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[Mims]

To quote a Cole banter :

 

Oh! No, I agree completely that that is how it ends up being. I just don't think my Lavellan would see it that way. She's all about her self image and sense of control. She doesn't want to surrender, even if it was only for pretend. Sort of a stubborn feeling I get from her. That sort of relationship involves a lot of trust, and as much as she might love whoever she's with, that's one wall she'd never drop. 

 

 

In other news, I just can't remove the vallaslin anymore. I did it my first time. I just don't think I can do it anymore. Sorry, Solas.

 

Really interesting! I've been keeping my vallaslin as well. Ultimately every character is going to be different, but for my Lavellan, they represent what she went through to earn her place in her clan. Not remnants of slavery, or even subservience to the gods. Even if she has no plans to return to clan Lavellan, she isn't going to erase that part of her history. 

[Jadestone]

I also keep the Vallaslin. For basically what the in-game line says: "Whatever they meant in the past, they're important to me now."

(or... something close to that)

 

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*swoons*

 

Off-topic: (I'm so excited I just have to share)

 

Just got... THIS.

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No more mouse art! 

 

I just bought the same thing a couple days ago actually! Still not quite adjusted to it, but having fun

[AryBoBary]

<snipadingding>

 

I just bought the same thing a couple days ago actually! Still not quite adjusted to it, but having fun

 

Eeeeep, yay!!! I can't wait to break it in!

 

 

Wow, two ToP's in a row.  Perhaps I shall go buy a lottery ticket...th-that's how it works, right?   

 

 

Source: http://liberaquantobasta.tumblr.com/

[Missy_MI]

It's kinda like the opposite of the tranquil ritual, huh? Instead of cutting you off from the fade, it makes it a thing almost natural for you. My theory is it's a piece of Fen'harel's spiritual energy. Maybe a piece of his essence.

 

Like how Cassandra's mind was touched by a demon and her mind returned and her connection to the fade was linked again, making her normal, this does the same thing but in opposite. It increases it dramatically. Not put in your skull like the tranquil, but your hand, which is what mages use to draw energy from the fade. Or manipulate it anyway.

 

Hm... part of Fen'Harel's essence or another powerful spirit maybe? During the balcony scene convo with Solas, he seems rather concerned that the Anchor might be influencing the Inquisitor's mind, morals, or spirit. And then there's the line about how he hasn't seen such wisdom since... long pause... fade cover nonsense. Which to me implies he meant a real person he knew from long ago.

 

What if the Anchor is actually a piece of that person, whoever he meant? And a friendly Inquisitor reminds Solas so strongly of that person that he's worried the mark has altered their personality. It could be himself of course, but that seems a bit egotistic, even for Solas.

 

I'm really hoping we see more anchor shenanigans. Dragon Age has a lot of fantasy elements, but it tends to be grounded in realism. Which is great, and I wouldn't want that to change. But...once in a while, a good crazy romp into fantasy would be fun. And I think the whole elven/Fen'Harel lore is a good place to make use of it. Something a bit different from the usual fade stories we've gotten. 

 

What if we got to go to some sort of mirror of ancient Arlathan? Or interact with the spirits of the fade? Apparently Solas counts many of them among his friends. Surely they are curious what he's up to?

 

I'd love to see a really magical DLC. Probably the most nondescript term ever. Something still within grounded in Dragon Age 'lore', but very fantastical. 

 

Me too! Ugh, also Skyhold! That place is infuriatingly mysterious. I'd want to try dreaming in the jail to figure out what the heck was powerful enough to tear out such a huge chunk of the place. Pretty much any past glimpse into Skyhold would be awesome. I don't buy for a second that Solas just happened to find out about it in the fade. He had to have been there before.

[Colonelkillabee]

Hm... part of Fen'Harel's essence or another powerful spirit maybe? During the balcony scene convo with Solas, he seems rather concerned that the Anchor might be influencing the Inquisitor's mind, morals, or spirit. And then there's the line about how he hasn't seen such wisdom since... long pause... fade cover nonsense. Which to me implies he meant a real person he knew from long ago.

 

What if the Anchor is actually a piece of that person, whoever he meant? And a friendly Inquisitor reminds Solas so strongly of that person that he's worried the mark has altered their personality. It could be himself of course, but that seems a bit egotistic, even for Solas.

 

Ooh, good idea... a past lover... who was it that people said they thought he was involved with? And Addai made the comment once about his orb absorbing life energy like Corypheus was doing to the Divine....

 

JUICY THEORY IS JUICY.

[Giton]

Speaking of Maori tattoos--an excerpt of the chant performed during the moko ritual, i.e. the tattooing ritual:

 

"Release yourself to me

To be gouged

By the chisel of Mataora.

Incised, you give yourself

To your lover,

Your skin glistens,

Joyful, gleaming

For I adorned you . . ."

 

Also, a partipant recounting their experience in 2003:

 

"I remembered my breathing. Catching it--the rhythm. Every chisel strike, biting my skin. Tasting it. Breaking through. I remember smelling the color of blood, my blood. Chanting. Breathing. Each strike, my breath. In, out. Every cut, a heart beat, every cut, a breath. In, out. Beyond the chanting, beyond the pain, just the smell, the taste, the rhythm. My blood. My heartbeat.  . . . When  I came back, I looked in the mirror. And I saw someone else."

 

One more:

 

"Your body, grown so tall, so magnificent

I gently turn over; I gaze

At your finely patterned skin,

At your face incised exquisitely;

Ah, losing you will devestate the people."

 

Source: "Mata Ora: Chiseling the Living Face--Dimensions  of Maori Tattoo," Ngahuia Te Awekotuku,121-22, 126.

[_Lucinia]

Hm... part of Fen'Harel's essence or another powerful spirit maybe? During the balcony scene convo with Solas, he seems rather concerned that the Anchor might be influencing the Inquisitor's mind, morals, or spirit. And then there's the line about how he hasn't seen such wisdom since... long pause... fade cover nonsense. Which to me implies he meant a real person he knew from long ago.

 

What if the Anchor is actually a piece of that person, whoever he meant? And a friendly Inquisitor reminds Solas so strongly of that person that he's worried the mark has altered their personality. It could be himself of course, but that seems a bit egotistic, even for Solas.

 

 

 

In the game files it's called Mythalsorb.  At this point he didn't know that Mythal endures.  Maybe she was starting to remind him of his dear friend Mythal, because it's her orb and some of her essence is in there?  

[Armdin]

In the game files it's called Mythalsorb.  At this point he didn't know that Mythal endures.  Maybe she was starting to remind him of his dear friend Mythal, because it's her orb and some of her essence is in there?  

 

Not disagreeing, because I think it's a good point, but I don't think we should place too much stock into what the game files are named. After all, it could just as easily be called Mythal's orb because maybe it was at one point in development, and then it was changed to be Solas's. As far as I'm aware within game, unless I missed something, it's Solas's orb.

 

However, assuming it is Mythal's Orb, that would be an interesting interpretation. I never really got the impression the Inquisitor manages to convince Solas they are who they are without the Orb changing who they are, and I wish we did have something more definitive.

 

I see it in the same line as people who don't like Solas being a vessel for Fen'Harel rather than being Fen'Harel himself, in that Solas doesn't get into a relationship with [insert quizzy name here], but just the Inquisitor, the person you become when you get the Anchor, and if they ever lose that power, would they be the same person?

[_Lucinia]

Not disagreeing, because I think it's a good point, but I don't think we should place too much stock into what the game files are named. After all, it could just as easily be called Mythal's orb because maybe it was at one point in development, and then it was changed to be Solas's. As far as I'm aware within game, unless I missed something, it's Solas's orb.

 

However, assuming it is Mythal's Orb, that would be an interesting interpretation. I never really got the impression the Inquisitor manages to convince Solas they are who they are without the Orb changing who they are, and I wish we did have something more definitive.

 

I see it in the same line as people who don't like Solas being a vessel for Fen'Harel rather than being Fen'Harel himself, in that Solas doesn't get into a relationship with [insert quizzy name here], but just the Inquisitor, the person you become when you get the Anchor, and if they ever lose that power, would they be the same person?

Oh believe me I know.  That's the fun of it though.  We've had some pretty crazy theories in this thread.  And the orb called Mythalsorb in the game files could be something totally different than Solas's orb, as you said something that was scrapped.  I just liked the idea that was brought up that the essence of someone in the Anchor could have been affecting the Inquisitor and taking it a step further.  

[faeofthefellwood]

My Lavellan removed the vallaslin for a few reasons. She had Dirthamen's and felt disturbed after his temple quest, and the combination of the Temple of Mythal + Solas' revelation was the nail in the coffin. However, after Solas dumped her and left, I think she's uncertain if she did the right thing. Her implicit trust in people can be a flaw.

I think there are some great reasons for keeping the vallaslin and vice versa, and I think it was brilliant on Weekes' part to give us that roleplay opportunity to develop our characters.

[Illyria]

 

I also keep the Vallaslin. For basically what the in-game line says: "Whatever they meant in the past, they're important to me now."

(or... something close to that)

 

That is one of my favourite lines in the game and one I was so happy I was able to have my Lavellan say!  Plus, the way Solas calls her beautiful afterwards is just so amazing.

[dragondreamer]

Not disagreeing, because I think it's a good point, but I don't think we should place too much stock into what the game files are named. After all, it could just as easily be called Mythal's orb because maybe it was at one point in development, and then it was changed to be Solas's. As far as I'm aware within game, unless I missed something, it's Solas's orb.

 

However, assuming it is Mythal's Orb, that would be an interesting interpretation. I never really got the impression the Inquisitor manages to convince Solas they are who they are without the Orb changing who they are, and I wish we did have something more definitive.

 

I see it in the same line as people who don't like Solas being a vessel for Fen'Harel rather than being Fen'Harel himself, in that Solas doesn't get into a relationship with [insert quizzy name here], but just the Inquisitor, the person you become when you get the Anchor, and if they ever lose that power, would they be the same person?

 

Since Flemeth refers to it as "your orb" when speaking to Solas, I'm just assuming it belongs to him.  On-screen evidence weighs heavier for me than file names.

 

Although if I were to try to read more into it, maybe he originally received the orb from her when he became a god.  I still see it as something that's tied to Solas though, the "fingerprint" pattern on the orb suggests to me that they're meant to align to whomever they were created for.  Maybe Corypheus and Quizzy could use the power in basic ways, but only Fen'Harel could have ever used it to its full potential. 

[Vorathrad]

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[MoonDrummer]

I'm being forced to play poker I've never played it before I've benn drinking need help

[Giton]

Just to note, I'm not making any evaluative judgments on the vallaslin decision. I just think that it is worth exploring what it might have been like to be thus marked in the social environment presented to us in the game. To explore what the ritual might have been like--the agony and the ecstasy. To think about how such things are so pregnant with meaning.

[Illyria]

I'm being forced to play poker I've never played it before I've benn drinking need help

 

Remember to make it obvious whenever you have a good hand.

 

I'm pretty sure that's how you play poker.

[Mims]

I'm curious as to whether or not the Inquisitor ended up absorbing more power from the orb, hence why the orb was depleted and broke towards the end of the game. You see him/her holding it much the same as when it originally gave the anchor. Then the temple falls back to the earth, and somewhere in the interim the orb breaks.

 

So either it broke expending its power to get them down safely, or the Inquisitor finished Corypheus's original ritual and absorbed all of it.

[Illyria]

I'm curious as to whether or not the Inquisitor actually absorbed more power from the orb, hence why the orb was depleted and broke towards the end of the game. You see him/her holding it much the same as when it originally gave off the power. Then the temple falls back to the earth, and somewhere in the interim the orb breaks. So either it broke expending its power to get them down safely, or the Inquisitor finished Corypheus's original ritual and absorbed all of it.

 

That's my theory.  This is the second time Inky holds the Orb.  It could be that the power in it went to join the rest.  It's why it broke so easily and why it can't be repaired.

[_Lucinia]

Since Flemeth refers to it as "your orb" when speaking to Solas, I'm just assuming it belongs to him.  On-screen evidence weighs heavier for me than file names.

 

Although if I were to try to read more into it, maybe he originally received the orb from her when he became a god.  I still see it as something that's tied to Solas though, the "fingerprint" pattern on the orb suggests to me that they're meant to align to whomever they were created for.  Maybe Corypheus and Quizzy could use the power in basic ways, but only Fen'Harel could have ever used it to its full potential. 

Eh I was just adding an idea onto what someone else brought up.  Not using game files as definitive proof, just a "what if?" or a "maybe?".  You know spark discussion, that type of thing .  I guess it has sparked discussion, just not in the way I was aiming for.  

We have no idea where BioWare is going with the story, we can all make educated guesses using various things as evidence and what not.  The Lore has been turned on its head in a number of ways.  Especially because of the Mythal and Fen'Harel reveal.  The speculation is fun.  

[Colonelkillabee]

I'm curious as to whether or not the Inquisitor ended up absorbing more power from the orb, hence why the orb was depleted and broke towards the end of the game. You see him/her holding it much the same as when it originally gave the anchor. Then the temple falls back to the earth, and somewhere in the interim the orb breaks.

 

So either it broke expending its power to get them down safely, or the Inquisitor finished Corypheus's original ritual and absorbed all of it.

I said the latter, but then, UNLIMITED POWA as a fantasy makes me rather biased. But if Solas is the big bad, we'd have to combat/subdue and take him home by his ear like the naughty boy he is somehow.

[Vorathrad]

Since Flemeth refers to it as "your orb" when speaking to Solas, I'm just assuming it belongs to him.  On-screen evidence weighs heavier for me than file names.
 
Although if I were to try to read more into it, maybe he originally received the orb from her when he became a god.  I still see it as something that's tied to Solas though, the "fingerprint" pattern on the orb suggests to me that they're meant to align to whomever they were created for.  Maybe Corypheus and Quizzy could use the power in basic ways, but only Fen'Harel could have ever used it to its full potential.

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I also think based on what we see ingame that the orb is essentially linked to Solas. But I do have the impression that its main power is enabling Fade walking. Maybe the Quizzy took that power from it (as implied by Corypheus in the Haven conversation, the orb is no longer of use to him for physically entering the Fade) But its power as a key or something else we don't know must remain, as it seems the orb was of use to Solas even after the Quizzy got the Anchor. Still, I'm more and more convinced that Solas will be returning to the Inquisitor at some point because he needs the Anchor.

[Colonelkillabee]

I'm being forced to play poker I've never played it before I've benn drinking need help

What's the setup?

[Armdin]

Eh I was just adding an idea onto what someone else brought up.  Not using game files as definitive proof, just a "what if?" or a "maybe?".  You know spark discussion, that type of thing .  I guess it has sparked discussion, just not in the way I was aiming for.  

We have no idea where BioWare is going with the story, we can all make educated guesses using various things as evidence and what not.  The Lore has been turned on its head in a number of ways.  Especially because of the Mythal and Fen'Harel reveal.  The speculation is fun.  

 

I'd love it if it was Mythal's orb. The idea of Solas having another friend that isn't a spirit (or at least wasn't before she was betrayed) and one that lasted through all that time to the point of Mythal giving him her source of power, and then allowing herself to be absorbed or whatever it was that happened makes me feel better for the egghead.

 

Edit: And more sad that he does absorb her I guess. D:

[Mims]

I said the latter, but then, UNLIMITED POWA as a fantasy makes me rather biased. But if Solas is the big bad, we'd have to combat/subdue and take him home by his ear like the naughty boy he is somehow.

 

Yeah, that is one reason why I'd see them handing the Inquisitor so much power. If we are going to stop Solas [or another elven god], they'd want to set up how it could believably happen. 

[Meer]

I'm curious as to whether or not the Inquisitor ended up absorbing more power from the orb, hence why the orb was depleted and broke towards the end of the game. You see him/her holding it much the same as when it originally gave the anchor. Then the temple falls back to the earth, and somewhere in the interim the orb breaks.

 

So either it broke expending its power to get them down safely, or the Inquisitor finished Corypheus's original ritual and absorbed all of it.

I definitely believe the orb broke since it was emptied of power, not because it was damaged. Though it may be just a design choice, the orb split too neatly to have been crushed by debris. Whether it's because the Inquisitor expended the remaining energy once he/she gets a hold of it or absorbs it though, I couldn't say. It would be interesting if it were because he/she absorbed it, however. The implications alone open up many possibilities.