or its advisors) need to find something for it to be dedicated to, or need to start slowly and responsibly deconstructing its power.
Obviously this won't happen over a matter of weeks, but the choice is still there. Retain the Inquisition and find new purposes for it over the span of the Inquisitor's lifetime, or dial back after plans for reconstruction are under way. Future DLC will give our Inquisitor's a new immediate target, or paint the way to the mysterious people lingering in the shadows waiting to strike, if the epilogue is to be believed.
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