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[Avejajed]

But I was also pissed that he lied

 

I see this gif all the time and I have to wonder if anyone who uses it even knows who it is or where it's from? lol

[Sable Rhapsody]

I don't think he's as blameless and pure as the rose-colored glasses of this thread make him out to be.

 

"It's more complicated than that," to paraphrase Solas.  Though I don't think he ever said those exact words in-game, just in the character profile.

 

 

Fallow Mire's not so bad, the zombies here aren't scary. This is all making me want to play Left 4 Dead again. Or deadspace multiplayer. I was such a dick on left 4 dead, I loved tricking people into trusting me, then abandoning them at the most inopportune time so I could escape   I am Sean from Walking Dead basically.

 

Note to self: never play MP with killabee 

 

I'm running out of new images for TOP, so have a classic Aimo one:

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source: http://aimo.deviantart.com/

[AutumnOracle]

Wait....I missed something. Liz got chased off? I skip through some posts because I had no hope of catching up. I thought the Sola's thread was a safe place for feels and disagreements that resolved amicably.

[laurelinvanyar]

You should play dead space

 

Fallow Mire's not so bad, the zombies here aren't scary. This is all making me want to play Left 4 Dead again. Or deadspace multiplayer. I was such a dick on left 4 dead, I loved tricking people into trusting me, then abandoning them at the most inopportune time so I could escape   I am Sean from Walking Dead basically.

I watched my bf play deadspace and by 'watched' I mean 'covered my eyes while he laughed at me'. The Last of Us actually gave me nightmares. 

 

Fallow Mire would have been ok, but then Solas says "Be wary, there are things watching us in the water" or somesuch and I was like "F***cking GREAT!!!!"

Thanks a lot, Solas. :/

[Delphine]

You should play dead space

 

Fallow Mire's not so bad, the zombies here aren't scary. This is all making me want to play Left 4 Dead again. Or deadspace multiplayer. I was such a dick on left 4 dead, I loved tricking people into trusting me, then abandoning them at the most inopportune time so I could escape   I am Sean from Walking Dead basically.

 

L4D is so awesome, now I wanna play it again as well. Shooting them zombies is such a relaxing thing to do after a stressing day.

 

I see this gif all the time and I have to wonder if anyone who uses it even knows who it is or where it's from? lol

 

Citizen Kane. And it's Orson Welles.

[Colonelkillabee]

"It's more complicated than that," to paraphrase Solas.  Though I don't think he ever said those exact words in-game, just in the character profile.

 

 

 

Note to self: never play MP with killabee 

That's probably best. I am a big dick to my friends on multiplayer, except to my one buddy who left to new york. Usually.

 

Here's my failed attempt to kill him on Halo:

 

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[laurelinvanyar]

Wait....I missed something. Liz got chased off? I skip through some posts because I had no hope of catching up. I thought the Sola's thread was a safe place for feels and disagreements that resolved amicably.

Nah, she's still posting here. But she did take a lot of crap from people. Haters gonna hate?

[Avejajed]

L4D is so awesome, now I wanna play it again as well. Shooting them zombie is such a relaxing thing to do after a stressing day.

 

 

Citizen Kane.

 

Well I mean I knew where it was from, but I didn't think many others did.+10

[coldwetn0se]

I wish Cole would comment on the Solavellan romance *before* they've broken up.  Kind of like the stuff he says about Iron Bull and quizzy.  Hmm...
 
From Solas's perspective: We shouldn't.  But her lips are warm and sweet and a few tendrils of her hair tickle his face.  She's too real even here, and when she pulls back, hesitant and wondering, it suddenly isn't enough.  We shouldn't, but he can't hear the warning, drowned out in this moment of "I want."
 
From Lavellan's perspective: She knows it was a dream, but she feels the weight of his body, the taste of his lips. There's sunlight and wind and color, bursting from him into her. Wake up, he whispers, but she doesn't want to. Not now, not so soon. Is this what it's like for him too?

Dammit! Outta LIKES!

Have a creepy, yet oddly sexy Q. ( Did I type that out loud? )

[Colonelkillabee]

I watched my bf play deadspace and by 'watched' I mean 'covered my eyes while he laughed at me'. The Last of Us actually gave me nightmares. 

 

Fallow Mire would have been ok, but then Solas says "Be wary, there are things watching us in the water" or somesuch and I was like "F***cking GREAT!!!!"

Thanks a lot, Solas. :/

Ah yea that was creepy... like even if they're not disturbed, they're still watching everything you do.... Makes you wonder about Thedas' waters, or really spirits in general with their eyes on you.

 

Deadspace was the ****. I might play that today now. Scary as hell, but dat adrenaline.

[AutumnOracle]

Nah, she's still posting here. But she did take a lot of crap from people. Haters gonna hate?

Good . I would miss her!

[Delphine]

Well I mean I knew where it was from, but I didn't think many others did.+10

 

I loved this movie. Discovered it thanks to film studies, as well as many other classics.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ah yea that was creepy... like even if they're not disturbed, they're still watching everything you do.... Makes you wonder about Thedas' waters, or really spirits in general with their eyes on you.

 

[Vorathrad]

I see this gif all the time and I have to wonder if anyone who uses it even knows who it is or where it's from? lol

Already ninja'd by Delphine but yes I know, I watched Citizen Kane long before I started using gifs.

[Illyria]

Finally everyone can pat his bald head.
http://nexusmods.com...sition/mods/381

 

Hmmm...

 

I can see the romance working with a male!Lavellan (not generally happy with mods that alter characters too much, but it wouldn't change too much about his romance other than than Sera's dialouge making no sense) but I really can't see it working with non-elves.

 

Plus, clipping.

 

Oh Creators, the clipping.

[BoscoBread]

Ah yea that was creepy... like even if they're not disturbed, they're still watching everything you do.... Makes you wonder about Thedas' waters, or really spirits in general with their eyes on you.

 

Deadspace was the ****. I might play that today now. Scary as hell, but dat adrenaline.

OG or 2 or 3(grrrr)?   Ok wait, I liked 3's rusty space belt but then when you are down on the planet...zzzzzz.  OG was TERRIFYING. So claustrophobic. 

[_Lucinia]

DA:O really blew me away when I first played it. I was sad that DA2 didn't do the same for me. And it looks like we share the same sentiments for DA2. I mean, yeah I did have my fun with that game, but overall I was kind of disappointed with it. I also did not feel attached to my DA2 companions the way I did with the DA:O companions and I kept wishing that I had my old crew back. (It didn't help that I wanted to punch half of my DA2 companions.)

On Solas/Lavellan, honestly, they're almost up there with my Alistair/Mahariel romance. I just need to know how Bioware will handle their romance in future games.

 

Sorry for bringing this back up again and being off topic.  Catching up on the thread and I just wanted to share my 2 cents.

 

The first time that I played DA2 I was so angry.  "This game is so stupid.  It's nothing like Origins.  Where's the darkspawn?  Where are my companions?  These guys aren't Shale, Morrigan and Alistair.  I hate this."  The undercurrent of what the actual conflict was initially went right over my head.  I thought the Qunari and the Arishok were the big bads.  Because I was too focused on it not being DA:O 2.  Act 2 ended and I was livid.  "WHAT IN THE HELL?  Now where is this story going?  The bad guys are delt with?  Wtf I really hate this game."  Then I finished the game.  "Oh.  Man I am an idiot.  I need to replay this game and actually give it a chance this time."  I have replayed DA2 twice as many times as DA:O. 

 

I hated the game because I was close-minded and just wanted it to be Origins Part 2, and was totally unfair.  I will say though that I absolutely loved Hawke.  She was so snarky and sarcastic, she resonated with me.  I get myself in trouble all the time because of how sarcastic I am.  A couple years ago my fiance made a bet with me that I couldn't go 2 minutes without being sarcastic, and like a fool I took that bet.  Sarcasm is like breathing for me.  I went 20 seconds.  And I didn't even realize I had done it.  Yep he still teases me about it. 

I'm with you Cap, Lavellan/Solas is tied with Alistair/Warden.

[Avejajed]

Already ninja'd by Delphine but yes I know, I watched Citizen Kane long before I started using gifs.

 

Classic movies make the best gifs.

 

[Sister Squish]

Dammit! Outta LIKES!

Have a creepy, yet oddly sexy Q. ( Did I type that out loud? )

 

omg you too 

 

[Sable Rhapsody]

I'm with you Cap, Lavellan/Solas is tied with Alistair/Warden.

 

I'm still wavering between the two.  I love Alistair and my Warden to bits.  But at this point, my crazy fangirl brain is saying, "But they had a good decade together!  Look at poor kicked puppy Solas and Lavellan!  Don't you want them to be happy?"

[jawsisinmywc]

This was similar to my first play through. I was human and decided to romance Blackwall, which completely blinded me to all the clues about him, but by the time we got to the bar scene, I had this weird creepy feeling and didn't go back to the barn with him. Boy was I surprised! And angry, man I was pissed off. It drove my Trev straight into Cullen's arms. But the whole time, I was talking to Solas and finding him fascinating in a scholarly, fade nerd kind of way. I dig nerds, but my first instinct is to go for the scruffy *******, it's a personal flaw.

 

So yeah, after I recovered from the stinger (well, managed to catch my breath at least) I knew I had to play again, romancing Solas, because, holy ****, how did I miss that? And sure enough, if you're paying attention, there are sooo many clues, at least that he's not quite who he says he is. Now there's no going back for me. Team Solas all the way. Funny how I got so pissed at Blackwall for being a lying bastard and with Solas it's just sweet agony and hoping he comes back. I'm pretty sure Bioware put that particular parallel in the game on purpose. I'm convinced they are doing psychological studies on us.

I have thought about and am still thinking about the whole Blackwell issue and my love for Solas a lot. I really really don't like Blackwell. He wasn't that interesting to me in the first place and before I played I thought I would romance him in like my 9th playthrough. But then his true colors were shown and I started to just despise him and never want to romance him. I find him so disgusting and I usually have a thing for men with beards. I still always recruit him, but whenever he talks I just start screaming "LIAR" at my screen and my poor screen really doesn't deserve that. That being said, why I am more than forgiving when it comes to Solas. He lies about something quite big, has plans to do something apparently horrible in the future, and already did something quite bad (give the orb to Cornflakes), but why do I still think he is just the greatest thing?

I have since calmed down and have a bit more compassion when it comes to Blackwall now, because otherwise I would be somewhat of a hypocrite, but I still can't pinpoint why Solas was inherently "good" in my book and Blackwall "bad".

[Illyria]

I'm still wavering between the two.  I love Alistair and my Warden to bits.  But at this point, my crazy fangirl brain is saying, "But they had a good decade together!  Look at poor kicked puppy Solas and Lavellan!  Don't you want them to be happy?"

 

I need my Solas/Lavellan to be happy.  Alistair and Hawke either die or vanish so both Surana and Fenris are left heartbroken.  I need my happy Solavellan.

[Elven_Glory]

By the time this posts, the convo will have probably changed. :lol:I have all sorts of gripes and defensive qualifiers, when it comes to Solas. @Avejejed, brought up the real world aspect of the ex-mobster boyfriend, as a comparison, even when real world comparisons often don't completely fit. This was not a bad illustration though, and one that does give food for thought.The main issue I personally have when analyzing a character like this, is the limitations that the game mechanics have, when doing so. Because BW games are more story heavy, and the story does have a mostly linear path, we have time constraints built in to the game. The game is not a reflection of a "neverending story"; it has limits. I can play Dragon's Dogma and Skyrim for more hours than I should ever admit to, and not finish the story. The game appeals to many different types of game play. But a BW game, tries to steer you back to the story. A story that will ultimately conclude (well, to a certain degree).So what is my point to this rambling. I suppose it is simply that unlike real life, where we can continue to pursue and pester for answers, the game says "here are all the questions your character is allowed to ask. And these are all the answers we are willing to give you." (at least at this time). How many times have you talked to your monitor or TV screen as questions flash in your head? How many instances have you yelled, "BUT!........"? More than likely, many times more than the game allows you to act upon.Now with that aimless train of thought concluded, I will add two of my own personal analyses.First, the "humanizing" of Solas. (putting the word in quotes, since we the game has other races, but I think everyone gets the idea ). Banters among the companions and Solas, seem to start one way, and alter as time goes on. Not in all cases, mind you, but in many. Take the ongoing discussion between Varric and Solas, regarding the lone man on an island, living his life, drinking his "fermented fruit juice". By the conclusion of that exchange, Solas somewhat concedes to Varric's reasoning. Regardless of whether he would feel the same way as the man on the island, Solas now can fathom how one could still find a life of meaning or at least contentment, because it IS life. Living.The reactions of Sera to Solas' suggestions, could be considered another good example. Unfortunately, I have not had all them fire (and it has been some time since I played the YT of those banters). But, I still take from that that he begins to see once again, from Sera's perspective it is about living. Being alive. Enjoying the simple things. He may believe she is missing the bigger picture, but to her, he is missing the little things that make life worth living.When we finally get to IB's convos with Solas, if your PC had him save the chargers, we nearly see these lessons in action. Yes, Solas is revealing other aspects of himself (or what we may assume his former self was, or things he intends to do.....??), during such things as the chess match, but I also see him apply some of the elements he has taken to heart through his interactions with the rest of the "pack". What the writers intend to do with all of this potential "humanizing" is yet to be revealed. Hopefully something amazing.My second line of thought, is in regards to how he views his plans. Whatever they were or are to become. This may end up sounding incongruous to what I stated above regarding lessons he may have learned, but bear with me.I don't claim to have any real idea on what he had hoped would happen before taking his nap, nor his plans now. But one thing that strikes me, is that he does have a somewhat fatalistic view about "what must be done". I can not but help thinking of The Operative (Chiwetel Ejiofor) in Serenity. When Mal questions this "ideal" universe that The Operative is doing his part to help create, he states that he would not live in such a world. There is no place for a man such as him. He has reduced himself to a necessary evil, a tool, and accepts that. This may be the very thing that Solas sees of himself, hence why dying alone appears to be his biggest fear. Even if one accepts such a role, doesn't mean it makes them happy, or without fears. Their goals just outweigh them (though, I would say that The Operative is in fact a sociopath of great intelligence, and therefore in a much better position to put aside his own fears/feelings, if he has them). Solas clearly does have fears and feelings though. And now with his time in the Inquisition, he may have new viewpoints to consider (this is where the humanizing may have influence...again, so I hope).It is quite possible that I have read into things incorrectly, or am seeing more than I should. I still get amazed at how many bits and pieces of dialogue, banter amongst the companions, and codices I missed in previous play throughs, only to discover later. By the time DLC comes out, it will be interesting if some of my ideas on these matters will change. I'm always willing to amend my thoughts and ideas, as new information is revealed. :)TL;DRBlah, blah, yada-yada.....game limitations, humanizing, not fit to live in this perceived utopia.

  

Same. I don't want anyone to think I dislike Solas. I know we have very protective people here and I'd hate to be forced to the Abelas thread like Liz was. I just want to know the facts before I make any hasty judgments on his character or intent. I don't think he's as blameless and pure as the rose-colored glasses of this thread make him out to be.

I didn't get the feeling that either one of you disliked Solas or were trying to degrade him in any way. I think you make excellent points that should be taken into consideration. Of course Solas is not all rainbows and butterflies. Of course he is morally ambiguous (so am I. That's one of the things I like about him as a character.) And it was definitely unfair for Liz to be pushed into the Abalas group.

I would just like to verify, though, that it is not my glasses that are rose colored. Not that I believe you were implying it was I, but I do know I tend to play up the more positive aspects of being Solas while trying to ignore some of his darker shades. That is not due to not being able to see them, however. At least for me. This comes from someone who has, through the years, developed the understanding that how you choose to see someone sometimes says more about you than it does about them. Solas is one of the grayest characters in all of Thedas, and to be honest, we really don't know much about him. For all he says, in game, he rarely talks about himself, and when he does, even that is vague and... sometimes not even really about him. He is secretive, sneaky, coniving... and from what we know of Fen'Harel, Solas is a pretty shady guy. Achieving his goals at any cost. Making the same mistakes over in different ways... and yet, he's perfectly likable for some reason. Of course, a sociopath is also often perfectly likable, but as Solas seems to express genuine feelings with regard to other people-- the Inquisitor, Cole, Cassandra, etc... we can assume that Solas is not a sociopath. Where was I going with this?

Oh. I maintain that it is not my glasses that are rose colored, but my paint. With so many things stacked against him, I feel like it is important to point out as a reminder that Solas has good qualities, too. So often people get so wrapped up in all the darkness in the world, that they forget there is also light. If we only discuss all the mistakes that Solas is making, can we really be expected to remember the things that he did right? I, for one, want to hold out hope that some day, when we figure out exactly what the **** is going on, we will find out that in the grand scheme of things, for all his ****-up-ery, Solas is maybe not so bad. I don't want to discount all the **** he has ever done, but I don't want to discount his potential, either.

[Colonelkillabee]

OG or 2 or 3(grrrr)?   Ok wait, I liked 3's rusty space belt but then when you are down on the planet...zzzzzz.  OG was TERRIFYING. So claustrophobic. 

Is OG original game? If so, I found the original much scarier than the other two, but 3 had the best gameplay. Two was a balance of both and is my favorite personally. The introduction of the hunter guys... awesome.

 

But nothing beats being constantly stalked by the Regenerator dude. Having to move those stupid boxes or whatever out the way while he was right behind you...

 

**** you, EA.

[Illyria]

Same. I don't want anyone to think I dislike Solas. I know we have very protective people here and I'd hate to be forced to the Abelas thread like Liz was. I just want to know the facts before I make any hasty judgments on his character or intent. I don't think he's as blameless and pure as the rose-colored glasses of this thread make him out to be.

 

*worries intensley that my joking argument was one of the things that drove Liz away*