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[scintilla]

*blushes*
I have so many of those. I'll make a series. I have a problem.

 

I didn't know they were yours! Yesss, please do!   I see no problem.

 

So I was thinking about a superficial analysis of what Solas tells you he has seen in the fade and what it could tell us about him.

 

Forgive my brevity 

 

The soldiers singing. These are humans possibly Fereldens on their way to Ostagar.  Fighting men not trained singers yet Solas tells us they sing better than any chantry choir ever could... He seems to admire their bravery, their skill at working together, their commitment to their cause. 

 

The dead dwarves. Again the theme of bravery and sacrifice, they knew they would die but they all gave their lives defending a small child to the last. Adds the theme of compassion and defending the weak to the above.

 

The rebel qunari mixing a pinch of sugar in the loaves she is baking.  One imagines she is some kind of servant. Solas admires her desire for individualism, to be herself within a system which imposes absolute conformity to the rules. This is the basis of many of his arguments with IB.

 

The empty house. This is thought to be Flemeth's cottage which remains unscathed, Solas marvels at this but we don't quite know what he is telling us here, respect for the past? How fear limits our normal impulses? The importance of respecting the gods?

 

Hopefully the basis of discussion.  I might post something later on Solas' convos about different spirits. If I've missed any out, please tell me.

 

I got the impression that the first was something older than Ostagar. Avvar or Alamarri maybe.

 

The qunari could be a baker. It would tie in with that one conversation with Iron Bull about how a baker in Seheron and a baker in Orlais have the same concerns.

 

He mentions the matchmaker spirit and the one who chased the barbarian tribes into Ferelden. The matchmaker is selflessness, perhaps? Helping with no expectation of getting anything in return except seeing other people happy. I'm not sure about the shadow spirit. He calls the people she chased prey which implies her intentions weren't kind but he also calls her lonely. Not taking a reductionist view, maybe? It would be easy to call her evil if she was preying on people but recognizing her loneliness suggests sympathy for her.

 

I always thought the matchmaker was an interesting choice to talk about. Maybe the intent was just to say "hey, this spirit is a kind one." Surely there are others he could have brought up in that context though.

 

Top Solas:

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[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Whoa! O.O

 

What armours are they??

[Colonelkillabee]

I can imagine.^^

The music I listen to doesn't scare anybody. I'm doing something wrong...

Heh, I listen to lots of stuff. Rap/Hip Hop, hence my name "Killabee" from Wutang, Rock/Metal/Hard Rock, etc etc etc, Country, folk, folk metal and so on.

 

But I like to troll on the road every once in a while, lol. Seeing the face of some old couple next to me on the road when I'm blasting Tupac, Immortal Technique or "Wu Tang Clan Aint Nuthin to **** With" is hilarious.

[Maria13]

I didn't know they were yours! Yesss, please do!   I see no problem.

 

 

 

I got the impression that the first was something older than Ostagar. Avvar or Alamarri maybe.

 

The qunari could be a baker. It would tie in with that one conversation with Iron Bull about how a baker in Seheron and a baker in Orlais have the same concerns.

 

He mentions the matchmaker spirit and the one who chased the barbarian tribes into Ferelden. The matchmaker is selflessness, perhaps? Helping with no expectation of getting anything in return except seeing other people happy. I'm not sure about the shadow spirit. He calls the people she chased prey which implies her intentions weren't kind but he also calls her lonely. Not taking a reductionist view, maybe? It would be easy to call her evil if she was preying on people but recognizing her loneliness suggests sympathy for her.

 

I always thought the matchmaker was an interesting choice to talk about. Maybe the intent was just to say "hey, this spirit is a kind one." Surely there are others he could have brought up in that context though.

 

 

 

Those are good comments about the stories. Older soldiers but the principle is the same. I was also interested in the fact that he cites examples of humans, dwarfs and qunari but nothing about elves...

 

Yeah, I was going to do another post about the spirits, again with the aim of attempting to establish what this all says about Solas.

[drake2511]

What armours are they??

 

Solas has the battlemage mail + battlemage mail arms and legs, Lavellan's armor is the dalish keeper armor (dalish mage).

[Delphine]

Weirdly enough, I don't scare anyone when I'm listening to Metal/Hard Rock/Industrial Rock.

But the moment I listen to a K-Pop song, everybody loses their sh*t.

[Illyria]

Why are we whispering? Is someone listening? *paranoid*

 

*puts down the recording device and backs away*

 

Nope.  Not listening.  Don't worry.  Continue your discussion.

[scintilla]

Yeah, I was going to do another post about the spirits, again with the aim of attempting to establish what this all says about Solas.

 

Yes. I'm sorry, I don't always get my point across well. The Matchmaker would suggest he values selflessness (although it could just be SEE SPIRITS ARE GOOD) and the Shadow... hm, I can't think of a good word for this trait, it's just not coming to me. Just that it would be easy to reduce her to evil and he shows sympathy for her and still acknowledges that the people who fled were prey.

[Taelaa]

One of my friend played the whole game thinking Solas was too nice and kind and therefore boring. Then he finished the game and was genuinely surprised by the end. A lot.

All the clues about him went literally over his head the whole time, and now he wants to make another playthrough while romancing him, and with Cole in banter for extra clues.

 

 

On the subject of Tranquils, I really regret making Alexius a Tranquil. I think it's the only decision I regret, it was too cruel and didn't deserve it.

 

This was similar to my first play through. I was human and decided to romance Blackwall, which completely blinded me to all the clues about him, but by the time we got to the bar scene, I had this weird creepy feeling and didn't go back to the barn with him. Boy was I surprised! And angry, man I was pissed off. It drove my Trev straight into Cullen's arms. But the whole time, I was talking to Solas and finding him fascinating in a scholarly, fade nerd kind of way. I dig nerds, but my first instinct is to go for the scruffy *******, it's a personal flaw.

 

So yeah, after I recovered from the stinger (well, managed to catch my breath at least) I knew I had to play again, romancing Solas, because, holy ****, how did I miss that? And sure enough, if you're paying attention, there are sooo many clues, at least that he's not quite who he says he is. Now there's no going back for me. Team Solas all the way. Funny how I got so pissed at Blackwall for being a lying bastard and with Solas it's just sweet agony and hoping he comes back. I'm pretty sure Bioware put that particular parallel in the game on purpose. I'm convinced they are doing psychological studies on us.

[Illyria]

And about Anders, I haven't met him yet (still at the beginning of DA:O), but I'm sure I can't quite hate someone who loves cats and wants to free the mages. It'll be interesting to discover him during my playthrough, even though I'm also very interested in Fenris.

 

About Anders....

 

He made me, someone who is very pro mage and enjoys RPing pro mage characters, want to side with the Templers.

 

And Fenris...

 

I would say how much I love Fenris but I can't because that's basically a large amount of squeeing and jumping up and down and gushing.

 

He is one of the most interesting and well written characters in DA2.  He's anti magic but with reason.  He comes at life from the opposite direction as Anders - he's seen what mages without rules can do and he is willing to listen and even admit when he's wrong.

 

And pro mage apostate snarky!Hawke/Fenris = OTP.

 

EDIT: Just to clarify: I went mages in the end, but I was annoyed that the only options for Anders were 'let him go' or 'make him a martyr.'

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

Solas has the battlemage mail + battlemage mail arms and legs, Lavellan's armor is the dalish keeper armor (dalish mage).

 

Thanks so much

 

Also pardon for asking so many questions but how do I get them to wear that armour in cutscenes instead of pajamas and long johns? xD I play pc so it should be possible right?

[Colonelkillabee]

About Anders....

 

He made me, someone who is very pro mage and enjoys RPing pro mage characters, want to side with the Templers.

Yea same... almost. Then I remembered I don't ****s with sexually frustrated white knight knobs and went on my merry way murdering the lot of them. I don't really support acts of terrorism, but you're not going to make an omelet without cracking a few eggs. As a mage Hawke, I understood where he was coming from. Better than watching templars slowly choke the life out of the city. It's about time someone finally took charge and did something.

[Illyria]

Not only did Cassandra tell the Inquisitor this, but there are a few codex entries that I have read in game that talk about know reversal was possible, but not knowing how to do it. So, it starts to feel like everyone in Thedas except my Lavellan knew it was possible. Nobody tells me nothing!

 

Those codex entries all relate to Asunder which is where some mages do find out about cure, and Cass only found out because she read the book of Seeker lore that is only read by the Lord or Lady Seeker.

[Caddius]

This was similar to my first play through. I was human and decided to romance Blackwall, which completely blinded me to all the clues about him, but by the time we got to the bar scene, I had this weird creepy feeling and didn't go back to the barn with him. Boy was I surprised! And angry, man I was pissed off. It drove my Trev straight into Cullen's arms. But the whole time, I was talking to Solas and finding him fascinating in a scholarly, fade nerd kind of way. I dig nerds, but my first instinct is to go for the scruffy *******, it's a personal flaw.

 

So yeah, after I recovered from the stinger (well, managed to catch my breath at least) I knew I had to play again, romancing Solas, because, holy ****, how did I miss that? And sure enough, if you're paying attention, there are sooo many clues, at least that he's not quite who he says he is. Now there's no going back for me. Team Solas all the way. Funny how I got so pissed at Blackwall for being a lying bastard and with Solas it's just sweet agony and hoping he comes back. I'm pretty sure Bioware put that particular parallel in the game on purpose. I'm convinced they are doing psychological studies on us.

My SO and I were laughing and joking after a romance scene with Bull and were in a pretty optimistic mood. So we decided to pay our good Warden buddy Blackwall a visit.

Since we weren't romancing him, we got the dog-talk.

About ten minutes of horrified silence.

Then a funny scene with Sera.

...Then Revelations.

*sighs*

I do think that being the Dread Wolf and possibly having kicked the keisters of the rest of the pantheon into eternal prisons is a much cooler secret than having led your soldiers in the murder of children for coin, then abandoning them, then pretending to be a dead man who saved you.

[Lorien19]

I think I've accidentally stumbled upon another song that fits Solavellan nicely :3



Suddenly I knew that you'd have to go
My world was not yours, your eyes told me so
Yet it was there I felt the crossroads of time
And I wondered why.

As we cast our gaze on the tumbling sea
A vision came o'er me
Of thundering hooves and beating wings
In clouds above.

As you turned to go I heard you call my name,
You were like a bird in a cage spreading its wings to fly
The old ways are lost, you sang as you flew
And I wondered why.

I always considered this one of my top Lavellan songs,alongside "the voice" by Celtic woman!Plus, I love Loreena Mckenit.

[BoscoBread]

Whenever Solas says 'you'll see', I can't help but wonder if that's implying future comment or straight up breaking the fourth wall. 

Looks into the camera and does a Jim Halpert stare. 

[Yermogi]

Man... I really want to make an elf to romance Solas with, because I really, really like him, but I would feel so bad purposely letting my character's heart get broken. Even if they did make a Wolf Hunt DLC, there's no knowing whether or not that would give her a happy ending. I'm torn here.

[Illyria]

Man... I really want to make an elf to romance Solas with, because I really, really like him, but I would feel so bad purposely letting my character's heart get broken. Even if they did make a Wolf Hunt DLC, there's no knowing whether or not that would give her a happy ending. I'm torn here.

 

Do it.

 

Join us.

[Maria13]

This was similar to my first play through. I was human and decided to romance Blackwall, which completely blinded me to all the clues about him, but by the time we got to the bar scene, I had this weird creepy feeling and didn't go back to the barn with him. Boy was I surprised! And angry, man I was pissed off. It drove my Trev straight into Cullen's arms. But the whole time, I was talking to Solas and finding him fascinating in a scholarly, fade nerd kind of way. I dig nerds, but my first instinct is to go for the scruffy *******, it's a personal flaw.

 

So yeah, after I recovered from the stinger (well, managed to catch my breath at least) I knew I had to play again, romancing Solas, because, holy ****, how did I miss that? And sure enough, if you're paying attention, there are sooo many clues, at least that he's not quite who he says he is. Now there's no going back for me. Team Solas all the way. Funny how I got so pissed at Blackwall for being a lying bastard and with Solas it's just sweet agony and hoping he comes back. I'm pretty sure Bioware put that particular parallel in the game on purpose. I'm convinced they are doing psychological studies on us.

 

Thing is you get the vibe that Solas and Blackwell are lying for very different reasons (hence Solas saying to Blackwall after the reveal "I am nothing like you!"), BW to conceal a sordid past he is ashamed of, Solas to keep his future plans under wraps.

 

Of course Solas's plans might actually be nefarious, either intentionally or unintentionally, but I would make the argument that everything we know about him, and the creators at Bioware have told us we are seeing the real Solas, shows us that his intentions at least are good...

[Yermogi]

But then she'll be left all aloooone with no one to comfort her! Unless I headcanon that she engages in a long series of shallow, physical flings, which I really don't think would help the situation any.

[Maria13]

Man... I really want to make an elf to romance Solas with, because I really, really like him, but I would feel so bad purposely letting my character's heart get broken. Even if they did make a Wolf Hunt DLC, there's no knowing whether or not that would give her a happy ending. I'm torn here.

 

Do it and break up with him before he breaks up with you.  From my POV it's worth it, it's a trip, right to core of the game and the world.

[CapricornSun]

Totally random but I just entered the Crow Fens over at Ghilan'nain's Grove with Cass, Solas, and Sera. (Yes, I'm starting to take Sera around with me more now).

 

When we started walking around the watery parts of the Fen, Sera started complaining about it being cold and muddy. Afterwards she got scared and said that something brushed against her leg, in which Solas suddenly gave this very satisfied (and very sexy) chuckle.  

 

Ugh! Stupid sexy bald elf, making me feel things...

[BoscoBread]

Man... I really want to make an elf to romance Solas with, because I really, really like him, but I would feel so bad purposely letting my character's heart get broken. Even if they did make a Wolf Hunt DLC, there's no knowing whether or not that would give her a happy ending. I'm torn here.

It's well written.  I would definitely recommend it for the impact that the relationship may have on your character's story.  For me, not every relationship has to have a happy ending...yellooo Anders.  Unless they go full BW on his character and just throw what nuance they wrote into it in the trash, then I think we'll see something good with him in the future.  It may be bittersweet, like he self-sacrifices, but the "feels" may be worth it. 

 

Again, it totally depends on how you handle that type of stuff and we have no idea, we may get the fluffiest ending that ever fluffed.  For me, I'm just hoping for a well-written ending with him --even if he dies. And romanced or no.  Though I do hope they do the romance justice instead of just relegating it to a few lines of acknowledgement. 

[Addai]

Totally random but I just entered the Crow Fens over at Ghilan'nain's Grove with Cass, Solas, and Sera. (Yes, I'm starting to take Sera around with me more now).
 
When we started walking around the watery parts of the Fen, Sera started complaining about it being cold and muddy. Afterwards she got scared and said that something brushed against her leg, in which Solas suddenly gave this very satisfied (and very sexy) chuckle.  
 
Ugh! Stupid sexy bald elf, making me feel things...

I love that place. Solas saying "It's quiet here. I like it." and then his little approval bump when you find the Offering to Fen'Harel shrine. Sly bastard. Even though the place is outwardly really creepy and dangerous, heh.

Do it and break up with him before he breaks up with you.  From my POV it's worth it, it's a trip, right to core of the game and the world.

Oh no, I'm going down with this ship. He's worth that, too, compared to the other LI's.

[Avejajed]

Blackwall and Solas are both liars. Regardless of intentions behind, a liar is a liar is a liar.