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[Colonelkillabee]

Well of course it needs a reason.

And there are plenty of them, in my opinion, that are worthy reasons to maintain the inquisition without making the inquisition power hungry lunatics just out to have its hands in every proverbial honey pot.

Maybe it doesn't last forever, nothing does. But for now, I think it's still important to people. It still gives hope and stability to a vastly changing world.

Meh, it has enough reason to stay a bit of course, wasn't arguing against that. But not without the support of those groups mentioned. If the chantry and other countries weren't allowing the inquisition to have the authority to act, then they're just sitting around offering a helping hand to people that don't even want you around like some old woman with no friends.

 

And nothing lasts forever, but this was something created in a state of emergency that gained ground because the unstable world allowed you to. Once things return to normal, it will likely wane pretty quickly until it collapses into something else, willingly or not.

[phaonica]

Well of course it needs a reason.

And there are plenty of them, in my opinion, that are worthy reasons to maintain the inquisition without making the inquisition power hungry lunatics just out to have its hands in every proverbial honey pot.

Maybe it doesn't last forever, nothing does. But for now, I think it's still important to people. It still gives hope and stability to a vastly changing world.

 

The Inquisition may believe there are worthy reasons, but if Orlais, Ferelden, the Chantry, etc, do not support the Inquisition, then like the Colonel said, you become a mercenary faction with a belief in a worthy cause.

 

I was thinking about it in comparison to the Grey Wardens, who have at least enough authority to the Rite of Conscription and some treaties during the Blight. But the Wardens can still find themselves unwelcome.

[Cecilia]

Forgive my ignorance, but why not? The Inquisition has authority because it was recognized as an authority (eventually) by the Chantry, Orlais, Ferelden, etc. If those factions no longer recognize and supply that authority, can the power not be dissipated?

 

It's a case of simply having favors owed/granted and secrets don't just disappear - as the Inquisition, you're in a position to repay the favors you owed over the course of the game and there are a number of noble houses across Thedas who have effectively tied their welfare with the power of the Inquisition. The secrets you've collected and carry which allowed you to move some of the most powerful people in Thedas don't suddenly stop being something you or your agents know simply because the Inquisition stops existing. It's a kind of soft power that's difficult to disperse because it's the power that simultaneously forms and is tied to the Inquisition. The Inquisition wasn't really ... granted power by the recognition of the Chantry/Orlais/Ferelden, what those powers did was more along the lines of recognize the power that the Inquisition had already accumulated through diplomacy/espionage/influence which does increase the Inquisition's credibility, but isn't the true foundation of its power. At this point, those three powers don't even have the option to stop recognizing the Inquisition without that choice being political self-harm. 

 

I think they try to make you see that throughout the game - how the Inquisition you've formed is a movement that is now beyond you, Cassandra, Leliana, Josephine, and Cullen and even while you're still trying to stop the end of the world you need to think about what the end game for this movement is because it's not a simple case of job done laters~ 

 

I don't think the Inquisition is viable as the Inquisition - it's more or less served its purpose, but I also don't think it's a simple case of breaking the pieces apart and everyone going back where they came from. My personal headcanon (for mage!trevelyan) is that you stay at Skyhold and turn it into a peacetime power - a leading independent Circle of Magi that is guarded by a reformed templar order and has a normal community that forms around it (almost like a college town) consisting of horsemasters/smithies/merchants/etc. The power is still there, just somewhat more subdued and more stable - the diplomatic ties that the Inquisition held would naturally transfer to the new Circle and its community (maybe~ a new kind of Circle that isn't really just about mages, but about magical study and research~ Dagna ) and as First Enchanter, it does make a certain amount of sense for you to wield your influence/blackmail material for the benefit of the Circle. I mean~ this is just one way of going about it, but I honestly think the Inquisition can't just disintegrate - it needs to undergo a deliberate transformation process into something that can fill the vacuum and slowly seal it.

[BoscoBread]

Mine too, and me too. I think it's incredible that so many years after some of these games were released, these characters are still generating such a varied and passionate response. Another great example is Loghain, who still generates bustling character threads to this day. Characters are what Bioware does most wonderfully, though, no?

I think passionate response in some circles means: "Oh you dislike Anders?? DRINK BLEACH!!!!"  That's the one the I see with the most outrageously "passionate" fans. 

 

The fandom is ridiculously over-protective of these characters. For me, at the end of the day, they are just pixels. I will mock each and every one of them. 

 

I do love how my opinion on Loghain has changed over the years. At first it was the typical, "screw this guy!"  Then it was more...'"ok, I feel you".  Now he's pretty much vindicated in my eyes. 

[electricfish]

<snip>

 

Haha, no. There's nothing special about my honorary Dalish comment about Aveline, at least in regards to game dialogue. I just really like her character. She seems to embody some of the tenants that the Dalish seem to live by. If she had longer ears, she'd make a great Hunter.  Protective of family, blood relation or not. Courageous, but not fearless. Have a strategy for when things get dicey. Stand by your morals. I will beat you up if you push my buttons too far.

 

You know. Things we don't actually get to see in a Clan, except briefly in the Mahariel origin story. I might be projecting a little, though.

 

<edit> Holy crap, that Aveline gif. I took a look at the source, and all of the companions (and Meredith o.O) look ridiculous when body swapped with Tallis. Except Merril. She looks appropriate.

[Avejajed]

Ymmv.

I simply do not think you can just abandon it and go on your merry way. Whatever is done must be done carefully and precisely. And over time. You can't just wash your hands of it.

Realistically, I agree. It can not last forever, but the mutual support between factions in Thedas are necessary for long term. It could lose one, and it would still have influence and power.


But if it loses them all...well then all it needs is a cause. Then instead of being a mercenary group, it can call itself a rebellion.

I bet Solas would come back then. He loves rebellions.

[Meer]

I think passionate response in some circles means: "Oh you dislike Anders?? DRINK BLEACH!!!!"  That's the one the I see with the most outrageously "passionate" fans. 

 

The fandom is ridiculously over-protective of these characters. For me, at the end of the day, they are just pixels. I will mock each and every one of them. 

 

I do love how my opinion on Loghain has changed over the years. At first it was the typical, "screw this guy!"  Then it was more...'"ok, I feel you".  Now he's pretty much vindicated in my eyes. 

Ah, see, that's what I would call the wrong sort of passion. I love to see people discussing the characters with affection and interest, but as you say, they're definitely just that: pixels. If one can't jest at what they love even a bit.... that's no fun at all. I couldn't personally imagine roaring at someone for disliking what I enjoy.

And right? That's one of the reasons I love Loghain so much. I've always loved characters like that, who start out hateful but become more understandable as time goes by.

 

[Addai]

So now this powerful organization stands for everything you hate. But it's your fault. You could have stayed. You could have put the others first. You could have stayed for the sake of the people, regardless of what you wanted.

No, it's never one person, and it could have just as easily gone to pot under your watch, too. The Inquisition was assembled for one reason- to defeat Corypheus. Yes, you have to restore order to do that, but afterwards the power needs to return to legitimate governments and permanent institutions. The Inquisition was never meant to be permanent- not the first one and not this one. You have no allegiance, no creed, no territory, and after Corypheus is defeated, no reason for being. An army without at least one of those is a dangerous thing. I see it as irresponsible to cling to power when you've served the purpose you were all called together for.

All those problems you mention need to be solved by institutions that are going to be around for more than a year or two. Economies can't be built on sentimentality. I do think it should be dismantled in an orderly way, but the quicker the better, IMO.

I thought about going Gaspard my second run through - I really like the man - but I just couldn't see him as being a peaceful ruler (all of the rumors about him being pro-military pro-expansion) and peace between Ferelden/Orlais is always pretty important to my Inquizzy (plus Celene genuinely seems popular in V.R. according to chatter before WEWH so I was like welp~) I end up going cooperation/Celene spares both Briala&Gaspard endings as much as I hate the woman (I never give her Michel grrrrrrr)

I did the reconciliation mission at the war table and there was no mention in my epilogue about problems between Ferelden and Orlais.

They're all despicable people, but at least Gaspard doesn't try to pretend otherwise, and the idea of Celene and Briala reconciling after what Celene did to her makes me throw up in my mouth.

[electricfish]

Ymmv.

I simply do not think you can just abandon it and go on your merry way. Whatever is done must be done carefully and precisely. And over time. You can't just wash your hands of it.

Realistically, I agree. It can not last forever, but the mutual support between factions in Thedas are necessary for long term. It could lose one, and it would still have influence and power.


But if it loses them all...well then all it needs is a cause. Then instead of being a mercenary group, it can call itself a rebellion.

I bet Solas would come back then. He loves rebellions.

 

Then we can have an image meme with with Solas and Lavellan in reverse Skyhold. "I gave that ****** a rebellion. Bitches love rebellions." Lavellan would look all proud and Solas would stare in wonder, either open mouthed in awe or with a goofy smile.

[faeofthefellwood]

My favorite BioWare characters are often the ones that are super polarizing: Miranda Lawson, Anders, Morrigan, Viconia deVir, etc.  Even if they drive me nuts and I would never want to meet them IRL, I love characters who challenge the player as well as the PC, and can inspire such dramatic extremes of emotion.

Out of likes, but I agree! (And I love Viconia! She was my Bhaalspawn's bff).

[laurelinvanyar]

 

I do love how my opinion on Loghain has changed over the years. At first it was the typical, "screw this guy!"  Then it was more...'"ok, I feel you".  Now he's pretty much vindicated in my eyes. 

Yeah, 2 games later it turns out that Orlesians ARE awful and he was right all along

[Meer]

Yeah, 2 games later it turns out that Orlesians ARE awful and he was right all along

...I just can't resist bringing this back. I can't. I'm sorry.

Spoiler

http://privateai.tum...ent-played-with

[Cecilia]

Yeah, 2 games later it turns out that Orlesians ARE awful and he was right all along

 

Am I the only person who loves Orlesians? 

 

Life is so much more interesting with a little bit of backstabbery with the right fork.

[Addai]

I think it's honestly more a case of what happens to all of the power you accumulate throughout the game. I think this is less of an issue if you went heavy forces - you can always work with Celene/Alistair to transfer those who want to stay as soldiers into the Ferelden/Orlesian/Free Marcher armies or even put them under the command of the new Divine. But with connections/secrets you basically have all of these assets that you can't just *dissipate* out to other powers and don't necessarily dissolve with the Inquisition.

In a sense, the Inquisition's become an independent political entity whether you wanted it to or not.

You could always go into business with Leliana as a shadow broker, if that's your thing. I don't see what else you would do with all the cloak and dagger except play mercenary with it.

[Meer]

Am I the only person who loves Orlesians? 

 

Life is so much more interesting with a little bit of backstabbery with the right fork.

You know, this is odd, because in real life I adore reading about this sort of thing. Some of my favorite historical courts were just awful. And France, French history is my absolute favorite reading material. You could give me a mountain of books on Louis XIV and I wouldn't bat an eyelash at some of it. But for some reason, Orlais boils my blood even though it's completely fictional. I think it mostly has to do with the awful treatment my Dalish Inquisitor suffered from the Orlesians throughout the game, plus what they've done to her people and heritage. Being called a "rabbit" was the last straw. But I don't think that you're alone in liking Orlais, and there's nothing wrong with it. I can definitely see the appeal, and if nothing else, I must agree they're a fascinating culture. The unique visual aspect they bring to the game is awesome in of itself.

[laurelinvanyar]

Anyway, I'm going to interject with some makeup talk. 

http://iwettia.tumbl...ou-bewitched-me

 

I've never had the nerve to wear makeup like Morrigan, but I went out today and impulse bought this:

http://www.sephora.c...1?skuId=1588680

 

So now I'm rocking a Morrigan lipstick with a Lagertha braid. My bf is totally confused as to how his little preppy gf turned into an axe-wielding shieldmaiden. 

[vertigomez]

Then we can have an image meme with with Solas and Lavellan in reverse Skyhold. "I gave that ****** a rebellion. Bitches love rebellions." Lavellan would look all proud and Solas would stare in wonder, either open mouthed in awe or with a goofy smile.

hahahahe l p

[Satsumi]

*sniffles*  I need some Solas in my life.  This is getting ridiculous.  It might even be time to commission an artist to draw my Lavellan and Solas. 

[Avejajed]

No, it's never one person, and it could have just as easily gone to pot under your watch, too. The Inquisition was assembled for one reason- to defeat Corypheus. Yes, you have to restore order to do that, but afterwards the power needs to return to legitimate governments and permanent institutions. The Inquisition was never meant to be permanent- not the first one and not this one. You have no allegiance, no creed, no territory, and after Corypheus is defeated, no reason for being. An army without at least one of those is a dangerous thing. I see it as irresponsible to cling to power when you've served the purpose you were all called together for.

All those problems you mention need to be solved by institutions that are going to be around for more than a year or two. Economies can't be built on sentimentality. I do think it should be dismantled in an orderly way, but the quicker the better, IMO.

I did the reconciliation mission at the war table and there was no mention in my epilogue about problems between Ferelden and Orlais.

They're all despicable people, but at least Gaspard doesn't try to pretend otherwise, and the idea of Celene and Briala reconciling after what Celene did to her makes me throw up in my mouth.

I expect it's all a moot point anyway. My guess is the developers have plenty more for the inquisition to do, regardless of how grouchy that's going to make your poor Lavellan.

[laurelinvanyar]

...I just can't resist bringing this back. I can't. I'm sorry.

Spoiler

http://privateai.tum...ent-played-with

This will always be hilarious. 

[Avejajed]

Anyway, I'm going to interject with some makeup talk.
http://iwettia.tumbl...ou-bewitched-me

I've never had the nerve to wear makeup like Morrigan, but I went out today and impulse bought this:
http://www.sephora.c...1?skuId=1588680

So now I'm rocking a Morrigan lipstick with a Lagertha braid. My bf is totally confused as to how his little preppy gf turned into an axe-wielding shieldmaiden.

+1 Dior.

The mascara is the best you can buy. Blackout, specifically.

[Meer]

This will always be hilarious. 

Right? I'm just glad it isn't animated. I can almost hear the cartoon-inspired "twinkle" sound effects for the finger wiggling panel now.

[legbamel]

Yeah, we're just bringing that up as a possibility based on what the Inquisitor said. I just find the blighted eluvians worrisome.

 

About Corypheus... Hrm. Does he ever mention what he was expecting to find in the Black City in the first place, before the Blight? I remember him saying Dumat had whispered to him, and I know he wasn't expecting the place to be tainted. But did he ever mention what exactly Dumat had told him he would see there? Just the golden city, or Dumat himself, or the Maker?

Seriously, I take one day off and I cannot catch up with you people!

 

I was thinking in reading this and other theories that Coryphefish does not want to become a god, he wants to become big-G God.  He said the intent was to usurp the Maker's throne (I swear, he did.  I just have to find the dialogue where he said it in Inquisition.  I know he talks about his "divine will" in the final battle).

 

He thought he and the other magisters could gain godlike powers by going into the Black CIty originally, when they thought it was still Golden, but he's disillusioned by the time he meets up with your Inquisitor and wants to take over ruling the world as God because the Maker was doing such a ******-poor job of it.  The wiki talks about this on the Cory entry, though not the God part. 

 

 

You know, when I first played DAI, I thought the Skyhold upgrades were gonna be like how you upgraded the Normandy in ME2 (or upgrading Vigil's Keep in Awakening) in the sense that  you'll need those upgrades to defend yourself against something big and bad. I was a bit disappointed that that didn't happen. Maybe we'll get something like that in the expansion/DLC? We have this huge fortress and it was kind of a wasted opportunity.

 This is what I wanted for the ending--an epic castle siege battle in which I flung goats over the ramparts to humiliate the Red Templars and emptied the privies on the poor Wardens climbing ladders to get over my walls.  All those troops, all those upgrades, all those quarries and logging stands and for what?  A cheesy floating ruin in which I spanked the high priest of nobody.

[laurelinvanyar]

+1 Dior.

The mascara is the best you can buy. Blackout, specifically.

I'm totally a Dior Addict. I own....almost everything lol (omg the shaaaame)

I'm not personally a fan of Dior mascara (I like japanese ones better) but I love love love their lash maximizer for under the mascara. 

[Avejajed]

I'm totally a Dior Addict. I own....almost everything lol (omg the shaaaame)
I'm not personally a fan of Dior mascara (I like japanese ones better) but I love love love their lash maximizer for under the mascara.

Diorshow dries out too soon, for near $30 you'd think it would last longer. I like the Marc Jacobs one too. He has two, but it's not the blacquer but the other one.

I'm a YSL and Givenchy snob myself. Givenchy has the best lipglosses. Like butter. And the new YSL inked foundation is amazing...