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[RoyalRel]

 

I agree with that too, usually, but I find that I can irrationally hate many a Orlesian just for being one alone, lol. This is why I thought I'd hate Vivienne initially... that outfit is so absurd, and Disney really should be suing. Or Angelina Jolie, somebody.

 

 

Lol, I still kinda don't like Vivienne too much...? please don't shoot. She and Sera are a bit obtuse for my liking. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate some of their other qualities, which do make up a bit for their limited view of the world. In truth, being flawed is not wrong...it just is. We all have our faults, which is why I can never judge someone too harshly.

 

And let me just say this...Gaspard, for all his ruthlessness, is one orelesian I like.

[Avejajed]

 

I agree with that too, usually, but I find that I can irrationally hate many a Orlesian just for being one alone, lol. This is why I thought I'd hate Vivienne initially... that outfit is so absurd, and Disney really should be suing. Or Angelina Jolie, somebody.

 

[Colonelkillabee]

 

Lol, I still kinda don't like Vivienne too much...? please don't shoot. She and Sera are a bit obtuse for my liking. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate some of their other qualities, which do make up a bit for their limited view of the world. In truth, being flawed is not wrong...it just is. We all have our faults, which is why I can never judge someone too harshly.

 

And let me just say this...Gaspard, for all his ruthlessness, is one orelesian I like.

Meh, I like her, but I don't like her enough to care much when people say they don't, so no worries

 

edit: And yes, I forgot about Gaspard... though I admittedly like him mostly for political and trolling reasons.

Modifié par Colonelkillabee, 18 février 2015 - 01:43 .

[Jaison1986]

You know, some times I get upset that Solas romance is the way it is. And not really because of the break up. I mean, witch hunt anyone? But what bothers me is how Solas romance is so deeply tied to the story, it make it feels like all the other romances are rather meaningless. With Solas you have an relationship with the Dread wolf himself, it will likely have strong relevance to the overal plot. But with the others, you just have an relationship with this average person and that's it. IDK how to express myself better. It's just that Solas romance feels much more important, and it's almost unfair.

[Avejajed]

Nothing to see here.

[FFZero]

I was just listening to some of the tavern songs and does anyone else get the feeling I am the One is related to Solas or Mythal maybe? The song was originally elven wasn’t it? 

[The Oracle]

You know what I hate about the Orlesians, it's that they think "the game" is some kind of grand bloody social mastery. Where as (and this may just be the lack of the devs implementation) it's essentially just bitching and blackmail with some really stupid rules on social etiquette. My 5 year old niece is worse at her pretend tea parties (seriously, she's harsh).

 

After going through school and bitchy work environments, if I went to Orlais IRL, I'd be it's friggin Queen before I I finished my first drink.

[Colonelkillabee]

You know what I hate about the Orlesians, it's that they think "the game" is some kind of grand bloody social mastery. Where as (and this may just be the lack of the devs implementation) it's essentially just bitching and blackmail with some really stupid rules on social etiquette. My 5 year old niece is worse at her pretend tea parties (seriously, she's harsh).

 

After going through school and bitchy work environments, if I went to Orlais IRL, I'd be it's friggin Queen before I I finished my first drink.

 

Na I'm pretty sure you hit the nail on the head, lol. That's why it's so corny. You're expecting game of thrones stuff, and instead you hear Leliana yapping about shoes..

 

Go home, all of you. Just stand up, take your stupid ball, and go home.

[TanisLave]

You know, some times I get upset that Solas romance is the way it is. And not really because of the break up. I mean, witch hunt anyone? But what bothers me is how Solas romance is so deeply tied to the story, it make it feels like all the other romances are rather meaningless. With Solas you have an relationship with the Dread wolf himself, it will likely have strong relevance to the overal plot. But with the others, you just have an relationship with this average person and that's it. IDK how to express myself better. It's just that Solas romance feels much more important, and it's almost unfair.

 

People had Morrigan((Male only)) in Origins, that sort of balances it out?

[Mims]

You know, some times I get upset that Solas romance is the way it is. And not really because of the break up. I mean, witch hunt anyone? But what bothers me is how Solas romance is so deeply tied to the story, it make it feels like all the other romances are rather meaningless. With Solas you have an relationship with the Dread wolf himself, it will likely have strong relevance to the overal plot. But with the others, you just have an relationship with this average person and that's it. IDK how to express myself better. It's just that Solas romance feels much more important, and it's almost unfair.

 

I think that just means it suits your character to romance Solas. His romance does have a lot of future potential, but I don't think that means all the other romances are average by comparison. Regardless of whether or not you romance him, you can still be friends with the Dread Wolf and you've got his powers. You are connected, romance or not. 

[Caddius]

Going off the Louis XIV analogies made earlier...

Traditionally France was a very decentralized kingdom. The king often controlled little outside of Paris itself, and various Dukes squabbled with one another and occasionally got taken over by a foreign family. Thanks to a hilariously zany series of events, this is how the royal family of England managed to rule more of France than the King of France, which was a pain in the collective royal arse that festered into a brouhaha commonly referred to as the Hundred Years War.

Arguably starting with Louis XI, the Spider King, the French Kings slowly started to centralize. By this I mean that his regents centralized power so that they could rule, only for someone else to knock them off, take over as regent, and continue to centralize. Little Louis outlived them all and took advantage. They knocked England back at great cost.

In the 17th and 18th centuries, however, the real centralization began. Mazarin and Richlieu began it, and Louis XIV grew up to be the Sun King of a much stronger France. But France still excelled in squabbling nobles, much like Orlais.

So he basically created France's own Game. Where the nobles would hang out in Versailles with him, and compete over petty titles and minor bragging rights, like who got to clean the royal bum. (I wish I was kidding. In my family's defense, our French ancestry comes from stout Acadian peasant stock. ) They were so involved sucking up to the king and having their passive-aggressive duels between each other, they simply didn't have the time or inclination to pull a Duke of Burgundy on him.

Cue France becoming the model for centralized absolute monarchies in Europe, grabbing territory left and right, and making enough enemies that his successors would have a hard time of it. The Doctor seducing your favorite mistress and you dying by guillotine, respectively. 

Anyways. 

I'm curious as to how much authority the typical Emperor of Orlais wields, and how involved they are in the Game. If, as I suspect, they are currently embroiled in it even more than everyone else, then that's a huge flaw in Orlais. If an Emperor was able to set the nobility aside as Louis XIV did, however, Orlais could be improved upon, as obnoxious as its nobility is.

Say what I will about Kirkwall, their nobility seems to restrict itself to complaining at the Viscount's manor and the occasional assassination.

[Jaison1986]

People had Morrigan((Male only)) in Origins, that sort of balances it out?

 

Not quite, Alistair romance with an Cousland felt just as relevant story wise.

[Maria13]

Going off the Louis XIV analogies made earlier...

Traditionally France was a very decentralized kingdom. The king often controlled little outside of Paris itself, and various Dukes squabbled with one another and occasionally got taken over by a foreign family. Thanks to a hilariously zany series of events, this is how the royal family of England managed to rule more of France than the King of France, which was a pain in the collective royal arse that festered into a brouhaha commonly referred to as the Hundred Years War.

Arguably starting with Louis XI, the Spider King, the French Kings slowly started to centralize. By this I mean that his regents centralized power so that they could rule, only for someone else to knock them off, take over as regent, and continue to centralize. Little Louis outlived them all and took advantage. They knocked England back at great cost.

In the 17th and 18th centuries, however, the real centralization began. Mazarin and Richlieu began it, and Louis XIV grew up to be the Sun King of a much stronger France. But France still excelled in squabbling nobles, much like Orlais.

So he basically created France's own Game. Where the nobles would hang out in Versailles with him, and compete over petty titles and minor bragging rights, like who got to clean the royal bum. (I wish I was kidding. In my family's defense, our French ancestry comes from stout Acadian peasant stock. ) They were so involved sucking up to the king and having their passive-aggressive duels between each other, they simply didn't have the time or inclination to pull a Duke of Burgundy on him.

Cue France becoming the model for centralized absolute monarchies in Europe, grabbing territory left and right, and making enough enemies that his successors would have a hard time of it. The Doctor seducing your favorite mistress and you dying by guillotine, respectively. 

Anyways. 

I'm curious as to how much authority the typical Emperor of Orlais wields, and how involved they are in the Game. If, as I suspect, they are currently embroiled in it even more than everyone else, then that's a huge flaw in Orlais. If an Emperor was able to set the nobility aside as Louis XIV did, however, Orlais could be improved upon, as obnoxious as its nobility is.

Say what I will about Kirkwall, their nobility seems to restrict itself to complaining at the Viscount's manor and the occasional assassination.

 

I think the problem is once you set a grand game like that it motion it simply becomes self-perpetuating until and outside force pulls it apart. I think this is the trap Celene is in and I always have a laugh when Gaspard says: "I despise the game". One, it's a lie a two, despising the game is part of the game...

[drake2511]

Not quite, Alistair romance with an Cousland felt just as relevant story wise.

 

Cassandra is deeply tied to the main story, and she's a male LI, so... she also has a great amount of cut scenes that Solas doesn't have

[Caddius]

I think the problem is once you set a grand game like that it motion it simply becomes self-perpetuating until and outside force pulls it apart. I think this is the trap Celene is in and I always have a laugh when Gaspard says: "I despise the game". One, it's a lie a two, despising the game is part of the game...

Oh, yes.

[Colonelkillabee]

Cassandra is deeply tied to the main story, and she's a male LI, so... she also has a great amount of cut scenes that Solas doesn't have

Indeed, thanks for saying it first.

[Avejajed]

I just have to share this headline my newspaper is actually going to use.

 

 

'Get the POOP on the Sewage Grant'

 

*facepalm*

[RebbyWriter]

 

Patrick Weekes ‏@PatrickWeekes

Okay, future readers, I SUGGESTED I might kill a character, and @KarinWeekes put her crazy-cold hands in my armpit as a counterpoint.

 

Maker Bless Karin.

[Maria13]

Oh, yes.

 

Yeah, I think I'll pass on Gaga...

[Avejajed]

Maker Bless Karin.

 

wtf.      

[BoscoBread]

You know, some times I get upset that Solas romance is the way it is. And not really because of the break up. I mean, witch hunt anyone? But what bothers me is how Solas romance is so deeply tied to the story, it make it feels like all the other romances are rather meaningless. With Solas you have an relationship with the Dread wolf himself, it will likely have strong relevance to the overal plot. But with the others, you just have an relationship with this average person and that's it. IDK how to express myself better. It's just that Solas romance feels much more important, and it's almost unfair.

Eh.  I think all the romance did was underscore how unhappy and lonely he is.  Which was sort of the point.  I'm sure the romance is going to add extra umph to his overall arc, but I think in the end it'll be pretty much for the same for those that were just friends with him.  We see with his friendship with Cassandra, Varric, and Cole that he does care for people deeply in that way. It's really no less moving.  Just different. I'm assuming that if there is to be a happy ending with him, the romanced Lavellan will likely get an extra scene but that's really only going to be meaningful for the romance and not the character arc. 

 

I think the other romances are important, just serve different tastes.   It doesn't need to be intimately tied with the plot to be lovely i.e. Dorian's.  

[Caddius]

Yeah, I think I'll pass on Gaga...

I believe it's at this point I smile blandly, and then viciously gossip about your taste in shoes and the distinct lack of gaudy sequins in your giant hair-do with Leliana.

[Cecilia]

If it's post-game DLC, that's fine. I certainly hope Solavellan gets some more resolution.

 

I think if you want the leftover wealth and power you accumulated to mean something, you put it towards institutions that are built to last. I do think of endowing Skyhold as some kind of magic institute, a place for magic study outside Chantry control. I don't have any interest in being a baron, myself, but possibly Bioware will do something like what you're suggesting since people seem to like the noble titles and all that crap, whether it makes sense or not (arl of Amaranthine, a non-human inheriting Gwaren, etc.).

 

I think one of the running themes throughout the games is something along the lines of once a hero always a hero - you don't necessarily have to take and consolidate your power into a sustainable form, but even if you choose to go wandering nomad or disappear the way Hawke does, everything always eventually ends up going full circle and you get dragged back into the lifestyle whether you want to return or not. I suppose the idea is that, as much fun as it is to fantasize about retirement plans and lulzing off into the sunset, that's never an option once you have become something larger than yourself - heroism is a set of chains my dears. (Cauliflower coming back to bite Hawke in his/her/their bum, the Calling basically demanding the Warden die a heroic death unless they go on an epic findthecure quest) Once you become a hero, you stop belonging to yourself and start belonging to the people who made you one - it sucks, but c'est la vie.

 

My main issue with the whole *poof* no more Inquisition thing is people know Lel has secrets and you have connections - LOTS of secrets probably including their secrets. It's the difference between dealing with a firm in an economic model versus a single individual - firms will always act in accordance with the rules of IO because they are fundamentally rational actors, they are known quantities, and that makes those dealing with them either as cooperative partners or opponents feel safe and comfortable. Once the power of a firm is dissolved into individual actors with unclear motivations (it doesn't matter what you say because game theory states that the dominant strategy is always to lie) this security no longer applies, which at best results in confusion and a power vacuum, at worst, even more people trying to kill you when you lack the protection of an institution. (Also the whole - you can renounce the throne but your brother emperor is probably still going to come kill you because you are a potential figurehead for any rebellious powers) I don't think that it's impossible to completely dismantle everything, but it will take a really really really long time and I think an interim "form" of the Inquisition is still necessary in the dismantling process.

 

(Basically turning into a Circle of Magi/College of Skyhold/Vatican City of Skyhold is the most non-threatening option I can think of)

 

I don't think you can keep a standing army though - for a Circle, a force of templars/seekers as well as a small standing reserve would be sufficient. My personal opinion is that you have to turn the soft power into a predictable quantity for the rest of Thedas, but if you don't want to continue to look like an enormous threat, you have to get rid of your army.

 

Are there any other Theodosian groups that we hate besides Orlesians?

I understand that some people aren't fond of Tevinter, though I can't possibly fathom why. Blood magic and slavery are so in this year!

The Dog Lords of Ferelden can't possibly be hated. They're called Dog Lords.

Kirkwall is...is Kirkwall.

And I know I've seen a few with hatred for the Qunari. Like, say, Solas.

 

I'm honestly just ... bored of Fereldens. I'd rather play people from a civilization that showers and doesn't smell of dog and has a reasonably colorful culture (I'm sorry British culture isn't that ... interesting to me at this point). For all of its failings Orlais is at least distinctive (I also have a thing for decaying from the inside out gilded civilizations)

 

I think I may also be alone in finding the Qunari fascinating. Not that I want a society like theirs, but after DA2 I learned to love how very different they are from the other civilizations in Thedas. Also I may have been a bit hot for the Arishok... dat voice.

 

One thing I like in DAI is that you get to know each of the nations a bit more, so you can see their strengths and weaknesses and how civilization as a whole is perceived often has little to do with the daily lives of their citizens (as in that conversation with Bull) So I think all of them have something to like, though I'm more interested in the tribes that got left on the sides of history like the Avvar (I don't care much for empires even IRL)

 

I like the Qunari a lot too! The Qun is such an interesting theological study (there are definitely Buddhist influences there I know it) and their earth-equivalent historical placement is really cool (Ottoman empire wheee) I just would never want them anywhere near the rest of Thedas haha~

[Colonelkillabee]

I'm honestly just ... bored of Fereldens. I'd rather play people from a civilization that showers and doesn't smell of dog and has a reasonably colorful culture (I'm sorry British culture isn't that ... interesting to me at this point). For all of its failings Orlais is at least distinctive (I also have a thing for decaying from the inside out gilded civilizations)

Orlais' little fancy pants hoity toity society is hardly distinctive. We could just generalize them as the french and stick them with that trope, though I find the real life french to be a loooot more interesting that Orlais... they know how to play "The Game".

 

Thedas needs more barbarism.

[Satsumi]

Orlais' little fancy pants hoity toity society is hardly distinctive. We could just generalize them as the french and stick them with that trope, though I find the real life french to be a loooot more interesting that Orlais... they know how to play "The Game".

 

Thedas needs more barbarism.

Ferelden FTW.