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[Colonelkillabee]

Gods damnit, people! Stop making regret letting Blackwall swing on my canon playthrough! Am I going to have to do a fourth playthrough, for a proper canon, where I don't let Blackwall die so I can feel less guilty? x)

LOL feel bad. Feel very bad

[Illyria]

Totally random but I just entered the Crow Fens over at Ghilan'nain's Grove with Cass, Solas, and Sera. (Yes, I'm starting to take Sera around with me more now).

 

When we started walking around the watery parts of the Fen, Sera started complaining about it being cold and muddy. Afterwards she got scared and said that something brushed against her leg, in which Solas suddenly gave this very satisfied (and very sexy) chuckle.  

 

Ugh! Stupid sexy bald elf, making me feel things...

 

You should take Solas and Bull around with you.

 

Solas arguing with Bull about the Qun is far sexier than it should be.

[Colonelkillabee]

You should take Solas and Bull around with you.

 

Solas arguing with Bull about the Qun is far sexier than it should be.

Some of you would find him eating a bowl of cereal sexy

 

Though admittedly, I'd love to kiss Cassandra with a milk stache.

[Delphine]

And even without knowing what Solas did exactly, we do know he lied to Lavellan even if he loved her and dumped her just before the final confrontation with Corypheus. He may have thought it was the best for her, but he was selfish and lied nonetheless.

 

I was mostly pissed not because he lied, but because he made a decision for the both of them, WITHOUT telling her the real reason why. It felt very patronizing, in a "I know better than you, and if you knew the truth, you'd have condemned me anyway" kind of way. Or... maybe not? Maybe I'd have forgiven you but how can you even know if you DON'T EVEN TRY. I was legit p*ssed at that scene.

 

This whole "I know better than you" irked me so much. Lavellan knows he isn't telling everything, Lavellan knows there's so much he's not saying, and she thought she'd have earned his trust by now, but he just shuts down, makes her pissed, makes her want to shake him up like a piñata until he tells all the truth.

 

He's condemning himself in advance, and he's so trapped in his own guilt that he doesn't even conceive why anyone would see things from an other angle than he does. Because he also thinks he's the most clever sh*t in town, so of course his own angle is the best.

 

Don't make decisions without me, you stupid stubborn proud elf.

 

Solas can be pretty hypocritical at times, yes, it's one of his flaws. I'd agree with Addai that he reacts badly to things that hit too close to home.

 

He definitely can be, yeah. Killing the templars that bound his spirit friend, but asking of Cole that he forgives the templar that killed him? Solas, plz.

I wished my Lavellan had the option to throw that to his face in a convo, because he needs balance, and he needs to realize that in order to not be that hypocritical/be a better person.

[Lorien19]

You should take Solas and Bull around with you.

Solas arguing with Bull about the Qun is far sexier than it should be.

Seconded!

[Illyria]

I love that place. Solas saying "It's quiet here. I like it." and then his little approval bump when you find the Offering to Fen'Harel shrine. Sly bastard. Even though the place is outwardly really creepy and dangerous, heh.

Oh no, I'm going down with this ship. He's worth that, too, compared to the other LI's.

 

I am pretty sure that approval is for the artifact, not the Shrine.  I went and tested it myself and didn't get any approval for the shrine, but did get a 'slightly approves' for the artifact that took a good few seconds to come through.

[Addai]

Solas (MJ, the thread starter) has a really good theory out there about Solas dissociating from the trauma of waking up to a world that's so very different. He's not seeing any of it as real. I'm not sure how much I believe it but it's an absolutely fascinating take and would explain why in the Cole banter a romanced Lavellan is called real.

I would agree with this but add that in Solas' neighborhood, this isn't dysfunction, it's the normal mode of being. Cole says he's "in both places" and (extrapolating but it seems to be the case) the elvhen are used to seeing things in both their physical manifestation and in their spiritual/ Fade essence. It's the separation that seems unnatural. I think this is why he's able to let his guard down with Cole and Lavellan.

[Armdin]

Some of you would find him eating a bowl of cereal sexy

 

Though admittedly, I'd love to kiss Cassandra with a milk stache.

 

I'm sure you would ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[Avejajed]

Say one little thing about Solas being a lying liar who lies and the thread takes off!

I love Solas, but his intentions are unclear. No matter how much we hope they are noble we have absolutely no idea because he didn't bother telling us.

We can argue intent and feelings and righteous causes all day but it's all semantics anyway because we can no more prove he's being noble as we can disprove he's being noble.

We have no idea about what he's done or has not done in the past because all we know is what our superior meta knowledge tells us. (Which is basically not a damn thing)

For all we know Solas could be a total sociopath.

Is it likely? No, probably not. But you can't prove he's not any more than I can prove he is.

[Vorathrad]

I was mostly pissed not because he lied, but because he made a decision for the both of them, WITHOUT telling her the real reason why. It felt very patronizing, in a "I know better than you, and if you knew the truth, you'd have condemned me anyway" kind of way. Or... maybe not? Maybe I'd have forgiven you but how can you even know if you DON'T EVEN TRY. I was legit p*ssed at that scene.
 
This whole "I know better than you" irked me so much. Lavellan knows he isn't telling everything, Lavellan knows there's so much he's not saying, and she thought she'd have earned his trust by now, but he just shuts down, makes her pissed, makes her want to shake him up like a piñata until he tells all the truth.
 
He's condemning himself in advance, and he's so trapped in his own guilt that he doesn't even conceive why anyone would see things from an other angle than he does. Because he also thinks he's the most clever sh*t in town, so of course his own angle is the best.
 
Don't make decisions without me, you stupid stubborn proud elf.

But I was also pissed that he lied

[Maria13]

I was mostly pissed not because he lied, but because he made a decision for the both of them, WITHOUT telling her the real reason why. It felt very patronizing, in a "I know better than you, and if you knew the truth, you'd have condemned me anyway" kind of way. Or... maybe not? Maybe I'd have forgiven you but how can you even know if you DON'T EVEN TRY. I was legit p*ssed at that scene.

 

This whole "I know better than you" irked me so much. Lavellan knows he isn't telling everything, Lavellan knows there's so much he's not saying, and she thought she'd have earned his trust by now, but he just shuts down, makes her pissed, makes her want to shake him up like a piñata until he tells all the truth.

 

He's condemning himself in advance, and he's so trapped in his own guilt that he doesn't even conceive why anyone would see things from an other angle than he does. Because he also thinks he's the most clever sh*t in town, so of course his own angle is the best.

 

Don't make decisions without me, you stupid stubborn proud elf.

 

But potentially, if he sat Inky down and went through the whole explanation with her he would likewise be exposing her to danger.

 

At the end of the day, he's some kind of deity thousands of years old and she is a Dalish mortal, so quite conceivably, he does know better than she does...

 

But I understand your anger.

[Avejajed]

But potentially, if he sat Inky down and went through the whole explanation with her he would likewise be exposing her to danger.

At the end of the day, he's some kind of deity thousands of years old and she is a Dalish mortal, so quite conceivably, he does know better than she does...

But I understand your anger.

Because she was super safe before?

[Mims]

 He definitely can be, yeah. Killing the templars that bound his spirit friend, but asking of Cole that he forgives the templar that killed him? Solas, plz.

I wished my Lavellan had the option to throw it that to his face in a convo, because he needs balance, and he needs to realize that in order to not be that hypocritical/be a better person.

 

He says that spirits should be able to forgive, not mortals. This is part of the reason why I do not really think Solas is some sort of greater spirit/lifeform. He's holding Cole to a higher standard. 

 

Still a hypocrite! But his suggestion of Cole is more based on what he believes a spirit should be like than what he thinks everyone should be like. Solas tends to veer towards idealism when it comes to how races should be. He would like Sera to be a proper elf, he'd like Varric to follow the stone. He'd like Bull to be free.

 

He doesn't entirely understand that the default ideal of a person is not necessarily how they should be. 

[nikki-tikki]

 

He definitely can be, yeah. Killing the templars that bound his spirit friend, but asking of Cole that he forgives the templar that killed him? Solas, plz.

I wished my Lavellan had the option to throw that to his face in a convo, because he needs balance, and he needs to realize that in order to not be that hypocritical/be a better person.

 

The difference between Cole and Solas is that Cole is a spirit...anything that could distract him from his purpose could change him, which is not something that Solas would want for any pure spirit, which is why when making Cole more of a spirit he has to forgive the templar. 

[Addai]

For all we know Solas could be a total sociopath.

Is it likely? No, probably not. But you can't prove he's not any more than I can prove he is.

We can say more than that. His writer has told us that his motives aren't selfish or evil-for-the-lulz. Unless you want to get into the whole death of the author thing, and I don't go for that stuff.

[CapricornSun]

Hm... Guess I've gotta make some armor for Sera, 'cuz that girl is going to the Emerald Graves with me. >:]

 

Is the getting scared bit a part of a dialogue chain, do you know? Or was it  triggered from being somewhere in particular (like Solas/Cole banter about wolves by being near the wolf area)? I hope I make sense. ;_;

 

I should probably start taking Sera with me anyway, I really think I'll be getting the crisis dialogue with her soon. Mage-Ilaria and Sera reeeaallly don't get along. >_<

 

It's in the Exhalted Plains btw. 

 

I think it's triggered when you enter the Crow Fens. Maybe when you start wading around in the water? (That's when the dialogue started for me anyway.)

 

I'll admit though, the reason why I started taking Sera along was because I wanted her banter regarding Lavellan's and Solas' romance to trigger. So far that hasn't happened yet. 

 

I've done 3 playthroughs and I've never heard him say that, or got the approval bump for claiming Fen'Harel's shrine. D: Maybe I;m already maxed out on approval with him at that point, Solas is so easy to gain approval with. x)

 

I didn't get the approval bump for Fen'Harel's shrine this time. I must've already maxed out on the approval too. 

[Vorathrad]

At the end of the day, he's some kind of deity thousands of years old and she is a Dalish mortal, so quite conceivably, he does know better than she does..

A thousands of years old god that hasn't yet learned the dangers of pride and thinking one always knows best. Perhaps he needs a humbling lesson from a mortal

[Avejajed]

We can say more than that. His writer has told us that his motives aren't selfish or evil-for-the-lulz. Unless you want to get into the whole death of the author thing, and I don't go for that stuff.

His motives in dumping us.

I don't think Weekes has come out and said anything except that Solas is willing to do some questionable things for what he wants. HE may think his intentions are honorable but that doesn't mean he's going to use honorable means to achieve them.

[Delphine]

But potentially, if he sat Inky down and went through the whole explanation with her he would likewise be exposing her to danger.

 

At the end of the day, he's some kind of deity thousands of years old and she is a Dalish mortal, so quite conceivably, he does know better than she does...

 

But I understand your anger.

 

If he DID know better, he wouldn't have made so many stupid mistakes. My inquisitor wouldn't have let him.

I think Solas is trapped in thinking he's the most clever stuff around and that no one would understand him, but he's also bringing this upon himself, by not opening up when the opportunity to finally do is offered on a silver plater.

 

During my playthrough, my Inquisitor has been nothing but curious, calm, forgiving, kind, never quick to judge anyone, always willing to give second chances, always willing to understand people's motives, ways of thinking, and backgrounds, despite the hurt they might have done to her, and possessing a huge thirst for knowledge.

 

I just wished global decisions and actions as an Inquisitor during the entire playthrough would have mattered more in the Solas x Lavellan romance, especially in the "big reveal" scene.

[Maria13]

Because she was super safe before?

 

Obviously no, she definitely isn't safe as head of the inquisition, that can wrong in all sorts of ways, but one thing is the dangers of mortals quite another is meddling in the affairs of gods...

[CapricornSun]

You should take Solas and Bull around with you.

 

Solas arguing with Bull about the Qun is far sexier than it should be.

 

I would, but Bull keeps dying on me.  *sigh* I guess I should have spec'd Bull as a S&S warrior instead.

[Illyria]

I have to say first off that I really love the Solas romance. But! After Blackwall's revelation there was a comment from Solas that made me very angry at him. He chastises Blackwall about pretending to be someone else. Perhaps, I don't quite understand but Solas is pretending too. I mean Solas isn't Solas. Blackwall killed for gold yes and that was horrible and deliberate. But would not it have been noble for Solas to admit to his mistake even if it was just to the Inquisitor? I know he doesn't always tell everything and I know he has bigger plans but he is cleverly lying. I don't know... I just kept thinking who is Solas to judge Blackwall considering how many people died because of his blunder. I still really like Solas and I love the romance but the elf has issues LOL.

 

There is a difference: Solas is Solas.  He never pretends to be a Grey Warden or takes credit for another man's actions.  He doesn't put them at risk by claiming to have information on subjects he knows nothing about. Elves giving themselves new names does seem to be an ancient elf thing (since he tells Abelas that he hopes he finds a new name) so him not saying 'sup, guys.  Dread Wolf here' isn't a case of lying.

 

Solas also suffers from a lot of self hatred.  A lot of what he says to Blackwall can also be seen as Solas saying it to himself, Blackwall just happens to be someone who has done something wrong that Solas can yell at and vent a lot what he feels about himself at.

[nikki-tikki]

I would, but Bull keeps dying on me.  *sigh* I guess I should have spec'd Bull as a S&S warrior instead.

 

Just wait till he gets most of his specialization abilities. He becomes quite the tank after. 

[Lorien19]

Say one little thing about Solas being a lying liar who lies and the thread takes off!

I love Solas, but his intentions are unclear. No matter how much we hope they are noble we have absolutely no idea because he didn't bother telling us.

We can argue intent and feelings and righteous causes all day but it's all semantics anyway because we can no more prove he's being noble as we can disprove he's being noble.

We have no idea about what he's done or has not done in the past because all we know is what our superior meta knowledge tells us. (Which is basically not a damn thing)

For all we know Solas could be a total sociopath.

Is it likely? No, probably not. But you can't prove he's not any more than I can prove he is.

*Sherlock voice* A highly functioning sociopath.
I personally find it really fascinating,that each poster in this thread tries to analyse his flaws and motives rather than bother defending them.
We all know that he's flawed and that his actions are rather controversial,and we all have an explanation as for why and how,according to how each of us perceive it.Accurate or not,this is why friendly debates exist in the first place.
This plays a role in why a large part of this thread consists of sophisticated character analysis and discussions and people from the outside who aren't necessarily invested in his character,blend in here easily.

[Colonelkillabee]

I would, but Bull keeps dying on me.  *sigh* I guess I should have spec'd Bull as a S&S warrior instead.

Give him bulls charge, warcry, and unbowed, and he'll be just fine until you get some fade touched obsidian for him. Just watch him and make sure his guard stays up.