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I have been stung a few times in my life so I know I wouldn't be brave enough to do so!

The last time I was stung was quite a while ago (Pretty sure I was still a teen).  Didn't even know the bee was there until it felt like my eyelid was on fire.  The bee stung me less than a centimeter from my eyeball, I had to pull it off my eyelid!  Dear God the pain!

 

I've never been stung but I'm terrified~ We have a bit of a yellow jacket problem around campus in the spring and I can't even sometimes. But bumblebees look so fuzzy and adorable I wish they weren't so scary



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"You did it to save them."

Oh Cole. How right you were.

Naturally I run out of likes just as I catch up.  :lol:

*4 new replies added*
...DAMN YOU ALL!

 

Anyways, going off the earlier question about whether Tevinter was a power when Solas was around: I very much think so. :) Just not the Imperium.

Humans arrive 4500 years after Arlathan in the Neromenian Migration.

The Old Gods are said to teach the Dreamers of the Neromenians magic 300 years after the initial Migration.

385 years later from that, the Alamarri flee their shadow goddess.

Six hundred years after the Alamarri, the Avvar split-up. If Liz's interpretation of Tyrdda Bright-Axe is correct, and I'm inclined to believe that it is, Mythal and Dirthamen are both active, and Arlathan faces dangers from its own gods. It is 5785 years since the founding of Arlathan.

115 years after Tyrdda, the Neromenian tribes form the four ancient kingdoms in modern-day Tevinter: Tevinter, Neromenian, Barindur, and Qarinus.

Thalsian, First Priest of Dumat, wields blood magic a 105 years after the kingdoms form. Other sources point to elves captured.

400 years after Thalsian, the Tevinter Imperium is formed when Darinius unites the four kingdoms and creates an alliance with the dwarves. 

214 years of the Imperium later, the Arlathan conflict begins, leading to its fall after six years of warfare and siege.

 

Solas makes enough comments about Tevinter getting elven legends mixed up and taking magic from the elves, with a "Oh my God it's been eons and they're still doing the same crap. Ugh. The only original thing they've invented is this tea crap."

He also seems a little too familiar with the tale of the shadow goddess. I suspect he observed the situation from the Fade or even in person. Or he was hunting for memories of the glory days, experiencing stories that had slipped past him.

Solas speaks of Barindur buried beneath ash. While one of the original kingdoms, it seems a volcano was involved. The Neromenians blamed Dumat's wrath. Madrar blames Elgar'nan, stamping out an attempted rebellion by one of the gods, Thelm Gold-Handed style. It is of course entirely possible that it was just a volcano.

 

So my guess is that the Chaotic Civil War era, with the gods directly involved, was going strong at the time of the Alamarri split. However, the Alamarri were unsuccessful in their attempt.

It seems likely to me that Solas was there and awake for the beginnings of Tevinter's rise. Namely, that of a junior kingdom. The Creators likely were happy to manipulate this new group of people, but became involved in their own conflicts once more. The Old Gods whispering from the Golden City could well be the Creators doing a rehash of raising the Elvhen up, assuming you're a fan of those theories. The Tevinter slowly began to learn more and more from their neighbors, before invading after the loss of the gods and centuries of entropy.

I would guess that the gods being sealed away happened somewhere between Thalsian and Darinius uniting the Imperium, going off the idea of the Creators being the Old Gods and whispering from the Fade. Blood magic being the sealed Creators getting desperate, and a potential rival kingdom on Arlathan's borders uniting all of his neighbors under one flag is not the sort of thing gods would tolerate.

But the potential for fascinating conflict with the gods using humanity, specifically the organized kingdoms in Tevinter, as weapons against their fellows is really my main interest in this.  ^_^

Side-note: I've spent my morning reading up on the Bronze Age Collapse and the theories on the Sea People. THIS IS MY NEW JAM. I MUST KNOW ALL OF THE THINGS.

"Sadly, it seems the Sea People will remain largely enigmatic."

*prepares to throw book out the window in a rage*

"Next up, Persia and Zoroastrianism."

*grudgingly lowers book and continues reading*  <_<


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One of my friends is currently playing DA2 and he is asking me a lot of questions about the elven pantheon and I have to LIE to him like we were lied to about Solas before DAI's release. "Oh, the Creators? Yes, they are the benevolent gods. Fen'Harel is baaaaaaaaaaaaaad."

Thankfully he can't see my face
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Old pic of a 15-day old pile of rat babies!:

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Rat babies.

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#79580
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Solas is amused.
Omg why is this making me laugh.

 

Because he has the most wonderful smile in the whole universe?  Also because he doesn't smile or laugh nearly as often as he should, the BUTT.


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Because he has the most wonderful smile in the whole universe?  Also because he doesn't smile or laugh nearly as often as he should, the BUTT.

 

The DLC will fix this! It will! :crying:


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Oh, since some were talking about PAX & Dragon Age, made me think about the fact that GDC is coming soon, and that there will be a conference about the technical and narrative aspects of Dragon Age: Inquisition. Can't wait to watch it!

(more info there : http://schedule.gdco...age-inquisition )

 

Also : Never been stung by bees ever. Hornets, on the other hand, are real bastards. And I hate wasps with a passion. I enjoy annihilating wasps nests, way more than I should admit.

 

So Kaelin Lavallee is main narrative designer in Bioware? Coincidence much?


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The DLC will fix this! It will! :crying:

 

*waves tiny Team Optimism flag*

 

At this point I'm just dealing with it via a slew of happy AU headcanons for Solas and my Lavellan.  As much as I love speculating on what might come next in the official storyline, I don't wanna work out a headcanon for the actual game.  Mostly I don't want a repeat of the ME3 situation, where the ending that I wanted and imagined for the game was so different from what was actually there.  Part of that is, obviously, on me for building up something that the game could never possibly match.  So yeah.  Not doing that again for Solas and Lavellan.


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Naturally I run out of likes just as I catch up.  :lol:

*4 new replies added*
...DAMN YOU ALL!

 

Anyways, going off the earlier question about whether Tevinter was a power when Solas was around: I very much think so. :) Just not the Imperium.

Humans arrive 4500 years after Arlathan in the Neromenian Migration.

The Old Gods are said to teach the Dreamers of the Neromenians magic 300 years after the initial Migration.

385 years later from that, the Alamarri flee their shadow goddess.

Six hundred years after the Alamarri, the Avvar split-up. If Liz's interpretation of Tyrdda Bright-Axe is correct, and I'm inclined to believe that it is, Mythal and Dirthamen are both active, and Arlathan faces dangers from its own gods. It is 5785 years since the founding of Arlathan.

115 years after Tyrdda, the Neromenian tribes form the four ancient kingdoms in modern-day Tevinter: Tevinter, Neromenian, Barindur, and Qarinus.

Thalsian, First Priest of Dumat, wields blood magic a 105 years after the kingdoms form. Other sources point to elves captured.

400 years after Thalsian, the Tevinter Imperium is formed when Darinius unites the four kingdoms and creates an alliance with the dwarves. 

214 years of the Imperium later, the Arlathan conflict begins, leading to its fall after six years of warfare and siege.

 

Solas makes enough comments about Tevinter getting elven legends mixed up and taking magic from the elves, with a "Oh my God it's been eons and they're still doing the same crap. Ugh. The only original thing they've invented is this tea crap."

He also seems a little too familiar with the tale of the shadow goddess. I suspect he observed the situation from the Fade or even in person. Or he was hunting for memories of the glory days, experiencing stories that had slipped past him.

Solas speaks of Barindur buried beneath ash. While one of the original kingdoms, it seems a volcano was involved. The Neromenians blamed Dumat's wrath. Madrar blames Elgar'nan, stamping out an attempted rebellion by one of the gods, Thelm Gold-Handed style. It is of course entirely possible that it was just a volcano.

 

So my guess is that the Chaotic Civil War era, with the gods directly involved, was going strong at the time of the Alamarri split. However, the Alamarri were unsuccessful in their attempt.

It seems likely to me that Solas was there and awake for the beginnings of Tevinter's rise. Namely, that of a junior kingdom. The Creators likely were happy to manipulate this new group of people, but became involved in their own conflicts once more. The Old Gods whispering from the Golden City could well be the Creators doing a rehash of raising the Elvhen up, assuming you're a fan of those theories. The Tevinter slowly began to learn more and more from their neighbors, before invading after the loss of the gods and centuries of entropy.

I would guess that the gods being sealed away happened somewhere between Thalsian and Darinius uniting the Imperium, going off the idea of the Creators being the Old Gods and whispering from the Fade. Blood magic being the sealed Creators getting desperate, and a potential rival kingdom on Arlathan's borders uniting all of his neighbors under one flag is not the sort of thing gods would tolerate.

But the potential for fascinating conflict with the gods using humanity, specifically the organized kingdoms in Tevinter, as weapons against their fellows is really my main interest in this.  ^_^

Side-note: I've spent my morning reading up on the Bronze Age Collapse and the theories on the Sea People. THIS IS MY NEW JAM. I MUST KNOW ALL OF THE THINGS.

"Sadly, it seems the Sea People will remain largely enigmatic."

*prepares to throw book out the window in a rage*

"Next up, Persia and Zoroastrianism."

*grudgingly lowers book and continues reading*  <_<

 

Thank you so much... I need to read this again. 



#79585
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I've said this before in other places but I find Mike Laidlaw super sexy..


What.
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Solas makes enough comments about Tevinter getting elven legends mixed up and taking magic from the elves, with a "Oh my God it's been eons and they're still doing the same crap. Ugh. The only original thing they've invented is this tea crap."

 

....

 

But the potential for fascinating conflict with the gods using humanity, specifically the organized kingdoms in Tevinter, as weapons against their fellows is really my main interest in this.  ^_^

Side-note: I've spent my morning reading up on the Bronze Age Collapse and the theories on the Sea People. THIS IS MY NEW JAM. I MUST KNOW ALL OF THE THINGS.

"Sadly, it seems the Sea People will remain largely enigmatic."

*prepares to throw book out the window in a rage*

"Next up, Persia and Zoroastrianism."

*grudgingly lowers book and continues reading*  <_<

 

I can't like your comment twice so consider this a quote of approval :D

 

Ancient elven history is so fascinating partly because we know so little about it all. Gotta give credit to bioware, who else would have the restraint to invent such a comprehensive history and then refuse to share it with anyone? (assuming they did in fact come up with it all and they're not just making this up as they go along)

But seriously, the idea of the elvhen utilizing the humans for proxy wars is a great one, but oh so cruelly ironic given the state of modern elves.

 

And freaking Sea People. 


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Same friend who has not played DAI yet:

Friend: Damn, I hope we can free the Creators one day. Poor guys.
Friend: Look & imagine:

Spoiler

Friend: "Who put you down there?" "Fen'Hareeeeeel!" "And now that I set you free, what is the first thing you are going to do?" "Destroooy himmmm!"
Me: Haha, yes, serves you right, Fen'Harel!
Me, inside: *screams* NOOOOOOOOOOOOO


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Naturally I run out of likes just as I catch up. :lol:
*4 new replies added*
...DAMN YOU ALL!

Anyways, going off the earlier question about whether Tevinter was a power when Solas was around: I very much think so. :) Just not the Imperium.
Humans arrive 4500 years after Arlathan in the Neromenian Migration.
The Old Gods are said to teach the Dreamers of the Neromenians magic 300 years after the initial Migration.
385 years later from that, the Alamarri flee their shadow goddess.
Six hundred years after the Alamarri, the Avvar split-up. If Liz's interpretation of Tyrdda Bright-Axe is correct, and I'm inclined to believe that it is, Mythal and Dirthamen are both active, and Arlathan faces dangers from its own gods. It is 5785 years since the founding of Arlathan.
115 years after Tyrdda, the Neromenian tribes form the four ancient kingdoms in modern-day Tevinter: Tevinter, Neromenian, Barindur, and Qarinus.
Thalsian, First Priest of Dumat, wields blood magic a 105 years after the kingdoms form. Other sources point to elves captured.
400 years after Thalsian, the Tevinter Imperium is formed when Darinius unites the four kingdoms and creates an alliance with the dwarves.
214 years of the Imperium later, the Arlathan conflict begins, leading to its fall after six years of warfare and siege.

Solas makes enough comments about Tevinter getting elven legends mixed up and taking magic from the elves, with a "Oh my God it's been eons and they're still doing the same crap. Ugh. The only original thing they've invented is this tea crap."
He also seems a little too familiar with the tale of the shadow goddess. I suspect he observed the situation from the Fade or even in person. Or he was hunting for memories of the glory days, experiencing stories that had slipped past him.
Solas speaks of Barindur buried beneath ash. While one of the original kingdoms, it seems a volcano was involved. The Neromenians blamed Dumat's wrath. Madrar blames Elgar'nan, stamping out an attempted rebellion by one of the gods, Thelm Gold-Handed style. It is of course entirely possible that it was just a volcano.

So my guess is that the Chaotic Civil War era, with the gods directly involved, was going strong at the time of the Alamarri split. However, the Alamarri were unsuccessful in their attempt.
It seems likely to me that Solas was there and awake for the beginnings of Tevinter's rise. Namely, that of a junior kingdom. The Creators likely were happy to manipulate this new group of people, but became involved in their own conflicts once more. The Old Gods whispering from the Golden City could well be the Creators doing a rehash of raising the Elvhen up, assuming you're a fan of those theories. The Tevinter slowly began to learn more and more from their neighbors, before invading after the loss of the gods and centuries of entropy.
I would guess that the gods being sealed away happened somewhere between Thalsian and Darinius uniting the Imperium, going off the idea of the Creators being the Old Gods and whispering from the Fade. Blood magic being the sealed Creators getting desperate, and a potential rival kingdom on Arlathan's borders uniting all of his neighbors under one flag is not the sort of thing gods would tolerate.
But the potential for fascinating conflict with the gods using humanity, specifically the organized kingdoms in Tevinter, as weapons against their fellows is really my main interest in this. ^_^
Side-note: I've spent my morning reading up on the Bronze Age Collapse and the theories on the Sea People. THIS IS MY NEW JAM. I MUST KNOW ALL OF THE THINGS.
"Sadly, it seems the Sea People will remain largely enigmatic."
*prepares to throw book out the window in a rage*
"Next up, Persia and Zoroastrianism."
*grudgingly lowers book and continues reading* <_<


*thrown a book at Caddius*

*a big book*

*it demolishes wall of text*

*wins*
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*thrown a book at Caddius*

*a big book*

*it demolishes wall of text*

*wins*

It's poetic how a 'big book' would demolish a 'wall of text'. :o


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I've said this before in other places but I find Mike Laidlaw super sexy..


What.

 

I cuddled him once. True story. He came to London just before the launch of DAII and visited the offices of The Guardian, to give a little talk.

 

He is a very nice guy.


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Same friend who has not played DAI yet:

Friend: Damn, I hope we can free the Creators one day. Poor guys.
Friend: Look & imagine:

Spoiler

Friend: "Who put you down there?" "Fen'Hareeeeeel!" "And now that I set you free, what is the first thing you are going to do?" "Destroooy himmmm!"
Me: Haha, yes, serves you right, Fen'Harel!
Me, inside: *screams* NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

That poor sweet summer child.... <3 Are you going to make them do the Solas Romance? :D


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*thrown a book at Caddius*

*a big book*

*it demolishes wall of text*

*wins*

:(

Why you gotta be like that?

*goes to corner of shame*


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That poor sweet summer child.... <3 Are you going to make them do the Solas Romance? :D

 

Since we know better....who is actually Hades? Someone's gotta release dem Titans, after all.



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That poor sweet summer child.... <3 Are you going to make them do the Solas Romance? :D

 

Do eeeeeeeet.

 

We need company in the hellspiral of feels.  The more of us sobbing our eyes out, the...merrier?


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Since we know better....who is actually Hades? Someone's gotta release dem Titans, after all.

My guess is "whoever killed Felassan", since I'm not convinced it was Solas who did it. That leaves a wide range of suspects, I'm afraid. Personally, I'm hoping for Falon'din/Dirthamen as Hades, but with more glitter. :D


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:(

Why you gotta be like that?

*goes to corner of shame*

 

Don't worry, she just had a bad day.

Walls of text are cool. Books are cool. We cool. Everything's cool.

Here, have some kittens, the both of you.

 

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#79597
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That poor sweet summer child.... <3 Are you going to make them do the Solas Romance? :D

I don't think he'll do the Solas romance (my bet is on Josie for him). BUT I know he'll LOVE Solas as a character, so he'll be as shaken as us when he'll discover the truth :)! And he'll forgive my lies (though I think I did win the "Hypocrisy for the Greater Good" achievement tonight) :P


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I know what you mean. I know next to nothing about Dirthamen but in my head he's already a whole slew of fascinating character traits wrapped up in mystery and terror. I get the feeling we're setting Bioware up to fail. 

 

Then again I was completely wrong about FenHarel and I couldn't be happier with how that turned out so maybe not all hope is lost?

 

 

*slinks in*

 

Hmm..How did my fanart get in here? Oh well... :whistle:


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*thrown a book at Caddius*

*a big book*

*it demolishes wall of text*

*wins*

 

 

:(

Why you gotta be like that?

*goes to corner of shame*

Ahaha, this made me giggle.

 

There there buddy. I've got booze. Come drink your feels away. It's Honing-brew Mead. Sweeter than a fair maiden's teets in a spring breeze.


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My guess is "whoever killed Felassan", since I'm not convinced it was Solas who did it. That leaves a wide range of suspects, I'm afraid. Personally, I'm hoping for Falon'din/Dirthamen as Hades, but with more glitter. :D

You know, I just thought of something.

 

The elven gods are trapped somewhere, right? We don't know if they are conscious or not, but they're probably still located in an area where they can access the Fade. There is one in particular who is the most adept at navigating the Fade, probably does creepy things to dead bodies, AND has a "twin soul" who is the master of secrets.

Falon'Din and Dirthamen would be the elven gods most likely to find a way to escape, or at least bend the rules, their entrapment. As Dreamers, they could go into people's minds while they were dreaming and influence their actions. If powerful enough, he could possibly mind control a person via their connection to the Fade. Dirthamen, if he was a secret keeper worth his salt, would surely know of secret paths or have passing knowledge that would be of use to his twin.

 

And how about dem ravens, or dat owl that are servants of these gods? The other gods don't seem to have special animal servants, despite each of them having a favored animal. The ones Dirthamen and Falon'Din have the loyalty of seem to be powerful or unique enough to  be specially mentioned. Are they merely part of their "story," or do they have actual significance when it comes to their relationship with their masters?


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