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[Moondreamer01]

That mission was a bit confusing due to the rifts being there as well, and frozen, when this happened long ago. But I guess tha's just their official look for fade breaches. I bet the mission was just there to show that tevinter had a history of doing what the venatori was before, so tapping into the breach's power in the sky made more sense. I doubt we'll ever know how they made artifacts for this, but what's his face who sent us in the future used some sort of amulet to mess with time too.

 

Isn't there a trope for unexplained artifacts of power? I bet scifi tropes have a name. Whatever it is, that's what we got. To show tevinter had unique magic of their own maing.

 

I'm not sure it actually happened that long ago. The frozen ones are venatori, so I'm guessing they searched and foudn the artefact of power, then it went off on them. You're right though that the ruins are probably Tevinter. I couldn't quite place the architecture, but now that you say so, it makes sense. 

[Colonelkillabee]

Do you think it's possible that he doesn't consider the world before the Veil and the Fade after the Veil the same thing? So saying he's never been there would technically be true.

Admittedly, yes that is very possible. We still don't know the true nature of the world before today.

 

 

It's been awhile since I've done that quest. Wasn't it that they were messing with time magic relatively recently, but in an ancient ruin? There's an irritated Venatori sorcerer whose journal is full of complaints about the idiots in his group and how they're going to bring disaster down upon their heads. It's a further testing of time travel after Alexius failed and/or was executed for being unreliable.

The Venatori we fight as we enter the ruin are the expeditionary force sent to investigate why their techies went silent.

I think. 

 

I thought that too, though the wiki says it happened a long time ago, which I originally thought as well... I have no flipping idea, lol. Someone should make screens of the codex entries.

[Moondreamer01]

It's been awhile since I've done that quest. Wasn't it that they were messing with time magic relatively recently, but in an ancient ruin? There's an irritated Venatori sorcerer whose journal is full of complaints about the idiots in his group and how they're going to bring disaster down upon their heads. It's a further testing of time travel after Alexius failed and/or was executed for being unreliable.

The Venatori we fight as we enter the ruin are the expeditionary force sent to investigate why their techies went silent.

I think. 

 

Ohhh... I always thought they're found soemthing old in that ruin having to do with time magic, but it makes just as much sense that it's actually not old at all and just something they'd been working on the same way Alexius was working on that amulet. Damn... and here I wanted it to be connected to the elves

 

[scintilla]

Entertaining the idea of Solas being a vessel for Fen'harel is definitely an interesting one, but I don't know. If it happened to be true, I think I'd be slightly disappointed. I find the idea of an elven god still being alive in his original bodyform really fascinating.

That been said, maybe Solas's original form is something unseen and unknown entirely, maybe it's totally different from what Flemythal is.

 

I'm out of likes but I'm fond of the idea of him being in his original form too. The theory that he isn't has just as much merit but I really like the idea of him being (mostly) what we saw in game.

[Illyria]

Entertaining the idea of Solas being a vessel for Fen'harel is definitely an interesting one, but I don't know. If it happened to be true, I think I'd be slightly disappointed. I find the idea of an elven god still being alive in his original bodyform really fascinating.

That been said, maybe Solas's original form is something unseen and unknown entirely, maybe it's totally different from what Flemythal is.

Can I interest you in Team Lone Wolf?  It's the team that believes that Solas was always Fen'Harel (and also that the gods didn't body jump into slaves on a regular bases).

[Augeia]

Entertaining the idea of Solas being a vessel for Fen'harel is definitely an interesting one, but I don't know. If it happened to be true, I think I'd be slightly disappointed. I find the idea of an elven god still being alive in his original bodyform really fascinating.

That been said, maybe Solas's original form is something unseen and unknown entirely, maybe it's totally different from what Flemythal is.

Me too! I think I'd much rather have him be ancient instead of inhabiting some fade walker. Though I suspect that it is a vessel considering he talks about growing up in a small village with "little to interest a young man" and all that. I like to think that he lies as little as possible.

[Colonelkillabee]

I'm not sure it actually happened that long ago. The frozen ones are venatori, so I'm guessing they searched and foudn the artefact of power, then it went off on them. You're right though that the ruins are probably Tevinter. I couldn't quite place the architecture, but now that you say so, it makes sense. 

 

I assumed it was just their default tevinter armor, like how in Oblivion, they gave the Akaviri modern and human looking models, but we were supposed to imagine different. (lazy as hell). But modern or not, it probably doesn't matter a great deal. The mission's point is probably the same, which is to establish how Alexius even began to have the power he had.

 

Though if it was in the past, it'd make the tevinter look more... I don't know, either stupidly foolish or powerful, since they even got that far without a giant rift in the sky. Or both. Actually that would apply regardless.

[Moondreamer01]

I'm out of likes but I'm fond of the idea of him being in his original form too. The theory that he isn't has just as much merit but I really like the idea of him being (mostly) what we saw in game.

 

I've always entertained the idea that he was a powerful dreamer that encountered... something in his travels in the fade. That something might just have been forbidden/forgotten knowledge, or a spirit, or something else. In any case, that allowed him to claim a position as one of the gods through his own acts. What makes it so hard to pin down is that we don't actually know what the elvhen gods are, just that Solas doesn't consider them "true" gods.

 

Doesn't mean Solas isn't Fen'Harel, and Fen'Harel isn't the same as Solas, just that he might have acquired "something more" at one point in his life.

[Colonelkillabee]

 

Dude do it right

 

 

[scintilla]

Me too! I think I'd much rather have him be ancient instead of inhabiting some fade walker. Though I suspect that it is a vessel considering he talks about growing up in a small village with "little to interest a young man" and all that. I like to think that he lies as little as possible.

 

That could be true of Fen'Harel if, like Ghilan'nain, he joined the pantheon later rather than being born to it or even if the pantheon weren't always considered gods. Although the ruins being Tevinter and only centuries old throws a bit of a wrench in it. I guess it's possible that the Tevinter built over older elven ruins though.

[Moondreamer01]

Dude do it right

 

 

 

LOL, I'm at work and I couldn't find it

[Illyria]

Me too! I think I'd much rather have him be ancient instead of inhabiting some fade walker. Though I suspect that it is a vessel considering he talks about growing up in a small village with "little to interest a young man" and all that. I like to think that he lies as little as possible.

 

Him being Fen'Harel and that story being true are not seperate things.  Leliana does say that the village he apparently grew up in has been in ruins for centuries.  The fact that he didn't lie about where he grew up - even thought that lie being found out would've been dangerous for him - does say a lot about how truthful he is with the Inquisition.

[Abelas Forever!]

He does brush off Humaney!Cole's question about 'Have you seen this before?' and poor Cole gets confused.

And the comment about, 'Maybe the gods were mages, or spirits, or something we haven't seen before," suggests a combination of the two to me. As does the apparent ease of Mythal existing with Flemeth.

I think that Mythal living in Flemeth's body was a special case because Mythal was slain and she had become a wisp and the only way for her to revenge her death was to become part of Flemeth. What comes to Solas it may be that he become more elven because of his mission. Because old elven gods probably can be in their spirit form I don't think that they would want to be in a physical body which has restrictions. However I think it's possible but they may not want to do that.

[Colonelkillabee]

LOL, I'm at work and I couldn't find it

 

Save your stuff to imgur or something That's where I keep all my goofy silly junk for forums.

[Caddius]

Me too! I think I'd much rather have him be ancient instead of inhabiting some fade walker. Though I suspect that it is a vessel considering he talks about growing up in a small village with "little to interest a young man" and all that. I like to think that he lies as little as possible.

His tales of growing up in a village, and providing the location of an actual village (assuming they didn't just find another old, crumbling village in the same vicinity) to Leliana, suggests that he actually has some connection to the place.

Assuming the Creators have been around since the foundation of Arlathan, that's at least 8000 years.

I don't think we have many villages from 6000BCE left on earth.

It's roughly around 6000BCE that we got organized about agriculture, that wine, cheese, and rice were grown. Sumer had not come around. Writing wasn't a thing. Copper and bricks were just starting to be used.

8000 years boggles the mind.

I just don't see the village being anywhere near that old.

So if he's telling the truth about growing up in a village, and that village is the correct village, I see no way of Solas having been the original Fen'harel's vessel or self. If the village wasn't real, and he just had fond memories of hanging out with a spirit there and ad-libbed it as a backstory, because he knew it'd be hard to find, then sure. Lone Wolf all the way.

[BoscoBread]

Due to the unhealthy influence you people recently began to exert over me, I caved and bought Crusader Kings 2 last night. Does anyone have tutorial links before I dive into it? I probably won'the until I finish The Last Court at least once. I'm getting that bard in my bed if it kills me...and at my current health it might.

https://www.youtube....h?v=MAvJJuv1hvM - Arumba's CKII series is really good.

The game is actually deceptively complicated.  Meaning that once you get the hang of what does what, there's not much else to it unlike some games where clicking one thing leads to another complicated rabbit hole, Endless Space for example.  I recommend playing the Irish King first  King Brian of something or other.  It's isolated and small so conquering it should not be that difficult and you get a good hang of the basics. 

[scintilla]

His tales of growing up in a village, and providing the location of an actual village (assuming they didn't just find another old, crumbling village in the same vicinity) to Leliana, suggests that he actually has some connection to the place.

Assuming the Creators have been around since the foundation of Arlathan, that's at least 8000 years.

I don't think we have many villages from 6000BCE left on earth.

It's roughly around 6000BCE that we got organized about agriculture, that wine, cheese, and rice were grown. Sumer had not come around. Writing wasn't a thing. Copper and bricks were just starting to be used.

8000 years boggles the mind.

I just don't see the village being anywhere near that old.

So if he's telling the truth about growing up in a village, and that village is the correct village, I see no way of Solas having been the original Fen'harel's vessel or self. If the village wasn't real, and he just had fond memories of hanging out with a spirit there and ad-libbed it as a backstory, because he knew it'd be hard to find, then sure. Lone Wolf all the way.

 

We have ruins/structures from the time of Arlathan in game, don't we? I think this is one of those places where MAGIC may be the answer to how it could possibly work that way.

[Augeia]

I need to post this wolf hunt song for you Team Optimism because I need someone to appreciate it the way I do.

I heard this on the radio a few days ago while I was lying in bed trying to wake up and by the third line (!) I was cackling like a madwoman (well more of a madwoman). It's so on point it's ridiculous. I mean, it's called Lone Wolf for god's sake. Plus it sounds really pretty. Has anyone linked this?

 

 

Here are the lyrics

Spoiler

Verse 1: 
Lone wolf don’t hunt like he used to 
Sinks his teeth with a jaw loose 
She served you tea 
In her bedroom shall 
Didn’t pray for the sound of the sea at all 

Chorus: 
All traces of your shadows 
Will their way back home 
I found you through the gallows 
All alone 
When the night falls 
When the moon crawls 
I’ll find you still 
All traces of your shadows 
Will find the day on your way back home 
On your way, on your way back home x 2

Verse 2: 
Young men talk tall when they need to 
Cast iron fist and shined shoes 
You flew so far In the open sea 
Lost site of the land and the sound of trees 

[Chorus] 

Bridge: 
On your way back home x2

[Chorus] 

On your way back home x 2

 

[Patchwork]

I think the Fade even in Arlathan's time wasn't somewhere that the living went, it's not very hospitable towards the living so lucid dreaming was probably the usual way to explore it. 

[Caddius]

We have ruins/structures from the time of Arlathan in game, don't we? I think this is one of those places where MAGIC may be the answer to how it could possibly work that way.

It's a village, though. I just don't see the same sort of magical might being poured into a village as they would the strongholds, temples, and skeletons of cities that we see in the game. Solas certainly didn't seem so interested in it.

Then again, maybe magic was so commonplace that even the villages were enchanted to last. *shrug*

[Augeia]

His tales of growing up in a village, and providing the location of an actual village (assuming they didn't just find another old, crumbling village in the same vicinity) to Leliana, suggests that he actually has some connection to the place.

Assuming the Creators have been around since the foundation of Arlathan, that's at least 8000 years.

I don't think we have many villages from 6000BCE left on earth.

It's roughly around 6000BCE that we got organized about agriculture, that wine, cheese, and rice were grown. Sumer had not come around. Writing wasn't a thing. Copper and bricks were just starting to be used.

8000 years boggles the mind.

I just don't see the village being anywhere near that old.

So if he's telling the truth about growing up in a village, and that village is the correct village, I see no way of Solas having been the original Fen'harel's vessel or self. If the village wasn't real, and he just had fond memories of hanging out with a spirit there and ad-libbed it as a backstory, because he knew it'd be hard to find, then sure. Lone Wolf all the way.

Exactly. As much as I'd like to think that he's ancient, this really points to him inhabiting some fade walker from that village. He doesn't seem to have any kind of duality to his personality (and thank god for that), so I imagine it's alot like the Mythal situation.

[legbamel]

I took his comment, and that wondering tone, to mean that he'd travelled extensively in the Fade while dreaming but that, since the Veil was raised, he never expected to cross it physically. It may also be anticipation, if he's intending to blend the Fade with the waking world again, though I'm not completely sold on that being his aim. He talks about going to sleep in various places to visit them in the Fade but I haven't caught any slip that would lead me to believe he was actually wandering about bodily or had.

[Delphine]

Can I interest you in Team Lone Wolf?  It's the team that believes that Solas was always Fen'Harel (and also that the gods didn't body jump into slaves on a regular bases).

 

I think I would definitely lean towards that position, but playing with the idea that he might have body jumped also opens up many possibilities that I find very interesting.

 

I don't know, I HOPE it'll be the Lone Wolf theory all the way, but so far, not everything is pointing towards that explanation.

But it's ok, I like being in total uncertainty, it opens up new realms of possibilities.

[Patchwork]

Places get re-built  bit by bit all the time. The village could easily been elven and if it was in a good, albeit remote, location humans took over once the elves were slaves.  

[Caddius]

Places get re-built  bit by bit all the time. The village could easily been elven and if it was in a good, albeit remote, location humans took over once the elves were slaves.  

Humans are such posers and bandwagon aficionados in Thedas, I swear. 

Meet Falon'din and it turns out Orlesians unknowingly based their fashion off of him.

Elgar'nan is rocking one of those Tevinter face-masks.

June has one of the Venatori helmets stuck on his head backwards and has just resigned himself to the fact it's somehow stuck.