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[dragondreamer]

They seem to be. That's why I don't have many issues headcanoning that my Lavellan is a little more open with her friendships with "the shems" than say someone like Vellanna(let me LOVE YOU).  They seem to have traded with humans often enough and were willing to send a spy to the Conclave.   

 

Even Velanna was not typical of her clan though.  Her clan actually kicked her out because they disapproved of her rage and need for vengeance against humans.  Based on the members of her clan we could meet, they seemed rather like Clan Lavellan, and even approved of Velanna helping humans.  They thought it would be good for her.

[Mims]

Hmm, I would disagree that we've had any DA demigod's before now. The Warden was just someone who got caught up in the 5th blight and did the best she could to raise an army to defeat the darkspawn and archdemon. She had a lot of help and no special powers. Hawke was just someone who got caught up in the political turmoil of her adopted city and found herself becoming a leader in a vacuum. She also had a lot of help and no special powers. The Inquisitor is different. 

 

Yeah, I agree very much with this. Hawke and the Warden are outstanding people who happened to be in the right place at the right time. Although you could maybe argue that the Amell bloodline might be particularly powerful if Hawke was a mage. But they were still 'normal', in terms of their world. [And in both cases, they would have died without Flemeth's intervention.] 

 

The Inquisitor essentially has super powers. I half expect the Inquisitor to have acquired even more power at the end of the game- she/he was the last to hold the orb before it depleted. Which makes sense if her enemy is going to be an elven god, whether its Solas or another. You scale the player's potential power to what you need them to be able to accomplish. 

[SerBlacky]

The Arlathvhen could result in a large number of clans gathered, and there's supposed to be one in Halamshiral we haven't seen happen yet.  Briala's eluvians might be the answer to moving the City Elves quickly.

 

 

Ah, there it is then.  I wonder what that means for the eluvians then, unless we suddenly learn that Briala escaped execution somehow.

Unless I'm mistaken, you have to actively implicate Briala for her to be executed, she just isn't mentionned otherwise (Solas dialogue afterwards is a bit confusing). I recall she was executed with Gaspard on the throne (but they could pull an evasion scenario if they find it more convenient, or give the key to another elf if we are to interact with the eluvians in further DLCs).

[Janic99]

Mh, I'm torn on this.
 

It's nice to get to know new characters. But with all this character jumping it feels (at least to me) that their stories never end. For example the Hero of Ferelden, I kinda miss her. I would like to play her again, but I know that is not going to happen, if anything she will just be an NPC in the next game the way Hawke was in DAI.

If they can resolve Solas' story in a DLC then maybe I would be okay with changing protagonist.. 
But I really doubt it can all be solved in just a DLC..? And I don't want them to rush everything. Witch Hunt was very short.. Unless it ends tragically so there is nothing to carry over (God no!) and they can just make a new character D:

And it's not just about the Inquisitor.. If the Inquisition ends up, what will happen to everyone? "And they all went their ways, and were never seen again"?
Maybe it's because the game is relatively new still, but I don't feel ready to say goodbye to the characters yet

Edit: ToP Suspicious/Creepy Solas

Spoiler

Solas: '' Don't tell me you were thinking about Abelas right now........ '' * evil eyes. *
Lavellan: '' OH WHO SAID I WAS '' * touching her hair nervously. *

[flabbadence]

All clans are different from each other, so we can't really pin down a "typical" clan, tbh.  Though they're definitely on the more liberal side of clans.  The storyteller in DA:O does point out that some clans view City Elves as a potential bridge to understanding humans, to the Dalish.  Another interesting factor, is how the Dalish might react when faced with ugly truths about the ancient elves and their gods.  The Dalish are about "never again will we submit"...  If those guys show up and expect them to become slaves again, how might they react?

 

Hmm, I thought Briala might have been executed in one scenario, but if she always survives, that's really interesting.  I'd considered before that she might end up becoming a leader for an elven coalition, especially in the absence of an elven Inquisitor.  The eluvian business, which is still unresolved, also potentially places her in a major position for leading an elven force. 

 

Alright, I conceed the Arlathvehn and the eluvian network will up the elves' fighting chances considerably, if they can manage to unite. 

 

About the gods awakening, I bet most Dalish will be really glad at first. Their legends tell them that the reason for all their suffering right now can be traced to Fen'Harel locking the gods away, so they'll probably be all hopeful once they see that's reversed. And when they realize just how awful their Creators actually are, they'll have a crisis of fate at least as potent as Cory's, and then who knows? I don't think Fen'Harel will be able to fool the gods into their prisons a second time.

 

Edit: Yet another reason why I don't think this is Solas's plan. It just doesn't work, short-term or long-term.

[KarateKats]

Solas: '' Don't tell me you were thinking about Abelas right now........ '' * evil eyes. *
Lavellan: '' OH WHO SAID I WAS '' * touching her hair nervously. *

So I take it you're on team #ABELLAN as well?

[Moondreamer01]

But will they be able to unite fast enough before they get annihilated? Sure the Dalish can hide in the forests, but the alienage elves and the enslaved are going to get slaughtered quicker than you can say "Fen'harel enansal"

 

It would definitely be the kind of plot where collateral damage is considered acceptable. A lot of collateral damage. The greater good trumping all kind of thing. The thought that this could be Solas' plan frighten me. Unless he can be stopped in time, i don't think that there is any way he could ever be redeemed in the eye of the general population if he does it.

 

 

 

Now I made myself sad...

 

 

Edit : TOP Solas

 

Spoiler

 

 

Source : http://www.fanpop.com

 

[Janic99]

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That's you right now

 

And right now I'm Scar....

Well at least you are a scar.. I am literally Jane from Tarzan

Foreigners call me Jane because my real name is Janika. I am weirdo. I draw (so do all art and stuff) I have blue eyes and sort of dark blonde hair/ light brown

literally this is me:




LOL 

[Addai]

I think one of the running themes throughout the games is something along the lines of once a hero always a hero - you don't necessarily have to take and consolidate your power into a sustainable form, but even if you choose to go wandering nomad or disappear the way Hawke does, everything always eventually ends up going full circle and you get dragged back into the lifestyle whether you want to return or not.

If there's something specific that requires a mark that can open and close the Fade, then I imagine my Lavellan will be there. Vague scenarios about stimulating the economy or helping keep governments in check or playing spy vs. spy isn't really the same thing.
 

My main issue with the whole *poof* no more Inquisition thing is people know Lel has secrets and you have connections - LOTS of secrets probably including their secrets.

What's more threatening, you knowing their secrets and being a nobody who's given up your power or you knowing their secrets while still maintaining a shadow organization with no accountability to anyone?

[Janic99]

Okay... A little turned on now...

I love you Elven_Glory<3

[Siha]

I thought the cat, personally.

 

Definitely the cat

 

Well, thank you very much. I hate you all.

 

Is it possible for Briala to be executed?  If she always lives, that might be significant.

 

I actually think it is. I remember having to defend Briala at least once, when Celene accused her of treason. I had to sacrifice Gaspard in order to save her. But maybe I misinterpreted and she is only exiled if I do not defend her. But I assumed she would be executed if I don't sacrifice Gaspard instead.

 

Siha,my love, submit yourself

 

...to have and to hold, for richer for poorer, til death do you part? - I do.

 

SO not to change the subject but word on the street is that this is a kind of support group for Solasmancers. Guys, I need you. The feels! They hurt! *dramatic sigh*

 

For who? Oh... yeah right, yeah. What stage of grief are you in?

Denial & isolation - second door on the left.

Anger - punching bag right in the main hall. Out the door over there and then you should see it already, hard to miss.

Bargaining - desire demon Anita; had to move her to the cellar for reasons. Better take a flashlight with you.

Depression - over in the other wing where the bar's at. We also have some really nice pancakes over there.

Acceptance - right here in this room.

[flabbadence]

It would definitely be the kind of plot where collateral damage is considered acceptable. A lot of collateral damage. The greater good trumping all kind of thing. The thought that this could be Solas' plan frighten me. Unless he can be stopped in time, i don't think that there is any way he could ever be redeemed in the eye of the general population if he does it.

 

 

 

Now I made myself sad...

 

Except I don't think this is Solas's vision of the greater good. Yes he would like to help the elves. But would causing a calamity to unite them against the rest of Thedas really be helpful in the long run? That'll just make the humans unite and try to take them down as well, and they'll probably have a higher chance of success simply because they're much more numerous and they're the ones in control.

[Colonelkillabee]

Well at least you are a scar.. I am literally Jane from Tarzan

Foreigners call me Jane because my real name is Janika. I am weirdo. I draw (so do all art and stuff) I have blue eyes and sort of dark blonde hair/ light brown

literally this is me:



LOL 

 

Where are you from? I honestly didn't think of you being from anywhere specific, but I just read this now in a russian accent

 

If I were to really compare myself to a disney character though, it'd be a combination of Mufasa and Scar. The conniving bit, I have, but the... lets say, flamboyant thing he has? No, not a bit... lol, not any of that at all.

[dragondreamer]

Alright, I conceed the Arlathvehn and the eluvian network will up the elves' fighting chances considerably, if they can manage to unite. 

 

About the gods awakening, I bet most Dalish will be really glad at first. Their legends tell them that the reason for all their suffering right now can be traced to Fen'Harel locking the gods away, so they'll probably be all hopeful once they see that's reversed. And when they realize just how awful their Creators actually are, they'll have a crisis of fate at least as potent as Cory's, and then who knows? I don't think Fen'Harel will be able to fool the gods into their prisons a second time.

 

Edit: Yet another reason why I don't think this is Solas's plan. It just doesn't work, short-term or long-term.

 

Might not be Solas' plan, but it might be a result.  I don't see a long-term uniting, I don't see that as realistic or even something I'd want, but it may shake up elven societies, particularly the Dalish.  Thedas is changing, and I think that will also extend to the elves.  Exactly what Solas is doing, who can say, but I don't think it's going to be pleasant.  The modern elves of Thedas may likely have to choose whether they'll submit to the old ways, or fight against it. 

 

It would definitely be the kind of plot where collateral damage is considered acceptable. A lot of collateral damage. The greater good trumping all kind of thing. The thought that this could be Solas' plan frighten me. Unless he can be stopped in time, i don't think that there is any way he could ever be redeemed in the eye of the general population if he does it.

 

 

 

Now I made myself sad...

 

I'm reminded of Solas' banter with Sera that I heard the other day.  When he talks about being willing to do the "ugly work that must be done", it's creepy.  And the fate he wouldn't wish on his worst enemy...  Solas is headed down a terrible road. 

[SerBlacky]

Alright, I conceed the Arlathvehn and the eluvian network will up the elves' fighting chances considerably, if they can manage to unite. 

 

About the gods awakening, I bet most Dalish will be really glad at first. Their legends tell them that the reason for all their suffering right now can be traced to Fen'Harel locking the gods away, so they'll probably be all hopeful once they see that's reversed. And when they realize just how awful their Creators actually are, they'll have a crisis of fate at least as potent as Cory's, and then who knows? I don't think Fen'Harel will be able to fool the gods into their prisons a second time.

 

Edit: Yet another reason why I don't think this is Solas's plan. It just doesn't work, short-term or long-term.

Manage to unite but under what? In the case of City elves, do the ones in Ferelden alienages have much in common with the ones from Antiva? Sure they all keep a tree and elect a Harhen but I don't see that being enough to unite them to a common cause. They don't even have an Arlathvehn like the Dalish to set a course of action. The eluvian network is a bit of a wildcard, I can't shake the feeling there is something creepy going on here...

 

Solas's plan... we know he changed it with the destruction of the Orb. The thing is we don't really have a grasp of what his former plan was in the first place

[Augeia]

 

What stage of grief are you in?

 

See that's the thing. I got stuck on denial, aaannd then I started a Nightmare Lavellan playthrough so now I get to start the whole thing all over again.

Heading left now...

[Moondreamer01]

Except I don't think this is Solas's vision of the greater good. Yes he would like to help the elves. But would causing a calamity to unite them against the rest of Thedas really be helpful in the long run? That'll just make the humans unite and try to take them down as well, and they'll probably have a higher chance of success simply because they're much more numerous.

 

Oh, I wasn't thinking of uniting them against the rest of Thedas... more like uniting them WITH the rest of Thedas against some exterior threat. Although... if the Blights haven't managed to do so, I'm not sure what would. As I said before, it's way in the left field and chances are good I'm wrong (please tell me I'm wrong).  I've just yet to find a answer to what Solas is planning that I'm totally satisfied with.

[Cecilia]

If there's something specific that requires a mark that can open and close the Fade, then I imagine my Lavellan will be there. Vague scenarios about stimulating the economy or helping keep governments in check or playing spy vs. spy isn't really the same thing.
 
What's more threatening, you knowing their secrets and being a nobody who's given up your power or you knowing their secrets while still maintaining a shadow organization with no accountability to anyone?

 

What I'm trying to point out is that if your Inquis just ditches and goes (more or less Hawke at the end of DA2) your inevitable fate will catch up with you eventually. It's a little like the age old notion that for a story to end happily, it must end and that ending must be final - unless the DA franchise closes this generation's story with DA:I regardless of what your Inquisitor does, you are always going to be dragged back into the vortex. It's the nature of heroism and storytelling. 

 

That is why my point is you have to implement a form of integrated institution that works within the political and social landscape of Thedas - you have to turn yourself from a variable into a known quantity, which then gives you the liberty to slowly scale back the level of power your known quantity holds if you so desire. I've never advocated a shadow organization - and I think that's exactly the type of fear that would arise if you holistically disbanded the Inquisition without arranging for a suitable stand in for the power vacuum that causes. If you study game theory/human behavior, you'd realize that people don't care who holds their secrets and they don't care what you say you want - the fact that secrets are being held is threatening in and of itself and they are more likely to act (lethally) against you if they don't perceive you as being constrained by the rules of The Game, so to speak. Nobody (in a political/game theory sense) likes a wild card.

 

On another note, I was wondering about Moses-parallels in Briala? She was, in a sense, "one of the Orlesian nobility" thanks to her position, but then she turns around and decides to be all "let my people go." 

[nikki-tikki]

If I were to really compare myself to a disney character though, it'd be a combination of Mufasa and Scar.

 

Nope. This is you.

 

[Moondreamer01]

[snip]

 

 

I'm reminded of Solas' banter with Sera that I heard the other day.  When he talks about being willing to do the "ugly work that must be done", it's creepy.  And the fate he wouldn't wish on his worst enemy...  Solas is headed down a terrible road. 

 

Isn't he also the one who said the healer has the bloodiest hands? That one gave me the chills...

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[flabbadence]

<snip>

Nobody (in a political/game theory sense) likes a wild card.

 

Yes Solas, nobody likes a wild card. *sigh*

[dragondreamer]

Oh, I wasn't thinking of uniting them against the rest of Thedas... more like uniting them WITH the rest of Thedas against some exterior threat. although... if the Blights haven't managed to do so before, I'm not sure what would. As I said before, it's way in the left field and chances are good I'm wrong (please tell me I'm wrong).  I've just yet to find a answer to what Solas is planning that I'm totally satisfied with.

 

Yeah, this is what I'm saying as well.  If elves are suddenly the big bad enemy in Thedas, the modern elves of Thedas may find themselves having to either join whatever that is, or creating a united opposing force for the sake of their own survival.  This is unlikely to be permanent, though everything might end up changing the elves of Thedas in unforeseen ways.

[Avejajed]

Well, thank you very much. I hate you all.

 

You do not.

[Colonelkillabee]

Nope. This is you.

 

 

You're right, what the **** was I on about. That is definitely the better comparison.