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#78052
Posté 22 février 2015 - 12:58
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In an effort to match the amusing art of lizasaurus, I wrote a fic last night. It's starts out somewhat serious, then gets less serious toward the end. I even made a tumblr to share it.
You should keep in mind the two Temple of Sacred Asses pictures while reading this.
http://electricghoti...5/vhenan-nooooo
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#78053
Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:01
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I don't know which one I am supposed to be but I disapprove of both. However, the multiplier might change.
You can be whoever you want to be. I just give really awkward hugs that's all....
uuuhhhhh....ToP Solas:
I've run out of Solas's
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#78054
Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:10
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Not Solas related but..
After reading on the thread so much about The Last Court I've decided to give it a go.
Oh.my.god. I totally suck at this.
It's been only 2 days and I'm already broke, pitiful, with 80 Peril, and haven't found yet a way to acquire a lover, a bodyguard, or any of the "companions".
I'm also almost dead (?) - 30 health left.I think I'm totally not getting how this works
I tried it once...
But I totally failed... I never understood the game either... I was just confused the whole ****** time.
#78055
Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:14
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Not Solas related but..
After reading on the thread so much about The Last Court I've decided to give it a go.
Oh.my.god. I totally suck at this.
It's been only 2 days and I'm already broke, pitiful, with 80 Peril, and haven't found yet a way to acquire a lover, a bodyguard, or any of the "companions".
I'm also almost dead (?) - 30 health left.I think I'm totally not getting how this works
YOu basically have to use the Dignity, wealth, and prosperity, etc. as another form of currency to trade for other things. Such as favors from companions or to reduce the threats, or to gain more of those currencies.
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#78056
Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:21
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Which?
Do you have tonic? I have gin. (We'd be a great team.)
I also have red wine and Jagermeister.
And no tea.
Solas greatly approves.
Do not need wine or gin, or tonic. I have those. I got vodka and rum chata and fireball whiskey and something else but I forget what.
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#78057
Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:24
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Do not need wine or gin, or tonic. I have those. I got vodka and rum chata and fireball whiskey and something else but I forget what.
My friends Jim, Jack & Johnny greatly approve.
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#78058
Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:27
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I dont drink Jager. I have a very good story about why but I'm afraid if get a greatly disapproves from the conservative half of the thread.
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#78059
Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:30
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I dont drink Jager. I have a very good story about why but I'm afraid if get a greatly disapproves from the conservative half of the thread.
I don't drink at all, so I'm expecting even more disapproval points. I have no idea about alcohol outside the realm of Molson Canadian and Homemade wine.
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#78061
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Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:31
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I feel differently about this, and I'll explain, but am in no way invalidating anyone's roleplay reasons. I also understand this reasoning for keeping the vallaslin.
However, being a history nerd, one of the things that irks me is the reconstructed ethnic nationalism among peoples who were oppressed and lost touch with their actual heritage. A lot of it is sentimentalism, or just concocted BS, and this colors both the popular consciousness and in the past it also influenced historical scholarship- not in a good way. As archaeology reveals things about assumptions on national and ethnic identities, to my mind, clinging to the sentimental, constructed ethnic identity rather than the factual truth is a false sense of security and can become a political tool to reinforce division rather than anything meaningful.
With all due respect, if you're not part of a minority culture/religion that could easily be wiped out or assimilated into a much greater majority culture/religion, then don't judge people who choose to try to keep their culture/values/beliefs alive. When you've known the terror of knowing that everything your people are, everything they believe, everything that makes them stand apart could be lost forever, then you can decide it's "sentimental" or "concocted BS."
Self-preservation is a very real, very "scientific" instinct for all living-beings. Ideally, most living creatures (from the smallest gnats to the largest blue whales) don't want to age or die. Since that's not realistic, many do the next best thing to try to preserve themselves (as it were) in other ways. Like, bearing offspring that carry on our genetic traits. For humans, creating timeless art that symbolically ensures we live on as it exists. Becoming famous or historical so we live on as long as people think about us, etc.
That self-preservation can also manifest in social and cultural contexts. People often identify with people like themselves on a religious/cultural/whatever scale. And when they feel people like them are in danger of being wiped out, it's like they themselves are being wiped out. I used to study sign language and deaf culture, and many deaf people feel deafness is a culture and not a handicap. When hearing people talk about using technology (like Cochlear Implants) to eradicate deafness, many deaf people feel like their people are being personally . "Of course, when I think there will be no more deaf people in the world, I despair. And why shouldn't I? If you were told there would be no more hearing people in the world--all hearing would be gone, all spoken language would be gone, everyone would be deaf and everyone signed--you would despair too." Same with native tribes overtaken by Westerners. Minority religions/cultures like Jews and Gypsies.
To be perfectly frank, it irks me when people not "among peoples who were oppressed and lost touch with their actual a former aspect of their heritage" (culture is always changing and evolving over time, never set in stone) show disdain or dismissal toward those that are for trying to keep their ways alive. They're not "more objective" by not caring that heritages that are oppressed and dwindling can be lost forever. They are just as subjective in their indifference because it's not happening to them. It's easy to not care when it's not happening to you.
I remember when I was in middle school, we were talking about world politics and conflicts. A lot of kids in class said, "In order to get rid of war, why can't we just get rid of all countries and become one big country?" "Yeah! And speak only one language?" And the teacher said, "The problem with that is choosing which country to become and which language to speak. What if we all became, for example, China? And only spoke Chinese?" Everyone became quiet. Making everyone in the world give up their own nationality and language seemed like such a good idea when they became American and spoke English, but at the thought of us giving up our nationality and language? People were less keen. Even I felt a jolt of terror at the thought of my country and language being no more. How could I try to force that on other people?
Likewise I think the Dalish have to grow and change as they learn more about the real truth of their past, and move forward on a different basis, because in all practicality they're fading. They no longer even have a collective identity, and literally are dying out. If they don't change, they won't have any basis on which to move forward. Keep the vallaslin or not, doubling down on what they've been doing is not going to get them anywhere.
So, my view affects my Lavellan's view- also because she's kind of a scientist. You go where the truth leads you. It's an integrity thing, and though I'm sure she'll have conflicted feelings about it especially after Solas leaves her, would still have no regrets.
The Dalish do change and adapt though. Solas himself says that since Dalish clans spend so much time apart, no two clans are exactly alike. They adopt different customs, values, and survival techniques based on their immediate needs. Those who wander primarily in the forests develop different lifestyles and survival methods from those who primarily wander plains or deserts. Dalish who spend more time interacting with humans develop better diplomacy skills with outsiders than Dalish who "disappeared entirely into the forest." The Dalish themselves were sedentary in the Dales, but became nomadic out of necessity when humans outlawed their religion and tried to convert them. Now they have to move around to retain their religion and heritage since it's harder for humans to hit a moving target. They are united though by their desire not to get caught or converted by humans, and by their desire to learn about and retain their own ways. When given a safe place to rest though, like in Rivain, many different Dalish clans migrate there to rest and study. I'm sure the Dalish will settle down and become sedentary when they feel safe to do so, but not before. (Most humans attack them when they stay in one place too long, so they have to keep moving.)
Also, you say "the real truth" like it has a solid, measurable, physical property. I'm inclined to agree with Solas, "The Truth" is subjective. History is written by the winners, opinions are formed and memories are tinted by our own experiences and biases. You can look at any memory in the Fade and get different experiences from different spirits who latch onto different people who were there, but saw it in different ways. The Dalish want to learn more of their past, and when they do learn something they will likely incorporate it into their own culture and way of life. But it's a slow process since they uncover bits and pieces slowly, it's hard to know where it's appropriate to apply, and then share it with other Clans when they meet once every ten years.
But once again, when you're part of a minority culture/religion that can easily get wiped out or assimilated by a much larger one, you have to do a balancing act between adapting and retaining. The Dalish adapt to physically surviving in this world, but their culture is dedicated to retaining as much as they can because the larger majority cultures (Tevinter, Andrastians, Qunari) would have them abandon it all to serve them. And if you think they shouldn't retain at all; well, see above.
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#78062
Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:44
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With all due respect,
With all due respect, this was way too much text for something that doesn't change the truth of what was said. It may be and feel like more than sentimentality to them, but that doesn't really change that a lot of what people try to preserve is already deluded and lost. It's tragic and sad but truth. And that's where the concocted bs line comes in as well. We see all of that here with the Dalish, and Addai knows that very well, as she's been defending the Dalish across these boards a lot with that very stance you're taking.
Preserving who you are, or trying to is admirable, but when you look at it, it's a lost battle from the beginning. The Dalish for instance have long lost who their people were, no matter what they managed to salvage and keep. They're not at all the same people anymore. Looking at that, one can't help but feel it's a futile endeavor, when they're slowly dying out for a culture they falsely believe was preserved from their ancestors.
In short, she gets the self preservation angle, but she's looking at it from a historical angle.
And the Dalish aren't doing enough. This system they have currently can't last forever.
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#78063
Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:45
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And the real truth was in relation to the dalish in her post, which we were told directly from an ancient elf. I'm pretty sure that's more than just retold history one favors over another interpretation.
#78064
Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:46
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Ahahahaahahah!!! now we know the truth! I never believed in the whole "Lavellan went to find Solas in her dreams" theory.. I always wondered how she doesn't realize immediately that it's a dream, specially since haven was just destroyed.. and how she doesn't ask how they got there xDSo, I have to post this here because, yeah...
http://jessadilla.tu...and-i-dont-care
It was Solas xD he clubbed her in the head! :-D
His happy sleeping face in the last scene in priceless xD
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#78065
Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:47
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<snip>
Excellent post. 
If I recall correctly from earlier posts, you're Asatru, right? (My apologies if that's not the correct word. I know it doesn't have the correct accents, but my keyboard is lacking in that department.) That definitely gives you more perspective than me when it comes to the polytheistic Dalish surrounded by the monotheistic and heavily organized Andrastians.
I think the Dalish have done a good job at fitting their culture to modern times, while throwing off a lot of the old crap, like slavery and over-use of glitter. I just wish they could gather together in a more united sense without the humans ganging up on them, as unrealistic as that idea is, as many reasons as they have to avoid it. It was one of your posts on a similar topic a few months ago that actually made me go from being mildly interested in the Dalish to being fascinated by them.
EDIT: The one thing that bothers me about this thread is that I agree to an extent with everyone. 
Excellent points by the Colonel, Addai, and Faerunner make my poor black-and-white-dichotomy mind spin. 
But Colonel, while I think it's a doomed endeavor to reclaim the culture of Arlathan, I think it's evident that the Dalish wouldn't really want to. The clan in the Exalted Plains seems willing to move forward and try to bury the hatchet with Red Crossing when the truth about the war is revealed.
It's how I think cultures, generally speaking, should roll. Learn from the past, hold it dear, but use it above all as a teacher, not a master. The Dalish shouldn't hate humans for destroying the Dales, they should hate the human governments that are currently running them out into the wilds and not following through with land grants in the Hinterlands. 
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#78066
Posté 22 février 2015 - 01:48
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Not Solas related but..
After reading on the thread so much about The Last Court I've decided to give it a go.
Oh.my.god. I totally suck at this.
It's been only 2 days and I'm already broke, pitiful, with 80 Peril, and haven't found yet a way to acquire a lover, a bodyguard, or any of the "companions".
I'm also almost dead (?) - 30 health left.I think I'm totally not getting how this works
That sounds like you're playing it right!
If you restart, I have some advice:
Spoiler
If you need any more advice, just ask.
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#78067
Posté 22 février 2015 - 02:00
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EDIT: The one thing that bothers me about this thread is that I agree to an extent with everyone.But Colonel, while I think it's a doomed endeavor to reclaim the culture of Arlathan, I think it's evident that the Dalish wouldn't really want to. The clan in the Exalted Plains seems willing to move forward and try to bury the hatchet with Red Crossing when the truth about the war is revealed.
It's how I think cultures, generally speaking, should roll. Learn from the past, hold it dear, but use it above all as a teacher, not a master. The Dalish shouldn't hate humans for destroying the Dales, they should hate the human governments that are currently running them out into the wilds and not following through with land grants in the Hinterlands.
They probably wouldn't, no, but in my opinion that just makes what they're doing even more... I don't want to say pointless, but that's what keeps coming up.
They claim to want to preserve the ways of their people, but what they really want to do is preserve fantasies and idealistic images of their people. And really they're not any different from anyone else. We do this in american culture and we're not dying out. Everyone fears the truth to some degree and our public schools are rather shameless in how they cover the truth with inaccurate historical "facts".
#78068
Posté 22 février 2015 - 02:00
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Uh.. I don't think I have him xD Is it possible I missed him by being clueless as to what to do and picking a wrong choice or clicking perhaps not?That sounds like you're playing it right!
If you restart, I have some advice:
Spoiler
If you need any more advice, just ask.
Edit: never mind, I just remember I said he was dead and that the guy was an imposter or something xD
I think I'm gonna restart tomorrow xD I'll ask again if I need more advice, don't want to derail the topic too much from His Eggness B-)
Thanks guys ^^
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Posté 22 février 2015 - 02:09
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With all due respect, this was way too much text for something that doesn't change the truth of what was said. It may be and feel like more than sentimentality to them, but that doesn't really change that a lot of what people try to preserve is already deluded and lost. It's tragic and sad but truth. And that's where the concocted bs line comes in as well. We see all of that here with the Dalish, and Addai knows that very well, as she's been defending the Dalish across these boards a lot with that very stance you're taking.
Preserving who you are, or trying to is admirable, but when you look at it, it's a lost battle from the beginning. The Dalish for instance have long lost who their people were, no matter what they managed to salvage and keep. They're not at all the same people anymore. Looking at that, one can't help but feel it's a futile endeavor, when they're slowly dying out for a culture they falsely believe was preserved from their ancestors.
In short, she gets the self preservation angle, but she's looking at it from a historical angle.
And the Dalish aren't doing enough. This system they have currently can't last forever.
It's not "the truth" though, that's my point. The fact that she, and you, think that her views of minority cultures and people who try to retain them are somehow less biased and less subjective than people in the middle of them is the problem. It's easy to look down your nose at people preserving their culture against all odds when it's not your culture that's in danger of being wiped out or assimilated into a much larger one. You're just as biased, just on the other side of the fence.
She also seems to think that cultures and religions are set in stone; that there's only one way for a culture to be, and once aspects of a culture changes, the whole culture is dead forever and trying to reinstate older aspects of a culture to the modern-day one is stupid and trying to revive something that is both dead and should stay dead. Cultures flow like rivers, they don't sit like rocks. They're always changing and adapting; always being influenced by the world and people around them. However, if people feel their current culture has changed too much from what they'd like it to be in recent years, or they've assimilated too much into being just like the dominant one, and want to strengthen their own identity and customs by reinstating traditions and practices that haven't been used for a while but can strengthen their sense of cultural identity and independence; you know what? I think they're perfectly within their right to do so. If the act of reinstating an ancient but as recently unused ritualistic tattoo ceremony gives the people a stronger feeling of cultural identity and independence? Good on them.
The fact that she (and you) think it's stupid, "deluded," "sentimental," "concocted BS" for people to strengthen their cultural identity when they feel it's waned too much doesn't make YOU right or objective, or them wrong or more subjective.
Also, I've played the same game as you and I don't see any evidence that the Dalish are "dying out" or "long lost who their people were" or whatever. They change and adapt to survive in a changing and hostile world, but retain their own religious/cultural identity in a world that says, "Abandon all that and be just like us. Build statues in Tevinter/Worship the Maker/submit to the Qun."
As Merrill says, "Your 'Maker' is a story you humans use to explain the world. We have our own stories. I don't need to borrow yours."
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#78070
Posté 22 février 2015 - 02:09
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They probably wouldn't, no, but in my opinion that just makes what they're doing even more... I don't want to say pointless, but that's what keeps coming up.
They claim to want to preserve the ways of their people, but what they really want to do is preserve fantasies and idealistic images of their people. And really they're not any different from anyone else. We do this in american culture and we're not dying out. Everyone fears the truth to some degree and our public schools are rather shameless in how they cover the truth with inaccurate historical "facts".
I wouldn't say 'pointless'. They see it as reclaiming their stolen culture from Tevinter, it gives them a purpose, it gives them hope.
With recent revelations about the 'glory' of Arlathan, however, it does seem tragic.
While it's not ideal, and how much they get wrong makes me uncomfortable, do they have many other sources of what it is to be an elf, without elf also meaning bent, broken, enslaved, exile?
Ugh. American public education. I've seen them herald Christopher Columbus as a great hero, the Pilgrims as the bringers of prosperity, the natives in that area as being totally cool and friendly and no we're not going to talk about what happened to them, and a single sentence reserved for the internment of Japanese-Americans (or anyone who looked vaguely Asian) into camps during World War II. But made-up stories about Paul Revere and George Washington take several pages to themselves. 
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Posté 22 février 2015 - 02:18
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You're making a lot of assumptions based off of something you were evidently offended by, and your offense doesn't really change anything, nor does it change what I said previously enough to restate it. Especially when you don't know my ethnic and historical background or hers.
The Dalish are constantly getting clans wiped out and killed, their population isn't thriving, they aren't growing. It's rather clear they aren't going anywhere fast.
I wouldn't say 'pointless'. They see it as reclaiming their stolen culture from Tevinter, it gives them a purpose, it gives them hope.
With recent revelations about the 'glory' of Arlathan, however, it does seem tragic.
While it's not ideal, and how much they get wrong makes me uncomfortable, do they have many other sources of what it is to be an elf, without elf also meaning bent, broken, enslaved, exile?
Ugh. American public education.
I would stop looking for sources and define myself what it means to be an elf. That's what they're doing in a way, but they're still anchored to the past, which again I don't blame them for, and I don't think Addai was suggesting they completely abandon it either, but they should realize just exactly what they're doing so they can allow themselves to grow culturally and otherwise.
And yes, our public schooling is ass. They still tell kids he was the first to discover America. I wrote my brother's teacher a little note on his homework that day.
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Posté 22 février 2015 - 02:19
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You should keep in mind the two Temple of Sacred Asses pictures while reading this.
Wait. Electricfish, what is this whole look of yours about? What are you supposed to be, some kind of woodsman? Is it a Dalish thing? Don't you dislike the Dalish? Or is it some kind of statement?
No, but this is hysterical, keep writing this excellent stuff
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#78075
Posté 22 février 2015 - 02:29
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You're making a lot of assumptions based off of something you were evidently offended by, and your offense doesn't really change anything, nor does it change what I said previously enough to restate it. Especially when you don't know my ethnic and historical background or hers.
The Dalish are constantly getting clans wiped out and killed, their population isn't thriving, they aren't growing. It's rather clear they aren't going anywhere fast.
I would stop looking for sources and define myself what it means to be an elf. That's what they're doing in a way, but they're still anchored to the past, which again I don't blame them for, and I don't think Addai was suggesting they completely abandon it either, but they should realize just exactly what they're doing so they can allow themselves to grow culturally and otherwise.
And yes, our public schooling is ass. They still tell kids he was the first to discover America. I wrote my brother's teacher a little note on his homework that day.
Going off the admittedly Ralaferin centric Codex entries, some of the Dalish seem to believe that someday, the human kingdoms will be in disarray, and the City Elves will rise in revolt. Then the Dalish will join forces with the City Elves, and teach them the ancient ways, and they'll remake the glory of the Dales.
This is admittedly unlikely. The City Elves are divided in opinion on the Dalish, and the Dalish don't seem to have anywhere near the ability or knowledge the Dales did. It reminds me of some of the gentler Communist rhetoric in the days before the USSR, or even the Students in Les Mis. "Surely they'll all rally once they see the inspiring sight of our barricade!"
*crickets chirp*
"...they brought a cannon."
