AHHH. That makes me so sad. You know my feelings on this! I'm going to cry now for Dorian.
That was for the altruistic sacrifice ending feels!
But apparently I'm taking a page out of the book of Solas, because I just broke both our hearts.
Poor, poor googly!Dorian.
(Ugh! My laptop is starting to slow down on me...)
Just wait till he gets most of his specialization abilities. He becomes quite the tank after.
Okay! I'll try giving Bull another chance. 
Give him bulls charge, warcry, and unbowed, and he'll be just fine until you get some fade touched obsidian for him. Just watch him and make sure his guard stays up.
Thanks! Will take your advice. 
EDIT: ToP Solas.
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*sigh* 
Heh, I listen to lots of stuff. Rap/Hip Hop, hence my name "Killabee" from Wutang, Rock/Metal/Hard Rock, etc etc etc, Country, folk, folk metal and so on.
So this is the moment when we learn that you basically don't have any taste in music?
*puts down the recording device and backs away*
Nope. Not listening. Don't worry. Continue your discussion.
And as I just said we completely agree on and/or support the most prevalent and/or minor theories on the subject, also accepting all different points of view, and do not allow anybody to question and/or criticize the motifs and/or intentions and/or considerations of the writers and/or developers.
But then she'll be left all aloooone with no one to comfort her! Unless I headcanon that she engages in a long series of shallow, physical flings, which I really don't think would help the situation any.
The Bull will always be a strong shoulder to lean on, I am sure.
Solas doesn't outright lie most of the time. He just opts not to give all the information. He comes from the Xellos school of misleading party members.
I have my doubts. If I simply did not tell my boyfriend that I'm seeing someone else, too, I am not sure he would agree that I'm "not lying". And, in a way, Solas does lie explicitly when he refers to the ancient gods as "they" instead of "we". He excepts himself from the pantheon by doing so, which is a lie after all.
So this is the moment when we learn that you basically don't have any taste in music?
I suppose taste would require someone to like something specific, whereas I like a little of everything.
I'm musically promiscuous.
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Okay.... I was under the impression according to what Solas says that he isn't a god. He says that perhaps the elven gods were some other beings that have yet been encountered but he makes the point that they weren't gods.
Also, perhaps his leaving without providing answers will actually place all of the inquisition in more danger. I don't see Lavellan giving up on looking for him. What if they accidentally interfere with his plans? I really think by not telling her the truth he is potentially endangering her more. I think what he did wasn't to protect Lavellan but to protect his plan. Weekes said in an interview that Solas stops kissing her at that crucial moment because he is about to lose himself and his cause. So he chose his cause instead of her and instead of telling her the truth like he had intended to do at that point, he makes something else up and then protects himself.
All this talk of Solas' deception, and his inability to grasp time because of being immortal (and his misguided attempts to do it all, alone) makes me wonder what in his perspective would change if for some reason he became mortal. Without the advantage of eternity, how would he react and what would change? I personally think it might give him a well-needed dose of reality. Maybe he'd finally be able to stop living in the past and try to reconstruct his life in the present.
Damn idealist, fatalistic, romantic nerd *grumbles*
Say one little thing about Solas being a lying liar who lies and the thread takes off!
I love Solas, but his intentions are unclear. No matter how much we hope they are noble we have absolutely no idea because he didn't bother telling us.
We can argue intent and feelings and righteous causes all day but it's all semantics anyway because we can no more prove he's being noble as we can disprove he's being noble.
We have no idea about what he's done or has not done in the past because all we know is what our superior meta knowledge tells us. (Which is basically not a damn thing)
For all we know Solas could be a total sociopath.
Is it likely? No, probably not. But you can't prove he's not any more than I can prove he is.
How can I be out of likes?! I LOVE this conversation and hearing everyone's take on Solas' motivations and actions. I've never felt so torn about a character before. I need closure, no matter what it brings.
What would your fear demons look like? Mine would be either giant cockroaches that could fly, or maggots like Cassandra. Hate those things.
Mine or my Inquisitors?
Mine, probably a horde of insects. My worst nightmares usually every insect or buggy creature you can imagine crawling everywhere; floor, ceiling, walls. Never on me, but close enough that I can almost feel and taste them. Urgh!
My Inquisitor's is wolves. I mentioned this headcanon earlier for another playthrough, but decided to incorporate it into my canon playthrough. I'll describe it in greater detail below, but I'll spoil in case no one's particularly interested.
(Ugh! My laptop is starting to slow down on me...)
Okay! I'll try giving Bull another chance.
I found that Bull worked well on my rogue PC, because she could take out dangerous single targets while he could handle the mobs. And I do give him everything that builds up his guard, then personally I avoid the specialization talents that eat his health. I'm rolling a female Qunari rogue right now with this in mind, though I'll have to handwave all the sub/dom stuff and pretend he's kidding about that and they just both like it rough. Two Qunari having rough sex must really test the magic in that Skyhold masonry, lol.
There's no reason why he's not some random elf from a small village who is also the Dread Wolf. I don't think he lied about anything, he just didn't tell the entire story.
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Alistair is king in my world state. I always get Stroud.
And as I just said we completely agree on and/or support the most prevalent and/or minor theories on the subject, also accepting all different points of view, and do not allow anybody to question and/or criticize the motifs and/or intentions and/or considerations of the writers and/or developers.
Urgh, why've I gotta be out of likes?! This made me laugh out loud. xD
I don't know if he necessarily needs to become mortal to reach acceptance. Just learn that eventually, things do end. If he cares so much about the people, he needs to realize that they aren't experiencing life as he does.
I get the feeling that Solas has probably always ostracized himself, even back in Arlathan. He was the outsider looking in, viewing problems from his own 'free' perspective. He was the rebel of the pantheon, the one above the rules. The other gods fell victim to vanity and excess. Solas might have come out the better for his detachment, but he still has some of the same 'disjointed' failings the other gods did.
Which is why it would be easy to think of people in ideals. It is a quick, easy shorthand for actually knowing people. He does care, but its not a mortal level of caring. Not yet. Solas could be an incredible ally if he stopped living on the outside, and making decisions in that bubble.
What would your fear demons look like? Mine would be either giant cockroaches that could fly, or maggots like Cassandra. Hate those things.
Mine - Bugs. Giant centipedes or milipedes or spiders. But also probably something to do with failing school. Like it would be a professor that was like 'oh hey today's the last day of class, we have an exam and you haven't attended any of the classes this semester.' So if it wa slike a giant centipede professor.
All this talk of Solas' deception, and his inability to grasp time because of being immortal (and his misguided attempts to do it all, alone) makes me wonder what in his perspective would change if for some reason he became mortal. Without the advantage of eternity, how would he react and what would change? I personally think it might give him a well-needed dose of reality. Maybe he'd finally be able to stop living in the past and try to reconstruct his life in the present.
This is the heart of why many of us have a difficult time pinning down a happy ending for Solas. How do you give him a happy ending?
What would mortality entail, other than the shortening of his life span? Would it disconnect him from the Fade and his dreaming? What if his magical ability is diminished or completely cut off? These possibilities aside, I still don't believe Solas can find unmitigated happiness in the present. Not right now. If forced to give up his crusade as things stand, it would devour him from the inside out. He would come to resent, and deeply.
The Solas of right now may understand Varric's tale of the fisherman and the fermented fruit juice. But he doesn't accept it. God or no, the rebellion, the need to fight for change...that's very much alive in him.
Mine or my Inquisitors?
Mine, probably a horde of insects. My worst nightmares usually every insect or buggy creature you can imagine crawling everywhere; floor, ceiling, walls. Never on me, but close enough that I can almost feel and taste them. Urgh!
My Inquisitor's is wolves. I mentioned this headcanon earlier for another playthrough, but decided to incorporate it into my canon playthrough. I'll describe it in greater detail below, but I'll spoil in case no one's particularly interested.
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Ew, lol. Yea thats a good fear alright. And I meant you but both is fine of course. For my Quizzy....
Probably abomination forms of his elven lover before the conclave. She's not dead or an abomination, but has good reason to fear that happening to her.
Alistair is king in my world state. I always get Stroud.
Lucky.
Alistair was the king (and Surana his mistress) in my canon worldstate but I actually changed it for DAI in the Keep. Oh, how I laughed when I realised I'd have to choose between him and my canon Hawke 
Mine - Bugs. Giant centipedes or milipedes or spiders. But also probably something to do with failing school. Like it would be a professor that was like 'oh hey today's the last day of class, we have an exam and you haven't attended any of the classes this semester.' So if it wa slike a giant centipede professor.
LOL you're like Bill and Ted when they went to hell 
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This is the downfall of the idealist, and why revolutions seem to have so few palatable and successful examples. We can link this idealism back to the reality disconnect discussed in MJ's theory, albeit loosely. One can imagine a perfect world, a perfect society, a perfect future, but once you set the machine in motion there's no way of telling where it will go... for better, or worse. This is one thing that Solas has never learned, as your example illustrates. I think it's fascinating (and sad) he continues to believe in the perfect ideal for all things, even though he isn't perfect and it isn't clear which direction is the right one. He hasn't accepted that reality cannot be controlled and perhaps it shouldn't be.
This is evidenced in the conversation between the Inquisitor and Solas about the power of the Well of Sorrows.
If you choose:
Inky: I'll make the world better.
Solas: What if it isn't? What if you wake up to find that the future you shaped is worse than what was?
Inky: I'll keep trying.
Solas: Just like that?
Inky: If we don't keep trying, we'll never get it right.
This conversation is clearly more about Solas than the Inquisitor and the expression on his face when you say "If we don't keep trying, we'll never get it right." is soooo him thinking "Yes, she gets me!" and "That's totally what I would do!" all rolled into one. Gah, that grin.
Edit: For me, this conversation is what makes him think he can tell her everything and also what ultimately makes him decide she's better off without him, because he's definitely carrying around a bit of self loathing.
What would your fear demons look like? Mine would be either giant cockroaches that could fly, or maggots like Cassandra. Hate those things.
That would be mine as well. I'm terrified of cockroaches! The flying ones are the worst! I encountered one a few weeks ago that landed on my computer desk, of all things. *shudders*
Either that or zombies. (Don't ask...)
I found that Bull worked well on my rogue PC, because she could take out dangerous single targets while he could handle the mobs. And I do give him everything that builds up his guard, then personally I avoid the specialization talents that eat his health. I'm rolling a female Qunari rogue right now with this in mind, though I'll have to handwave all the sub/dom stuff and pretend he's kidding about that and they just both like it rough. Two Qunari having rough sex must really test the magic in that Skyhold masonry, lol.
Thanks for you advice as well. I'll need all the help when it comes to Bull. xD
Also, you're making me want to roll a female Qunari for an Iron Bull romance now.
LOL you're like Bill and Ted when they went to hell
I love those movies too much. They're just so...excellent.
Awww she's so cute 
Eherm, uh, I mean... bae, lookin good, or whatever.
His major flaw(IMO) is he isn't relating reality to what he is doing.
I find it hard to call that a flaw. Fact is, if you must take care of a whole world, as in his case, you may not consider individuals. Whatever you do, it will always be bad for somebody. You will have to make harsh decisions and a single life may not count as much as many. Or, as it is here, even a few hundred lives may not count as much as the fate of the world. Whatever he is planing to do, if it will affect as much as we assume, he has to be distant and play chess.
For all we know Solas could be a total sociopath.
The way he starts out with "You mean to much to me, you are so beautiful" and instantly switches to "farewell, was nice with you" I might be inclined to believe just that.
I hate applying real life examples to video games because it's stupid, but let's pretend it's not.
Let's say I've got a boyfriend. He's terrific. Sweet, kind, loving. Let's name him...Sam. Sam says he's from a small town outside Houston. He's got a great job. Loves his parents. Has a dog and likes to jog.
Sam and I are together awhile. A year, maybe two. Then one night he decides to tell us he's reformed high profile mobster. He spent much of his life in the high powered world of the mafia. He didn't tell me because he didn't want me to get hurt.
Everything else Sam told me was true. He was from that small town he did have a great job, he really was kind and loving.
Did Sam lie to me? Not according to some people on this thread. But if this had actually happened I would seriously be examining my entire relationship. How can you truly love someone you don't know anything about? How can you say you know someone when the biggest part of who they are remains hidden?
Just quoting this because it's so beautiful.
Oh, and do you happen to still have Sam's number by any chance?
Either that or zombies. (Don't ask...)
Yeah.... 
My ideal happy ending for Solas would be one where the book is closed.
Either he dies, but does so with the understanding that the sacrifices were worth it and that his existence hasn't just been an encumbrance for all those around him. Or, the book closes and another opens- he takes a Flemeth approach. You plant some roots, you allow yourself to care about things, and you do what you can to help. You don't hellspiral out of control when you fail.
The difference between becoming Mordin or Gandalf, essentially.
I think he rejects the notion of godhood because of the trappings that come with that word- being worshipped, having minions, forcing your will on others even if it's for their own good (which he still does, but he complains about having to do it, lol).Okay.... I was under the impression according to what Solas says that he isn't a god. He says that perhaps the elven gods were some other beings that have yet been encountered but he makes the point that they weren't gods.
Also, perhaps his leaving without providing answers will actually place all of the inquisition in more danger. I don't see Lavellan giving up on looking for him. What if they accidentally interfere with his plans? I really think by not telling her the truth he is potentially endangering her more. I think what he did wasn't to protect Lavellan but to protect his plan. Weekes said in an interview that Solas stops kissing her at that crucial moment because he is about to lose himself and his cause. So he chose his cause instead of her and instead of telling her the truth like he had intended to do at that point, he makes something else up and then protects himself.
Cassandra: Solas, if you do not mind me asking, what do you believe in?
Solas: Cause and effect. Wisdom as its own reward, and the inherent right of all free willed people to exist.
Cassandra: That is not what I meant.
Solas: I know. I believe the elven gods existed, as did the old gods of Tevinter. But I do not think any of them were gods, unless you expand the definition of the word to the point of absurdity. I appreciate the idea of your Maker, a god that does not need to prove his power. I wish more such gods felt the same.
Cassandra: You have seen much sadness in your journeys, Solas. Following the Maker might offer some hope.
Solas: I have people, Seeker. The greatest triumphs and tragedies this world has known can all be traced to people.
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