But then she'll be left all aloooone with no one to comfort her! Unless I headcanon that she engages in a long series of shallow, physical flings, which I really don't think would help the situation any.
She's a strong, independent elf woman who don't need no manwolf!
Seriously though, it is a great romance. Your character is only as heartbroken as you imagine her to be. Mine is mostly just worried. Its clear he still loves her at the end of the game.
Man... I really want to make an elf to romance Solas with, because I really, really like him, but I would feel so bad purposely letting my character's heart get broken. Even if they did make a Wolf Hunt DLC, there's no knowing whether or not that would give her a happy ending. I'm torn here.
Maybe watch videos of the romance first and see if it's something you'd want to do? I think it's valuable to seeing a side of Solas's character that people who don't romance him won't get to see (mostly in the final romance scene) and it adds depth to Solas's story. It doesn't add that much to the Inquisitor's unfortunately. It was very well written and well animated though. A beautiful story, if you can handle the heartbreak.
It's well written. I would definitely recommend it for the impact that the relationship may have on your character's story. For me, not every relationship has to have a happy ending...yellooo Anders. Unless they go full BW on his character and just throw what nuance they wrote into it in the trash, then I think we'll see something good with him in the future. It may be bittersweet, like he self-sacrifices, but the "feels" may be worth it.
Again, it totally depends on how you handle that type of stuff and we have no idea, we may get the fluffiest ending that ever fluffed. For me, I'm just hoping for a well-written ending with him --even if he dies. And romanced or no. Though I do hope they do the romance justice instead of just relegating it to a few lines of acknowledgement.
I'm fairly certain that Patrick Weekes will give him a good end. Even if you don't like Weekes's writing, all you have to do is listen to him talk about the character and it's clear that he cares. Maybe not a happy ending but a good one.
Oh no, I'm going down with this ship. He's worth that, too, compared to the other LI's.
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It hurts then you forgive and finally, at the end, you understand. It's like the road to enlightenment via computer role playing game. Or you decide you are bitter and obsess over Abelas. That helps too. 
Agreed,and Solas is the best liar of the two because he sticks to the truth as often as possible, instead of completely changing it.That makes him far more believable.Blackwall and Solas are both liars. Regardless of intentions behind, a liar is a liar is a liar.
Solas doesn't outright lie most of the time. He just opts not to give all the information. He comes from the Xellos school of misleading party members.
But then she'll be left all aloooone with no one to comfort her! Unless I headcanon that she engages in a long series of shallow, physical flings, which I really don't think would help the situation any.
I've done the romance even though I had entirely spoiled it to myself beforeheand.
10/10 would do it again.
And either way, we have blankets, and I can make you pancakes and scones to comfort you in times of need.
Blackwall and Solas are both liars. Regardless of intentions behind, a liar is a liar is a liar.
I don't mind that they lied. I always look for their motives first, rather than be offended that they lied to me to begin with.
Either way, I pardoned Blackwall because I believe people can change and wanted to bring the best in them, and I'll forgive Solas as well if that option is offered to us.
I'm such a fluffy bear, I can't hate people for very long anyway.
Thanks so much
Also pardon for asking so many questions but how do I get them to wear that armour in cutscenes instead of pajamas and long johns? xD I play pc so it should be possible right?
I didn't take the screens during the cutscenes, I went to visit the crestwood cave where the scene takes place 
But then she'll be left all aloooone with no one to comfort her! Unless I headcanon that she engages in a long series of shallow, physical flings, which I really don't think would help the situation any.
We'll get DLCs! Do eet 
I love that place. Solas saying "It's quiet here. I like it." and then his little approval bump when you find the Offering to Fen'Harel shrine. Sly bastard. Even though the place is outwardly really creepy and dangerous, heh.
Oh no, I'm going down with this ship. He's worth that, too, compared to the other LI's.
Oh yes! Solas said that as I was passing by some burial urns with skulls scattered all around and I was like, "Really, Solas?". 
Also, I'm about to claim Fen'Harel's shrine right now and I've just unlocked the Measuring Veil Strength Operation (finally!).
Solas doesn't outright lie most of the time. He just opts not to give all the information. He comes from the Xellos school of misleading party members.
Doesn't really make it better though. Honestly I'd feel all the more foolish for that.
edit: That said, I personally don't care that someone doesn't tell me everything about themselves.
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Agreed,and Solas is the best liar of the two because he sticks to the truth as often as possible, instead of completely changing it.That makes him far more believable.
And if you want to get technical, it's Solas' lie that does the most damage. Not Blackwall's. I get very irritated when people say what Blackwall did was way worse and Solas' lie doesn't count. People think the sun shines out of his shiny head and I just can't. even.
Blackwall sucks. He killed a family. Children.
Solas got hundreds of people blown up. Maybe left lots of children without parents. Maybe killed lots of children too. Who even knows.
I love Solas or I wouldn't be here but the amount of hand-waving his actions is just...I don't know.
Solas got hundreds of people blown up. Maybe left lots of children without parents. Maybe killed lots of children too. Who even knows.
I love Solas or I wouldn't be here but the amount of hand-waving his actions is just...I don't know.
And if you go down the theory path, he might also be the reason Blights started to begin with, because he locked the old gods away?
Maybe it's a stretch here, but I find it hilarious to pin it all down on him while he just wanna do good things and help people.
Doesn't really make it better though. Honestly I'd feel all the more foolish for that.
edit: That said, I personally don't care that someone doesn't tell me everything about themselves.
I'd say that Corypheus is the one who caused the explosion at the conclave itself,perhaps even the inquisitor with their intervention.And if you want to get technical, it's Solas' lie that does the most damage. Not Blackwall's. I get very irritated when people say what Blackwall did was way worse and Solas' lie doesn't count. People think the sun shines out of his shiny head and I just can't. even.
Blackwall sucks. He killed a family. Children.
Solas got hundreds of people blown up. Maybe left lots of children without parents. Maybe killed lots of children too. Who even knows.
I love Solas or I wouldn't be here but the amount of hand-waving his actions is just...I don't know.
And if you want to get technical, it's Solas' lie that does the most damage. Not Blackwall's. I get very irritated when people say what Blackwall did was way worse and Solas' lie doesn't count. People think the sun shines out of his shiny head and I just can't. even.
The intent behind a lie makes a huge difference in this sort of debate. I think many people view Solas and his deception as for a noble cause, while Blackwall's was selfish. When one hears that children were hurt by his crime, this causes a kneejerk reaction. It was a dirty thing he did, but personal and self-contained to his immediate surroundings. The target, the children, his men. But as you say, the extent of damage caused by Solas might be unfathomable. Temple aside, how much blame should we lay at his feet for what happened to the elven people? His current intent might be noble, but no matter how he lies (whether by omission or directly), he's still lying. This is why we see him so vicious to Blackwall after the reveal, and after apologize. Solas realizes the difference between them is basically technical, too, regardless of scale.
It hurts then you forgive and finally, at the end, you understand. It's like the road to enlightenment via computer role playing game. Or you decide you are bitter and obsess over Abelas. That helps too.
Yes. I see the break up as him protecting Lavellan. There is weird seriously bad **** about to go down and he doesn't want any collaterals...
I'd say that Corypheus is the one who caused the explosion at the conclave itself,perhaps even the inquisitor with their intervention.
And while Solas is also responsible for giving his orb to Corypheus in the first place,the harm wasn't caused directly by his deception.
The same applies for Blackwall as well the fact that he killed those people is a seperate crime from him ursuping warden Blackwall's identity.
Well, it was caused by his miscalculation. If that orb wasn't disturbed, Corypheus would have been unstoppable. Those people had to be sacrificed to correct Solas' miscalculation. I wouldn't call it a sin of his but it was a result of his mistake. Either way its damnable. Its either thousands of people die, or everyone does, all because of one man's mistake. Again.
And if you want to get technical, it's Solas' lie that does the most damage. Not Blackwall's. I get very irritated when people say what Blackwall did was way worse and Solas' lie doesn't count. People think the sun shines out of his shiny head and I just can't. even.
Blackwall sucks. He killed a family. Children.
Solas got hundreds of people blown up. Maybe left lots of children without parents. Maybe killed lots of children too. Who even knows.
I love Solas or I wouldn't be here but the amount of hand-waving his actions is just...I don't know.
Solas didn't cause the explosion and had no way of knowing it would happen in such a public place... Yes, he underestimated Corry and he was somewhat reckless but we don't well know what was at stake and without knowing that we don't have strong grounds on which to pass judgment.
This kind of makes me think about why Fen'harel is called the god of rebellion and why he's so feared.The intent behind a lie makes a huge difference in this sort of debate. I think many people view Solas and his deception as for a noble cause, while Blackwall's was selfish. When one hears that children were hurt by his crime, this causes a kneejerk reaction. It was a dirty thing he did, but personal and self-contained to his immediate surroundings. The target, the children, his men. But as you say, the extent of damage caused by Solas might be unfathomable. Temple aside, how much blame should we lay at his feet for what happened to the elven people? His current intent might be noble, but no matter how he lies (whether by omission or directly), he's still lying. This is why we see him so vicious to Blackwall after the reveal, and after apologize. Solas realizes the difference between them is basically technical, too, regardless of scale.
Well, it was caused by his miscalculation. If that orb wasn't disturbed, Corypheus would have been unstoppable. Those people had to be sacrificed to correct Solas' miscalculation. I wouldn't call it a sin of his but it was a result of his mistake. Either way its damnable. Its either thousands of people die, or everyone does, all because of one man's mistake. Again.
At most Solas is negligent or reckless but arguably that doesn't constitute a crime since he lacked the intent... BW on the other hand knew perfectly well what he was doing and why.
I didn't say that he wasn't responsible in a way,I said that the explosion wasn't directly caused by him or his deception.Besides, he didn't have the intention to cause such disaster in the first place.Well, it was caused by his miscalculation. If that orb wasn't disturbed, Corypheus would have been unstoppable. Those people had to be sacrificed to correct Solas' miscalculation. I wouldn't call it a sin of his but it was a result of his mistake. Either way its damnable. Its either thousands of people die, or everyone does, all because of one man's mistake. Again.
Doesn't really make it better though. Honestly I'd feel all the more foolish for that.
edit: That said, I personally don't care that someone doesn't tell me everything about themselves.
I agree! I just wouldn't exactly classify Solas as a liar. He does try to avoid doing so. It certainly would have been very easy for him to make up a whole elaborate story about who he was and where he came from. It would have ultimately served him better to do so. But he doesn't. He disapproves of lying, and he hates whenever you push him into having to make one.
It really isn't a matter of who was worse. I suppose what I mean is, when making a list of things that are wrong about Solas- I wouldn't put lying as a problem of his. He's got a lot of problems, but I don't think being a liar is really one of them. That's not really what his character flaw is. Recklessly destructive and arrogant. Prideful.
And in regards to hand waving- I absolutely do think he killed people. Probably a ton of people. I might go one step further and say that during Arlathan he might have been an absolutely awful person. Flemeth calls him the Dread Wolf. Unless she's using the title ironically [which, admittedly Flemeth is wont to do], that means the title was earned during Arlathan. Probably for doing something evil.
As far as the conclave goes- we really don't know what was going on there. We don't know how informed or uninformed Solas was. All we know is Flemeth says he gave Corypheus the orb, and he feels guilt over said action. We also know that he was in town before the blast. That suggests to me he knew what was happening and did not intervene...but, ultimately the jury is out on that bit of action.
Someone a while back compared Solas to Paarthurnax. Particularly his quote about whether or not it was better to be born good, or overcome your evil nature through great effort. That is more along the line of how I see Solas.
I didn't say that he wasn't responsible in a way,I said that the explosion wasn't directly caused by him or his deception.Besides, he didn't have the intention to cause such disaster in the first place.
Of course. It's just kind of a moot point to me since because of his actions, the best outcome was that explosion, you know what I mean? It's like, yea he didn't cause it, but it's a good thing it happened or the world would be doomed. Really, saying he caused the explosion is less damning than the alternative.
But like Maria13 said, his crime is recklessness, not malicious intent. That much I'm pretty sure is certain, but people that have screwed up royally have been executed and even charged with treason... In other words, that old phrase about good intentions comes to mind.
Yes. I see the break up as him protecting Lavellan. There is weird seriously bad **** about to go down and he doesn't want any collateral...
Though I'm certain Solas would never hurt anyone intentionally that didn't deserve it, I am also convinced he feels there is a cetain level of acceptable collateral damage. He leaves Lavellan not so much to protect her, but to stay true to himself and his cause. At that scene, he was super close to giving it all up. When he says "I distracted you from your duty. It won't happen again," what he's saying is "You distracted me from my duty. It can't happen again."
From what we've seen of and can determine his actions to have been, he will allow innocents to be hurt if it's for the greater good. This is the prerogative of leaders and generals the world over, a difficult weighing made thousands of times in real life in the course of history. I would expect nothing less from Solas, who clearly was in a similar position of power at some point in life as well.
The intent behind a lie makes a huge difference in this sort of debate. I think many people view Solas and his deception as for a noble cause, while Blackwall's was selfish. When one hears that children were hurt by his crime, this causes a kneejerk reaction. It was a dirty thing he did, but personal and self-contained to his immediate surroundings. The target, the children, his men. But as you say, the extent of damage caused by Solas might be unfathomable. Temple aside, how much blame should we lay at his feet for what happened to the elven people? His current intent might be noble, but no matter how he lies (whether by omission or directly), he's still lying. This is why we see him so vicious to Blackwall after the reveal, and after apologize. Solas realizes the difference between them is basically technical, too, regardless of scale.
That's the thing. We have NO clue what he did and even really why he did it. I tend to be of the mind that he piles an enormous amount of guilt and blame on himself for the incredibly complex issue of the fall of Arthlathan. Much like Anders may in regards to the mage/templar war after he blew up the chantry despite the fact there were other things going on that indicate it was ineveitable. EDIT: That's not excuse whatever badness Solas did or Anders' for that matter.
I do agree with Ave. I think the 'who's worse' comparisons do the writing an injustice. Solas is supposed to find a sort of kinship with Blackwall. They are both grizzled veterans. Both have seen and done a lot of things they regret. Both are trying their best to make up for their past mistakes and both are good people. It's important, I think, that Solas is one of the few people that does seem to forgive Blackwall after the big reveal. I doubt the writers will be that nuanced with it, but I like to think Solas would be more at ease with an Inqusitor that is able to forgive Blackwall as well.
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I agree with the comparison of Paarthurnax and Solas. Regardless of what he's done in the past, it's ancient history. I'm not in the business of hating people for things they've done long ago when it's clear they've changed. Hence, I don't hate Blackwall either despite it all.
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