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I still maintain that the redemption arc is the stronger one.  Seriously, the guy can only go through so much crap when it's just ridiculous.  Sort of like Cullen, solas just needs a happy ending(romance or no).  Though...come to think of it a redemption arc may include self-sacrifice at the end. So...you know. 

Ah, the altruistic self-sacrifice ending. I tend to really enjoy these, especially in fantasy books; one of my first and favorites included this for a main character at the final part of the trilogy. If done right, it's can be fitting and remarkably touching. But....

 

This. More than anything, more than he and my Lavellan getting their happily-ever-after ending, I just want Solas to be ok. Patrick Weekes said that he made the romance specifically to showcase Solas' tragedy, and it worked. My Lavellan is young and spirited. She's not the type of girl to sink down into death because a man leaves her. She'll be ok. I'm not entirely sure Solas will be ok...

This, so much this.

[zambixi]

Actually, that just made me wonder.... what do you think is he now? We know that Mythal did not simply coexist with Flemeth, they kind of merged. Mythal influenced Flemeths thoughts and feelings, and the other way round.

Now Mythal had to leave Flemeth's body and is in Solas. Do they merge, too? Do we have an altered Solas now? Considering Mythal's and Flemeth's romantic back stories it should add quite another awkward side to his inherent hesitation.

 

(I still think he might just be a temporary host for her, trying to save her because Flemeth's body was failing, but just out of curiosity...)

 

There seem to be different levels of soul-merging. Justice and Anders were mostly the same person but occasionally Justice would be more prevalent or take over entirely (such as in the Fade).  Mythal and Flemeth seemed to be one person. Kieran and OGB seemed to be separate beings inhabiting the same body. I seriously doubt Solas would have (knowingly) done anything that might impact his personal autonomy, so I can't see him allowing himself to be influenced by Flemythal, unless he was tricked into doing so.

[Siha]

I do wonder what it means for Flemeth though... did her feelings and personality merge with the essence of Mythal, or is she now gone forever? Or maybe she'll pop up out of an amulet one day in the future.

 

I would like that. But I fear Flemeth can't do that, she is not powerful enough. I am fairly certain it was Mythal who made her so strong. And Flemeth was old, that last body of her's needed a replacement even 10 years ago in DAO.

But since she still went by the name and image of Flemeth despite having taken over the bodies of her daughters for a while already, we must assume that (1) also Flemeth's soul endures and (2) it wasn't only Flemeth anyway. It was probably Mythal + Flemeth + x. Basically a mulligan.

Or the whole thing does not make sense at all, which I start to think now and never even considered before. What ever happened to the souls of those other daughters of her?

[Colonelkillabee]

I wouldn't let it bother you too much. In my vast experience the people who complain the loudest are the ones who only post once every few weeks. We know what this thread is, who it is filled with, and why it is the best thread on the BSN.

I made a chart, remember?

In fact, next time someone wants to whine about how people are enjoying the company of others in fun conversation in a community discussion, we should just direct them to page 3000, so if they had any doubt that the majority of us like the way this thread is, they'll know better from then on.

 

I see people like Mims and Addai actually helping get things back on topic not by whining but by actually presenting something on topic to talk about...

 

That's how it's done.

 

And before someone says it, no I don't really care that I'm not helping by continuing the conversation of offtopicness, lol.

[jawsisinmywc]

Hey guys, I am really sorry...it was me who posted something that made the thread really laggy on that one page. I made my first gif with wayyyyy too many images which is why it got so laggy. I deleted it and am going to try resizing it. Unfortunately I have to go to bed now. Sleep tight everyone and keep the blanket fort warm!

[Avejajed]

*wags tail*

You are the best thing.

[Delphine]

He's like the Doctor~ don't travel alone 

Yep, exactly like the Doctor indeed!

 

I still maintain that the redemption arc is the stronger one.  Seriously, the guy can only go through so much crap when it's just ridiculous.  Sort of like Cullen, solas just needs a happy ending(romance or no).  Though...come to think of it a redemption arc may include self-sacrifice at the end. So...you know. 

Agreed. And I'll honestly sacrifice my Inquisitor if that means I can save him. That's all I want, save the damn egg from himself.
It's utterly frustrating and painful, when as the inquisitor, you saved pretty much everybody's behinds, but the person you care and love the most? Nah, you couldn't.

 

This. More than anything, more than he and my Lavellan getting their happily-ever-after ending, I just want Solas to be ok. Patrick Weekes said that he made the romance specifically to showcase Solas' tragedy, and it worked. My Lavellan is young and spirited. She's not the type of girl to sink down into death because a man leaves her. She'll be ok. I'm not entirely sure Solas will be ok...

If I relate with my inquisitor, she'll be most likely spirit-broken about this. To the point she'd ask Cole to make her forget, or ask Morrigan or whoever, to teach her to go into Uthenera.

The game emphasize a LOT about the fact that your quizzie is special to Solas, that she gives him hope, that she's a breath of fresh air and all.

But the thing is, Solas is all that if not more to my quizzie. The fact he exists, think like he does, and see things the way he does, makes my quizzie question everything under a new light, one with hope and brightness, one that she desperately needed to keep on having faith towards a better world.

It was not a one-way thing, she sadly needed him more to keep on trying to make things better. So if she sees she absolutely can't save him at all, it'll definitely crush her. Hard.

This situation hits close to home, if I'm being honest. Being in a relationship with someone you can't save from themselves, despite all your trying, patience, love and caring, is quite the most disheartening thing ever. The feelings of helplessness, failure and sadness are overwhelming. Even to this day, I'm not over it. Meh, fck it.

[Uirebhiril]

But that whole "I know better than anyone else" attitude?  That is going to enrage her.  Between Solas and Flemythal and Coryflora, the next person who tells her "You couldn't possibly understand" is angling for an arrow to the knee.  She's a smart cookie, she'll understand if one of you creepy ancient beings would deign to get off the f***ing high horse and explain for a change.

 

I think my Lavellan could get behind this and agree. She's mortal and maybe some things really are going to be outside of her comprehension, maybe the big shot ancient elder god types see her as nothing more than a child and don't feel the need to explain grown-up stuff to her, but if they, y'know, tried somewhere along the line they might be surprised at how much a devolved and primitive brain might grasp. Goodness knows she's witnessed and participated in some seriously out-there stuff since getting that funky mark on her hand...

 

With the Dread Wolf thing, I'm not going to state how my Lavellan will handle that bit of news until I see the context in which it is delivered, if it will be. By the end of Inquisition she's been given a lot of things to think about and is no longer quite so willing to just believe everything she was taught by her clan. Not after the experiences she's had or the individuals she's met. But having someone pop up and say, haha, I am your devil bogeyman is not going to get an automatic "Huh. 'Kay!" from her. She'll at least study the evidence or hear Solas out, if she sees him again. And then she'll form her own goddamn opinion not influenced by Dalish teaching or her former relationship with Solas.

 

And hopefully be able to love him anyway.

[Mims]

Hey guys, I am really sorry...it was me who posted something that made the thread really laggy on that one page. I made my first gif with wayyyyy too many images which is why it got so laggy. I deleted it and am going to try resizing it. Unfortunately I have to go to bed now. Sleep tight everyone and keep the blanket fort warm!

 

You killed the forum with a gif.

 

[Augeia]

OMG CHARTS! YESSS. Thanks Squish.

[bunniebean]

This is weird but something on this page 3051 is lagging up my browser and ONLY this page.

Seriously lol it took the past half hour to get to this page

[Illyria]

I remember Addai saying that it could be remnant of the elven tattoos since they used to be their slaves... They are indeed badass. Bull's made me pretty jealous I couldn't have something like those. Though I wouldn't join the Qun for them, lol.

 

Is there any confirmation that the Qunari were elven slaves?  I recall the codex for Freed are the Slaves made people it was about elves and the qunari, but I think it's much more likely to be the seven magisters pre-Black City (there's a pretty good reason why the country of 'we didn't start the Blights, you can't prove anything' would want that hidden).

[laurelinvanyar]

 

And with that, I'll take your advice and migrate south for the winter to the Abelas thread where I belong.

 

Liz! No! Who will I share badass Tenebrium headcanons with???

 

 

[KarateKats]

Spoiler

 

And with that, I'll take your advice and migrate south for the winter to the Abelas thread where I belong.

 

[BoscoBread]

Ah, the altruistic self-sacrifice ending. I tend to really enjoy these, especially in fantasy books; one of my first and favorites included this for a main character at the final part of the trilogy. If done right, it's can be fitting and remarkably touching. But....

 

This, so much this.

I know.  The self-sacrifce is the one that's on heaviest rotation in "Solas' Most Tragic Hits"(it's my way of inuring myself to potential heartache).  I have this image that you're just standing there, tears streaming down your face telling him 'no, it doesn't have to be this way' but knowing it does.  He's all like 'Hush, vhenan' as he wipes tears from your cheeks. He tells you that his time with you was the most at peace and the happiest he's been in his long life.  He kisses you one final time...

 

*shoves you all back into the hellspiral*

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ah, the altruistic self-sacrifice ending. I tend to really enjoy these, especially in fantasy books; one of my first and favorites included this for a main character at the final part of the trilogy. If done right, it's can be fitting and remarkably touching. But....

 

If Solas goes the Mordin route, I am going to dissolve into a bucket of tears.  Then I'm going to stubbornly headcanon that Lavellan goes the Flemeth route and picks up Fen'Harel's soul wisp.

 

Agreed. And I'll honestly sacrifice my Inquisitor if that means I can save him. That's all I want, save the damn egg from himself.

It's utterly frustrating and painful, when as the inquisitor, you saved pretty much everybody's behinds, but the person you care and love the most? Nah, you couldn't.

 

I got the hopeless relationship vibe from the Anders romance more strongly than the Solas one, and as much as it killed me watching Anders go nuts during Act 3, it was a fascinating RP experience.  Especially since you could definitely try to save him, even if the attempt was doomed to failure.  That said, I already played out that story once to its inevitably tragic conclusion with my Hawke and Anders.  I'm not sure if I wanna do it again with Solas and Lavellan.

[Yaslana]

Maybe you should take a page out of Ghandi's book and be the change you want to see. If people lurking want to see more chatter about Solas, than maybe they should start posting more stuff about Solas to jump start the conversation that they obviously want to be having.

Also, insinuating that this place isn't nice is an incredibly rude thing to do. This thread is full of some of the most gifted and completely and totally 100% sweetest people that I've had the pleasure of meeting on the internet.

 

Oh I don't have a problem with off-topic. 

 

I have a problem with the fact, that every time I look into this thread someone is fighting, and people are getting rude with each other.

 

So, no, for me this doesn't feel like a very nice and comfortable place anymore. For me. That are MY PERSONAL FEELINGS.

You feel different? Good! I'm glad people sill have a good and safe place here.

But since I am not the only one who feels that this thread is not what it once was, something seems to have changed.

 

There are talented people here. Sure. I never said there weren't.

I have met very nice and sweet people here. But many of them left.

There are nice and sweet people still here, I'm sure.

 

Maybe they are just quiet when I have time to come here.

Or maybe I just come here to the wrong times!

Its 10 pm where I am. XD 

 

Okay, not to myself, don't come to the Solas thread at 10pm.

 

 

And yeah I know how toxic other BSN places can be. 

God, I still read the PC Community Concerns thread... XD THAT is one toxic pile of ****.

[zambixi]

I would like that. But I fear Flemeth can't do that, she is not powerful enough. I am fairly certain it was Mythal who made her so strong. And Flemeth was old, that last body of her's needed a replacement even 10 years ago in DAO.

But since she still went by the name and image of Flemeth despite having taken over the bodies of her daughters for a while already, we must assume that (1) also Flemeth's soul endures and (2) it wasn't only Flemeth anyway. It was probably Mythal + Flemeth + x. Basically a mulligan.

Or the whole thing does not make sense at all, which I start to think now and never even considered before. What ever happened to the souls of those other daughters of her?

 

I think Mythal and Flemeth's personalities might have been so similar that whatever Mythal would do, Flemeth would also choose to do. I think that's why Mythal chose Flemeth (or at least, I think that's what Flemeth hints at). Perhaps Flemeth got a little of Mythal's power just from being alive for so long, though it's impossible to know for certain until some sort of expansion or new game comes out.

 

Regarding her daughters... at least one was chilling out in a dragon grove until Alistair murder-knifed her. Who knows if the other daughters were actually killed as Morrigan said, or if something else happened. Maybe there is some other sort of ritual going on?

 

 

In fact, next time someone wants to whine about how people are enjoying the company of others in fun conversation in a community discussion, we should just direct them to page 3000, so if they had any doubt that the majority of us like the way this thread is, they'll know better from then on.

 

I see people like Mims and Addai actually helping get things back on topic not by whining but by actually presenting something on topic to talk about...

 

That's how it's done.

 

And before someone says it, no I don't really care that I'm not helping by continuing the conversation of offtopicness, lol.

 

Next time someone raises an objection about something in the thread, maybe we can avoid this weird sort of "us vs. them" discussion, as if there are people that are in the "Solas thread club" and those that aren't. This is a public forum. The people you say are "whining" were here long before you were, and active long before you were. Eventually there will be new people here that are more active than you. It's not going to hurt anything to try and be a little more accommodating - or at least tolerant - of what everyone wants regardless of whether or not they meet your imaginary threshold for being part of the "majority"

[Rabbitonfire]

Me too! I think it's on of the gifs 

I was curious why page 3051 was lagging so I checked page's source code and it was the crossroads_four_eluvians gif. So I gif scrubbed it and found out the gif was massive, like over 1024px 1920x1080px. The file itself was 128mb uncompressed , and it has 99 frame. I'm not going to point names but whoever posted it was evil. 

 

edit: well, the apology was made and  gif removed. Thanks for confession. :3

[Avejajed]

I swear to god who made Liz leave. Who. Why. Go away! Liz come baaaaack. Pleaseeeee. I'm sorry for what I said about Babelas.

Also: the girl that posted it both admitted it and apologized. She didnt realize the size. I've done worse. Dont make her feel too bad lol

[Colonelkillabee]

Next time someone raises an objection about something in the thread, maybe we can avoid this weird sort of "us vs. them" discussion, as if there are people that are in the "Solas thread club" and those that aren't. This is a public forum. The people you say are "whining" were here long before you were, and active long before you were. Eventually there will be new people here that are more active than you. It's not going to hurt anything to try and be a little more accommodating - or at least tolerant - of what everyone wants regardless of whether or not they meet your imaginary threshold for being part of the "majority"

It's also not going to hurt anything by zipping it and quit trying to police people. I'm very accommodating if you ask me. Hence why I don't care what people talk about, since the thread always comes back to Sols. I'm not in any us vs them club, I'm the odd man out here since while I have a lavellan involved with Solas, I'm not in love with him as a fan here, and everyone knows that.

 

There is no us vs anyone, and I don't really care how long anyone's been here, I'm going to speak my mind and be blunt no matter who the heck it is.

[bunniebean]

Is there any confirmation that the Qunari were elven slaves?  I recall the codex for Freed are the Slaves made people it was about elves and the qunari, but I think it's much more likely to be the seven magisters pre-Black City (there's a pretty good reason why the country of 'we didn't start the Blights, you can't prove anything' would want that hidden).

Iron Bull says something after you kill a dragon about Qunari maybe being created by mixing in some dragon blood somewhere down the line. Judging by Qunari ears id say elf. Maybe the Qunari were created through ancient elven magic? Could the Qunari been created for the purpose of slavery? That might make the connection regarding valasalin and vitaar.

[Colonelkillabee]

Is there any confirmation that the Qunari were elven slaves?  I recall the codex for Freed are the Slaves made people it was about elves and the qunari, but I think it's much more likely to be the seven magisters pre-Black City (there's a pretty good reason why the country of 'we didn't start the Blights, you can't prove anything' would want that hidden).

Confirmation, no, I'm just going off of the pictures I saw in some elven area... can someone give a screenshot?

[Illyria]

Among all the shots fired, can I ask the very innocent newcomer question that is :

What is Team Optimism?

Sounds like what I could use right now, if I'm not mistaken.

 

Did someone say 'Team Optimism'? (again).

 

Sorry, I'm summoned by those words.

 

Team Optimism is the team that believes everything will be fine in the end and the Solasmancers (and people who were friendly towards Solas) won't be stuck with a depressing ending.  Many people want this not only because Solas is a character who has been through so much and deserves a happy ending, but also because LIs for female characters tend (more often than the ones for male characters) to end unhappily (for example, the inability for both the Warden and Alistair to surive their romance without the Dark Ritual compared to Morrigan getting a whole DLC about her and the Warden getting their happily ever after.  See also: Thane.)

 

To anyone who says that an unahppy ending is inveitable, we say: banal nadas!

[KarateKats]

Oh I don't have a problem with off-topic. 

 

I have a problem with the fact, that every time I look into this thread someone is fighting, and people are getting rude with each other.

 

So, no, for me this doesn't feel like a very nice and comfortable place anymore. For me. That are MY PERSONAL FEELINGS.

You feel different? Good! I'm glad people sill have a good and safe place here.

But since I am not the only one who feels that this thread is not what it once was, something seems to have changed.

 

There are talented people here. Sure. I never said there weren't.

I have met very nice and sweet people here. But many of them left.

There are nice and sweet people still here, I'm sure.

 

Maybe they are just quiet when I have time to come here.

 

 

And yeah I know how toxic other BSN places can be. 

God, I still read the PC Community Concerns thread... XD THAT is one toxic pile of ****.

Welcome to the internet. lol No ones tone can be conveyed through their text the way they intend it to be 100% of the time. Where you might see fights and rudeness I see nothing but friendly disagreements, discussions and people sharing their outside passions with each other. Honestly all this bitching seems like a self fulling prophecy you guys have going on now. For me everything was happy and fine and now there's a bunch of whining carpet bombers dropping their opinions on it. South is looking better and better.