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Okay, I've been spending the passed few weeks trying to draw my girl, and I'm slowly getting there but I would like some opinions, namely colour. Her head is fine, but I'm stuck on her clothes. Ilaria's an archer, so she favors really earthy colours for camouflage, but I'm not too happy with what she has now. Since we have some wonderfully creative people here, I was hoping some of you might lend your creative eyeballs:

 

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I'm not sure if anyone has replied to this but anyway...

 

Since she favours earthy colours for camo, you might want to stay away from too much greys and blacks since those would stand out in a forest setting (assuming she's a typical "Dalish in the woods", of course). Maybe some warm greens, browns, and yellows would do?

 

Like these: (spoilered for size)

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Going off the admittedly Ralaferin centric Codex entries, some of the Dalish seem to believe that someday, the human kingdoms will be in disarray, and the City Elves will rise in revolt. Then the Dalish will join forces with the City Elves, and teach them the ancient ways, and they'll remake the glory of the Dales.

This is admittedly unlikely. The City Elves are divided in opinion on the Dalish, and the Dalish don't seem to have anywhere near the ability or knowledge the Dales did. It reminds me of some of the gentler Communist rhetoric in the days before the USSR, or even the Students in Les Mis. "Surely they'll all rally once they see the inspiring sight of our barricade!"

*crickets chirp*
"...they brought a cannon."

 

It's a nice fantasy though. One I'd love to see myself. I mean, everything ends, so their prophecy's not that far fetched... the main problem is they're not trying very hard to see the day themselves.



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Wait. Electricfish, what is this whole look of yours about? What are you supposed to be, some kind of woodsman? Is it a Dalish thing? Don't you dislike the Dalish? Or is it some kind of statement?

No, but this is hysterical, keep writing this excellent stuff  :lol:

 

i'm sorry. You seem to lack the practicality one requires when not being waited on hand-and-foot from your slaves.

For all their faults, the Dalish, at least, don't draw undue attention to themselves.

 

Just like my heart.

 

 

.... My Vhenaaaaan.  :crying:


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People take a fake game with fake religions and fake cultures way too personally. What works and does not work in a fantasy video game will not, can not, should not, apply to real life.
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Excellent post. :)

If I recall correctly from earlier posts, you're Asatru, right? (My apologies if that's not the correct word. I know it doesn't have the correct accents, but my keyboard is lacking in that department.) That definitely gives you more perspective than me when it comes to the polytheistic Dalish surrounded by the monotheistic and heavily organized Andrastians.

I think the Dalish have done a good job at fitting their culture to modern times, while throwing off a lot of the old crap, like slavery and over-use of glitter. I just wish they could gather together in a more united sense without the humans ganging up on them, as unrealistic as that idea is, as many reasons as they have to avoid it. It was one of your posts on a similar topic a few months ago that actually made me go from being mildly interested in the Dalish to being fascinated by them.

EDIT: The one thing that bothers me about this thread is that I agree to an extent with everyone.  :lol: Excellent points by the Colonel, Addai, and Faerunner make my poor black-and-white-dichotomy mind spin.  :P

But Colonel, while I think it's a doomed endeavor to reclaim the culture of Arlathan, I think it's evident that the Dalish wouldn't really want to. The clan in the Exalted Plains seems willing to move forward and try to bury the hatchet with Red Crossing when the truth about the war is revealed.

It's how I think cultures, generally speaking, should roll. Learn from the past, hold it dear, but use it above all as a teacher, not a master. The Dalish shouldn't hate humans for destroying the Dales, they should hate the human governments that are currently running them out into the wilds and not following through with land grants in the Hinterlands.  :(

 

Asatru? I think you're confusing me with someone else. ^^; I'm not part of a polytheistic religion (though I do find them fascinating), just Jewish. (Thousands of years of "They tried to wipe us out, we survived. Let's eat!" Ancient Egyptians, Babylonians, Perisans, Philistines, Romans, Spanish Inquisition, and Nazis, just to name a few. Didn't work. We're still around. Take that.)

 

As for the rest, I pretty much agree. I think...

 

You're making a lot of assumptions based off of something you were evidently offended by, and your offense doesn't really change anything, nor does it change what I said previously enough to restate it.

 

So... wait, am I to understand that saying your view is "the truth" automatically makes it so? Saying that people from oppressed and waning cultures who re-adopt older traditions and practices back into modern usage to strengthen their sense of cultural identity, loyalty, and independence is "stupid," "deluded," "sentimental," and "concocted BS" just because you say it is? You're somehow more objective and know "the truth" of what they should be doing because "from a historical perspective" (never mind that studying history is itself subjective since history written by the winners, and people's views of the world are colored by their own experiences and biases) you know "the truth"? I see you've proven me to be objectively wrong.  -_-

 

I would stop looking for sources and define myself what it means to be an elf. That's what they're doing in a way, but they're still anchored to the past, which again I don't blame them for, and I don't think Addai was suggesting they completely abandon it either, but they should realize just exactly what they're doing so they can allow themselves to grow culturally and otherwise.

 

You know... you said I used "way too much text" earlier, but why didn't you just say this before? I could have agreed to disagree if you just let me know this is what you were getting at.



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So, what? Saying your view is "the truth" automatically makes it so? Saying that people from oppressed and waning cultures who readopt older traditions and practices back into modern usage to strengthen their sense of cultural identity, loyalty, and independence is "stupid," "deluded," "sentimental," and "concocted BS" just because you say it is? You're somehow more objective and know "the truth" of what they should be doing because "from a historical perspective" (never mind that studying history is itself subjective since history written by the winners, and people's views of the world are colored by their own experiences and biases) you know "the truth"? I see you've proven me to be objectively wrong.  -_-

 

 

 

 

You know... you said I used "way too much text" earlier, but why didn't you just say this before? I could have agreed to disagree if you just let me know this is what you two were getting at.

First of all, the point that what people are trying to preserve is inaccurate and a lot of the times made up, that is true, yes. And common sense. We do this with cultures that aren't even dying out, so how can one deny that for cultures dying out and struggling to preserve who they are. That is the part I was referring to as truth.

 

Second, you'd have gotten that answer if you wouldn't have been busy making so many assumptions. And we may as well leave the discussion there, as not much else is there to say.


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Asatru? I think you're confusing me with someone else. ^^; I'm not part of a polytheistic religion (though I do find them fascinating), just Jewish. (Thousands of years of "They tried to wipe us out, we survived. Let's eat!" Ancient Egyptians, Babylonians, Perisans, Philistines, Romans, Spanish Inquisition, and Nazis, just to name a few. Didn't work. We're still around. Take that.)

 

Oh, crap. 

Well, hopefully being mistaken for Asatru is a new and amusing experience. :P

In honor of the one Jewish holiday I can name that I also know the backstory behind, I'd like to add the Seleucid Greeks to that very long list. :P

The Jewish Revolts of the early Roman Empire remind me of the War of the Dales, a bit. The relatively tiny population throwing a huge fit and shocking everyone by not buckling right under, the conflict over religion and culture, and the empire that had been experiencing victory after victory still winning, but having a startling reminder that they're not infallible. Sadly, they did not manage to send an armada of Jewish pirates across the Mediterranean to lay siege to Rome, as impressive as that would have been.

...And I'm now imagining Solas leading a stubborn resistance from DA's version of Masada, sending out guerrila Dalish warriors to harass Tevinter through the Eluvian network.


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I wish I had a stuffed Solas plushie that would say phrases whenever I squeezed it.

 

*Squeeze*

"Ar lath ma, Vhenan."

 

:wub:


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I wish I had a stuffed Solas plushie that would say phrases whenever I squeezed it.

 

*Squeeze*

"Ar lath ma, Vhenan."

 

:wub:

 

I second this. I'd take a Solas plushy period.


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With all due respect, if you're not part of a minority culture/religion that could easily be wiped out or assimilated into a much greater majority culture/religion, then don't judge people who choose to try to keep their culture/values/beliefs alive. When you've known the terror of knowing that everything your people are, everything they believe, everything that makes them stand apart could be lost forever, then you can decide it's "sentimental" or "concocted BS."

I didn't say otherwise. I was talking about what you do when you're faced with evidence that a previous belief is factually wrong.

I'm not going to get into personal stuff, so that's enough of that.

The Dalish do change and adapt though. Solas himself says that since Dalish clans spend so much time apart, no two clans are exactly alike. They adopt different customs, values, and survival techniques based on their immediate needs.

They aren't being served very well by their present course. I don't know what the future holds, but it has to be different than the course they're on or there won't be any Dalish to speak of.
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I wish I had a stuffed Solas plushie that would say phrases whenever I squeezed it.

 

*Squeeze*

"Ar lath ma, Vhenan."

 

:wub:

 

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Wow, hot. :devil:



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Solas would never dress like a Christmas elf. They are slaves to the human race. Down with the Santa shem. Elven glory!


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First of all, the point that what people are trying to preserve is inaccurate and a lot of the times made up, that is true, yes. And common sense. We do this with cultures that aren't even dying out, so how can one deny that for cultures dying out and struggling to preserve who they are. That is the part I was referring to as truth.[/quote]

 

I literally don't understand what that means. Please clarify?

 

Second, you'd have gotten that answer if you wouldn't have been busy making so many assumptions. And we may as well leave the discussion there, as not much else is there to say.

 

I'd argue further, but clearly that won't get anyway. Please just answer my two above questions, as I'm legitimately curious about the first one and don't understand what you're trying to say on the second one, and otherwise I'll just drop it.

 

Oh, crap. 

Well, hopefully being mistaken for Asatru is a new and amusing experience. :P

In honor of the one Jewish holiday I can name that I also know the backstory behind, I'd like to add the Seleucid Greeks to that very long list. :P

The Jewish Revolts of the early Roman Empire remind me of the War of the Dales, a bit.

 

Oh, yeah, Seleucid Greeks. See? There are so many even we miss a few when we list them off the top of our heads from time to time. XD

 

And yeah, the Jewish revolts of the Roman Empire does have shades in common with the Fall of the Dales. It's part of why I have a hard time saying, "Dragon Age is just a game filled with fictional characters that have no basis in reality, and so shouldn't be compared to the real world." Well, clearly they do have basis in reality, can be compared to the real world, and can influence and shape our views on similar subjects. But, I'm getting tired from this topic, so... to each their own.



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I didn't say otherwise. I was talking about what you do when you're faced with evidence that a previous belief is factually wrong.

 

Such as?



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Such as?

Like the belief that the vallaslin was something elves chose to do to honor the gods.



#78093
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I'm sure everyone would love to see my very first drawing in my sketchbook.

http://avejajed.tumb...st/111719590442


Drawn on paper in my new sketchbook. Took a picture of it with my phone and added color via whatever app I have. Tada! Here I come, Louvre!

Edited because I've been drinking and forgot to link hahhaha
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So.... yesterday I believe...you all were talking about body pillows.... well...  lookie what I found...

 

https://www.etsy.com...ew_type=gallery


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I literally don't understand what that means. Please clarify?

 

 

 

 

I'd argue further, but clearly that won't get anyway. Please just answer my two above questions, as I'm legitimately curious about the first one and don't understand what you're trying to say on the second one, and otherwise I'll just drop it.

 

 

It's simple. We lose details of history and in that history, culture, through different retellings of it and by people ignoring details in favor of the stories they prefer. That's an issue we have even with history that is well documented. And so cultures that struggle to preserve "who they are" really are preserving the idealistic image or shadow of who they are. It's not their fault, that's just the nature of the beast. Things are lost and they make up and replace it where they can. That's the tragedy of it.

 

So when you come to a culture like the Dalish that strive to preserve "who they are" so much that they get stuck in this pattern that holds them back so much as a people, I can't help but be annoyed by it, especially if they face the truth of their people when they find it and don't grow or change from it. Which shows they're less interested in preserving who they "are" and more interested in preserving who they want to be. Which is fine, except they still act as if what they're doing is the former, and it leaves them fractured and descending.


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So.... yesterday I believe...you all were talking about body pillows.... well...  lookie what I found...

 

https://www.etsy.com...ew_type=gallery

My computer wont let me see, lol. Says untrusted connection and wont let me add it as an accepted site.



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My computer wont let me see, lol. Says untrusted connection and wont let me add it as an accepted site.

 

It's a Fenris body pillow. 

 

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Legit though.


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My computer wont let me see, lol. Says untrusted connection and wont let me add it as an accepted site.

aww..for shame...you needed to see the Iron Bull  and Blackwall body pillow cases. :-P 



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You know what's hard? Drawing boobies.
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My computer wont let me see, lol. Says untrusted connection and wont let me add it as an accepted site.

Perhaps....

 

http://tinyurl.com/nrkxqz4