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[Delphine]

That's why I'm very, very careful about which mods I use.  Pretty much all the appearance mods I use have taken concept art as a base for their design.

 

Same here. Played DA:I Modless, but going to use some for DA:O, definitely those who might improve the general visual quality of the game, not alter it in anyway.

 

You don't like fan art then? It amounts to the same thing.

 

I really don't see how it does, to be honest.

Fanart = creating an entirely new art piece, in which you can reappropriate some characters if it pleases you, because you have your authorship.

Modding = creating content based from an already existing art piece, just to change at your own convenience the original artistic vision.

Don't get me wrong, I love modding, it's so much fun to see how you can use a game's engine to create the most wildest things and bring customization to a whole new level. But when it messes with artistic direction, then it's not my thing anymore.

[drake2511]

I'm easily amused

 

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S: Vhenan, look at my muscles.
I: It's fur, Solas...

[Moondreamer01]

I'm easily amused

 

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S: Vhenan, look at my muscles.
I: It's fur, Solas...

 

I'm out of likes for the day and that's a shameful thing.

[Siha]

I meant to comment that Siha has her love reserved for you, even if she denies it. 

 

Exactly. Because I am a woman and women always say no and mean yes. Law of nature. Btw, you guys are vastly offtopic.

 

I'm over today already. And I'm home alone tonight, too. Boo. My husband is stressed out, schools are on light lockdown..it's crazy.

 

You'll report back regularly, yes? Don't want to have to worry about you. Best you stay here for the rest of the day.

 

As you wish??

 

O_O Abomination!

Take that away!!

 

And now all I hear is Sexxi Batman Cullen.

 

Hey! Must I give you the evil eye? No jokes about Cullen and no jokes about Batman!

 

Besides, hey, stop it you all. I am here because I do not want to hear people speak about Cullen. He's only mine. lalalalalalala

[legbamel]

Ask and you shall receive... Red-lyrium Cullen : 
 

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Source : http://itsprecioustime.tumblr.com/
 

If the elements are symbolic, I'm thinking red lyrium has a generous effect on certain parts of the male anatomy, based on this interpretation.

[CapricornSun]

I liked my interpretation better:

 

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I'm easily amused

 

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S: Vhenan, look at my muscles.
I: It's fur, Solas...

 

I'm out of likes. These are great! xD

[AryBoBary]

I look at modding as an alternate artistic direction.  Some mods are done, just because they can be, therefore taking any "artistry" out of it, but many are simply fine-tuning the original design to suit different tastes.  It might be selfish in a way, but I always see thanks given where it is due.  Modders thank the game creators for their work, paying their respect for the original creation, as they should.  

 

I appreciate respecting all the work and thought put behind each character, because as others have said, that is "who they are", their essence, all smaller parts of the bigger picture that is THEM, to dismiss that would be an insult to the devs, to the artists who created these characters, the characters we've all fallen for.  

 

That being said, sometimes I just want every single one of my pretend LI's to have brown hair. *shrug*  It takes my level of immersion to a whole 'nother level, enhancing my gaming experience, and it's... just... fun. 

 

Ack, ToP! Umm...errr... have a SS?!

 

[Addai]

^ Tbh it just sounds like you're saying "I like mods that I like, and don't like the ones that I don't." Which is pretty much what everyone says.

That blonde Dorian is an abomination, though.

[Elira]

I'm sorry to rain on the "I love appearance-changing mods" parade, but I don't believe in messing with art.

 

It's visual symbolism. The devs put a lot of time and effort to make the characters' outward appearances reflect their innermost personalities, worldviews, etc. 

 

For example, in DAO the devs gave Alistair a crew cut which signifies his straight-laced attitude about duty, and a clean-shaven face except a little speck of beard on his chin to show how boyish he is despite his age. Then I see people modding him with ponytails and stubble, which signifies a more loose and mature personality, and I think, "That's not how Alistair is as a person, and this mod covers that up." (DAA ANDERS had a ponytail and stubble, which showed how much more loose, laid back, and liberal he was.) Morrigan had a tight bun, which signified how uptight and high-strung she was. Guess what? Tons of "DAO Morrigan wears her hair loose" mods, but Morrigan is not a laid back or loose person.

 

It's like that with DAI, only arguably moreso. The devs specifically said they worked tirelessly (and went through many drafts) to make each characters' appearance, outfits, hair styles, etc. reflect their innermost personalities. Sera's hair and clothes are loose, motley, mis-matched, and disheveled to show how much of a careless urchin she is. Dorian wears tons of flare and flash (and a spiffy mustache) to show how flashy and confident he is. Solas has that "hobo apostate" look because he does indeed live like a hobo; his clothes are also plain and understated to highlight how mild and unassuming he likes to present himself as, and his baldness is meant to connotate ageless wisdom. 

 

I don't like mods that mess with their appearance because (to me) it feels like changing art. It feels like the person has decided that their vision of the character is better than the artist's , and they're denying how the character is by changing the their appearance to reflect the persona they want as opposed to the persona the character actually has.

 

I also agree with you on this. For me personally, I steer clear of most mods for Dragon Age simply because I feel it would disrupt the 'lore' for me. You really hit the nail on the head with everything you've said. I feel exactly the same way. That isn't to say I hold anything against those who do use mods. To each their own. If they use mods and get enjoyment out of it, then I'm happy for them. I'm glad that they're delighting themselves. Plus, I really have nothing against mods that better performance, fix bugs, and alter things to a better state. A good example is that eyebrow mod I've heard so much about. It doesn't change the overall appearance of anyone; it just fixed the eyebrows to be, from what I've seen, more realistic. That's just an example of many. As I said, I have no problems with others using mods that affect various areas. x3 Just for me personally, I like to use as few as possible.

 

And as for artwork being the same thing, I agree with Delphine. But I suppose it really depends how you look at it. I don't regard fanart as the same, but I can see how others might. I'm not going to ramble on about my opinions because Delphine pretty much covered what I would say.

 

Aaaaanyway, there's my two cents. As a point of assurance, I just want to say that past, present, and future opinions and views of mine are in no way meant to be taken offensively. I will try my hardest to present them respectfully and cordially, but in case someone receives it otherwise, I just want it to be said that it's not my intent. I don't mean to come off as rude or argumentative or negatively opinionated if it seems that way.

 

And now I've rambled. xD Rofl. Sorry.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[BoscoBread]

Exactly. Because I am a woman and women always say no and mean yes. Law of nature. Btw, you guys are vastly offtopic.

 

 

You'll report back regularly, yes? Don't want to have to worry about you. Best you stay here for the rest of the day.

 

 

O_O Abomination!

Take that away!!

 

 

Hey! Must I give you the evil eye? No jokes about Cullen and no jokes about Batman!

 

Besides, hey, stop it you all. I am here because I do not want to hear people speak about Cullen. He's only mine. lalalalalalala

For you Siha and only you

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For the rest of you - Solas and confusion

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[Satsumi]

I offer Solas from dragonage.com, in my personal favorite picture of him (although I wish the magic was ice or Fade, not fire).

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And I humbly beg the artists of this wonderful forum to perhaps PM me with advice on how to foster a budding artist's talent without destroying it in the process.  

[KarateKats]

Didn't have much time because I have to run off to a lunch-time lecture from a small press comics speaker!

But here's Sexxi Cullen all the same like you asked.

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Be back later!

This is the perfect start to my day, thank you!

 

Have fun with the lecture!

[Elira]

To every piece of posted art, intriguing theory, and frankly, just the majority of the posts on this forum that I am unable to like because of the damned like quota: To each their respective like.

[NightSymphony]

I don't like mods that change the appearance of the characters...but I like the ones that add something to the game.  Like the Cullen romance mod for DAO..and the mod that lets you hug or kiss your LI anytime you want.  I have seen some mods that change the way a character looks in DAO to make them look more like they do in DA2 or DAI. I think those are alright. Like, I use the Sten mod that makes him look like the Qunari do in DA2.

[Delphine]

 A good example is that eyebrow mod I've heard so much about. It doesn't change the overall appearance of anyone; it just fixed the eyebrows to be, from what I've seen, more realistic.

 

I actually really like my modless eyebrows ingame, but the mod you're talking about is delivering real neat ones for your quizzie to use (it's your quizzie, you should be able to do whatever you want to him/her/they).

 

Though, the eyebrow mod for Solas, where they become real dark and thick, that one I just can't. Whenever I look at a screenshot of someone using that mod, I don't see Solas, sorry.

I honestly dread the time a "Solas hair mod" will finally be available. *shudders*

It's just personal taste, and it's probably fun to create it, but I just won't use it.

[Colonelkillabee]

Exactly. Because I am a woman and women always say no and mean yes. Law of nature.

Good to know

 

As for the topic of mods... personally, I'd never make any changes to characters' faces, because like it or not, that is who they are. Do I have an issue with other people doing it? Hell no. They paid for the game, it's theirs. They can do what they want. Just like people can have whatever headcanon they want. And like headcanons, I reserve the right to tell someone if I think their taste is bad, or if I don't agree with whatever they did with mods, etc.

 

Like that dorian mod, or the mods getting rid of Cass' scars, etc. Dorian's is different though for obvious reasons... but even then I say they can do whatever the hell they want. Even if I think they're **** heads for doing it.

 

As for fan art, I don't really see it as the same, because it feels a lot more wrong to change their character in game. It's the closest place we'll get to having them feel like a person, and I surely wouldn't change a person's race or facial features.

 

Mods actually change something while art is separate. Though I'd be lying if I said seeing that Dorian pic on paint would make me feel any less disturbed.

[Rabbitonfire]

Same here. Played DA:I Modless, but going to use some for DA:O, definitely use those who improve the general visual quality of the game, not alter it in anyway.

 

 

I really don't see how it does, to be honest.

Fanart = creating an entirely new art piece, in which you can reappropriate some characters if it pleases you, because you have your authorship.

Modding = creating content based on an already existing art piece, just to change at your own convenience the original artist vision.

Don't get me wrong, I love modding, it's so much fun to see how you can use a game's engine to create the most wildest things and bring customization to a whole new level. But when it messes with artistic direction, then it's not my thing anymore.

Trust me on this when I say just because they're 3d model doesn't mean they're any less fanart.  Texture or mesh changes. It's just a different medium. The only people I know that gets uppity about their stuff getting changed are japanese game developers. I've been around game developers and and let me tell you that they don't give two sh*ts because they made a product to entertain and they know that if they made a game good enough that someone bothered to alter the game rather than complain, they're flattered. 

[Elira]

I actually really like my modless eyebrows ingame, but some mods are delivering real neat one for your quizzie to use (it's your quizzie, you should be able to do whatever you want to him/her/they).

 

Though, the eyebrow mod for Solas, where they become real dark and thick, that one I just can't. Whenever I look at a screenshot of someone using that mod, I don't see Solas, sorry.

I honestly dread the time a "Solas hair mod" will finally be available. *shudders*

 

There's a Solas eyebrow mod? Oh my. I was referring the eyebrow mod that altered the CC. Though, even that I don't know if I'll get. First things first, I'll need to see the options in CC, then I shall make my decision. But a Solas eyebrow mod... Is it scary? I should go find a picture and see for myself.

[Prince of Keys]

Solas has another shirt in the BioWare store! This time it's the "Hermit" card. (Also, there's a Leliana shirt and you can get Cassandra's "Strength" tarot and the lady elf tarot as giclees, now.)

 

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[Avejajed]

Drawings don't go into the game itself and change the character from the source.

 

It's like the difference between drawing Cinderella in a red dress on a sheet of paper, and getting your hands on a Disney movie, altering it, and making it so that every time the movie plays it shows Cinderella with a new appearance, or the the dress she wears to the ball is blood red instead of silver. (Oh wait, Disney does something like that already. "Digitally restored" editions where they really do change the color palate of the film and the color of her dress. Bleh.)

 

Besides, I didn't say I liked fanart that changed the characters' core appearances all willy-nilly. I like it if I feel it stays pretty faithful to the character but makes little adjustments within reason (like "younger Solas" speculation fanart that gives him hair like the kind we saw in his concept art? Sure. Like "hoodless Abelas" fanart that speculates what kind of hair he has or doesn't have under his hood? Okay), and that connotate that moment in time as opposed to during the entire time the game was happening. (Like a heavily-stubbled Alistair or Cullen, which only really shows that he only has stubble that moment when the drawing takes place, since we all forget to shave or put off shaving periodically, instead of game mods that make it so during the entire game itself they have heavy stubble continuously over the many months/years each game takes place.) If it's like "Here's the new and improved race-bent whoever," Um... no.

 

Buttttttttttttttttttt. Modded games don't play on every game. Only your game. 

 

I'm indifferent, because I play on console. Only playing devil's advocate. I don't believe in whitewashing characters, but if you want to put Cassandra in a pink leisure suit, go ahead.

[Moondreamer01]

Chinese new year: The year of the goat 

 

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Source : http://millennium-fa...log.tumblr.com/

 

 

Sorry guys, I had to share...

[Delphine]

Trust me on this when I say just because they're 3d model doesn't mean they're any less fanart.  Texture or mesh changes. It's just a different medium. The only people I know that gets uppity about their stuff getting changed are japanese game developers. I've been around game developers and and let me tell you that they don't give two sh*ts because they made a product to entertain and they know that if they made a game good enough that someone bothered to alter the game rather than complain, they're flattered. 

 

Funny, most of my friends work in game dev, and they say the exact opposite :/ Well to be fair, that kind of opinion can totally change depending on what kind of video game company your work in. Still, I think video games as an art medium, and as such, I believe in artistic direction, and I try to respect it.

Just like I wouldn't be recoloring the color of batman's car on every pages of every Batman comics I own, or just like I wouldn't be recoloring Elsa's eyes to pink on every frame of a Frozen movie, I won't be using mods to alter character's appearances in games (characters that aren't my own, that is).

It's just the way I see things. I will never try to stop anyone doing so, though, but I think a part of me won't help judging them ever so slightly about it, sadly