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I have a sort of off-topic question that's been bugging me for some time but never got around to asking, and it concerns blood magic.

 

Solas mentions, if the Inquisitor is a mage and expresses interest in learning blood magic, that he would teach them if he could but he doesn't practice it because it makes connecting to the Fade either more difficult or impossible, I can't remember which he said. He doesn't mention why it does.

 

However, in Origins, we get the option to save Conner by going into the Fade with the use of blood magic and a single mage, something which can be done alone whereas ordinarily it'd take a few mages and a hefty helping of lyrium... Unless I'm getting something wrong or mixed up, it sounds to me like being able to use blood magic would, if anything, make it easier. Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that lyrium acts as a sort of bridge connecting you to the Fade, and with that we can assume blood, or a person's life essence, acts as a bridge too. While it's certainly not a preferred option, and Solas has enough command of the Fade not to need it, why would it make it difficult/impossible to access the Fade with it merely by being able to use blood magic?

 

I'm assuming DA2 delves more into blood magic and its uses by how much Hawke harps on about it in DAI, but not having played it I don't know. x)



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...Though you'd think they'd recognize Tevinter as a bad ally. <_<   

 

 

 

Unfortunately, Trevinter was the only ally... Sure Fiona was stupid, but at least she attempted a negotiation and took a hit for the term herself by entering into the indenture agreement with Alexius rather than volunteering another mage.



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Unfortunately, Trevinter was the only ally... Sure Fiona was stupid, but at least she attempted a negotiation and took a hit for the term herself by entering into the indenture agreement with Alexius rather than volunteering another mage.

Well, my problem is that she kind of indentured herself and the entire rebellion. :)

But yeah, Alexius's deception about a imminent Templar attack did seem to push her into a corner.

Then again, it's a castle. Full of mages. Powerful as the Templars are, I don't think they would be able to seize control like that. Normally they're inside the fortified Circles already.

 

As for the blood magic, I don't know. :( It's curious that the Magisters used blood magic and lyrium en masse to enter the Fade physically. Perhaps blood magic allows for that, but not Dreaming?

But then again, the Neromenian Dreamers were the basis for the Tevinter magisters, and both are said to have used blood magic heavily.

I don't know.  :unsure:

I don't think there's anything in DA2 that would explain it, save some backstory on Dreamers.


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It's curious. I'm wondering if it's simply a continuity error, but since I'm not as well read on the lore as I'd like to be I'd rather point at my own ignorance rather than blaming it on the writers straight away. x)



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Well, my problem is that she kind of indentured herself and the entire rebellion. :)

But yeah, Alexius's deception about a imminent Templar attack did seem to push her into a corner.

Then again, it's a castle. Full of mages. Powerful as the Templars are, I don't think they would be able to seize control like that. Normally they're inside the fortified Circles already.

 

 

If you talk to the mages around Redcliffe there are an awful lot of vulnerable young people among them who wouldn't last five minutes in a fight. I think Fiona did the only thing she thought she could do, personally I would have negotiated longer and harder but at the end of the day... or put myself at the mercy of the Feraldan throne but there again she had a very personal reason as to why she could not do that...


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Point taken. Though apparently only tranquils can make enchantments? I think somewhere in Origins says so. I have to tip my hat to them every time I use enchantments. 

 

So does that mean Sandal is a weird tranquil? 

 

  So, my fiancé has been persistent in wanting me to tell you guys his theory on Sandal -.-. I was talking to him about madrars fade-shadow idea and consequent conversations. From this he thinks that Sandal is the tranquil, physical part separated from June's "fade-shadow/soul". He also thinks that June, from beyond the fade, is responsible for "crafting" darkspawn (broodmothers, I guess) out of a sort of compulsive need to craft as is his essential nature. 

  My job is complete *dusts self off*. 

 

<Observations on the state of Mages and Anders actions amongst general tranquility talk>

<Cool comparisons of morality of crimes, and Anders perhaps not responsible for his actions in the end> 

 

 Uncomfortable talk regarding mental illness

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Unfortunately, Trevinter was the only ally... Sure Fiona was stupid, but at least she attempted a negotiation and took a hit for the term herself by entering into the indenture agreement with Alexius rather than volunteering another mage.

 

There's a theory that Cornflakes was using the Nightmare demon to make the mages feel like their situation was hopeless.


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Kind of NSFW

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If you talk to the mages around Redcliffe there are an awful lot of vulnerable young people among them who wouldn't last five minutes in a fight. I think Fiona did the only thing she thought she could do, personally I would have negotiated longer and harder but at the end of the day... or put myself at the mercy of the Feraldan throne but there again she had a very personal reason as to why she could not do that...

Fair enough. :)

The Mage Rebellion was in a bad spot.  :lol: Likewise, I would have thrown myself at Ferelden. As a diplomatic gesture, I would have course have been seduced by Arl Teagan.  :wub:


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So I was thinking about a superficial analysis of what Solas tells you he has seen in the fade and what it could tell us about him.

 

Forgive my brevity 

 

The soldiers singing. These are humans possibly Fereldens on their way to Ostagar.  Fighting men not trained singers yet Solas tells us they sing better than any chantry choir ever could... He seems to admire their bravery, their skill at working together, their commitment to their cause. 

 

The dead dwarves. Again the theme of bravery and sacrifice, they knew they would die but they all gave their lives defending a small child to the last. Adds the theme of compassion and defending the weak to the above.

 

The rebel qunari mixing a pinch of sugar in the loaves she is baking.  One imagines she is some kind of servant. Solas admires her desire for individualism, to be herself within a system which imposes absolute conformity to the rules. This is the basis of many of his arguments with IB.

 

The empty house. This is thought to be Flemeth's cottage which remains unscathed, Solas marvels at this but we don't quite know what he is telling us here, respect for the past? How fear limits our normal impulses? The importance of respecting the gods?

 

Hopefully the basis of discussion.  I might post something later on Solas' convos about different spirits. If I've missed any out, please tell me.


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Fair enough. :)

The Mage Rebellion was in a bad spot.  :lol: Likewise, I would have thrown myself at Ferelden. As a diplomatic gesture, I would have course have been seduced by Arl Teagan.  :wub:

 

"Alistair... I'm your mum!"   :o


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It's curious. I'm wondering if it's simply a continuity error, ...

 

I personally agree on that but sshhhhh....


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So I was thinking about a superficial analysis of what Solas tells you he has seen in the fade and what it could tell us about him.

 

Forgive my brevity 

 

The soldiers singing. These are humans possibly Fereldens on their way to Ostagar.  Fighting men not trained singers yet Solas tells us they sing better than any chantry choir ever could... He seems to admire their bravery, their skill at working together, their commitment to their cause. 

 

The dead dwarves. Again the theme of bravery and sacrifice, they knew they would die but they all gave their lives defending a small child to the last. Adds the theme of compassion and defending the weak to the above.

 

The rebel qunari mixing a pinch of sugar in the loaves she is baking.  One imagines she is some kind of servant. Solas admires her desire for individualism, to be herself within a system which imposes absolute conformity to the rules. This is the basis of many of his arguments with IB.

 

The empty house. This is thought to be Flemeth's cottage which remains unscathed, Solas marvels at this but we don't quite know what he is telling us here, respect for the past? How fear limits our normal impulses? The importance of respecting the gods?

 

Hopefully the basis of discussion.  I might post something later on Solas' convos about different spirits. If I've missed any out, please tell me.

I thought the soldiers singing were mentioned as barbarians? I thought of the Avvar and Tyrdda Bright-Axe, but it certainly isn't specific. :)

I love the Qunari one.

The one I don't get is the dwarf leaving the rock on the surface.



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I thought the soldiers singing were mentioned as barbarians? I thought of the Avvar and Tyrdda Bright-Axe, but it certainly isn't specific. :)

I love the Qunari one.

The one I don't get is the dwarf leaving the rock on the surface.

 

I think as has been said before, he was clinging to it as a reminder/comforter from his past life but once he has adapted to the surface he no longer needs it so he drops it. So reliance on our past can be a comfort when we face new challenges but if we are to grow properly, we should be ready to leave it behind, I see lots of lessons for the Dalish there....


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I personally agree on that but sshhhhh....

 

Why are we whispering? Is someone listening? *paranoid*



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Kind of NSFW

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The Pearl comic really captures Zevran well haha. I think I need to add him to my InkyxDorianxFenris **** **** up after Coryflora head cannon party.


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I think as has been said before, he was clinging to it as a reminder/comforter from his past life but once he has adapted to the surface he no longer needs it so he drops it. So reliance on our past can be a comfort when we face new challenges but if we are to grow properly, we should be ready to leave it behind, I see lots of lessons for the Dalish there....

 

It could be a lesson for Solas himself, as well. He's clinging so much to what the elves used to be that he's incapable of seeing anything good in the Dalish.

 

So yeah, I'm a Dalish fan, not interested in griffons, love DA2 and the ME3 original ending without EC.

 

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Why are we whispering? Is someone listening? *paranoid*

 

They are always listening. :ph34r:


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It could be a lesson for Solas himself, as well. He's clinging so much to what the elves used to be that he's incapable of seeing anything good in the Dalish.

 

So yeah, I'm a Dalish fan, not interested in griffons, love DA2 and the ME3 original ending without EC.

 

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The Dalish reminded me of the Bretons just in the specific Orlesian jokes making fun of Delphine. :P

 

"Ain't easy being an Orlesian in these forums..." She said, crawling in a sea of frilly cakes, croissants, pains au chocolat and red wine.

 

I feel sooo damn guilty every time I kill a dragon. They're all so beautiful and unique and lovely and. Ugh. I killed all ten of them in my current PT. ;___; I needed the trophyyyy.

 

Same... I really felt crappy while killing them, and I only did because they drop gorgeous items, nice XP and most of all, the trophy! Which i didn't get at first, cause it was BUGGED. (eventually got it though).

 

I also want to say (also off topic since that's apparently my thing) that I am seriously obsessed with Eddie Redmayne. 10/10 would bang. Even dressed like Voldemort.

 

He was awesome in the mess that Jupiter Ascending was. An enjoyable awesome mess, but a mess still.

 

Men are silly at times with our talks of masculinity.

 

You don't say! Eveytime I start to see people trying to prove theirs, I end up shutting them down and telling them that I have the biggest anyway.

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Dragons are beautiful and if they were real I'd go out of my way to save them.

 

Yep, same here. Someone told me that at some point there was a character invested in studying them and communicating with them. I wish we were given this option, I wish we could at least try, instead of having to kill them right away.

 

 

And about Anders, I haven't met him yet (still at the beginning of DA:O), but I'm sure I can't quite hate someone who loves cats and wants to free the mages. It'll be interesting to discover him during my playthrough, even though I'm also very interested in Fenris.


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So yeah, I'm a Dalish fan, not interested in griffons, love DA2 and the ME3 original ending without EC.

 

I fixed it for you.

 

So now I can say: "I know why I like you".


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You don't say! Eveytime I start to see people trying to prove theirs, I end up shutting them down and telling them that I have the biggest anyway.

 

 

I tend to prove mine by not having to.

 

 


I can go with being Aria. But who dreamed of French manicure, huh? If anything, you are the Tali to my Shepard. "I'm as free as the dust in the solar wind." - "Sure you are, honey, whatever you say."

 

It was... Shepard can have weird dreams! What, do they all have to be about the Protheans? :P


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You don't say! Eveytime I start to see people trying to prove theirs, I end up shutting them down and telling them that I have the biggest anyway.

 

Wait, you get undressed to prove your masculinity?   :blink:
 

Yep, same here. Someone told me that at some point there was a character invested in studying them and communicating with them.


You mean Frederic? Have you not yet encountered him?
 

And about Anders, I haven't met him yet (still at the beginning of DA:O), but I'm sure I can't quite hate someone who loves cats and wants to free the mages. It'll be interesting to discover him during my playthrough, even though I'm also very interested in Fenris.

 

If you're at the beginning of DAO you will not meet him in a long while. He is introduced in the post-game DLC Awakening and will then be re-introduced as a completely different person in DA2. I had a major crush on Anders in Awakening but what was left of him in DA2 was only a shadow of himself, a pathetic wimp. If you romance him he will even force you to let him move in with you right after the first night spent together. I don't care that he blew up the Chantry. In fact that was one of the few moments where I could respect him because he was willing to stop whining and do something to fight for what he believes in.

The first kiss -especially in a rivalmance- was pretty awesome though, I give him that.

Should you wish to romance him I'd suggest a rivalmance because he's so much more alive there.


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Killabee, bae.. I got something for you.

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Hehehe, hells yea! I'll be waiting, Cassandra, and when she comes, I'll reblog so fast your ****** head will spin into the Void.

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