if someone can't handle a joke, they need to step outside more. They certainly shouldn't be on the Internet.The one Morrigan joke was about taking pleasure in stabbing her. It's not comfortable talk for some people.
I think some people have a very interesting definition of both "character bashing" and "off topic".
Among all the shots fired, can I ask the very innocent newcomer question that is :
What is Team Optimism?
Sounds like what I could use right now, if I'm not mistaken.
Guys. Let's drop it. Half of what makes the Solas thread appealing is the general friendliness.
Have a Fen'Harel smut.
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This is ridiculous. While I was still thinking about the "Back to topic" argument you advanced this thread by like 2 pages?
And Abelas is on topic for me.
Solas absorbed Mythal, Mythal commands Abelas. Simple transitive relation implies Solas commands Abelas.
In case Abelas was killed, see my previous post. Or deduce first order logic:
(S => A) or (S => /A)
per definition: true or false = true
So, Solas commands Abelas, dead or alive.
q.e.d
(Legal disclaimer: This logic ignores a few of the fundamental laws of logic deduction and should not be fed to a Turing machine unless the user is prepared to kill the last unicorn.)
Agreed. I think his line about Morrigan being a glutton was more that she seemed like she would do ANYTHING to get that knowledge. Solas - though similar to Morrigan in regards to love of knowledge - is not going to set the world on fire to get it. Wisdom for the sake of wisdome... blah blah. She didn't seem to care what it entailed. If she was more thoughtful, hesistant, concerned he probably would have said nothing.
In regards to knowledge, I think Morrigan's ruthlessness comes from her view that she needs to knowledge in order to achieve her goals. The stakes are high for her, so she will go to incredible lengths to ensure that she acquires the knowledge she needs. If that means killing some random elf - one that she believes is probably just a cultist - it doesn't really matter. It's not a huge loss compared to what can be gained from saving and subsequently drinking from the Well.
Solas already has all the knowledge he needs to achieve his goals (or at least all the knowledge he thinks he needs). So in that regard he does not NEED to be ruthless in obtaining more. The world isn't going to end if he doesn't sleep in one more ruin. But he is totally willing to be a bit ruthless when it comes to doing what he thinks he needs to do. Morrigan killed a random elf to get closer to her goals: Solas kills his best friend (whether she willingly sacrificed herself or not is not really the point here).
I love Solas, I think he's a good person. But I don't think he's much "better," or much further on the good side of the spectrum than Morrigan is.
Among all the shots fired, can I ask the very innocent newcomer question that is :
What is Team Optimism?
Sounds like what I could use right now, if I'm not mistaken.
Team Optimism are the people keeping hopes up for a good ending. Maybe even a happy one. 
Among all the shots fired, can I ask the very innocent newcomer question that is :
What is Team Optimism?
Sounds like what I could use right now, if I'm not mistaken.
Team Optimism is we who are desperately staving off the feels hellspiral and angst, and clinging to the hope of a happy ending. 
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Wow~ Yes that's so interesting!
I wonder though, in that context, if whoever started the Qun was an ancient elvhen then? The origins of the Qun are described almost like a mirror of the origin story of Siddhartha
Long ago, the Ashkaari lived in a great city by the sea. Wealth and prosperity shone upon the city like sunlight, and still its people grumbled in discontent. The Ashkaari walked the streets of his home and saw that all around him were the signs of genius: triumphs of architecture, artistic masterpieces, the palaces of wealthy merchants, libraries, and concert halls. But he also saw signs of misery: the poor, sick, lost, frightened, and the helpless. And the Ashkaari asked himself, "How can one people be both wise and ignorant, great and ruined, triumphant and despairing?"
So the Ashkaari left the land of his birth, seeking out other cities and nations, looking for a people who had found wisdom enough to end hopelessness and despair. He wandered for many years through empires filled with palaces and gardens, but in every nation of the wise, the great, the mighty, he found the forgotten, the abandoned, and the poor. Finally, he came to a vast desert, a wasteland of bare rock clawing at the empty sky, where he took shelter in the shadow of a towering rock, and resolved to meditate until he found his answer or perished.Many days passed until one night, as he gazed out from the shadow of the rocks, he saw the lifeless desert awaken. A hundred thousand locusts hatched from the barren ground, and as one, they turned south, a single wave of moving earth. The Ashkaari rose and followed in their wake: a path of devastation miles wide, the once verdant land turned to waste. And the Ashkaari's eyes were opened.
Existence is a choice.
There is no chaos in the world, only complexity.Knowledge of the complex is wisdom.From wisdom of the world comes wisdom of the self.Mastery of the self is mastery of the world.Loss of the self is the source of suffering.Suffering is a choice, and we can refuse it.It is in our power to create the world, or destroy it.And the Ashkaari went forth to his people.
Agreed. I think his line about Morrigan being a glutton was more that she seemed like she would do ANYTHING to get that knowledge. Solas - though similar to Morrigan in regards to love of knowledge - is not going to set the world on fire to get it. Wisdom for the sake of wisdome... blah blah. She didn't seem to care what it entailed. If she was more thoughtful, hesistant, concerned he probably would have said nothing.
Mhm~ I think a huge part of Solas' character is that preservation of what remains of his people is important to him, but completely opposed to how Morrigan views preservation - it's more like, understanding the value of something and not trying to twist it into something it is not, leaving beautiful things be if touching them will corrupt/despoil them, which is Morrigan wrt the vir'abelasan in a nutshell.
After many days I come back to check the Solas thread.
Aaaaand now I leave again.
This was a nice place once. Now... not so much.
Meh. You can't stand on the sidelines then complain about the collective who actively talk when it's too late. If you want to change something, you have to participate.
Meh. You can't stand on the sidelines then complain about the collective who actively talk when it's too late. If you want to change something, you have to participate.
I was just sitting here thinking man...people who complain about this thread must not ever visit any of the other threads. Ever.
Well, screenshots aren't going to make my love for you eternal, but we're mortals anyway so it probably won't really matter
Alright flabbadence, apparently I MUST have your eternal love so I sacrificed a goat and danced naked under a full moon to make this gif. I am not sure if this is what you were hoping for, but...
Edit: I had to delete the gif...if was lagging up the page really badly. Gonna try rescaling, but I can't do it till tomorrow. Gotta sleep and stuff.
What is Team Optimism?
People hoping Solas will come back and we can complete our Solavellan romance for real.
After many days I come back to check the Solas thread.
Aaaaand now I leave again.
This was a nice place once. Now... not so much.
Maybe you should take a page out of Ghandi's book and be the change you want to see. If people lurking want to see more chatter about Solas, than maybe they should start posting more stuff about Solas to jump start the conversation that they obviously want to be having.
Also, insinuating that this place isn't nice is an incredibly rude thing to do. This thread is full of some of the most gifted and completely and totally 100% sweetest people that I've had the pleasure of meeting on the internet.
On my second (canon) playthrough, I made sure to get everything right this time.
"Everything right" means "flirt with any living thing". But don't commit. Like if you pick the heart option once too often with Blackwall (on the battlements) you are locked in. Which is fine if you do not speak to Solas again until you broke up with Blackwall. If you do wait until being single again, you can still start the Solas romance. He is rather liberal about that, as long as you don't speak to him in the meantime.
And like I always say, if you want to see off-topic, go into the other threads. Sera and cass... No mans land.
Well, the Cass thread stays on-topic for many pages. And it is basically dead.
In regards to knowledge, I think Morrigan's ruthlessness comes from her view that she needs to knowledge in order to achieve her goals. The stakes are high for her, so she will go to incredible lengths to ensure that she acquires the knowledge she needs. If that means killing some random elf - one that she believes is probably just a cultist - it doesn't really matter. It's not a huge loss compared to what can be gained from saving and subsequently drinking from the Well.
Solas already has all the knowledge he needs to achieve his goals (or at least all the knowledge he thinks he needs). So in that regard he does not NEED to be ruthless in obtaining more. The world isn't going to end if he doesn't sleep in one more ruin. But he is totally willing to be a bit ruthless when it comes to doing what he thinks he needs to do. Morrigan killed a random elf to get closer to her goals: Solas kills his best friend (whether she willingly sacrificed herself or not is not really the point here).
I love Solas, I think he's a good person. But I don't think he's much "better," or much further on the good side of the spectrum than Morrigan is.
Oh yeah. I agree. He will do whatever he needs to do to further his goals but he does value learning for the sake of it - he says that to Cassandra. Those things are not mutually exclusive. He likes when you tell him you are learning your mage specialization to just learn. And he's like 'oh..how wonderful' and nerds out a bit. I think that love is geniune and pretty innocent.
We don't really know what Morrigan's goals are. I've never felt her to be anything other than sort of a more crazed Indiana Jones thus her shanking of Abelas(gives side-eye to people who did that). Again, her desire to collect ALL THE INFORMATION may be leading to something totally terrible but I never got that sense from her. I do have a massive soft sport for her as a character though.
I think for both Solas/Morrigan - the ends justify the means. Though I will give Solas more credit, he is much more thoughtful and does seem to try to avoid violence/killing if he can. So in conclusion, I think we agree with eachother???
People hoping Solas will come back and we can complete our Solavellan romance for real.
EDIT: And you get a happy ending
Well, the Cass thread stays on-topic for many pages. And it is basically dead.
A lot of that probably has to do with knowing how Cass's story wraps up in DAI. With Solas, we have NFC what's going on or will be happening now, and considering who Solas seems to be that leaves things very ripe for theorycrafting and discussing and dissecting everything to find clues or answers.
EDIT: And you get a happy ending
Just not completely tragic will do. At least, a choice for a not completely tragic ending.
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