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[Avejajed]

I think in general handing your one-of-a-kind ancient elven artifact that holds immense power to someone else before the fourth date to be a terrible mistake.
Which to me, suggests there's some kind of time pressure going on with Solas. That he has to get the Orb powered up, and fast.

End of the world rituals (in my vast experience) are always on specific dates. Fourth blood moon in August, second Eclipse of the fifth year when the leaves are gold between the hours of six and two, daybreak, as the first sliver of the sun casts a shadow on the first silver crocus in April.

Nonsensical **** like that.

[Colonelkillabee]

End of the world rituals (in my vast experience) are always on specific dates. Fourth blood moon in August, second Eclipse of the fifth year when the leaves are gold between the hours of six and two, daybreak, as the first sliver of the sun casts a shadow on the first silver crocus in April.

Nonsensical **** like that.

You forgot the virgin sacrifices.

[Caddius]

Here's a thought exercise.  I think we can all agree that giving the orb to Cory was NOT GOOD.

 

What would have happened if Solas *hadn't* given the orb to Cory?

 

No explosion, right?  Right.  Would the mages and templars have stopped their war?  Maybe.  If yes, no Inquisition.  If no, Inquisition gets formed with Divine Justinia backing it to stop the mages and templars - at least so Cassandra implies.

 

Cory doesn't just disappear.  He's still planning to take over and make himself a god.  He has the Venatori.  He has the red lyrium.  He probably even has the Grey Wardens.  Most likely, he's STILL planning on assassinating Empress Celene and invading with a demon army.  He doesn't NEED the orb for any of that.  What does he need the orb for?  Entering the Fade.  What does he do without the orb?  Looks for alternate ways to get there.

 

Without the explosion at the Conclave, no one knows what Cory is up to.  No one even knows Cory exists.  Cory is pretty much free to do whatever because no one is trying to stop him.

 

Obviously a great deal of this is conjecture, which is why it's an exercise in thought.

 

So, what does everyone else think Cory would have done without the orb?

He might have gone after elven ruins, but he wouldn't know about the Temple of Mythal or the Well, as he gets that knowledge from the Orb.

He probably would have played it low-key, maybe built up the Venatori to re-do the ritual that sent them into the Fade. Though I got the impression each of the Seven Magisters contributed their own gods' secrets to the rituals, and they strained themselves to make the ritual work without revealing too much of their own knowledge.

Hmm. Part of the Mage-Templar conflict's worsening is because all of the people willing to parley were crispy-crittered. But it's left ambiguous as to whether either side was willing to concede anything. I think the Inquisition would have formed with the advisors and Cassandra, with Justinia at its head, and there would have been some zaniness. Meanwhile, Corypheus can probably still get Nightmare on his side to go through with the Warden plan, but the Inquisition doesn't have the impetus to head after them.

Really, pre-game and end-game, Corypheus would have been served so much better by working from the shadows.

*glances at rumors of centuries of blood magic influencing the Grey Wardens at Weisshaupt from Last Flight*

*shrugs* 

[BoscoBread]

Next time I bump into Abelas during the endgame, the discrepancy between his actual face and your profile picture will give me whiplash.

That's his "I just spotted some Lavellan booty" face. 

[Cecilia]

Here's a thought exercise.  I think we can all agree that giving the orb to Cory was NOT GOOD.

 

What would have happened if Solas *hadn't* given the orb to Cory?

 

No explosion, right?  Right.  Would the mages and templars have stopped their war?  Maybe.  If yes, no Inquisition.  If no, Inquisition gets formed with Divine Justinia backing it to stop the mages and templars - at least so Cassandra implies.

 

Cory doesn't just disappear.  He's still planning to take over and make himself a god.  He has the Venatori.  He has the red lyrium.  He probably even has the Grey Wardens.  Most likely, he's STILL planning on assassinating Empress Celene and invading with a demon army.  He doesn't NEED the orb for any of that.  What does he need the orb for?  Entering the Fade.  What does he do without the orb?  Looks for alternate ways to get there.

 

Without the explosion at the Conclave, no one knows what Cory is up to.  No one even knows Cory exists.  Cory is pretty much free to do whatever because no one is trying to stop him.

 

Obviously a great deal of this is conjecture, which is why it's an exercise in thought.

 

So, what does everyone else think Cory would have done without the orb?

 

Theoretically - he would probably jump straight to the Arbor Wilds phase of his experiment (assuming that still works without the orb - honestly, we don't know if any of his plans to re-enter the Fade will work without the orb) 

 

But I think the correct answer would be more akin to - getting the orb put evil thought-babies into Cory's head and made him decide that just plain taking over the world was so last age. 

[Mims]

So, what does everyone else think Cory would have done without the orb?

 

Without the orb Corypheus would probably continue to amass followers. It does not seem like the orb itself is what got him acolytes. He would have men continue to harvest red lyrium, and he'd probably still be working on that demon army on the side. As his organization grew, he would have more and more potential sacrifices to recreate the blood ritual that originally got him into the black city. He'd probably need a lot of bodies, since originally it took [12?] magisters to get in there. 

 

But with some extra time, effort, and probably a few particularly apt Tevinter mages- I don't doubt that Corypheus would have at least accomplished some of his goals with or without the orb. 

[Siha]

Is the cassandra thread drama still ripe for the picking or has it already gotten soft?

 

A Cassandra bi mod? Oh come on, that will never grow soft. Poke them with a stick and they start scratching their eyes out again.

(Don't make it all that bad though, I do like some of the guys there.)

[Elessara]

He might have gone after elven ruins, but he wouldn't know about the Temple of Mythal or the Well, as he gets that knowledge from the Orb.

He probably would have played it low-key, maybe built up the Venatori to re-do the ritual that sent them into the Fade. Though I got the impression each of the Seven Magisters contributed their own gods' secrets to the rituals, and they strained themselves to make the ritual work without revealing too much of their own knowledge.

Hmm. Part of the Mage-Templar conflict's worsening is because all of the people willing to parley were crispy-crittered. But it's left ambiguous as to whether either side was willing to concede anything. I think the Inquisition would have formed with the advisors and Cassandra, with Justinia at its head, and there would have been some zaniness. Meanwhile, Corypheus can probably still get Nightmare on his side to go through with the Warden plan, but the Inquisition doesn't have the impetus to head after them.

Really, pre-game and end-game, Corypheus would have been served so much better by working from the shadows.

*glances at rumors of centuries of blood magic influencing the Grey Wardens at Weisshaupt from Last Flight*

*shrugs* 

 

Actually we don't know how Cory found out about the Temple of Mythal.  From in game conversations with Leliana, we know Cory has been ransacking elven ruins left and right.

 

And yeah a big part of Cory's problem was his grandstanding.  He just *had* to use the Divine as the sacrifice and he just *had* to do it in the Temple of Sacred Ashes.  To prove a point.  Idiot.

[Mims]

You forgot the virgin sacrifices.

 

Imshael says the market is dry on virgins! Except Cole. He is our unicorn. 

[Illyria]

"Should we ask Solas about his shady antics? No, no. That would be rude." 

 

Leliana: Should I ask Blackwall why the information he gave me about his actions during the Blight don't match up with the transcript of the speech he made that is sitting a few feet away from my desk?  Hmmm, no.  I think I wont.

[Cecilia]

Actually we don't know how Cory found out about the Temple of Mythal.  From in game conversations with Leliana, we know Cory has been ransacking elven ruins left and right.

 

And yeah a big part of Cory's problem was his grandstanding.  He just *had* to use the Divine as the sacrifice and he just *had* to do it in the Temple of Sacred Ashes.  To prove a point.  Idiot.

 

Well~ with a name like Corypheus you have to live up to the requisite fireworks 

[Avejajed]

Imshael says the market is dry on virgins! Except Cole. He is our unicorn.

I probably shouldn't mention how Cole is also a murderer, then? Heh.

(Before anyone loses their mind: "But Cole didn't know. He thought he was helping. It doesnt count." There. Did it for you.)

[Mims]

I probably shouldn't mention how Cole is also a murderer, then? Heh.

(Before anyone loses their mind: "But Cole didn't know. He thought he was helping. It doesnt count." There. Did it for you.)

 

Anyone who has played Oblivion knows that sometimes, unicorns just want to kill people. 

[Caddius]

Actually we don't know how Cory found out about the Temple of Mythal.  From in game conversations with Leliana, we know Cory has been ransacking elven ruins left and right.

 

And yeah a big part of Cory's problem was his grandstanding.  He just *had* to use the Divine as the sacrifice and he just *had* to do it in the Temple of Sacred Ashes.  To prove a point.  Idiot.

http://dragonage.wik..._Sentinel_Elves

Admittedly I'm making a bit of an assumption, but here Corypheus seems to imply that he's gotten his elf knoweldge from the Orb.

I dunno. I just don't see the Well of Sorrows as something that Mythal is happy to spread knowledge about. While all of the gods may have had such tools for their priesthood, I don't think they would let that knowledge be put up in a painting in a tomb under the Western Approach, y'know?

[Colonelkillabee]

Imshael says the market is dry on virgins! Except Cole. He is our unicorn. 

Imshael is such a troll I swear. Virgins are overrated anyway. Still, what a tease.

[Colonelkillabee]

Anyone who has played Oblivion knows that sometimes, unicorns just want to kill people. 

*High Five*

[Avejajed]

Imshael is such a troll I swear. Virgins are overrated anyway. Still, what a tease.

I asked for the virgins too.

[Illyria]

I probably shouldn't mention how Cole is also a murderer, then? Heh.

(Before anyone loses their mind: "But Cole didn't know. He thought he was helping. It doesnt count." There. Did it for you.)

 

Telling Cole you think he's a murderer and what he did was totally wrong gets you a lot of approval from him!

[Cecilia]

Imshael is such a troll I swear. Virgins are overrated anyway. Still, what a tease.

 

Who needs virgins when killing Imshael gives you Michel de Chevin anyways hot, blond, good with a sword~ (he's the Abelas to Solas' Cullen except Cullen never breaks your heart so you can just have both)

[Colonelkillabee]

I asked for the virgins too.

Haha, I actually didn't I just heard it was all BS on the forums. I was going to test it though.

 

(I don't have the sack to choose that option in front of Cass )

[Mims]

Telling Cole you think he's a murderer and what he did was totally wrong gets you a lot of approval from him!

 

Man, half of this party is rolling on the ground in self loathing. We are the worst Inquisition eeever. 

[Colonelkillabee]

Who needs virgins when killing Imshael gives you Michel de Chevin anyways hot, blond, good with a sword~ (he's the Abelas to Solas' Cullen except Cullen never breaks your heart so you can just have both)

I don't really like that tool, tbh. At all.

 

Admittedly what Blackwall did was worse than what Chevin did in the alienage, so I can forgive Michel since he at least tries to correct his mistake. But, he's chevalier, orlesian, killed his mother's people for a spot with those knobs, and thus I reserve the right to be a hypocrite and say **** him.

[Cecilia]

Man, half of this party is rolling on the ground in self loathing. We are the worst Inquisition eeever. 

 

It's okay~ Viv has enough self-esteem and natural arrogance to make up for Cole, Blackwall, and Cullen!

[Illyria]

Man, half of this party is rolling on the ground in self loathing. We are the worst Inquisition eeever. 

 

I honestly thought picking that dialouge would lead to a kicked puppy response from Cole, but I did it anyway because I wasn't going to coddle characters just to get approval.

 

I think him agreeing is even worse.

[Illyria]

Who needs virgins when killing Imshael gives you Michel de Chevin anyways hot, blond, good with a sword~ (he's the Abelas to Solas' Cullen except Cullen never breaks your heart so you can just have both)

 

...

 

I was tempted to take Imshael's offer because that would lead to Michel's death.

 

I had just spent the entire of The Masked Empire wanting to punch the man.